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2012-10-05 08:58:12 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-05 09:00:26 AM
i73.photobucket.com

how convenient
 
2012-10-05 09:03:09 AM
Instagreen! Too bad I have stuff to do today and can't spend the whole day watching the meltdown.
 
2012-10-05 09:05:22 AM
/In before "Obama bragging about 0.2% while millions unemployed"

This'll do nicely.
 
2012-10-05 09:06:09 AM
Romney recovery?
 
2012-10-05 09:06:51 AM

gilgigamesh: Instagreen! Too bad I have stuff to do today and can't spend the whole day watching the meltdown.


hey, I was gifted a month subscription. Still feeling my way around total fark. How can you tell instagreen?
 
2012-10-05 09:07:50 AM
doh! would it be the green writing of the headline? or dark green writing...
 
2012-10-05 09:08:06 AM
So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.
 
2012-10-05 09:08:30 AM
That many joined the "not trying to find a job anymore' rolls?
 
2012-10-05 09:08:35 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: gilgigamesh: Instagreen! Too bad I have stuff to do today and can't spend the whole day watching the meltdown.

hey, I was gifted a month subscription. Still feeling my way around total fark. How can you tell instagreen?


The fresh smell and tender shoots.
 
2012-10-05 09:08:59 AM
When the U3 numbers start looking good, it's time to compare U6 numbers under Obama to U3 numbers under Bush.
 
2012-10-05 09:09:05 AM
Businesses started hiring once they saw how well Romney did in the debate.

/figured I'd beat the derp to the punch
 
2012-10-05 09:09:11 AM
EVERYBODY KNEW the number would be below 8% by the election.

Anyone that believes this report is an idiot.
 
2012-10-05 09:09:22 AM
0bama's reaction to this anti-colonial pro-Socialist news

www.animateit.net
 
2012-10-05 09:09:30 AM
This is good news for sure. I work at a fulfillment center for an online retailer and we've actually just added quite a few new jobs, most of them temp-to-hire, so it's not just a seasonal bump. We're also opening a new warehouse with hundreds of new jobs there as well.

Unfortunately, Obama did botch the debate so our shrills are back in full force.
 
2012-10-05 09:09:37 AM

The Muthaship: That many joined the "not trying to find a job anymore' rolls?


None, apparently. In fact that number dropped. Massive revisions to previous numbers.
 
2012-10-05 09:09:55 AM
I am sure conservatives are going to find a way to tie this to abortion....and sponsor a bill that both raised the unemployment rate and provides for new items to be inserted in to womens' whoo-hoos.

Win/Win!
 
2012-10-05 09:10:04 AM
that's no counting the under employed, the people who stopped looking, college students, part time workers, people who hate their bosses, children, elderly or the dead. the real unemployment rate is 453%

Damn you Obama!
 
2012-10-05 09:10:12 AM

barneyfifesbullet: EVERYBODY KNEW the number would be below 8% by the election.

Anyone that believes this report is an idiot.


www.theclevelandfan.com
 
2012-10-05 09:10:22 AM
This is bad news...for Obama.


No wait, for Rmoney.
 
2012-10-05 09:10:25 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: gilgigamesh: Instagreen! Too bad I have stuff to do today and can't spend the whole day watching the meltdown.

hey, I was gifted a month subscription. Still feeling my way around total fark. How can you tell instagreen?


Bold green links are ones that already appear on the main site, unbolded green ones are going to post, but haven't yet. I think. I'm kinda new here myself...
 
2012-10-05 09:10:28 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: doh! would it be the green writing of the headline? or dark green writing...


You really tried, didn't you?

http://www.fark.com/farq/totalfark/#TotalFark_Only_Questions
 
2012-10-05 09:11:01 AM

GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.


I completely concur. I'm relieved too. The MSM saying Mittens won the debate because he bullshiated the best was surreal. Romney even quoted the GOP mantra during the first debate: Repeat the lies over and over again until they believe the lies.
 
2012-10-05 09:11:20 AM

barneyfifesbullet: EVERYBODY KNEW the number would be below 8% by the election.

Anyone that believes this report is an idiot.


3/10. No request for Birth Certificate or link to conspiracy site.
 
2012-10-05 09:11:34 AM
This is just Job Creators™ reacting to the inevitable Romney presidency.
 
2012-10-05 09:11:42 AM
Kick everyone off of Unemployment and then we can claim unemployment is ZERO!!!
 
2012-10-05 09:12:05 AM
Time to start selling your scrap gold
 
2012-10-05 09:12:19 AM

James!: Romney recovery?


Well done. The transition from the Bush Recovery to the Romney Recovery over the summer was surprising gradual.
 
2012-10-05 09:12:40 AM

August revised upward from +96K to +142K, best August since 2006.

July revised upward from +141K to +181K.

U.S. jobless rate at 44-month low.

Labor force participation rate up 0.1%. Employment population ratio up 0.4%. U-5 down 0.3%. U-2 down 0.3%.

Also, Jack Welch is an idiot.

Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can't debate so change numbers

- Jack Welch (@jack_welch) October 5, 2012
 
2012-10-05 09:12:45 AM

AirForceVet: GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.

I completely concur. I'm relieved too. The MSM saying Mittens won the debate because he bullshiated the best was surreal. Romney even quoted the GOP mantra during the first debate: Repeat the lies over and over again until they believe the lies.


Like the lie that 7.8% is lower than 7.6%?
 
2012-10-05 09:12:46 AM
Not enough jobs are being produced to put a dent in the unemployment numbers, so this is actually an indicator of something worse - in the past month, thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a job and just stopped trying.
 
2012-10-05 09:12:51 AM
Ah the same exact time when companies hire temp holiday staff, just wait till the turn of the year to hear the news scream "Unemployment skyrocketed!!!"
 
2012-10-05 09:12:52 AM

Tomahawk513: barneyfifesbullet: EVERYBODY KNEW the number would be below 8% by the election.

Anyone that believes this report is an idiot.

3/10. No request for Birth Certificate or link to conspiracy site.


He'll get there, don't worry.
 
2012-10-05 09:13:29 AM

barneyfifesbullet: EVERYBODY KNEW the number would be below 8% by the election.

Anyone that believes this report is an idiot.


Why do you hate America?
 
2012-10-05 09:13:30 AM

GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.


They can fall back on the other economic indicators though. Where are Hugram's charts again?
 
2012-10-05 09:13:31 AM
That slapping sound is Romney's face getting hit with 12 inches of limp dick.
 
2012-10-05 09:13:31 AM

mrshowrules: James!: Romney recovery?

Well done. The transition from the Bush Recovery to the Romney Recovery over the summer was surprising gradual.



The Obamadepression is finally behind us.  Praise Reagan.
 
2012-10-05 09:14:08 AM
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaters assemble! Hi haters. Hi.
 
2012-10-05 09:14:29 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Not enough jobs are being produced to put a dent in the unemployment numbers, so this is actually an indicator of something worse - in the past month, thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a job and just stopped trying.


Know how I know you DRTFA?
 
2012-10-05 09:14:35 AM

david_gaithersburg: Kick everyone off of Unemployment and then we can claim unemployment is ZERO!!!


i3.kym-cdn.com

U3 DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!
 
2012-10-05 09:14:37 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Not enough jobs are being produced to put a dent in the unemployment numbers, so this is actually an indicator of something worse - in the past month, thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a job and just stopped trying.


Yeah.

+114,000 jobs added doesn't keep up with population growth.
 
2012-10-05 09:14:40 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Not enough jobs are being produced to put a dent in the unemployment numbers, so this is actually an indicator of something worse - in the past month, thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a job and just stopped trying.


Um, you may want to double check Dusk's post a couple of entries above yours. Labor force participation is actually up.

Still, even if you're right in the end, 9/10 people only care what the top line number is - not what the math is behind it.
 
2012-10-05 09:14:46 AM
Looks like the white house is doing some serious book cooking since the disaster of the debate.
 
2012-10-05 09:14:53 AM

rocketpants: TrainingWheelsNeeded: doh! would it be the green writing of the headline? or dark green writing...

You really tried, didn't you?

http://www.fark.com/farq/totalfark/#TotalFark_Only_Questions


ha! I bet you also look at directions when putting together children's toys and IKEA furniture!
 
2012-10-05 09:15:23 AM

greighwolf: Ah the same exact time when companies hire temp holiday staff, just wait till the turn of the year to hear the news scream "Unemployment skyrocketed!!!"


No, no. It's not the hiring of seasonal help, it's a great turn around! FOUR MORE YEARS!
 
2012-10-05 09:16:00 AM
cdn2.mamapop.com
 
2012-10-05 09:16:08 AM
healthkwest.guestengine.com

Where's Katherine Harris and Jeb? I'm sure they can help a brother out.
 
2012-10-05 09:16:18 AM
+/- 100,000 jobs
 
2012-10-05 09:16:33 AM

Spade: Pumpernickel bread: Not enough jobs are being produced to put a dent in the unemployment numbers, so this is actually an indicator of something worse - in the past month, thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a job and just stopped trying.

Yeah.

+114,000 jobs added doesn't keep up with population growth.


Yeah, that's likely the case. OTOH, though, there are 114K people out there getting paid to do something today, instead of collecting unemployment checks, so I'm happy.
 
2012-10-05 09:16:33 AM
As an America loving conservative, the fact that more people are working than before angers and infuriates me.
 
2012-10-05 09:16:49 AM

sprawl15: When the U3 numbers start looking good, it's time to compare U6 numbers under Obama to U3 numbers under Bush.


This. Wait for the comments about how everybody giving up and actually performing mass ritualistic suicide in preparation for the thousand years of darkness as the reason the U3 is so low.
 
2012-10-05 09:17:09 AM
Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
1/20/2001: 4.2%
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 85.71% increase

Obama
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 0.00% increase

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation when their budgets first took place

Bush
1/01/2002: 5.7%
12/31/2009: 9.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 73.68% increase

Obama
1/01/2010: 9.7%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 19.59% decrease
 
2012-10-05 09:17:12 AM
Wow, upon actually looking at the report these numbers really suck. They had to add restatements from prior months to the current month in order for it not to look like a complete disaster. The reality is that the current month was short the 200k jobs needed to keep up with the rate of new people entering the work force. But hey, keep chugging that kool aide my leftist friends.
 
2012-10-05 09:17:20 AM
Looking good for the second greatest Republican recession.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-05 09:17:39 AM

GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.


Well. the big dollar shills were estimating 8.2% all week. It comes in 0.4% lower! Ha. Good news for American workers.

On a personal note, we did a 20% staff increase and my son found work, so yeah, it's real to me.
 
2012-10-05 09:17:48 AM
I think that once enough people are convinced that Christmas season employment is the only work they are likely to get any time soon, and the only way their kids are going to see presents, suddenly taking a massive paycut to hop back into the workforce and unload boxes of Chinese goods at Walmart sounds pretty damn good.

For all you cheering right, will you be cursing Obama come January when the unemployment rate rises well above 8% again? Nah, you'll go back to mumbling about Bush again I'm sure, win or lose in November.
 
2012-10-05 09:17:49 AM

GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.


Which is why Republicans will say these are cooked numbers. Besides, everyone knows you're only allowed to compare the U3 of Bush to the U6 of Obama, because U6 is the real rate but wasn't a concern before the recession so don't look at where it was then.
 
2012-10-05 09:18:04 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: gilgigamesh: Instagreen! Too bad I have stuff to do today and can't spend the whole day watching the meltdown.

hey, I was gifted a month subscription. Still feeling my way around total fark. How can you tell instagreen?


Take a look at the time stamp at the top where it says it was posted to main on X. 9:06AM The picture of the bug up top was posted at 8:58. An 8 minute delay from thread inception to greenlighting isn't "instant" but it's damn close.
 
2012-10-05 09:18:10 AM

Summoner101: Businesses started hiring once they saw how well Romney did in the debate.

/figured I'd beat the derp to the punch


+1 but please don't feed this derp to the Freepers.
 
2012-10-05 09:18:19 AM

Aarontology: As an America loving conservative, the fact that more people are working than before angers and infuriates me.


Republicans seem to be the new "Blame America First" crowd, and it cracks my shiat up.
 
2012-10-05 09:18:34 AM
There's job growth because Obama's been too busy campaigning to put any legislation or make decisions to fark up the ecomoney
 
2012-10-05 09:18:36 AM

The Muthaship: greighwolf: Ah the same exact time when companies hire temp holiday staff, just wait till the turn of the year to hear the news scream "Unemployment skyrocketed!!!"

No, no. It's not the hiring of seasonal help, it's a great turn around! FOUR MORE YEARS!


Well then, lets compare this number to the same numbers this time last year
 
2012-10-05 09:18:44 AM

greighwolf: Ah the same exact time when companies hire temp holiday staff, just wait till the turn of the year to hear the news scream "Unemployment skyrocketed!!!"


Companies hire temp holiday staff in SEPTEMBER??? Wow. No wonder Xmas trees are already in clearance.
 
2012-10-05 09:18:56 AM

The Muthaship: greighwolf: Ah the same exact time when companies hire temp holiday staff, just wait till the turn of the year to hear the news scream "Unemployment skyrocketed!!!"

No, no. It's not the hiring of seasonal help, it's a great turn around! FOUR MORE YEARS!


Make no mistake, Obama has sent millions to slave away in his candy corn mine
 
2012-10-05 09:19:30 AM

Spade: +114,000 jobs added doesn't keep up with population growth.


that may be true, but for the first time in a while, the rate dropped because workforce participation increased. that's HUGE news because it flies in the face of the "b...b...b..but discouraged workers" talking point.
 
2012-10-05 09:19:35 AM

Aarontology: As an America loving conservative, the fact that more people are working than before angers and infuriates me.


It's the lying about it that gets to me...
 
2012-10-05 09:20:00 AM
Momma Grizzly said 0bummer is about to be floored by a big scandal. Anybody know anything about this?
 
2012-10-05 09:20:36 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Not enough jobs are being produced to put a dent in the unemployment numbers, so this is actually an indicator of something worse - in the past month, thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a job and just stopped trying.


You know that was last release talking point. Reading the farking article. More people found jobs. Period. Not full time, but as this cycle improves the part time jobs lead to full time. Go be a low rent shill somewhere else.
 
2012-10-05 09:20:50 AM
Big Whoop! After Romney's butt-kicking of Obama in the debates, the freedom loving small businesses are hiring again because they know socialism is over.
 
2012-10-05 09:20:54 AM

david_gaithersburg: Wow, upon actually looking at the report these numbers really suck. They had to add restatements from prior months to the current month in order for it not to look like a complete disaster. The reality is that the current month was short the 200k jobs needed to keep up with the rate of new people entering the work force. But hey, keep chugging that kool aide my leftist friends.


We can't - you already drank it all while typing that.
 
2012-10-05 09:20:55 AM

Biff_Steel: Momma Grizzly said 0bummer is about to be floored by a big scandal. Anybody know anything about this?


They found the "Whitey Tape."
 
2012-10-05 09:21:14 AM
BULLS*IT
 
2012-10-05 09:21:19 AM

hugram: Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
1/20/2001: 4.2%
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 85.71% increase

Obama
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 0.00% increase

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation when their budgets first took place

Bush
1/01/2002: 5.7%
12/31/2009: 9.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 73.68% increase

Obama
1/01/2010: 9.7%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 19.59% decrease


Facts and math have a liberal bias.
 
2012-10-05 09:21:26 AM

Biff_Steel: Momma Grizzly said 0bummer is about to be floored by a big scandal. Anybody know anything about this?


the "whitey" tape, finally?
 
2012-10-05 09:21:57 AM

The Muthaship: Aarontology: As an America loving conservative, the fact that more people are working than before angers and infuriates me.

It's the lying about it that gets to me...


For me, it's workforce participation being up. I can't shill that into being bad for Obama.

Hell anything that shows the economy is doing better is bad since it might help Obama. Nope, I'd rather have poor economic news because that helps politically.
 
2012-10-05 09:21:58 AM
The U.S. unemployment rate fell to 7.8 percent last month, dropping below 8 percent for the first time in nearly four years. The rate declined because more people found work, a trend that could have an impact on undecided voters in the final month before the presidential election.

Suck it Cons.
 
2012-10-05 09:21:58 AM
This is HUGE for Obama. Well, it won't really boost him but a bad jobs report coming right after the debate would have been terrible for him.
 
2012-10-05 09:22:12 AM
THESE NUMBERS ARE FOR SEPTEMBER

YET IT IS OCTOBER

WHY THE COVERUP, LIBS? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?
 
2012-10-05 09:22:40 AM

sprawl15: When the U3 numbers start looking good, it's time to compare U6 numbers under Obama to U3 numbers under Bush.


Dammit! Should have read a few more comments before posting.
 
2012-10-05 09:22:48 AM

TIKIMAN87: BULLS*IT


Its sad the butthurt that will come from the right due to more Americans finding work.
 
2012-10-05 09:23:00 AM
The rate might be down, but this is by no means a good job report. The labor force participation rate surely declined over this time period.
 
2012-10-05 09:23:01 AM

Biff_Steel: Momma Grizzly said 0bummer is about to be floored by a big scandal. Anybody know anything about this?


That's an auto-post that goes up every week, I believe
 
2012-10-05 09:23:04 AM

AngryTeacher: Big Whoop! After Romney's butt-kicking of Obama in the debates, the freedom loving small businesses are hiring again because they know socialism is over.


Kicked his ass back to September huh? That is a woopin'
 
2012-10-05 09:23:11 AM

tricycleracer: This is just Job Creators™ reacting to the inevitable Romney presidency.


Came here for this. Expecting to hear it on Faux any minute now.
 
2012-10-05 09:23:21 AM

FlashHarry: that may be true, but for the first time in a while, the rate dropped because workforce participation increased. that's HUGE news because it flies in the face of the "b...b...b..but discouraged workers" talking point.


And the 500k+ jump in part time due to economic... well, we'd rather them be full time, but at least they've got some cashflow now... which will lead to increased demand... which will lead to more jobs. Overall, this was a pretty positive report.
 
2012-10-05 09:23:22 AM

AngryTeacher: Big Whoop! After Romney's butt-kicking of Obama in the debates, the freedom loving small businesses are hiring again because they know socialism is over.


W00t! Beat it by a whole page!
 
2012-10-05 09:23:24 AM

Summoner101: Businesses started hiring once they saw how well Romney did in the debate.

/figured I'd beat the derp to the punch


I hate opening a thread, taking a phone call, typing a post, then find out that someone already said the same thing.
 
2012-10-05 09:23:29 AM
Although I support Obama, these numbers are pure bullshiat. The media should report the total number of unemployed people that are not disabled, retired or in school. That should be the only number they talk about. It does not matter what the politics is, this number they report is useless since unemployment insurance ends at some point and they stop being counted.
 
2012-10-05 09:23:32 AM

AngryTeacher: Big Whoop! After Romney's butt-kicking of Obama in the debates, the freedom loving small businesses are hiring again because they know socialism is over.


Apparently a ton of freedom-loving small businesses have time machines b/c they went back to August and July and hired more people. Like, a LOT more.

/Just kidding. Sarcasm, I know how it works.
 
2012-10-05 09:23:33 AM

TIKIMAN87: BULLS*IT


Hey Mitt! when did you join Fark?
 
2012-10-05 09:23:34 AM

hugram: Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
1/20/2001: 4.2%
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 85.71% increase

Obama
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 0.00% increase

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation when their budgets first took place

Bush
1/01/2002: 5.7%
12/31/2009: 9.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 73.68% increase

Obama
1/01/2010: 9.7%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 19.59% decrease


You arrive 4 minutes after I summoned you. Well done.
 
2012-10-05 09:23:41 AM

Biff_Steel: Momma Grizzly said 0bummer is about to be floored by a big scandal. Anybody know anything about this?


Joe Arpaio found some of three-year-old Barack Obama's refrigerator art, depicting a stick figure - identified as "DAAD" - with SIX fingers, proving that Obama is really the illegitimate son of Count Rugen, born in Florin, and thus not eligible for the Presidency.
 
2012-10-05 09:24:45 AM

Aarontology: Nope, I'd rather have poor economic news because that helps politically.


Can't go there with you.
 
2012-10-05 09:25:07 AM
44 continuous months of over 8% unemployment, then all of a sudden the sun comes out a month before the election.
What a fraud.
At least we can take comfort in knowing the last job Obobo destroys will be his own.
 
2012-10-05 09:25:12 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Pumpernickel bread: Not enough jobs are being produced to put a dent in the unemployment numbers, so this is actually an indicator of something worse - in the past month, thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a job and just stopped trying.

Um, you may want to double check Dusk's post a couple of entries above yours. Labor force participation is actually up.

Still, even if you're right in the end, 9/10 people only care what the top line number is - not what the math is behind it.


Those numbers just don't jibe. Can't say it is all Obama's fault. He had little to do with the cause of this, but there just can't be a meaningful drop in unemployment when we are producing less than 200k jobs a month. The only thing that could explain it is immigration slowing down and maybe emmigration ramping up
 
2012-10-05 09:25:27 AM
The unemployment rate went down because Romney won the first debate. Duh.
 
2012-10-05 09:25:36 AM

hdhale: I think that once enough people are convinced that Christmas season employment is the only work they are likely to get any time soon, and the only way their kids are going to see presents, suddenly taking a massive paycut to hop back into the workforce and unload boxes of Chinese goods at Walmart sounds pretty damn good.

For all you cheering right, will you be cursing Obama come January when the unemployment rate rises well above 8% again? Nah, you'll go back to mumbling about Bush again I'm sure, win or lose in November.


Wait a minute, aren't these figs always "seasonally adjusted"? Wouldn't that account for any holiday hiring?

And BTW, you can't use the numbers as presented when they work for you and complain about them when they don't. You were happywith them when you thought they made 0bummajahd look bad.
 
2012-10-05 09:25:54 AM

TIKIMAN87: BULLS*IT


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-05 09:26:08 AM

Aarontology: As an America loving conservative, the fact that more people are working than before angers and infuriates me.


But how do you feel about dead ambassadors?
 
2012-10-05 09:26:15 AM
 
2012-10-05 09:26:57 AM

Dwindle: 44 continuous months of over 8% unemployment, then all of a sudden the sun comes out a month before the election.
What a fraud.


Linear time is complicated.
 
2012-10-05 09:26:59 AM

GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.


Lol. Yay for people leaving the workforce. This is the economy Obama always imagined!
 
2012-10-05 09:27:12 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: This is HUGE for Obama. Well, it won't really boost him but a bad jobs report coming right after the debate would have been terrible for him.


actually, the fact that the unemployment rate is lower than when he took office, and that there are more people working today than when he took office is pretty huge.
 
2012-10-05 09:27:17 AM

GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.


Unemployment is lower due to more and more people giving up looking for a job.

Plus, I don't trust the government or believe it is "for the people". Just like this propaganda - jobless rate lowers a month before elections! Oooooo! Didn't expect that one!

/Not voting Obama, not voting Romney - I'm voting for the armed revolution that's sure to come as our "leaders" f*ck us over more and more.

//And if you think an armed revolution is crazy? You (the royal you, not you personally) have a short memory, friendo - a mere 230 years ago WE had an armed revolution against our current government - the English government. Don't think history can't repeat itself.
 
2012-10-05 09:27:18 AM

bulok: There's job growth because Obama's been too busy campaigning to put any legislation or make decisions to fark up the ecomoney


Rmoney is also concerned about the ecomoney.
 
2012-10-05 09:27:20 AM

GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.


The funny thing is that the rate might have gone down because of some quirk in how they count the numbers.

But since the talking points were misleading in the first place, I really don't care.
 
2012-10-05 09:27:25 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: rocketpants: TrainingWheelsNeeded: doh! would it be the green writing of the headline? or dark green writing...

You really tried, didn't you?

http://www.fark.com/farq/totalfark/#TotalFark_Only_Questions

ha! I bet you also look at directions when putting together children's toys and IKEA furniture!


Haha! Get out of my head!
 
2012-10-05 09:27:34 AM
More people are working?

Republican response:

pab58.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-05 09:28:03 AM
Yes...when 800,000 people stop looking for work and their unemployment runs out...the unemployment rate will drop. If dems/libs were more honest they'd look deeper into it and admit that the 7.8% is very skewed to reality.
 
2012-10-05 09:28:11 AM

Pumpernickel bread: but there just can't be a meaningful drop in unemployment when we are producing less than 200k jobs a month.


Or you know, you could read the friggin' report and see what's going on. It's not that complicated, really. Link to the actual report from the farkin' bureau of farkin' labor statistics.
 
2012-10-05 09:28:55 AM

NateGrey: Really good news. All week people economists were expecting the worse. Especially with the claims jump last week.

Yes, this is very suspicious. Remember what happened in 08 the moment McCain and Palin went ahead in the polls? Does anyone think that (the financial crisis) was a coincidence?


I remember when Soros said "pull it" which was the signal to pull the plug on the economy just to win the election.
 
2012-10-05 09:29:06 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Pumpernickel bread: Not enough jobs are being produced to put a dent in the unemployment numbers, so this is actually an indicator of something worse - in the past month, thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a job and just stopped trying.

Um, you may want to double check Dusk's post a couple of entries above yours. Labor force participation is actually up.

Still, even if you're right in the end, 9/10 people only care what the top line number is - not what the math is behind it.

Those numbers just don't jibe. Can't say it is all Obama's fault. He had little to do with the cause of this, but there just can't be a meaningful drop in unemployment when we are producing less than 200k jobs a month. The only thing that could explain it is immigration slowing down and maybe emmigration ramping up


Or, you know, a revision of previous months.
 
2012-10-05 09:29:13 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Pumpernickel bread: Not enough jobs are being produced to put a dent in the unemployment numbers, so this is actually an indicator of something worse - in the past month, thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a job and just stopped trying.

Um, you may want to double check Dusk's post a couple of entries above yours. Labor force participation is actually up.

Still, even if you're right in the end, 9/10 people only care what the top line number is - not what the math is behind it.

Those numbers just don't jibe. Can't say it is all Obama's fault. He had little to do with the cause of this, but there just can't be a meaningful drop in unemployment when we are producing less than 200k jobs a month. The only thing that could explain it is immigration slowing down and maybe emmigration ramping up


Possibly. Keep in mind that the baby boomers are retiring in waves, which also shrinks the total raw workforce. In theory, the participation rate may tick up over time by simple senior citizen attrition.
 
2012-10-05 09:29:17 AM

The Muthaship: Aarontology: Nope, I'd rather have poor economic news because that helps politically.

Can't go there with you.


Then you're a RINO. The number one job is to make Obama a one term president.

BeesNuts: But how do you feel about dead ambassadors?


Smirky.
 
2012-10-05 09:29:29 AM

DaCaptain19: Unemployment is lower due to more and more people giving up looking for a job.


"Among the marginally attached, there were 802,000 discouraged workers in
September, a decline of 235,000 from a year earlier. (These data are not
seasonally adjusted.) Discouraged workers are persons not currently looking
for work because they believe no jobs are available for them."
 
2012-10-05 09:29:29 AM

DempseySR26: Looks like the white house is doing some serious book cooking since the disaster of the debate.


The White House doesn't compute unemployment figures dipshat.
 
2012-10-05 09:30:05 AM

DaCaptain19: Unemployment is lower due to more and more people giving up looking for a job.


Not this time, Cap'n.
 
2012-10-05 09:30:07 AM
Heh... It's hilarious watching some folks around here piss and moan about good news for the country.
 
2012-10-05 09:30:17 AM

DempseySR26: Looks like the white house is doing some serious book cooking since the disaster of the debate.


what debate? oh yeah, the Obama/Romney debate the other night. nearly forgot about that.
 
2012-10-05 09:30:21 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Not enough jobs are being produced to put a dent in the unemployment numbers, so this is actually an indicator of something worse - in the past month, thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a job and just stopped trying.


I see you didn't read the article. Actually the truth is " hundreds of thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a real job and took part-time jobs instead". It sucks, but its better than unemployment.
 
2012-10-05 09:30:24 AM

For conspiracy minded folks: The BLS bureaucrats who prepare these surveys are kept firewalled from politicos in WH and even DOL.

- Neil Irwin (@Neil_Irwin) October 5, 2012



Not that this will stop the conspiracy theorists, haters, or whiners in this thread.
 
2012-10-05 09:30:26 AM

david_gaithersburg: Wow, upon actually looking at the report these numbers really suck. They had to add restatements from prior months to the current month in order for it not to look like a complete disaster. The reality is that the current month was short the 200k jobs needed to keep up with the rate of new people entering the work force. But hey, keep chugging that kool aide my leftist friends.


Uhh revising estimates, sometimes drastically, has always been done. There just isn't enough time to process hard numbers in order to get the most accurate report out as possible. You can generally choose two of accurate, precise, and fast. The first report is accurate and fast but with a huge error that most people who regularly follow this stuff know about. They increase the precision as time goes on and you can get more data, such as tax data from the IRS, to really get a clearer picture of what happened. The fact that past revisions are going in the right direction is unambiguously good news.
 
2012-10-05 09:30:37 AM
I have a question:

So we added 114,000 jobs.
But the number of unemployed people dropped by 456,000.

So, what happened to the other 342,000 people that aren't unemployed but apparently didn't get jobs?
 
2012-10-05 09:30:57 AM

The Muthaship: AirForceVet: GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.

I completely concur. I'm relieved too. The MSM saying Mittens won the debate because he bullshiated the best was surreal. Romney even quoted the GOP mantra during the first debate: Repeat the lies over and over again until they believe the lies.

Like the lie that 7.8% is lower than 7.6%?


Unemployment was 7.8% for January 2009. It would be pretty lame to attribute that to Obama since he wasn't even sworn in until 3 weeks into the month. The Feb 2009 unemployment rate was 8.3% (wow, what a big jump... something really awful must have been going on then)... it is currently 7.8% and trending down.
 
2012-10-05 09:31:04 AM

MyRandomName: Yay for people leaving the workforce


actually, it's the opposite. more people are participating in the workforce.

try another talking point. how about comparing U3 under bush to U6 under obama. i'm sure people won't notice.
 
2012-10-05 09:31:04 AM
The AM talk radio guy was hoping for higher unemployment this morning because it would hurt Obama. That's the GOP in a nutshell, screw over everyone else so you can get what you want.
 
2012-10-05 09:31:05 AM
I'm very critical supporter of President of Obama, mainly because I think the Republicans are just plain slave masters in training. But even I can do simple math.

When Obama became President, unemployment bottomed out at around 16%. He said he would get it to 6%. Every week I watch the Sunday morning bobblehead shows and they're all like

- unemployment is still over 10% - OMG!! WHARGARBLE!!1111!
- unemployment is still over 9% - The President is lying scum.
- unemployment is still over 8.6% - the sky is falling, Obama has not kept his promise!
- unemployment is at 8.45 - The President is full of shiat.
- unemployment is at 8% - why can't this President get it together? What is his problem? He's not working for the economy at all!

Now that unemployment is at 7.8%, I expect their heads are just gonna explode and they're going to declare him an unpatriotic traitor who hates America....

....oh wait
 
2012-10-05 09:31:19 AM

kronicfeld: Joe Arpaio found some of three-year-old Barack Obama's refrigerator art, depicting a stick figure - identified as "DAAD" - with SIX fingers, proving that Obama is really the illegitimate son of Count Rugen, born in Florin, and thus not eligible for the Presidency.


Sure it wasn't Hound Dog Taylor?

blog.bearschoice.shop-pro.jp
 
2012-10-05 09:31:25 AM

TIKIMAN87: BULLS*IT


I AM UPSET THAT OUR ECONOMY IS RECOVERING!
 
2012-10-05 09:31:35 AM

FishyFred: GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points

The funny thing is that the rate might have gone down because of some quirk in how they count the numbers.

But since the talking points were misleading in the first place, I really don't care.


I would wait to see what UnskewedU3.com has to say about it first. I suspect the real U3 is about 19.987%.
 
2012-10-05 09:31:59 AM

Spade: I have a question:

So we added 114,000 jobs.
But the number of unemployed people dropped by 456,000.

So, what happened to the other 342,000 people that aren't unemployed but apparently didn't get jobs?


They retired
 
2012-10-05 09:32:00 AM

Jairzinho: greighwolf: Ah the same exact time when companies hire temp holiday staff, just wait till the turn of the year to hear the news scream "Unemployment skyrocketed!!!"

Companies hire temp holiday staff in SEPTEMBER??? Wow. No wonder Xmas trees are already in clearance.


I was gonna go with:
"This inevitable drop in employment will surely impact the election in November. Obama better be careful."

But that works too. Timing was off at *both* ends of that post. It's kind of impressive.
 
2012-10-05 09:32:05 AM

mrshowrules: hugram: Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
1/20/2001: 4.2%
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 85.71% increase

Obama
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 0.00% increase

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation when their budgets first took place

Bush
1/01/2002: 5.7%
12/31/2009: 9.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 73.68% increase

Obama
1/01/2010: 9.7%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 19.59% decrease

You arrive 4 minutes after I summoned you. Well done.


I'm sure I will post the charts again and again in the next couple of weeks or so...

I wish Obama would have stop Romney's BS talking point about unemployment being over 8% for 40 straight months (or whatever the month amount was) and say, "while that might be true, it is a misleading statement. Unemployment has been trending down for the last 20 months or so. We had 10% at one point."

If he mentioned something along those lines, then most people would have seen that as a good thing.
 
2012-10-05 09:32:17 AM

Pumpernickel bread: in the past month, thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a job and just stopped trying.


bzzzt. wrong. labor force participation is up. get another talking point.
 
2012-10-05 09:32:48 AM
OK, so with this, and if Campaign Obama can show his ass at the next debate, perhaps we will not have President Corporate Robot.
 
2012-10-05 09:32:57 AM

AirForceVet: GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.

I completely concur. I'm relieved too. The MSM saying Mittens won the debate because he bullshiated the best was surreal. Romney even quoted the GOP mantra during the first debate: Repeat the lies over and over again until they believe the lies.


I love this I'll informed analysis from leftists. Keep thinking the tax policy center is the only economist group working. Keep saying they didn't utilize assumptions Romney never made. Keep pretending they didn't already walk back their original analysis when aei pointed out glaring issues with their report. It makes one look silly. Multiple economists have already shown how the tpc report was flawed. Liberals know there are more than one set of economists in the world, right? You don't get to pick the own that agrees with you and claim all others are liars that is selection bias.
 
2012-10-05 09:32:58 AM
That is a significant drop and good news for the country and Obama.
 
2012-10-05 09:33:10 AM

greighwolf: Ah the same exact time when companies hire temp holiday staff, just wait till the turn of the year to hear the news scream "Unemployment skyrocketed!!!"


First of all, I don't think too many retailers were hiring holiday staff in farking September. But also, someone apparently doesn't understand the concept of 'seasonally adjusted'.
 
2012-10-05 09:33:13 AM
Somebody is cooking the books. In two months, the Bureau of Labor Statistics will publish a correction.
 
2012-10-05 09:33:26 AM
And the Republican inability to accept reality continues to grow. Somewhere, Brezhnev is laughing even harder at Reagan.
 
2012-10-05 09:34:23 AM

WorldCitizen: OK, so with this, and if Campaign Obama can show his ass at the next debate, perhaps we will not have President Corporate Robot.


The numbers are not in yet, but I bet Romney got no bounce, hell it might hurt him. He "won" the debate by acting like a corporate raider.
 
2012-10-05 09:34:25 AM
7.8% is only a good thing for the obamorons that think dear leader is doing a good job. To the millions of middle class workers that are still out of work those numbers stink. obama promised 5.6% three years ago. He either lied or didn't understand the how bad the economy was suffering.

The debate proved obama doesn't have a clue. Even the obama friendly media couldn't spin his stammering. Romney knows how to fix this. The only people that can't see through obamas failures are the rubes on the left.
 
2012-10-05 09:34:25 AM
Good. I'll take what we can get right now. It's been a hard five years.
 
2012-10-05 09:34:35 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: August revised upward from +96K to +142K, best August since 2006.

July revised upward from +141K to +181K.

U.S. jobless rate at 44-month low.

Labor force participation rate up 0.1%. Employment population ratio up 0.4%. U-5 down 0.3%. U-2 down 0.3%.

Also, Jack Welch is an idiot.

Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can't debate so change numbers- Jack Welch (@jack_welch) October 5, 2012


If I was going to fix the numbers, I'd fix it somewhat lower.
 
2012-10-05 09:34:43 AM

urbangirl: Wait a minute, aren't these figs always "seasonally adjusted"? Wouldn't that account for any holiday hiring?


Yes. It's just another piece of feces they fling at the wall to see if will stick. And these jokers get paid for this?
 
2012-10-05 09:34:51 AM
-This doesn't include people who stopped looking for work
-The real unemployment rate is 140%
-The books are being cooked by the Obama campaign
-Rush predicted this months ago. It's a lie
-I'm still unemployed so the numbers are obviously wrong.

/it's amazing these people don't end up swallowing their own tongue.
 
2012-10-05 09:35:20 AM
Obama built that.

Actually, if people want more jobs,jjust buy more stuff made in America. The president has far less to do with job creation than the American shopper. I bought an American-made extension cord. Best money I ever spent on tools. Could have bought narrow-gauge, Chinese slave labor made crap but I'm glad I didn't.
 
2012-10-05 09:35:28 AM

MyRandomName: GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.

Lol. Yay for people leaving the workforce. This is the economy Obama always imagined!


Workforce participation rose over the same period. IF you wanna claim he's lying, stick with the actual falsehood, which is Unemployement in January 2009 was 7.6%, and 7.8% is not lower than 7.6%.

Countering falsehoods with falsehoods? Just reinforcing people's opinion about you. You don't wanna go the way of a certain internet dentist, do you?
 
2012-10-05 09:35:50 AM

Lost Thought 00: Spade: I have a question:

So we added 114,000 jobs.
But the number of unemployed people dropped by 456,000.

So, what happened to the other 342,000 people that aren't unemployed but apparently didn't get jobs?

They retired


or died.
 
2012-10-05 09:36:49 AM
Multi-day polls are a junk science and shouldn't be trusted!

Instant reaction polls are completely accurate and should be treated as gospel!

Unemployment numbers that have always been used as common ground are false and are being manipulated by Obama!

/It's getting hard to keep up with this
 
2012-10-05 09:37:15 AM

MyRandomName: Keep thinking the tax policy center is the only economist group working.


five of those other six reports romney cited were written by romney advisors. the sixth was written by the mathematically challenged and murdoch-owned wall st. journal.
 
2012-10-05 09:37:32 AM
So we have 114K new low paying restaurant jobs. Good times.
 
2012-10-05 09:37:45 AM

ManateeGag: Lost Thought 00: Spade: I have a question:

So we added 114,000 jobs.
But the number of unemployed people dropped by 456,000.

So, what happened to the other 342,000 people that aren't unemployed but apparently didn't get jobs?

They retired

or died.


ZOMG DEATH PANELS
 
2012-10-05 09:38:06 AM

Launch Code: 7.8% is only a good thing for the obamorons that think dear leader is doing a good job. To the millions of middle class workers that are still out of work those numbers stink. obama promised 5.6% three years ago. He either lied or didn't understand the how bad the economy was suffering.

The debate proved obama doesn't have a clue. Even the obama friendly media couldn't spin his stammering. Romney knows how to fix this. The only people that can't see through obamas failures are the rubes on the left.


Yeah, Romney will cure American unemployment by laying off Americans and shipping jobs overseas. Wait, wut?
 
2012-10-05 09:38:14 AM

ManateeGag: Lost Thought 00: Spade: I have a question:

So we added 114,000 jobs.
But the number of unemployed people dropped by 456,000.

So, what happened to the other 342,000 people that aren't unemployed but apparently didn't get jobs?

They retired

or died.


Or started their own small business.
 
2012-10-05 09:38:16 AM

DubyaHater: -This doesn't include people who stopped looking for work
-The real unemployment rate is 140%
-The books are being cooked by the Obama campaign
-Rush predicted this months ago. It's a lie
-I'm still unemployed so the numbers are obviously wrong.

/it's amazing these people don't end up swallowing their own tongue.


-The only new jobs are for doctors fixing all the tongue swallowing
 
2012-10-05 09:38:19 AM

kpaxoid: If I was going to fix the numbers, I'd fix it somewhat lower.


Right? These conspiracy theorists are adorable.
 
2012-10-05 09:38:35 AM

Propain_az: So we have 114K new low paying restaurant jobs. Good times.


We'd have better paying manufacturing jobs, but Romney helped ship most of those overseas
 
2012-10-05 09:38:49 AM

BeesNuts: You don't wanna go the way of a certain internet dentist, do you?


did phil finally get the boot? i ignored him a long while ago.

/threadjack
//thought U3 was 7.8 when obama took office. still,
 
2012-10-05 09:38:54 AM

impaler: DempseySR26: Looks like the white house is doing some serious book cooking since the disaster of the debate.

The White House doesn't compute unemployment figures dipshat.


But Republicans believe they do.

So it must be true.

LOL! Now, who didn't see this coming?!! The Magic Negro pulls one out at the last second!

The funny part will be the talking heads who all claim 7.8% is absolutely wonderful and yet Bush at 5.2% was a dolt who couldn't do anything right.
 
2012-10-05 09:39:14 AM
This glorious new!!

After 3 and a half years of driving up the debt $5 trillion, gas prices doubling, and household income going down $4000, unemployment is back where it was when he started!!

Praise Obama!!
 
2012-10-05 09:39:56 AM
Right Wingers pissed off more Americans are employed.

How Patriotic of them.
 
2012-10-05 09:40:48 AM

Summoner101: Propain_az: So we have 114K new low paying restaurant jobs. Good times.

We'd have better paying manufacturing jobs, but Romney helped ship most of those overseas


And don't forget President Bush! Sure, President Obama has been President for 4 years, but his hands have been tied. Reid and Pelosi are doing all they can, but until the Bush/Romney cabal is dealt with it very difficult for success.
 
kab
2012-10-05 09:40:52 AM
Silly libs, unemployment is down simply because Romney trashed 0bama so badly in the debate. Businesses, with a suddenly bright outlook, are just hiring in celebration.
 
2012-10-05 09:41:14 AM
I love the smell of jobs report insta-green in the morning

/smells like...victory
//for Obama
 
2012-10-05 09:41:29 AM

mrshowrules: bulok: There's job growth because Obama's been too busy campaigning to put any legislation or make decisions to fark up the ecomoney

Rmoney is also concerned about the ecomoney.


Stealing that. I shall repay you with a long overdue favoriting.
 
2012-10-05 09:41:42 AM
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bmadore.squarespace.com
 
2012-10-05 09:41:45 AM

Propain_az: So we have 114K new low paying restaurant jobs. Good times.


No, we've got 114k real jobs, and 500k+ new low paying restaurant jobs (not literally restaurant, but part time). Which is way, way better than 500k totally unemployed.
 
SH
2012-10-05 09:41:45 AM
Speaking of the debate... it would have been very interesting if Obama declined to debate unless Romney released his 10 years worth of tax returns.
 
2012-10-05 09:41:54 AM

Lost Thought 00: Spade: I have a question:

So we added 114,000 jobs.
But the number of unemployed people dropped by 456,000.

So, what happened to the other 342,000 people that aren't unemployed but apparently didn't get jobs?

They retired


I guess all those 401ks and other retirement investments that have tanked over the past few years have come roaring back then?
 
2012-10-05 09:41:57 AM

Spade: I have a question:

So we added 114,000 jobs.
But the number of unemployed people dropped by 456,000.

So, what happened to the other 342,000 people that aren't unemployed but apparently didn't get jobs?


Retirement. 10,000 baby boomers are reaching the age of 65 every single day.
 
2012-10-05 09:42:01 AM

rev. dave: since unemployment insurance ends at some point and they stop being counted.


The unemployment rate does not work that way.
 
2012-10-05 09:42:05 AM

Callous: gas prices doubling


FYI: gas was $2/gal in jan '09 because demand had collapsed after the economy had been destroyed under bush. prior to its destruction, gas was above $4/gal in the summer of 2008.

you might want to remove that talking point from your list.
 
2012-10-05 09:42:44 AM

Spade: I guess all those 401ks and other retirement investments that have tanked over the past few years have come roaring back then?


Yeah, unless you panicked and sold out.
 
2012-10-05 09:42:49 AM
I came for the derp, and was nearly disappointed by page one, but a couple sterling Farkers pulled it out for me. Smashing job, chaps.
 
2012-10-05 09:42:50 AM
So after 44 months the number is finally below where he said it wouldn't go over?

Yeah, spectacular.
 
2012-10-05 09:42:55 AM
Mitt Romney is out this morning with the whiniest press release of all time. It also sounds surprisingly similar to the Fark Independent (tm) work here in this thread, even down to the "yeah well what about U6?" droning. He also seems to be testing out a new "are you better off today than you were in July?" line.

Link
 
2012-10-05 09:43:54 AM

hugram: mrshowrules: hugram: Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
1/20/2001: 4.2%
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 85.71% increase

Obama
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 0.00% increase

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation when their budgets first took place

Bush
1/01/2002: 5.7%
12/31/2009: 9.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 73.68% increase

Obama
1/01/2010: 9.7%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 19.59% decrease

You arrive 4 minutes after I summoned you. Well done.

I'm sure I will post the charts again and again in the next couple of weeks or so...

I wish Obama would have stop Romney's BS talking point about unemployment being over 8% for 40 straight months (or whatever the month amount was) and say, "while that might be true, it is a misleading statement. Unemployment has been trending down for the last 20 months or so. We had 10% at one point."

If he mentioned something along those lines, then most people would have seen that as a good thing.


So you're justifying the fact that your guy sucks by pointing to someone that sucks worse? You should really reconsider the standard by which you measure your heros.
 
2012-10-05 09:44:06 AM

Callous: This glorious new!!

After 3 and a half years of driving up the debt $5 trillion, gas prices doubling, and household income going down $4000, unemployment is back where it was when he started!!

Praise Obama!!


Honestly, clawing all the way back from where Bush left us is a remarkable achievement.
 
2012-10-05 09:44:15 AM

incendi: Propain_az: So we have 114K new low paying restaurant jobs. Good times.

No, we've got 114k real jobs, and 500k+ new low paying restaurant jobs (not literally restaurant, but part time). Which is way, way better than 500k totally unemployed.


Wait, I thought adding part time low wage jobs was called a "jobless recovery" and was a bad thing?
 
2012-10-05 09:44:49 AM

Summoner101: Multi-day polls are a junk science and shouldn't be trusted!

Instant reaction polls are completely accurate and should be treated as gospel!

Unemployment numbers that have always been used as common ground are false and are being manipulated by Obama!

/It's getting hard to keep up with this


You really have to think, eventually, populace just starts tuning out these types people... It's obvious at this point, no matter what happens or what statistics are presented, these folks are convinced Obama is the worst president in history and the country is being destroyed by him.

I think these folks have surpassed their counterparts during the Bush years, as far as derangement goes...
 
2012-10-05 09:45:04 AM
Right, but if the Republicans were in power, unemployment would be -23.2%, and there would be tumbleweeds of cash rolling down every street in America.
 
2012-10-05 09:45:07 AM

nyseattitude: Right Wingers pissed off more Americans are employed.

How Patriotic of them.


Keeping folks unemployed has been a key part of their five point plan for regaining the White House. That should be Patriotic enough for any one.
www.truckerdeluxe.com
 
2012-10-05 09:45:27 AM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: So after 44 months the number is finally below where he said it wouldn't go over?


ahh, riiiight... that one.

let's recap:

obama originally underestimated the severity of the bush economic collapse, so he did initially make an incorrect prediction. once the severity of the destruction under the GOP became apparent, he admitted his mistake and quickly revised the number up. that was in 2009.

do you have any more current talking points? or is that what you're going with?
 
2012-10-05 09:45:30 AM

Spade: I guess all those 401ks and other retirement investments that have tanked over the past few years have come roaring back then?


Pretty much.
 
2012-10-05 09:46:44 AM

Spade: Wait, I thought adding part time low wage jobs was called a "jobless recovery" and was a bad thing?


Well, yeah, if you're looking for something to cry about, as many people do when their preferred team doesn't have the ball.
 
2012-10-05 09:47:00 AM

Spade: I guess all those 401ks and other retirement investments that have tanked over the past few years have come roaring back then?


And then some. Stock market is higher than it's been in years. It's a great time to retire, particularly if you delayed it during the crash
 
2012-10-05 09:47:34 AM
Yes, we knew back in January that no matter what level of BS was required or how much you had to play with the numbers. The unemployment rate would magically drop just before the election.

You seriously think that one month ago we had 3 times more people give up looking for a job than actually find a job... But this month we add more jobs in a single month than at any point in the last 29 years?

Incidentally even if this is true, Obama has the worst record for jobs since WW2.
 
2012-10-05 09:48:35 AM

FlashHarry: Snowflake Tubbybottom: So after 44 months the number is finally below where he said it wouldn't go over?

ahh, riiiight... that one.

let's recap:

obama originally underestimated the severity of the bush economic collapse, so he did initially make an incorrect prediction. once the severity of the destruction under the GOP became apparent, he admitted his mistake and quickly revised the number up. that was in 2009.


No shat. Unemployment was well above 9% BEFORE ANY Obama policy was enacted.
 
SH
2012-10-05 09:48:51 AM

Launch Code: 7.8% is only a good thing for the obamorons that think dear leader is doing a good job.


We've had this issue non-stop since 1980. In the 24 years the GOP was in power they amassed a trillion dollar deficit. Clinton fixed that but it was short-lived with W's 2 unfunded wars and tax cuts for the rich. W left us in such a tailspin who knows how much more it will take to pull out. One thing's for sure, keeping the GOP in office benefits nobody except the 1%.

Slowly the ignorant US public is beginning to realize this.
 
2012-10-05 09:48:53 AM

FlashHarry: Callous: gas prices doubling

FYI: gas was $2/gal in jan '09 because demand had collapsed after the economy had been destroyed under bush. prior to its destruction, gas was above $4/gal in the summer of 2008.

you might want to remove that talking point from your list.


After he said that he wants to "necessarily" triple energy prices, no I don't think I will. If he has his way gas will be $6 a gallon by the end of his second term should he get one.
 
2012-10-05 09:48:55 AM

hdhale: I think that once enough people are convinced that Christmas season employment is the only work they are likely to get any time soon, and the only way their kids are going to see presents, suddenly taking a massive paycut to hop back into the workforce and unload boxes of Chinese goods at Walmart sounds pretty damn good.

For all you cheering right, will you be cursing Obama come January when the unemployment rate rises well above 8% again? Nah, you'll go back to mumbling about Bush again I'm sure, win or lose in November.


www.bilerico.com
 
2012-10-05 09:49:26 AM

Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram: Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
1/20/2001: 4.2%
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 85.71% increase

Obama
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 0.00% increase

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation when their budgets first took place

Bush
1/01/2002: 5.7%
12/31/2009: 9.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 73.68% increase

Obama
1/01/2010: 9.7%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 19.59% decrease

You arrive 4 minutes after I summoned you. Well done.

I'm sure I will post the charts again and again in the next couple of weeks or so...

I wish Obama would have stop Romney's BS talking point about unemployment being over 8% for 40 straight months (or whatever the month amount was) and say, "while that might be true, it is a misleading statement. Unemployment has been trending down for the last 20 months or so. We had 10% at one point."

If he mentioned something along those lines, then most people would have seen that as a good thing.

So you're justifying the fact that your guy sucks by pointing to someone that sucks worse? You should really reconsider the standard by which you measure your heros.


Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Here are other economic indicators for you to be upset about... enjoy.

GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
www.tradingeconomics.com

US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 10/04/2012: 13,575.36
Rate of Return: 70.78%

S&P 500 in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P 500 in 10/04/2012: 1,461.40
Rate of Return: 81.15%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 10/04/2012: 3,149.46
Rate of Return: 118.58%


Private jobs hemorrhage slowed down during the Obama Administration and eventually went into positive territory.
farm9.staticflickr.com

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
01/20/2001: 4.2%
01/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 85.71% increase

Obama
01/20/2009: 7.8%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 0.00% increase

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation when their budgets first took place

Bush
01/01/2002: 5.7%
12/31/2009: 9.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 73.68% increase

Obama
01/01/2010: 9.7%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 19.59% decrease



Unemployment rate has been trending down now during the Obama Administration...
i2.cdn.turner.com


...Even though the Tea Party Nation urged small business owners to not hire people in order to make Obama look bad

Or when a company with company policies about not hiring until Obama is gone based on nothing to do with the basic supply and demand process for his business goods.

Or having Mitch McConnell admit that Republicans took America hostage

Or having the GOP blocked a 10 percent tax break for small businesses that hires new employees

Even so, the job market did improve. Read all about it...

Private-sector job growth biggest in 3 years (new window)

Stealth signs of a stronger job market (new window)

Biggest unemployment rate improvement in nearly 28 years (new window)

Small businesses ramp up jobs (new window)

Jobs: 2 hopeful signs (new window)

The unemployment rate fell to 8.3%. That is the lowest since February 2009 (new window)

Stealth jobs boom: 6 months, 2 million jobs (new window)

Jobless claims plunged last week to a nearly four-year low (new window)

Manufacturing jobs boom is for real (new window)

If you are unemployed or underemployed, you don't have a 4 year degree (or higher) and blame Obama for your situation, then maybe you should get a college degree. It is not the Government's fault you don't have the necessary skills to compete in today's world. The Government can even help you pay for it (via student loans, grants, GI Bill etc.).
farm8.staticflickr.com

Average weekly paychecks have improved.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Inflation has not been out of control.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Manufacturing has started to go up.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Consumer spending is up.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office. This was a rooted fear from Tea Partiers. Take a look at a Forbes article written by Bruce Bartlett, a self-described fiscal conservative...
Forbes: Tea partiers confused, taxes 'lower by every measure' under Obama (Cutting to a new window)
 
2012-10-05 09:49:39 AM

randomjsa: Yes, we knew back in January that no matter what level of BS was required or how much you had to play with the numbers. The unemployment rate would magically drop just before the election.

You seriously think that one month ago we had 3 times more people give up looking for a job than actually find a job... But this month we add more jobs in a single month than at any point in the last 29 years?

Incidentally even if this is true, Obama has the worst record for jobs since WW2.


You'd think since he's just making up numbers randomly he'd make them more favorable, huh?

You are truly a stupid person.
 
2012-10-05 09:50:02 AM

randomjsa: Incidentally even if this is true, Obama has the worst record for jobs since WW2.


Incidentally, this is also the worst Republican caused recession since WW2.

Coincidence?
 
2012-10-05 09:50:22 AM

randomjsa: Yes, we knew back in January that no matter what level of BS was required or how much you had to play with the numbers. The unemployment rate would magically drop just before the election.

You seriously think that one month ago we had 3 times more people give up looking for a job than actually find a job... But this month we add more jobs in a single month than at any point in the last 29 years?

Incidentally even if this is true, Obama has the worst record for jobs since WW2.


Floppy, floppy, flip. It's always sad to watch a fish out of water.
 
2012-10-05 09:50:25 AM
 
2012-10-05 09:50:46 AM

incendi: Spade: I guess all those 401ks and other retirement investments that have tanked over the past few years have come roaring back then?

Yeah, unless you panicked and sold out.


Yep ... this ... my 401k and IRA is +150% from 2007 pre-recession values ... if you pulled out early, man, sorry you suck. Markets ebb and flow, just like home values. If you're only in it for the short term, you're going to be panicking a lot harder than those of us that just kicked back, realized we still have 30 years before we retire, and went on with our lives.
 
2012-10-05 09:51:01 AM
 
2012-10-05 09:51:01 AM

Hollie Maea: Callous: This glorious new!!

After 3 and a half years of driving up the debt $5 trillion, gas prices doubling, and household income going down $4000, unemployment is back where it was when he started!!

Praise Obama!!

Honestly, clawing all the way back from where Bush left us is a remarkable achievement.


You aren't allowed to mention Bush.
i.qkme.me
/Republican rules
 
2012-10-05 09:51:08 AM
Well that is some great news and I'm sure Obama will NOT bring it up during any of the debates.
 
2012-10-05 09:51:11 AM
The GOP is trying to make big hay out of the "bad economy" painting a picture of a bumbling president, who just cant seem to get a handle on it. Well, I'm not sure if these new unemployment figures are a tad smoke-and-mirrors, but all one has to do is look at the steady recovery of all markets and improvements of nearly all economic indicators over the last year. I'd say that to the extent that the president can move the economy (with is very little), Obama's stepped up and got the job done.

The general consensus of the politicos about Obama's debate performance Wednesday is that it was abysmal. Romney should have got a good poll bump, but he didn't. The red states are still red, the blue states still blue and both candidates lead margins continue to widen in them. I don't think there's enough polling data from swing states yet to see if Obama hurt himself in them, but somehow I doubt it. Romney's 47% blunder is not going to go away and being smooth in the debates isn't going to negate it.
 
2012-10-05 09:51:17 AM

Spade: Wait, I thought adding part time low wage jobs was called a "jobless recovery" and was a bad thing?


a jobless recovery is where GDP inches up but unemployment remains high, which is what we've had for much of the past 4 years. now, if republicans hadn't blocked every single piece of jobs legislation, and if they hadn't caused our credit rating to be downgraded during the credit ceiling fiasco, we might've had a regular recovery.

honestly, considering the severity of the crash in '08 and the veracity of the republican plan to crater the economy, i'm amazed that we're still in positive territory at all.
 
2012-10-05 09:51:21 AM
images.businessweek.com 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 09:51:39 AM

TIKIMAN87: BULLS*IT


Wait, I don't see your previous post.. where's the BS? I usually know right where to find it when you're in a thread.
 
2012-10-05 09:51:56 AM
I work at BLS, but in a different program. I am glad to not have to answer the phone calls the Current Employment Statistics folks are going to get today.
 
2012-10-05 09:52:29 AM

Launch Code: 7.8% is only a good thing for the obamorons that think dear leader is doing a good job. To the millions of middle class workers that are still out of work those numbers stink. obama promised 5.6% three years ago. He either lied or didn't understand the how bad the economy was suffering.

The debate proved obama doesn't have a clue. Even the obama friendly media couldn't spin his stammering. Romney knows how to fix this. The only people that can't see through obamas failures are the rubes on the left.


Then why can't he tell us his plan?
 
2012-10-05 09:52:41 AM

ManateeGag: Lost Thought 00: Spade: I have a question:

So we added 114,000 jobs.
But the number of unemployed people dropped by 456,000.

So, what happened to the other 342,000 people that aren't unemployed but apparently didn't get jobs?

They retired

or died.


Death Panels!
 
2012-10-05 09:53:01 AM
research.stlouisfed.org
 
2012-10-05 09:53:06 AM

hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:


Holy shiat ... hugram just killed the thread.

www.beer100.com
 
2012-10-05 09:53:11 AM

smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


everybody i know has a job. unemployment must be at zero percent.

/farking anecdotal evidence. how does it work?
 
2012-10-05 09:53:32 AM

greighwolf: Ah the same exact time when companies hire temp holiday staff, just wait till the turn of the year to hear the news scream "Unemployment skyrocketed!!!"


Uh. The numbers are seasonally adjusted. But then you knew that.
 
2012-10-05 09:53:34 AM
 
2012-10-05 09:53:51 AM

smitty04:  
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


Well anecdotal evidence is the best kind of data!
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 09:54:16 AM

Dwindle: 44 continuous months of over 8% unemployment, then all of a sudden the sun comes out a month before the election.
What a fraud.
At least we can take comfort in knowing the last job Obobo destroys will be his own.


Yes, it's clearly a conspiracy. Your brilliance is noted.
 
2012-10-05 09:54:17 AM
I see the DNC and their (probably paid) internet shills are in full force today. I guess the talking points memo probably went out late last night.

Nice damage control try, albeit exceedingly transparent and laughable.
 
2012-10-05 09:54:26 AM
 
2012-10-05 09:55:04 AM

smitty04: Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


Anecdotal evidence is a type of evidence!

www.iphoneworld.ca

Two houses that were in foreclosure on my block got taken off the market as the homeowners got high paying jobs.

Thanks alot Fartbama.
 
2012-10-05 09:55:27 AM

Spade: Lost Thought 00: Spade: I have a question:

So we added 114,000 jobs.
But the number of unemployed people dropped by 456,000.

So, what happened to the other 342,000 people that aren't unemployed but apparently didn't get jobs?

They retired

I guess all those 401ks and other retirement investments that have tanked over the past few years have come roaring back then?


They tanked in '08 and early '09. They have indeed come roaring back over the past few years. Are you living under a rock?
 
2012-10-05 09:55:54 AM

MilesTeg: I see the DNC and their (probably paid) internet shills are in full force today. I guess the talking points memo probably went out late last night.

Nice damage control try, albeit exceedingly transparent and laughable.


Well at least you're concerned so you have that going for you. Still waiting for Rush to come on?
 
2012-10-05 09:55:55 AM

smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


Link

But I'm sure your anecdotes and stock photography are far more accurate indicators...
 
2012-10-05 09:56:07 AM

seadoo2006: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:

Holy shiat ... hugram just killed the thread.

[www.beer100.com image 284x328]


Obama needs to go all Ross Perot and bring out all those charts and graphs hugram posts.
 
2012-10-05 09:56:22 AM
research.stlouisfed.org

And here's U6
research.stlouisfed.org
 
2012-10-05 09:57:02 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-05 09:57:07 AM
It's not a conspiracy - but liberals are deluding themselves if they are celebrating over 114,000 new jobs.

/economic metrics are often imperfect
 
2012-10-05 09:57:34 AM

Callous: After he said that he wants to "necessarily" triple energy prices, no I don't think I will. If he has his way gas will be $6 a gallon by the end of his second term should he get one.


a) he was referring to electricity, not oil
b) the only source cited for that quote is donald trump (if you google the quote, ONLY rightwing sites come up, indicating that it was breitbarted)
c) your claim doesn't change the fact that gas prices were $2/gal in jan '09 because demand had collapsed along with the global economy
 
2012-10-05 09:57:36 AM

Summoner101: Multi-day polls are a junk science and shouldn't be trusted!

Instant reaction polls are completely accurate and should be treated as gospel!

Unemployment numbers that have always been used as common ground are false and are being manipulated by Obama!

/It's getting hard to keep up with this


Just remember the simple IBRIII rule. The IBRIII (if bad for Republicans it is inaccurate) Rule.

I remember it by saying "easy breezy IBRIII'zy"
 
2012-10-05 09:57:40 AM
I'm officially laid off as of the end of the day so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2012-10-05 09:57:43 AM
Can someone explain how we have 300k+ new jobless claims a week and 100k new jobs a month for a net job growth?
 
2012-10-05 09:57:47 AM

Dog Welder: TIKIMAN87: BULLS*IT

I AM UPSET THAT OUR ECONOMY IS RECOVERING!


It's isn't

Only on paper it is recovering.
 
2012-10-05 09:57:55 AM

hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:
Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Wall of crap


I don't cheer for crappy number just because they are a fraction less crappy than last months numbers. I also don't cheer for crappy numbers because they are less crappy than the last failure that was in office.

But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country
 
2012-10-05 09:58:25 AM

smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


Maybe your neighborhood isn't indicative of the total housing economy of the US???

research.stlouisfed.org
 
2012-10-05 09:59:03 AM

hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram: Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.


tl;dr

That's just libtard lies. All those charts are Ivy league, intellectual, libby made up stuff. Try harder.

/amidoinitright?
//Seriously, that's a mountain of facts. Truth has a liberal bias!!
 
2012-10-05 09:59:27 AM

hugram: Callous: hugram: [lots of awesome posting]


Dude, that is an amazing post, you are hero.
 
2012-10-05 09:59:45 AM
When looking at these job numbers, you have to consider that everyone in the GOP that isn't already a millionaire considers themselves temporarily underemployed.
 
2012-10-05 09:59:58 AM
I'm sure this has been said already, but that 7.8% does not take into account the millions of people who have run out of benefits, taken small part time jobs, or just plain stopped looking. Do you realize how many people run out of unemployment benefits every day? But I'm sure these facts are not worth noting to Obama sycophants
 
2012-10-05 10:00:12 AM

TIKIMAN87: Dog Welder: TIKIMAN87: BULLS*IT

I AM UPSET THAT OUR ECONOMY IS RECOVERING!

It's isn't

Only on paper it is recovering.


Huh, funny ... must've missed where my business showed pre-recession revenue and profit in 2010 and 2011, and this year, we're set to break our 20-year record in sales, revenue, and profit. Oh, and our payroll doubled this year as well. +10 new jobs since 2011.

/We're in new home construction
//In Cleveland ...
///My 401k and IRA have both recovered and then some since 2007 pre-recession values.
////Enjoy your day
//Slashies!
 
2012-10-05 10:00:31 AM

DGS: Dwindle: 44 continuous months of over 8% unemployment, then all of a sudden the sun comes out a month before the election.
What a fraud.
At least we can take comfort in knowing the last job Obobo destroys will be his own.

Yes, it's clearly a conspiracy. Your brilliance is noted.


images.sodahead.com

/I used to be a conspiracy theorist too
//Then I turned 14
///Slashies come in threes
 
2012-10-05 10:00:38 AM

Dwindle: 44 continuous months of over 8% unemployment, then all of a sudden the sun comes out a month before the election.
What a fraud.


Totes. The unemployment rate just happens to go from barely over 8 to barely under 8?!!?! This is outrageous. Obama should be brought up on war crimes for cooking these books.

This would never have happened if Jesus were president.
 
2012-10-05 10:00:56 AM

publikenemy: I'm sure this has been said already, but that 7.8% does not take into account the millions of people who have run out of benefits, taken small part time jobs, or just plain stopped looking. Do you realize how many people run out of unemployment benefits every day? But I'm sure these facts are not worth noting to Obama sycophants


I look forward to the Republicans in Congress supporting an extension to unemployment benefits.
 
2012-10-05 10:01:03 AM

ManateeGag: Lost Thought 00: Spade: I have a question:

So we added 114,000 jobs.
But the number of unemployed people dropped by 456,000.

So, what happened to the other 342,000 people that aren't unemployed but apparently didn't get jobs?

They retired

or died.


Well, that would be a final solution to joblessness.
 
2012-10-05 10:01:29 AM

beta_plus: It's not a conspiracy - but liberals are deluding themselves if they are celebrating over 114,000 new jobs.

/economic metrics are often imperfect


I wonder what this post would look like had the rate gone up not down.
 
2012-10-05 10:01:42 AM

FlashHarry: Callous: After he said that he wants to "necessarily" triple energy prices, no I don't think I will. If he has his way gas will be $6 a gallon by the end of his second term should he get one.

a) he was referring to electricity, not oil
b) the only source cited for that quote is donald trump (if you google the quote, ONLY rightwing sites come up, indicating that it was breitbarted)
c) your claim doesn't change the fact that gas prices were $2/gal in jan '09 because demand had collapsed along with the global economy


So the doubling of the gas prices was just a bonus? Got it, thanks. I feel so much better now.
 
2012-10-05 10:02:20 AM

smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


I sold my house for a 50K profit in September and bought a brand new one. Builder told me the bottom was reached earlier this year and his business is now booming again.

Anecdotal evidence how does it work?
 
2012-10-05 10:02:36 AM

mrshowrules: James!: Romney recovery?

Well done. The transition from the Bush Recovery to the Romney Recovery over the summer was surprising gradual.


Romney's impressive performance at the debate soothed the fears of The Invisible Hand, causing tens of thousands of jobs to be created in the span of two days.
 
2012-10-05 10:02:43 AM

randomjsa: Incidentally even if this is true, Obama has the worst record for jobs since WW2.


i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 10:03:30 AM

Callous: FlashHarry: Callous: After he said that he wants to "necessarily" triple energy prices, no I don't think I will. If he has his way gas will be $6 a gallon by the end of his second term should he get one.

a) he was referring to electricity, not oil
b) the only source cited for that quote is donald trump (if you google the quote, ONLY rightwing sites come up, indicating that it was breitbarted)
c) your claim doesn't change the fact that gas prices were $2/gal in jan '09 because demand had collapsed along with the global economy

So the doubling of the gas prices was just a bonus? Got it, thanks. I feel so much better now.


Well at least you're being deliberately obtuse.
 
2012-10-05 10:03:47 AM

publikenemy: I'm sure this has been said already, but that 7.8% does not take into account the millions of people who have run out of benefits, taken small part time jobs, or just plain stopped looking. Do you realize how many people run out of unemployment benefits every day? But I'm sure these facts are not worth noting to Obama sycophants


That's not how these numbers are collected. But then you knew that.
 
2012-10-05 10:04:14 AM
When the rate was over 8%, the numbers were legit. Now that it's under 8%, the numbers are cooked.

Better unemployment numbers give Republicans a sad.

: (
 
2012-10-05 10:04:36 AM

hugram: awesome


cdn.bleacherreport.net
 
2012-10-05 10:05:27 AM

smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


Foreclosure rates are down overall in the US from last year (although some local markets may buck the national trend). Average home prices are trending up, albeit slowly, due to fewer foreclosed homes being sold. You are mistaken.
 
2012-10-05 10:05:32 AM

JusticeandIndependence: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I sold my house for a 50K profit in September and bought a brand new one. Builder told me the bottom was reached earlier this year and his business is now booming again.

Anecdotal evidence how does it work?


So we should believe your anecdote over his?
 
2012-10-05 10:05:37 AM
I think the number of slashies varies inversely (that should be indirectly I believe but what the hell) with the unemployment figures.

/this slashie is for Big Bird--that evil Socialist muppet that must be destroyed if we are to save America
/this slashie is for the middle class who won't be taxed until they will be taxed
/this slashie is for Obamacare which must be repealed except in Massachusetts
/this slashie went wee wee wee all the way home
 
2012-10-05 10:05:39 AM

Callous: So the doubling of the gas prices was just a bonus? Got it, thanks. I feel so much better now.


We have reached the point where anytime that the global economy is doing ok, gas prices are going to be high. Sucks, but that's how it is. Deal with it.

/Or you could vote for someone who just lies through his teeth and says he will magically lower prices. I hear Newt Gingrich is available.
//Or you could vote for someone who will wreck the world economy and bring gas prices down with it. I hear Mitt Romney is available.
 
2012-10-05 10:05:44 AM

sweetmelissa31: mrshowrules: James!: Romney recovery?

Well done. The transition from the Bush Recovery to the Romney Recovery over the summer was surprising gradual.

Romney's impressive performance at the debate soothed the fears of The Invisible Hand, causing tens of thousands of jobs to be created in the span of two days.


The Invisible Stranger?
 
2012-10-05 10:05:50 AM

TIKIMAN87: I AM UPSET THAT OUR ECONOMY IS RECOVERING!

It's isn't

Only on paper it is recovering.


Business failures say otherwise:
growlersoftware.com
 
2012-10-05 10:06:06 AM

DarnoKonrad: WorldCitizen: OK, so with this, and if Campaign Obama can show his ass at the next debate, perhaps we will not have President Corporate Robot.

The numbers are not in yet, but I bet Romney got no bounce, hell it might hurt him. He "won" the debate by acting like a corporate raider.


Republicans liek that.

nobody who was thinking of supporting him is going to pay attention to the factt hat he only "won" because he changed positions on many things he has been campaigning on.
 
2012-10-05 10:06:14 AM

Summoner101: Callous: FlashHarry: Callous: After he said that he wants to "necessarily" triple energy prices, no I don't think I will. If he has his way gas will be $6 a gallon by the end of his second term should he get one.

a) he was referring to electricity, not oil
b) the only source cited for that quote is donald trump (if you google the quote, ONLY rightwing sites come up, indicating that it was breitbarted)
c) your claim doesn't change the fact that gas prices were $2/gal in jan '09 because demand had collapsed along with the global economy

So the doubling of the gas prices was just a bonus? Got it, thanks. I feel so much better now.

Well at least you're being deliberately obtuse.


Sarcasm, how does it work?
 
2012-10-05 10:06:33 AM

DGS: TIKIMAN87: BULLS*IT

Wait, I don't see your previous post.. where's the BS? I usually know right where to find it when you're in a thread.


148k jobs created and the rate drops .3%?
 
2012-10-05 10:06:40 AM
Obviously, the Labor Dept is now counting the number of media people who have taken on the job of re-electing Obama.

Hey, whatever gets that number below 8%. Chicago math.
 
2012-10-05 10:06:51 AM
Yes, there is a deeply embedded sleeper cell of Libs secretly manipulating employment numbers, and even though they could have brought this number down and pretty much removed Romney's main campaign argument and shored up the President's re-election months ago, they decided to wait until 30 days before the election to do it.

Think trolls. For once, just think one of these ridiculous thoughts through.

/One to grow on
 
2012-10-05 10:06:54 AM
NO NUMBERS ARE TRUE IF THEY SUPPORT THE POSITION OF SOMEONE I DON'T LIKE!

Have any of you naysayers thought about what you're implying with your paranoid rants that Obama's fixing the numbers to look good? You're basically saying that any numbers you don't agree with might be compromised as part of a conspiracy.
 
2012-10-05 10:07:04 AM

GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.


Yeah if that unemployment number meant anything you'd have a point. The reason the number keeps inching down is because people keep dropping out of the work force because they can't find work. As Romney points out, the real number would be closer to 11% if that wasn't the case.
 
2012-10-05 10:07:13 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I think the number of slashies varies inversely (that should be indirectly I believe but what the hell) with the unemployment figures.

/this slashie is for Big Bird--that evil Socialist muppet that must be destroyed if we are to save America
/this slashie is for the middle class who won't be taxed until they will be taxed
/this slashie is for Obamacare which must be repealed except in Massachusetts
/this slashie went wee wee wee all the way home


You forgot to offset for potato.
 
2012-10-05 10:07:22 AM
I'm not sure using GDP or the DOW or weekly paychecks increasing is indicative of how the bottom 99% is doing.

95% of all income gains have gone to the top 1% according to a liberal in a different thread. Also 95% of the DOW is owned by the top 10% of the wealth in the US.

So if the top 1% and top 10% is making money the GDP will reflect that.....but it's not a good way to show how the bottom 90-99% is doing.

/but it's a great metric to fap too....like finding an old picture of your mom to fap to without realizing it is a picture of your mom when she was 16.
 
2012-10-05 10:08:36 AM
This is why I have given up on politics. The rah! team mentality and factual cherry picking going on here for both sides is disturbing.
 
2012-10-05 10:08:37 AM

Callous: JusticeandIndependence: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I sold my house for a 50K profit in September and bought a brand new one. Builder told me the bottom was reached earlier this year and his business is now booming again.

Anecdotal evidence how does it work?

So we should believe your anecdote over his?


Nope. Believe both if you want to.

/Mine actually happened.
 
2012-10-05 10:08:43 AM
static6.businessinsider.com


More Republican tears please.
 
2012-10-05 10:08:46 AM
Of course the economy is bad, which is why I get calls from recruiters every day.
 
2012-10-05 10:09:08 AM

Callous: So the doubling of the gas prices was just a bonus? Got it, thanks. I feel so much better now.


ok, now i know you're trolling.

but just in case you're that dense:

gas prices have doubled because demand has recovered along with the economy.

other things that cause high gas prices:

• speculation
• refinery capacity problems
• the BP oil spill
• unrest in the middle east (ahmadinedjad and bibi's saber rattling)
 
2012-10-05 10:09:14 AM
REALITY IS IN THE TANK FOR BARRY 0BUMMER HUSSEIN SHICKLGRUBER !!
 
2012-10-05 10:09:16 AM
Republicans have nothing.

The only somewhat-legitimate complaint they have is with regards to the pace of the recovery, but even then most Americans can easily see how that pace was crippled by Republican obstruction and pettiness.

If they weren't such petulant, farking, infants, Republicans in both houses could have easily been seen as the heroes of this recovery, but they screwed that pooch comically, and now Obama is going to get most of the credit. You have to love that.
 
2012-10-05 10:09:49 AM
 
2012-10-05 10:10:16 AM
Seems there's more noise in the monthly reports this year compared to last year... wonder what the outcome of the yearly/annual revision will look like.
 
2012-10-05 10:10:54 AM

Callous: Summoner101: Callous: FlashHarry: Callous: After he said that he wants to "necessarily" triple energy prices, no I don't think I will. If he has his way gas will be $6 a gallon by the end of his second term should he get one.

a) he was referring to electricity, not oil
b) the only source cited for that quote is donald trump (if you google the quote, ONLY rightwing sites come up, indicating that it was breitbarted)
c) your claim doesn't change the fact that gas prices were $2/gal in jan '09 because demand had collapsed along with the global economy

So the doubling of the gas prices was just a bonus? Got it, thanks. I feel so much better now.

Well at least you're being deliberately obtuse.

Sarcasm, how does it work?


Your sarcasm still claimed gas prices doubling as a honest grievance against Obama.

So yea, still deliberately obtuse. And now apparently an idiot because you don't know how sarcasm works.
 
2012-10-05 10:11:32 AM

Brubold: GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.

Yeah if that unemployment number meant anything you'd have a point. The reason the number keeps inching down is because people keep dropping out of the work force because they can't find work. As Romney points out, the real number would be closer to 11% if that wasn't the case.


Then why is U6 dropping?

Dumbarse.
 
2012-10-05 10:11:44 AM
Since when does holiday hiring begin in September? I thought holiday season work begins in late October to mid-November.
 
2012-10-05 10:11:47 AM

DaCaptain19: /Not voting Obama, not voting Romney - I'm voting for the armed revolution that's sure to come as our "leaders" f*ck us over more and more.

//And if you think an armed revolution is crazy? You (the royal you, not you personally) have a short memory, friendo - a mere 230 years ago WE had an armed revolution against our current government - the English government. Don't think history can't repeat itself.


i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-05 10:11:50 AM

NateGrey: [static6.businessinsider.com image 510x308]


More Republican tears please.


Is there a Chrome utility to replace dog-whistle terms like "Chicago" with N-word so I can get a more accurate picture of what these people are tweeting/posting?
 
2012-10-05 10:12:13 AM

dr_blasto: Do it, you pussy!


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-10-05 10:12:14 AM

Digitalstrange: This is why I have given up on politics. The rah! team mentality and factual cherry picking going on here for both sides is disturbing.


You should click another tab.
 
2012-10-05 10:12:23 AM

barneyfifesbullet: EVERYBODY KNEW the number would be below 8% by the election.

Anyone that believes this report is an idiot.


Says the guy with absolutely no idea whatsoever as to how DoL goes about the task of gauging US employment.

Please, share with us your knowledge of the process. And please include any evidence of your actual training in this area to bolster the veracity of your claim.

Or, you could just be silent and confirm that you are completely full of shiat.
 
2012-10-05 10:12:26 AM

beta_plus: It's not a conspiracy - but liberals are deluding themselves if they are celebrating over 114,000 new jobs.

/economic metrics are often imperfect


I'm not sure anyone is 'celebrating', but it is good news. Positive private sector job growth is always good news. Mostly the liberals here are mocking the right wingers whargarrble.
 
2012-10-05 10:12:33 AM

Hollie Maea: Callous: So the doubling of the gas prices was just a bonus? Got it, thanks. I feel so much better now.

We have reached the point where anytime that the global economy is doing ok, gas prices are going to be high. Sucks, but that's how it is. Deal with it.

/Or you could vote for someone who just lies through his teeth and says he will magically lower prices. I hear Newt Gingrich is available.
//Or you could vote for someone who will wreck the world economy and bring gas prices down with it. I hear Mitt Romney is available.


So the $4000 per household income lost, and the debt and deficit are all okay to you because unemployment is down?

It's great that unemployment is down, if it's truly down. But overall the economy is still in a shamble.

I'm not going to praise anyone until someone starts getting it all under control. The problem is that everyone wants it fixed but no one wants the fix to effect them. And Obama is trying to keep everyone happy. So did Bush. So will Romney(if he wins).

I guess my point is we are in a tailspin and I don't know that any politician will have the guts to do what's necessary to pull us out of it. The gravy train would stop for a lot of people. That includes the entire spectrum of spending from freeloaders to defense contractors.
 
2012-10-05 10:12:37 AM
Lol... This thread is hilarious. Between yesterday and today, it seems like some folks around here are bipolar.
 
2012-10-05 10:12:39 AM

Delay: publikenemy: I'm sure this has been said already, but that 7.8% does not take into account the millions of people who have run out of benefits, taken small part time jobs, or just plain stopped looking. Do you realize how many people run out of unemployment benefits every day? But I'm sure these facts are not worth noting to Obama sycophants

That's not how these numbers are collected. But then you knew that.


That's the point. Actual unemployed is significantly higher, so no point crowing over a couple of insignificant percentage points. Monthly job growth is not robust enough to grow the economy.
 
2012-10-05 10:12:49 AM

Bloody William: Since when does holiday hiring begin in September? I thought holiday season work begins in late October to mid-November.


shhh! that's the GOP talking point for the november jobs report!
 
2012-10-05 10:12:51 AM

Digitalstrange: This is why I have given up on politics. The rah! team mentality and factual cherry picking going on here for both sides is disturbing.


One side is ignoring data and cherry picking (gas prices).

Both sides are bad.
 
2012-10-05 10:13:08 AM

Digitalstrange: This is why I have given up on politics. The rah! team mentality and factual cherry picking going on here for both sides is disturbing.


Yes, both sides are equally bad.
 
2012-10-05 10:13:13 AM

AkaDad: When the rate was over 8%, the numbers were legit. Now that it's under 8%, the numbers are cooked.


OH SO MUCH FARKING THIS!!1!


The Rape-ublicans kept quoting those unemployment numbers. Now, not so much. Enjoy your petard.
 
2012-10-05 10:13:16 AM

NateGrey: Digitalstrange: This is why I have given up on politics. The rah! team mentality and factual cherry picking going on here for both sides is disturbing.

You should click another tab.


With a name like "Digitalstrange", the geek tab is probably more his speed.
 
2012-10-05 10:13:29 AM
Don't you ever go changin' Fox News.

These numbers are the top story on every news outlet I can find.

On Fox News? Barely a mention. Oh, and they have something called a "BIAS ALERT"? That's rich.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-05 10:13:38 AM

NateGrey: More Republican tears please.


This reminds me of the time the Bush administration was accused of using the terror alert level for political gain.

I don't know why.
 
2012-10-05 10:14:04 AM
Exactly! I'm not one with knowledge enough to do such an analysis but if the info is available to the public I'm sure there are several Freepers who have that knowledge to fact check these numbers.

7.8% from 8.1% - in October? After a whole term of 8%+? After that terrible debate performance?


Any other Fark Cons believe debate performance should be factored in he unemployment number?
 
2012-10-05 10:14:18 AM

DaCaptain19: o! Didn't expect that one!

/Not voting Obama, not voting Romney - I'm voting for the armed revolution that's sure to come as our "leaders" f*ck us over more and more.


I truly wish that would happen....
Sadly, it's not going to.
 
2012-10-05 10:14:27 AM

publikenemy: Actual unemployed is significantly higher, so no point crowing over a couple of insignificant percentage points.


You know this...how? Have you talked to 150 million Americans? Please explain how you know better than the BLS.
 
2012-10-05 10:14:28 AM

smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


It might have to do with the fact that the pictured house is BUTT UGLY AND FALLING APART.
 
2012-10-05 10:14:34 AM

Giltric: I'm not sure using GDP or the DOW or weekly paychecks increasing is indicative of how the bottom 99% is doing.

95% of all income gains have gone to the top 1% according to a liberal in a different thread. Also 95% of the DOW is owned by the top 10% of the wealth in the US.

So if the top 1% and top 10% is making money the GDP will reflect that.....but it's not a good way to show how the bottom 90-99% is doing.

/but it's a great metric to fap too....like finding an old picture of your mom to fap to without realizing it is a picture of your mom when she was 16.


So you are saying that trickle down economics does not work?
 
2012-10-05 10:14:56 AM
Guys. I'm sure the Republicans are celebrating with the rest of the nation as the country recovers regardless of politics. They would be thinking of well being of all common people instead of political parties.
 
2012-10-05 10:15:12 AM

impaler: Business failures say otherwise:


Very interesting.

If I was a Republican I would reject this because the implication is that companies that failed under Bush have a residual negative economic impact during the Obama Presidency.
 
2012-10-05 10:15:13 AM
isnt the Jobless rate 100%?
 
2012-10-05 10:15:51 AM
An unrelated picture of book cooking....

www.maggiesnotebook.com
 
2012-10-05 10:16:07 AM
Makes me wonder if Obama knew these on Wednesday night which is why he was so chill and not like the angry old man.
 
2012-10-05 10:16:20 AM

mainstreet62: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

It might have to do with the fact that the pictured house is BUTT UGLY AND FALLING APART.


BUT BUT TWO HOUSES! That is a better indicator of the ENTIRE ECONOMY than the whole rest of the country!
 
2012-10-05 10:17:01 AM

publikenemy: That's the point. Actual unemployed is significantly higher,


It's always "significantly higher." 1.74 times higher to be exact.

U3*1.74 vs U6
research.stlouisfed.org
 
2012-10-05 10:17:39 AM

hdhale: I think that once enough people are convinced that Christmas season employment is the only work they are likely to get any time soon, and the only way their kids are going to see presents, suddenly taking a massive paycut to hop back into the workforce and unload boxes of Chinese goods at Walmart sounds pretty damn good.

For all you cheering right, will you be cursing Obama come January when the unemployment rate rises well above 8% again? Nah, you'll go back to mumbling about Bush again I'm sure, win or lose in November.


So, you are trying to say that the estimates are not appropriately seasonally adjusted?

I would suggest that anyone jumping on this talking point needs to actually read the actual description of the actual methodology to actually come close to actually understanding how these estimates are actually determined.

/actually
 
2012-10-05 10:18:11 AM
The false premise is that Obama is doing anything to improve our economy.

He is, in fact, like a nuclear weapon that has detonated within it.

It will take a generation to undo what he has done in just three years

Damn him.

turfmann on October 5, 2012 at 9:06 AM


Right wing blogs are losing their shiat.
 
2012-10-05 10:18:13 AM

Callous: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:
Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Wall of crap

I don't cheer for crappy number just because they are a fraction less crappy than last months numbers. I also don't cheer for crappy numbers because they are less crappy than the last failure that was in office.

But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country


In Canada we never blame low or high gas prices on the Government. We are less stupid that way.
 
2012-10-05 10:18:37 AM

Summoner101: NateGrey: More Republican tears please.

This reminds me of the time the Bush administration was accused of using the terror alert level for political gain.

I don't know why.


The terror alert level was only used for political gain. I mean, did you ever hear anyone say "boy, it's a good thing we were warned by the terror alert level!"
 
2012-10-05 10:19:30 AM

smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


I'll need at least another anecdote before I can consider this "data"
 
2012-10-05 10:19:31 AM
too bad there wasn't a secret camera on the romney team when the numbers were released this morning. the hair-pulling and wailing would have been delicious to watch.
 
2012-10-05 10:19:43 AM

WalkingCarpet: Don't you ever go changin' Fox News.

These numbers are the top story on every news outlet I can find.

On Fox News? Barely a mention. Oh, and they have something called a "BIAS ALERT"? That's rich.


They really think everyone in the country thinks like they do...It's just the same old "Silent Majority" bullshiat they're slinging.

I got a mailer from some group supporting Scott Brown the other day...

The headline read: "Elizabeth Warren.... She won't repeal Obamacare!"

My first thought was, that's supposed to make me not vote for her?
 
2012-10-05 10:19:47 AM

TIKIMAN87: Dog Welder: TIKIMAN87: BULLS*IT

I AM UPSET THAT OUR ECONOMY IS RECOVERING!

It's isn't

Only on paper it is recovering.


This kind of paper? 
www.treasurenet.com
 
2012-10-05 10:19:47 AM

Summoner101: NateGrey: More Republican tears please.

This reminds me of the time the Bush administration was accused of using the terror alert level for political gain.

I don't know why.


I don't either.
 
2012-10-05 10:20:47 AM

FlashHarry: too bad there wasn't a secret camera on the romney team when the numbers were released this morning. the hair-pulling and wailing would have been delicious to watch.


Also not pictured: rending of garments, lamentations of women.
 
2012-10-05 10:20:53 AM
i449.photobucket.com

Oh that's right. "Run to the Center" Romney totally repudiated those 47% comments. I guess he's abandoning his base now that he's got what he wanted from them.
 
2012-10-05 10:21:21 AM

hugram: Giltric: I'm not sure using GDP or the DOW or weekly paychecks increasing is indicative of how the bottom 99% is doing.

95% of all income gains have gone to the top 1% according to a liberal in a different thread. Also 95% of the DOW is owned by the top 10% of the wealth in the US.

So if the top 1% and top 10% is making money the GDP will reflect that.....but it's not a good way to show how the bottom 90-99% is doing.

/but it's a great metric to fap too....like finding an old picture of your mom to fap to without realizing it is a picture of your mom when she was 16.

So you are saying that trickle down economics does not work?


No I'm questioning some of the charts you use and what they mean.

It seems in the Obama recovery...the rich are getting richer....the 99% are still dumpster diving for half eaten egg salad pannini sandwiches. 

how does 300k+ new jobless claims a week add up to a lower unemployment rate when you create only 100k jobs in a month.
 
2012-10-05 10:21:47 AM

cameroncrazy1984: mainstreet62: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

It might have to do with the fact that the pictured house is BUTT UGLY AND FALLING APART.

BUT BUT TWO HOUSES! That is a better indicator of the ENTIRE ECONOMY than the whole rest of the country!


IT SURE IS! TWO HOUSES IS LIKE 47% OF GDP!
 
2012-10-05 10:23:04 AM

mrshowrules: Callous: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:
Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Wall of crap

I don't cheer for crappy number just because they are a fraction less crappy than last months numbers. I also don't cheer for crappy numbers because they are less crappy than the last failure that was in office.

But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

In Canada we never blame low or high gas prices on the Government. We are less stupid that way.


In the United States some of know that when you intentionally drive up the cost of one or more forms of energy it effects the others. But keep telling yourself that.
 
2012-10-05 10:23:23 AM

hugram: I wish Obama would have stop Romney's BS talking point about unemployment being over 8% for 40 straight months (or whatever the month amount was) and say, "while that might be true, it is a misleading statement. Unemployment has been trending down for the last 20 months or so. We had 10% at one point."

If he mentioned something along those lines, then most people would have seen that as a good thing.


If the media frenzy after the debate showed us anything, substantive points/arguments are meaningless. Facts are meaningless. Obama apparently needs to be more animated, stare at Romney intently and run his mouth like an idiot while appearing to be angry.
 
2012-10-05 10:23:46 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Not enough jobs are being produced to put a dent in the unemployment numbers, so this is actually an indicator of something worse - in the past month, thousands of Americans have given up hope of finding a job and just stopped trying.


Nice try but U6 went down, too.
 
2012-10-05 10:23:47 AM

mainstreet62: cameroncrazy1984: mainstreet62: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

It might have to do with the fact that the pictured house is BUTT UGLY AND FALLING APART.

BUT BUT TWO HOUSES! That is a better indicator of the ENTIRE ECONOMY than the whole rest of the country!

IT SURE IS! TWO HOUSES IS LIKE 47% OF GDP!


Well one of them is the House of Lannister
 
2012-10-05 10:23:54 AM

Giltric: how does 300k+ new jobless claims a week add up to a lower unemployment rate when you create only 100k jobs in a month.


Perhaps you can find your answer here since you seem deadset on ignoring the fact that multiple people have already answered that question in this very thread.
 
2012-10-05 10:24:29 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Oh that's right. "Run to the Center" Romney totally repudiated those 47% comments. I


last night on hannity he said that he was wrong to say those comments. it's hilarious - because he had already doubled down on them. but now that it was kicking his ass, he flip flopped as he always does. but like i said in the other thread about this, if you listen to the way he enunciates "entitled" in those comments, it's clear that it is what he truly believes and that he holds the "47 percent" with utter disdain and contempt.
 
2012-10-05 10:24:34 AM

smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


HERP DERP

my house sold in 6 days back in February, and I bought one back in May, booom, 2 houses that sold.

You do realize that just because you have 2 in foreclosure doesn't mean the rest of the US is like that right?
 
2012-10-05 10:25:08 AM

Giltric: how does 300k+ new jobless claims a week add up to a lower unemployment rate when you create only 100k jobs in a month.


Those 100k a month are net and seasonally adjusted. I think something like net 850k non-seasonally adjusted jobs were added last month.
 
2012-10-05 10:25:26 AM

publikenemy: I'm sure this has been said already, but that 7.8% does not take into account the millions of people who have run out of benefits, taken small part time jobs, or just plain stopped looking. Do you realize how many people run out of unemployment benefits every day? But I'm sure these facts are not worth noting to Obama sycophants


RTFA shill, labor participation has gone up
 
2012-10-05 10:25:48 AM

cameroncrazy1984: publikenemy: Actual unemployed is significantly higher, so no point crowing over a couple of insignificant percentage points.

You know this...how? Have you talked to 150 million Americans? Please explain how you know better than the BLS.



Here's one source, there are many
 
2012-10-05 10:26:22 AM

Skleenar: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I'll need at least another anecdote before I can consider this "data"




JusticeandIndependence: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I sold my house for a 50K profit in September and bought a brand new one. Builder told me the bottom was reached earlier this year and his business is now booming again.

Anecdotal evidence how does it work?


Here's one...
 
2012-10-05 10:26:40 AM

Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:
Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Wall of crap

I don't cheer for crappy number just because they are a fraction less crappy than last months numbers. I also don't cheer for crappy numbers because they are less crappy than the last failure that was in office.

But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

In Canada we never blame low or high gas prices on the Government. We are less stupid that way.

In the United States some of know that when you intentionally drive up the cost of one or more forms of energy it effects the others. But keep telling yourself that.


So Obama is intentionally driving up the price of gas? Let me guess, by delaying the Keystone Pipeline? Please tell me that is not what you are seriously going to argue?
 
2012-10-05 10:26:49 AM

publikenemy: Here's one source, there are many


Jerome Corsi is not a legitimate source for anything
 
2012-10-05 10:27:38 AM

OhioUGrad: Makes me wonder if Obama knew these on Wednesday night which is why he was so chill and not like the angry old man.


I could be wrong, but I don't think he has access to the numbers till about 10hours before their release. So whatever happened on Wed. night wasn't related to this.
 
2012-10-05 10:27:49 AM

Callous: In the United States some of know that when you intentionally drive up the cost of one or more forms of energy it effects (sic)the others.


and just how, pray tell, is the president "intentionally" driving up gas prices?

and why on earth would he do that when the political cost is so high?

and why do you "conservatives" scream "politics!" when he talks of releasing oil from the strategic reserves if he's "intentionally" driving up prices?
 
2012-10-05 10:28:26 AM
I'm amazed at the number of right-wingers in here that have stated that people running out of unemployment benefits are not counted in the unemployment rate.

This is basic unemployment 101-type stuff and comes up repeatedly in every single monthly jobs report thread and every time they say it, a handful of people respond to them and point out the fallacy and the very next month, they come back and say the same damned shiat over again.

Troll, retarded, or wilfully ignorant? You decide.
 
2012-10-05 10:29:59 AM
But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

You already tried that. No one here listens to the political insights of donald trump.
 
2012-10-05 10:30:09 AM

incendi: publikenemy: Here's one source, there are many

Jerome Corsi is not a legitimate source for anything


Dafrkk..just google "actual unemplyed vs reported unemployed"...o noes, googles is racisy
 
2012-10-05 10:30:23 AM

publikenemy: cameroncrazy1984: publikenemy: Actual unemployed is significantly higher, so no point crowing over a couple of insignificant percentage points.

You know this...how? Have you talked to 150 million Americans? Please explain how you know better than the BLS.


Here's one source, there are many


Except that the U6 numbers are always higher. It's not significantly higher now than it ever has been. It remains constant. Look at the chart upthread.
 
2012-10-05 10:30:26 AM

publikenemy: cameroncrazy1984: publikenemy: Actual unemployed is significantly higher, so no point crowing over a couple of insignificant percentage points.

You know this...how? Have you talked to 150 million Americans? Please explain how you know better than the BLS.


Here's one source, there are many


LOL @ World Nut Daily
 
2012-10-05 10:30:36 AM

incendi: Giltric: how does 300k+ new jobless claims a week add up to a lower unemployment rate when you create only 100k jobs in a month.

Perhaps you can find your answer here since you seem deadset on ignoring the fact that multiple people have already answered that question in this very thread.


Wierd...your link claims the labor pool increased by 400k....but these 100k new jobs wound up lowering the unemployment rate.

Smells fishy.
 
2012-10-05 10:30:40 AM

mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:
Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Wall of crap

I don't cheer for crappy number just because they are a fraction less crappy than last months numbers. I also don't cheer for crappy numbers because they are less crappy than the last failure that was in office.

But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

In Canada we never blame low or high gas prices on the Government. We are less stupid that way.

In the United States some of know that when you intentionally drive up the cost of one or more forms of energy it effects the others. But keep telling yourself that.

So Obama is intentionally driving up the price of gas? Let me guess, by delaying the Keystone Pipeline? Please tell me that is not what you are seriously going to argue?


No, he's intentionally driving up the price of electricity. When one goes up they all are effected.
 
2012-10-05 10:30:41 AM

publikenemy: Dafrkk..just google "actual unemplyed vs reported unemployed"...o noes, googles is racisy


Are you drunk?
 
2012-10-05 10:30:47 AM

impaler: Brubold: GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.

Yeah if that unemployment number meant anything you'd have a point. The reason the number keeps inching down is because people keep dropping out of the work force because they can't find work. As Romney points out, the real number would be closer to 11% if that wasn't the case.

Then why is U6 dropping?

Dumbarse.


It hasn't dropped. It stayed at 14.7%.
 
2012-10-05 10:31:03 AM

torusXL: isnt the Jobless rate 100%?

Tim Cook sees what you did there.
 
2012-10-05 10:31:06 AM

Callous: Skleenar: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I'll need at least another anecdote before I can consider this "data"



JusticeandIndependence: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I sold my house for a 50K profit in September and bought a brand new one. Builder told me the bottom was reached earlier this year and his business is now booming again.

Anecdotal evidence how does it work?

Here's one...


From TFA: "For more information on the actual unemployment rate versus Obama administration statistics, read Jerome Corsi's Red Alert, the premium, online intelligence news source by the WND staff writer, columnist and author of "Where's the Birth Certificate?" and the "Where's the Real Birth Certificate?" e-book."

Yep, truly reliable source there, matey. I am convinced. My whole life up to this point has been a lie!
 
2012-10-05 10:31:09 AM

theknuckler_33: Troll, retarded, or wilfully ignorant? You decide.


No just Republican. Well same thing.
 
2012-10-05 10:31:17 AM

publikenemy: cameroncrazy1984: publikenemy: Actual unemployed is significantly higher, so no point crowing over a couple of insignificant percentage points.

You know this...how? Have you talked to 150 million Americans? Please explain how you know better than the BLS.


Here's one source, there are many


Nubian, you best be trolling.
 
2012-10-05 10:31:18 AM

theknuckler_33: I'm amazed at the number of right-wingers in here that have stated that people running out of unemployment benefits are not counted in the unemployment rate.

This is basic unemployment 101-type stuff and comes up repeatedly in every single monthly jobs report thread and every time they say it, a handful of people respond to them and point out the fallacy and the very next month, they come back and say the same damned shiat over again.

Troll, retarded, or wilfully ignorant? You decide.


The hilarious part is, if the number had gone up, every single one of these clowns would be in here crowing over them and holding them up as proof of Obama's failure...
 
2012-10-05 10:31:59 AM

Callous: In the United States some of know that when you intentionally drive up the cost of one or more forms of energy it effects the others.


What's being intentionally driven up? Gas demand in the US is down, oil production is up.

Other countries are driving the price of gas.
 
2012-10-05 10:32:06 AM
Any numbers that show the economy is doing well are fake liberal numbers designed to keep Real Americans out of office. The only real numbers show Fartbama is a commie America hating Muslin Kenyan atheist socialist commie Nazi.
 
2012-10-05 10:32:12 AM

publikenemy: cameroncrazy1984: publikenemy: Actual unemployed is significantly higher, so no point crowing over a couple of insignificant percentage points.

You know this...how? Have you talked to 150 million Americans? Please explain how you know better than the BLS.


Here's one source, there are many


Lol, World Net Daily. Hilarious. Good stuff, man. Good stuff.
 
2012-10-05 10:32:33 AM
 
2012-10-05 10:32:42 AM

urbangirl: But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

You already tried that. No one here listens to the political insights of donald trump.


I linked to a quote from Obama. Funny that you mistook it for Donald Trump.
 
2012-10-05 10:32:57 AM
www.tradingeconomics.com

It's almost like something put a floor on the decline in in growth, then juiced up economic performance by the last quarter of 2009 through 2010, but then went away. I wish I could figure out what that was.
 
2012-10-05 10:33:18 AM

incendi: publikenemy: Dafrkk..just google "actual unemplyed vs reported unemployed"...o noes, googles is racisy

Are you drunk?


Slightly, I'm on vacation at Disney, and it's only way to deal with it..I hate theme parkks..I can still googles tho
 
2012-10-05 10:34:06 AM

Callous: No, he's intentionally driving up the price of electricity. When one goes up they all are effected.


No.
 
2012-10-05 10:34:36 AM

Karma Curmudgeon: [www.tradingeconomics.com image 700x300]

It's almost like something put a floor on the decline in in growth, then juiced up economic performance by the last quarter of 2009 through 2010, but then went away. I wish I could figure out what that was.


Insufficient fiscal stimulus makes me sad.
 
2012-10-05 10:34:37 AM

RangerTaylor: Callous: Skleenar: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I'll need at least another anecdote before I can consider this "data"



JusticeandIndependence: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I sold my house for a 50K profit in September and bought a brand new one. Builder told me the bottom was reached earlier this year and his business is now booming again.

Anecdotal evidence how does it work?

Here's one...

From TFA: "For more information on the actual unemployment rate versus Obama administration statistics, read Jerome Corsi's Red Alert, the premium, online intelligence news source by the WND staff writer, columnist and author of "Where's the Birth Certificate?" and the "Where's the Real Birth Certificate?" e-book."

Yep, truly reliable source there, matey. I am convinced. My whole life up to this point has been a lie!


What the hell does that have to do with two idiots arguing about which of their anecdotes are more indicative of the housing market overall?
 
2012-10-05 10:34:59 AM

Karma Curmudgeon: [www.tradingeconomics.com image 700x300]

It's almost like something put a floor on the decline in in growth, then juiced up economic performance by the last quarter of 2009 through 2010, but then went away. I wish I could figure out what that was.


Tax cuts and increased abstinence-only sex education, obviously.
 
2012-10-05 10:35:03 AM
U6 is one of the most abused statistics ever devised. If you're not an economist, do my blood pressure a favor and never cite it for any reason ever again. Heck - if you're an economist but your specialty isn't labor, never cite it. My specialty isn't labor, so I never cite it. It's useful only in a very narrow set of analytic circumstances.

Look, it's going to be hard for some people to accept that the economy got better. No amount of anecdotal evidence to the contrary or amateur use of statistics you don't fully understand is going to change that.
 
2012-10-05 10:35:15 AM

Brubold: impaler: Brubold: GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.

Yeah if that unemployment number meant anything you'd have a point. The reason the number keeps inching down is because people keep dropping out of the work force because they can't find work. As Romney points out, the real number would be closer to 11% if that wasn't the case.

Then why is U6 dropping?

Dumbarse.

It hasn't dropped. It stayed at 14.7%.


Since Obama passed his first budget in October 2009, the U6 has dropped from 17.2% to 14.7%. So it has been dropping gradually.
 
2012-10-05 10:35:45 AM

bv2112: The rate might be down, but this is by no means a good job report. The labor force participation rate surely declined over this time period.


Hmm, if only that information were in TFA.

If only...
 
2012-10-05 10:35:46 AM

publikenemy: incendi: publikenemy: Dafrkk..just google "actual unemplyed vs reported unemployed"...o noes, googles is racisy

Are you drunk?

Slightly, I'm on vacation at Disney, and it's only way to deal with it..I hate theme parkks..I can still googles tho


The Googles, they do nothing for you.
 
2012-10-05 10:35:51 AM

mrshowrules:
If the media frenzy after the debate showed us anything, substantive points/arguments are meaningless. Facts are meaningless. Obama apparently needs to be more animated, stare at Romney intently and run his mouth like an idiot while appearing to be angry.


So sadly this. The debates have become a sideshow.
 
2012-10-05 10:35:59 AM
i.qkme.me
 
2012-10-05 10:36:11 AM

Ricardo Klement: U6 is one of the most abused statistics ever devised. If you're not an economist, do my blood pressure a favor and never cite it for any reason ever again. Heck - if you're an economist but your specialty isn't labor, never cite it. My specialty isn't labor, so I never cite it. It's useful only in a very narrow set of analytic circumstances.


See also:

You can't easily compare U6 changes to U3 because both numerator & denominator (labor force size) change when adding involuntary part-timers

- Mike Konczal (@rortybomb) October 5, 2012
 
2012-10-05 10:36:30 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: September jobs report: Debunking the jobs report conspiracy theories

Read up, haters!


The first sentence of that article sums it up perfectly: "We've hit that moment in the election when people begin to lose their minds." Don't like the data? IT MUST BE WITCHCRAFT!
 
2012-10-05 10:36:49 AM

impaler: TIKIMAN87: I AM UPSET THAT OUR ECONOMY IS RECOVERING!

It's isn't

Only on paper it is recovering.

Business failures say otherwise:
[growlersoftware.com image 808x1255]


can i have some of those cherries you're picking?

/i loves me some cherries.
 
2012-10-05 10:36:49 AM
Nate Silver has Obama all the way down to 97%.
 
2012-10-05 10:37:07 AM

publikenemy: Slightly, I'm on vacation at Disney, and it's only way to deal with it..I hate theme parkks..I can still googles tho


I think the actual drunkeness vs. reported drunkeness may be wider than anticipated here... sorry for your suffering, I'd be schlammered if I was at Disney too.
 
2012-10-05 10:37:17 AM
Silly Subby, you said that like it's a bad thing. The super wealthy can be unemployed and still buy us in a second.
 
2012-10-05 10:37:32 AM

Callous: RangerTaylor: Callous: Skleenar: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I'll need at least another anecdote before I can consider this "data"



JusticeandIndependence: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I sold my house for a 50K profit in September and bought a brand new one. Builder told me the bottom was reached earlier this year and his business is now booming again.

Anecdotal evidence how does it work?

Here's one...

From TFA: "For more information on the actual unemployment rate versus Obama administration statistics, read Jerome Corsi's Red Alert, the premium, online intelligence news source by the WND staff writer, columnist and author of "Where's the Birth Certificate?" and the "Where's the Real Birth Certificate?" e-book."

Yep, truly reliable source there, matey. I am convinced. My whole life up to this point has been a lie!

What the hell does that have to do with two idiots arguing about which of their anecdotes are more indicative of the housing market overall?


Well, apparently the derp IS effecting me, as I quoted the wrong post. Sorry man, my fault!
 
2012-10-05 10:37:34 AM

publikenemy: cameroncrazy1984: publikenemy: Actual unemployed is significantly higher, so no point crowing over a couple of insignificant percentage points.

You know this...how? Have you talked to 150 million Americans? Please explain how you know better than the BLS.


Here's one source, there are many


And this proves that your link is a lie.

Note that it includes a discussion of labor force participation rate, which captures how many people are not working for whatever reason.
 
2012-10-05 10:37:56 AM

FlashHarry: BeesNuts: You don't wanna go the way of a certain internet dentist, do you?

did phil finally get the boot? i ignored him a long while ago.

/threadjack
//thought U3 was 7.8 when obama took office. still,


He had to give up on that account or he was banned. I'm sure he still appears as this or that alt.

U3 was 7.6 when he took office on 1/20/09. This is only relevant to these clowns who have been braying on and on about unemployment for the last 4 years because they can't hang their hat on "Higher than 8%!" any more.

It's pathetic. When unemployment drops below 7.6 during the post halloween ramp up in retail, the line will change to "underemployment". If it's proven that the average pay for these jobs is higher than it has been for the last 5 years, the line will change to "you can't pay a guy to dig a hole and fill it in hurr durr." and we can fondly reminisce about the TARP debate and stimulus.
 
2012-10-05 10:38:04 AM

aedude01: OhioUGrad: Makes me wonder if Obama knew these on Wednesday night which is why he was so chill and not like the angry old man.

I could be wrong, but I don't think he has access to the numbers till about 10hours before their release. So whatever happened on Wed. night wasn't related to this.


I wasn't sure how early he had access......but he did seem really relaxed.....so I thought that might be why (not that he did so poorly, just why he seemed laid back)
 
2012-10-05 10:38:14 AM

incendi: Giltric: how does 300k+ new jobless claims a week add up to a lower unemployment rate when you create only 100k jobs in a month.

Perhaps you can find your answer here since you seem deadset on ignoring the fact that multiple people have already answered that question in this very thread.


The answer to that question is quite simple. The 114K new jobs figure is the NET number of jobs created from the previous month. That might mean that 1,114,000 new hires occurred for the month while 1,000,000 lost a job. That is why new jobless claims can be 300+K per week and still have a drop in unemployment.

It is depressing that some people are so ignorant to what these financial/economic reports represent.
 
2012-10-05 10:38:18 AM
Trollolololololololooooooo aaahahhahahahahahaha..I love campaign season
 
2012-10-05 10:39:05 AM

Ricardo Klement: U6 is one of the most abused statistics ever devised. If you're not an economist, do my blood pressure a favor and never cite it for any reason ever again. Heck - if you're an economist but your specialty isn't labor, never cite it. My specialty isn't labor, so I never cite it. It's useful only in a very narrow set of analytic circumstances.


Like making Obama look bad without contextualizing and providing the history of that rate and just holding it up against the U3 to give the impression that Obama has doubled the number of unemployed people?
 
2012-10-05 10:39:13 AM

hdhale: I think that once enough people are convinced that Christmas season employment is the only work they are likely to get any time soon, and the only way their kids are going to see presents, suddenly taking a massive paycut to hop back into the workforce and unload boxes of Chinese goods at Walmart sounds pretty damn good.

For all you cheering right, will you be cursing Obama come January when the unemployment rate rises well above 8% again? Nah, you'll go back to mumbling about Bush again I'm sure, win or lose in November.


Since Bush put an unnecessary war, a giant new fed department, and 90k Iraqis on the federal payroll, and expanded Medicare, all on the national credit card...grumbling about the Bushtards will be appropriate for about three decades, at least.

Fiscal conservative, my ass.
 
2012-10-05 10:39:25 AM

urbangirl: But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

You already tried that. No one here listens to the political insights of donald trump.


plus he was talking about electricity, not gas.
 
2012-10-05 10:39:37 AM

Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:
Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Wall of crap

I don't cheer for crappy number just because they are a fraction less crappy than last months numbers. I also don't cheer for crappy numbers because they are less crappy than the last failure that was in office.

But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

In Canada we never blame low or high gas prices on the Government. We are less stupid that way.

In the United States some of know that when you intentionally drive up the cost of one or more forms of energy it effects the others. But keep telling yourself that.

So Obama is intentionally driving up the price of gas? Let me guess, by delaying the Keystone Pipeline? Please tell me that is not what you are seriously going to argue?

No, he's intentionally driving up the price of electricity. When one goes up they all are effected.


OMG. I checked the Internets. It is worse that I thought. Fartbongo s driving up electricity costs throughout the entire world.
 
2012-10-05 10:40:37 AM
November 07

Romney 67%
Obama 30%
Other Candidates 3%

Biggest ass-farking in American Political History.
Makes Jimmy Carter happy.
For once.

Then Romney will put his kittens on and proceed with the same policies the Protocols of the Elders of Foggy Bottom dictated to Obama and we're going to be farked to death.
 
2012-10-05 10:41:02 AM

RangerTaylor: Callous: RangerTaylor: Callous: Skleenar: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I'll need at least another anecdote before I can consider this "data"



JusticeandIndependence: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I sold my house for a 50K profit in September and bought a brand new one. Builder told me the bottom was reached earlier this year and his business is now booming again.

Anecdotal evidence how does it work?

Here's one...

From TFA: "For more information on the actual unemployment rate versus Obama administration statistics, read Jerome Corsi's Red Alert, the premium, online intelligence news source by the WND staff writer, columnist and author of "Where's the Birth Certificate?" and the "Where's the Real Birth Certificate?" e-book."

Yep, truly reliable source there, matey. I am convinced. My whole life up to this point has been a lie!

What the hell does that have to do with two idiots arguing about which of their anecdotes are more indicative of the housing market overall?

Well, apparently the derp IS effecting me, as I quoted the wrong post. Sorry man, my fault!


It happens to the best of us.
 
2012-10-05 10:41:05 AM

Thats No Moose: publikenemy: incendi: publikenemy: Dafrkk..just google "actual unemplyed vs reported unemployed"...o noes, googles is racisy

Are you drunk?

Slightly, I'm on vacation at Disney, and it's only way to deal with it..I hate theme parkks..I can still googles tho

The Googles, they do nothing for you.


Nicely played. Would laugh again. 
www.quizlaw.com
 
2012-10-05 10:41:09 AM

PunGent: .grumbling about the Bushtards will be appropriate for about three decades, at least.


Any 30-year bonds that were issued to help pay for that will have matured by then, so I'd say that's a fair time frame.
 
2012-10-05 10:41:35 AM

Clemkadidlefark: November 07

Romney 67%
Obama 30%
Other Candidates 3%

Biggest ass-farking in American Political History.
Makes Jimmy Carter happy.
For once.

Then Romney will put his kittens on and proceed with the same policies the Protocols of the Elders of Foggy Bottom dictated to Obama and we're going to be farked to death.


This post is like an encyclopedia of derp.
 
2012-10-05 10:41:40 AM
I blame Bush for this turnaround in employment rates.
 
2012-10-05 10:41:46 AM

mrshowrules: Since Obama passed his first budget in October 2009, the U6 has dropped from 17.2% to 14.7%. So it has been dropping gradually.


The U6 numbers over the last few years don't mean as much as implying the change of unemployment rate is between the U6 under Obama and the U3 under Bush and previous presidents because it proves Obama is the worst president ever.
 
2012-10-05 10:42:54 AM

sprawl15: When the U3 numbers start looking good, it's time to compare U6 numbers under Obama to U3 numbers under Bush.


Hasn't that already happened?
 
2012-10-05 10:43:07 AM
Obama is going down. Time for liberal leaches to start looking for a job and pay taxes.
 
2012-10-05 10:43:08 AM

mrshowrules: OMG. I checked the Internets. It is worse that I thought. Fartbongo s driving up electricity costs throughout the entire world.


History's Greatest Monster™
 
2012-10-05 10:43:09 AM

Bloody William: Ricardo Klement: U6 is one of the most abused statistics ever devised. If you're not an economist, do my blood pressure a favor and never cite it for any reason ever again. Heck - if you're an economist but your specialty isn't labor, never cite it. My specialty isn't labor, so I never cite it. It's useful only in a very narrow set of analytic circumstances.

Like making Obama look bad without contextualizing and providing the history of that rate and just holding it up against the U3 to give the impression that Obama has doubled the number of unemployed people?


It's abused during Republican administrations as much as it is in Democratic ones. I suspect the people who love U6 the most are the same people who hate our fiat currency and think that Quantitative Easing is the same as printing money.
 
2012-10-05 10:43:19 AM
rove.com
 
2012-10-05 10:43:55 AM
Conservatives are happy about this news right?

/lol
 
2012-10-05 10:43:56 AM

mrshowrules: Callous: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:
Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Wall of crap

I don't cheer for crappy number just because they are a fraction less crappy than last months numbers. I also don't cheer for crappy numbers because they are less crappy than the last failure that was in office.

But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

In Canada we never blame low or high gas prices on the Government. We are less stupid that way.


heh.
/*insert "o canada" here.
 
2012-10-05 10:43:59 AM

Bloody William: Like making Obama look bad without contextualizing and providing the history of that rate and just holding it up against the U3 to give the impression that Obama has doubled the number of unemployed people?


context:

i242.photobucket.com

source

republicans hate comparing apples to apples.
 
2012-10-05 10:44:16 AM

publikenemy: Trollolololololololooooooo aaahahhahahahahahaha..I love campaign season


They made an image describing you:

i1098.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 10:44:54 AM

legalgus: Obama is going down. Time for liberal leaches to start looking for a job and pay taxes.


I'm sorry. Yahoo! comments are the next door down.
 
2012-10-05 10:45:09 AM

mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:
Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Wall of crap

I don't cheer for crappy number just because they are a fraction less crappy than last months numbers. I also don't cheer for crappy numbers because they are less crappy than the last failure that was in office.

But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

In Canada we never blame low or high gas prices on the Government. We are less stupid that way.

In the United States some of know that when you intentionally drive up the cost of one or more forms of energy it effects the others. But keep telling yourself that.

So Obama is intentionally driving up the price of gas? Let me guess, by delaying the Keystone Pipeline? Please tell me that is not what you are seriously going to argue?

No, he's intentionally driving up the price of electricity. When one goes up they all are effected.

OMG. I checked the Internets. It is worse that I thought. Fartbongo s driving up electricity costs throughout the entire world.


Actually I quoted Obama himself. But hey if you got nothing else you can just keep denying that he said it.
 
2012-10-05 10:45:14 AM

legalgus: Obama is going down. Time for liberal leaches to start looking for a job and pay taxes.


Login: legalgus
Account created: 2012-09-28 23:46:02

buh-bye
 
2012-10-05 10:46:13 AM

barneyfifesbullet: EVERYBODY KNEW the number would be below 8% by the election.

Anyone that believes this report is an idiot.


Read the xkcd on faking the moon landing. If you can make fakes, why wait until now, and why not make an awesome fake report?
 
2012-10-05 10:46:48 AM

smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


Christ Almighty, if I had a house like that I'd walk away from it too. Are those nostrils?
 
2012-10-05 10:47:01 AM

Callous: Actually I quoted Obama himself. But hey if you got nothing else you can just keep denying that he said it.


are you still trying to conflate electricity with gasoline?
 
2012-10-05 10:48:48 AM

barneyfifesbullet: EVERYBODY KNEW the number would be below 8% by the election.

Anyone that believes this report is an idiot.


this is the perfect troll.

sentence one relies on the jobs report to make its point. sentence two says that the jobs report is false.

complete and total cognitive dissonance in the same breath. even romney can't do it this well. ladies and gentlemen, THAT'S how you troll.

10/10
 
2012-10-05 10:48:56 AM

Bloody William: mrshowrules: Since Obama passed his first budget in October 2009, the U6 has dropped from 17.2% to 14.7%. So it has been dropping gradually.

The U6 numbers over the last few years don't mean as much as implying the change of unemployment rate is between the U6 under Obama and the U3 under Bush and previous presidents because it proves Obama is the worst president ever.


Why stop there?

The U1 in January 2009 was 3.1% now the U6 under Obama is 14.7%. The U# has increased by 600% and the unemployment has increased by (14.7/3.1) or 474%.

It is worse than I thought.
 
2012-10-05 10:49:50 AM

keylock71: Lol... This thread is hilarious. Between yesterday and today, it seems like some folks around here are bipolar.


That word...
 
2012-10-05 10:50:07 AM

legalgus: Obama is going down. Time for liberal leaches to start looking for a job and pay taxes.


Account created: 2012-09-28 23:46:02

Hope the Romney campaign is paying you well.
 
2012-10-05 10:50:34 AM

impaler: Business failures say otherwise:
[growlersoftware.com image 808x1255]


Yeah, I'm sure "Madoff Investment Securities" is out of business because the economy is bad. That's some good evidence there Lou.

/And "Trump Entertainment Resorts?"
//A Trump Enterprise went bankrupts, so it must be a bad economy Tuesday
 
2012-10-05 10:51:11 AM

Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:
Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Wall of crap

I don't cheer for crappy number just because they are a fraction less crappy than last months numbers. I also don't cheer for crappy numbers because they are less crappy than the last failure that was in office.

But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

In Canada we never blame low or high gas prices on the Government. We are less stupid that way.

In the United States some of know that when you intentionally drive up the cost of one or more forms of energy it effects the others. But keep telling yourself that.

So Obama is intentionally driving up the price of gas? Let me guess, by delaying the Keystone Pipeline? Please tell me that is not what you are seriously going to argue?

No, he's intentionally driving up the price of electricity. When one goes up they all are effected.

OMG. I checked the Internets. It is worse that I thought. Fartbongo s driving up electricity costs throughout the entire world.

Actually I quoted Obama himself. But hey if you got nothing else you can just keep denying that he said it.


What quote? I don't see a quote. Do you mean your link to the an energy lobby website?
 
2012-10-05 10:51:16 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Clemkadidlefark: November 07

Romney 67%
Obama 30%
Other Candidates 3%

Biggest ass-farking in American Political History.
Makes Jimmy Carter happy.
For once.

Then Romney will put his kittens on and proceed with the same policies the Protocols of the Elders of Foggy Bottom dictated to Obama and we're going to be farked to death.

This post is like an encyclopedia of derp.


And you're the one with the word crazy in your fark handle.
 
2012-10-05 10:52:15 AM
So Obama took over during the worst recession since the great depression and managed to maintain unemployment at the same level after 4 years?

Praise Jesus! Obama is good!

This would be like Alabama fans celebrating that 4 years after Nick Saban took over for Mike Shula he had finally gotten the Crimson Tide back to 6-7, where Mike Shula had them. lulz, something tells me he wouldn't have kept his job.
 
2012-10-05 10:52:23 AM

legalgus: Obama is going down. Time for liberal leaches to start looking for a job and pay taxes.


3/10. Forgot to mention Welfare and food stamps.
 
2012-10-05 10:52:34 AM
Seasonally adjusted total employment, and change from previous month:


August 139,627
September 140,025 398
October 140,302 277
November 140,580 278
December 140,790 210
January 141,637 847
February 142,065 428
March 142,034 (31)
April 141,865 (169)
May 142,287 422
June 142,415 128
July 142,220 (195)
August 142,101 (119)
September 142,974 873

January, 2009 142,099


So, a net total of 875,000 jobs have been added on Obama's watch. Up until last month, the net total was 2,000.

Link
 
2012-10-05 10:53:46 AM

dr_blasto: cameroncrazy1984: Clemkadidlefark: November 07

Romney 67%
Obama 30%
Other Candidates 3%

Biggest ass-farking in American Political History.
Makes Jimmy Carter happy.
For once.

Then Romney will put his kittens on and proceed with the same policies the Protocols of the Elders of Foggy Bottom dictated to Obama and we're going to be farked to death.

This post is like an encyclopedia of derp.

And you're the one with the word crazy in your fark handle.


I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
 
2012-10-05 10:53:49 AM

Callous: RangerTaylor: Callous: Skleenar: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I'll need at least another anecdote before I can consider this "data"



JusticeandIndependence: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

I sold my house for a 50K profit in September and bought a brand new one. Builder told me the bottom was reached earlier this year and his business is now booming again.

Anecdotal evidence how does it work?

Here's one...

From TFA: "For more information on the actual unemployment rate versus Obama administration statistics, read Jerome Corsi's Red Alert, the premium, online intelligence news source by the WND staff writer, columnist and author of "Where's the Birth Certificate?" and the "Where's the Real Birth Certificate?" e-book."

Yep, truly reliable source there, matey. I am convinced. My whole life up to this point has been a lie!

What the hell does that have to do with two idiots arguing about which of their anecdotes are more indicative of the housing market overall?


Hey! I resemble that remark. I wasn't trying to prove anything other than you can't tell what the market is doing by a local anecdote. Mine was exactly opposite of his. So it means squat.
 
2012-10-05 10:54:29 AM

smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


Well, we should just chuck economic indicators and ask how things are in your neighborhood.

/idiot
 
2012-10-05 10:54:32 AM

legalgus: Obama is going down. Time for liberal leaches leeches to start looking for a job and pay taxes.


FTFY.
Not impressed by someone who couldn't win a 4th grade spelling bee.
 
2012-10-05 10:54:54 AM

legalgus: Obama is going down. Time for liberal leaches to start looking for a job and pay taxes.


I'm quoting you just so you can feel good about seeing yourself highlighted. You good now?
 
2012-10-05 10:54:56 AM

RelativeEase: So Obama took over during the worst recession since the great depression and managed to maintain unemployment at the same level after 4 years?

Praise Jesus! Obama is good!

This would be like Alabama fans celebrating that 4 years after Nick Saban took over for Mike Shula he had finally gotten the Crimson Tide back to 6-7, where Mike Shula had them. lulz, something tells me he wouldn't have kept his job.


Because the economy is exactly the same as college football. Brilliant analogy.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 10:55:18 AM

TIKIMAN87: DGS: TIKIMAN87: BULLS*IT

Wait, I don't see your previous post.. where's the BS? I usually know right where to find it when you're in a thread.

148k jobs created and the rate drops .3%?


There it is. I knew I could count on you!
 
2012-10-05 10:55:54 AM

smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


Are you seriously positing that because you have observed, in your little bubble, two mortgage foreclosures that is indicative of a worsening economy?

You seem to lack critical thinking skills.
 
2012-10-05 10:56:12 AM
Jack Welch accuses BLS of manipulating data, gets smacked down by former Bush spokesman

Link
 
2012-10-05 10:57:02 AM

FlashHarry: Callous: Actually I quoted Obama himself. But hey if you got nothing else you can just keep denying that he said it.

are you still trying to conflate electricity with gasoline?


If you don't understand how costs effect prices I'm not going waste my time explaining it to you.
 
2012-10-05 10:57:02 AM

RelativeEase: So Obama took over during the worst recession since the great depression and managed to maintain unemployment at the same level after 4 years?

Praise Jesus! Obama is good!

This would be like Alabama fans celebrating that 4 years after Nick Saban took over for Mike Shula he had finally gotten the Crimson Tide back to 6-7, where Mike Shula had them. lulz, something tells me he wouldn't have kept his job.


Because those are the same. An entire economy from one of the most powerful nations on earth vs. a college football team. Totally equal.
 
2012-10-05 10:58:24 AM
24.media.tumblr.com

But this man has a real economic plan: regulate Sesame Street!
 
2012-10-05 10:58:29 AM

Callous: FlashHarry: Callous: Actually I quoted Obama himself. But hey if you got nothing else you can just keep denying that he said it.

are you still trying to conflate electricity with gasoline?

If you don't understand how costs effect prices I'm not going waste my time explaining it to you.


If you don't understand the difference between "affect" and "effect" how are you going to figure out the difference between electricity and gasoline?
 
2012-10-05 10:58:40 AM

RelativeEase: So Obama took over during the worst recession since the great depression and managed to maintain unemployment at the same level after 4 years?

Praise Jesus! Obama is good!

This would be like Alabama fans celebrating that 4 years after Nick Saban took over for Mike Shula he had finally gotten the Crimson Tide back to 6-7, where Mike Shula had them. lulz, something tells me he wouldn't have kept his job.


I guess you never heard of trends.
 
2012-10-05 10:59:13 AM

barneyfifesbullet: EVERYBODY KNEW the number would be below 8% by the election.

Anyone that believes this report is an idiot.


So, everyone knew it would be below 8%...but we shouldn't believe the report that says it's below 8%.

There's a reason you're a charter member of the League of Fail.
 
2012-10-05 10:59:32 AM

mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:
Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Wall of crap

I don't cheer for crappy number just because they are a fraction less crappy than last months numbers. I also don't cheer for crappy numbers because they are less crappy than the last failure that was in office.

But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

In Canada we never blame low or high gas prices on the Government. We are less stupid that way.

In the United States some of know that when you intentionally drive up the cost of one or more forms of energy it effects the others. But keep telling yourself that.

So Obama is intentionally driving up the price of gas? Let me guess, by delaying the Keystone Pipeline? Please tell me that is not what you are seriously going to argue?

No, he's intentionally driving up the price of electricity. When one goes up they all are effected.

OMG. I checked the Internets. It is worse that I thought. Fartbongo s driving up electricity costs throughout the entire world.

Actually I quoted Obama himself. But hey if you got nothing else you can just keep denying that he said it.

What quote? I don't see a quote. Do you mean your link to the an energy lobby website?


On The Issues is not an energy lobby website and there is a direct quote.
 
2012-10-05 10:59:45 AM

legalgus: Obama is going down. Time for liberal leaches to start looking for a job and pay taxes.


collectorsshangri-la.com

RIP Cloris Leachman
 
2012-10-05 11:00:00 AM

cameroncrazy1984: RelativeEase: So Obama took over during the worst recession since the great depression and managed to maintain unemployment at the same level after 4 years?

Praise Jesus! Obama is good!

This would be like Alabama fans celebrating that 4 years after Nick Saban took over for Mike Shula he had finally gotten the Crimson Tide back to 6-7, where Mike Shula had them. lulz, something tells me he wouldn't have kept his job.

Because the economy is exactly the same as college football. Brilliant analogy.


I think it's a great analogy but he picked a crappy team. Think more Marshall and less Alabama. If a new coach was able to get the team to 6-6 or close 4 years after that plane crash, that would definitely be a GOOD THING.
 
2012-10-05 11:01:12 AM

Callous: FlashHarry: Callous: Actually I quoted Obama himself. But hey if you got nothing else you can just keep denying that he said it.

are you still trying to conflate electricity with gasoline?

If you don't understand how costs effect prices I'm not going waste my time explaining it to you.


Translation: You got nothing and you can't bother to defend your own argument because you think everything is self-evident or you're afraid it won't hold up to scrutiny.
 
2012-10-05 11:01:55 AM
Hehe, koolaid!!

114k jobs, not enough to keep up with population growth, 0.3% drop in unemployment all of a sudden?

Oh ya, majority of the new jobs are government jobs, go figure.

Morons, libs be it.
 
2012-10-05 11:02:10 AM

RelativeEase: So Obama took over during the worst recession since the great depression and managed to maintain unemployment at the same level after 4 years?


Uh... are you under the imperession that the great recession bottomed out at 7.8% unemployment?

reflectionsofarationalrepublican.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-05 11:02:43 AM

JusticeandIndependence: RelativeEase: So Obama took over during the worst recession since the great depression and managed to maintain unemployment at the same level after 4 years?

Praise Jesus! Obama is good!

This would be like Alabama fans celebrating that 4 years after Nick Saban took over for Mike Shula he had finally gotten the Crimson Tide back to 6-7, where Mike Shula had them. lulz, something tells me he wouldn't have kept his job.

Because those are the same. An entire economy from one of the most powerful nations on earth vs. a college football team. Totally equal.



Your right Obama took over one of the most powerful nations on earth during one of its worst economic periods. After four years of Obama progress, the unemployment rate is exactly where it was when he took office. Success!

So how exactly has Obama fixed what GWB had farked up so badly if unemployment is exactly the same as when he took office?
 
2012-10-05 11:03:12 AM

mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:
Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Wall of crap

I don't cheer for crappy number just because they are a fraction less crappy than last months numbers. I also don't cheer for crappy numbers because they are less crappy than the last failure that was in office.

But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

In Canada we never blame low or high gas prices on the Government. We are less stupid that way.

In the United States some of know that when you intentionally drive up the cost of one or more forms of energy it effects the others. But keep telling yourself that.

So Obama is intentionally driving up the price of gas? Let me guess, by delaying the Keystone Pipeline? Please tell me that is not what you are seriously going to argue?

No, he's intentionally driving up the price of electricity. When one goes up they all are effected.

OMG. I checked the Internets. It is worse that I thought. Fartbongo s driving up electricity costs throughout the entire world.

Actually I quoted Obama himself. But hey if you got nothing else you can just keep denying that he said it.

What quote? I don't see a quote. Do you mean your link to the an energy lobby website?


Here's a link to the video of him saying it. So I suppose in your book Youtube is now an energy lobby website too.
 
2012-10-05 11:03:48 AM

RelativeEase: So how exactly has Obama fixed what GWB had farked up so badly if unemployment is exactly the same as when he took office?


This is like asking how going uphill is different from going downhill if you're at the same elevation when you take a measurement.
 
2012-10-05 11:04:56 AM

Thunderpipes: Hehe, koolaid!!

114k jobs, not enough to keep up with population growth, 0.3% drop in unemployment all of a sudden?

Oh ya, majority of the new jobs are government jobs, go figure.

Morons, libs be it.


Yes, those of us who actually read the report are the morons here.
 
2012-10-05 11:05:38 AM

dumbobruni: Jack Welch accuses BLS of manipulating data, gets smacked down by former Bush spokesman

Link


Agreed. They work very hard to get the numbers right.
 
2012-10-05 11:05:52 AM
Even if the number was true, which it is not (it will be revised), fact that libs are wetting their pants over 7.8% unemployment, and huge drop in household income, shows how dumb people really are.
 
2012-10-05 11:06:00 AM

RelativeEase: So how exactly has Obama fixed what GWB had farked up so badly if unemployment is exactly the same as when he took office?


It's not going to stop at 7.8? It's going to keep dropping?
 
2012-10-05 11:06:23 AM

RelativeEase: JusticeandIndependence: RelativeEase: So Obama took over during the worst recession since the great depression and managed to maintain unemployment at the same level after 4 years?

Praise Jesus! Obama is good!

This would be like Alabama fans celebrating that 4 years after Nick Saban took over for Mike Shula he had finally gotten the Crimson Tide back to 6-7, where Mike Shula had them. lulz, something tells me he wouldn't have kept his job.

Because those are the same. An entire economy from one of the most powerful nations on earth vs. a college football team. Totally equal.


Your right Obama took over one of the most powerful nations on earth during at the beginning of one of its worst economic periods. After four years of Obama progress, the unemployment rate is exactly where it was when he took office. Success!

So how exactly has Obama fixed what GWB had farked up so badly if unemployment is exactly the same as when he took office?


Fixed your statement. Actually it's amazing to me that it only took this long to recover. I thought it would be longer no matter who took office. What was the unemployment rate in October of 2009?
 
2012-10-05 11:06:25 AM

Brubold: GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.

Yeah if that unemployment number meant anything you'd have a point. The reason the number keeps inching down is because people keep dropping out of the work force because they can't find work. As Romney points out, the real number would be closer to 11% if that wasn't the case.


If we just used your metric instead of the metric that's been used for the last 30 years, we'd see that we're all doomed.
 
2012-10-05 11:06:29 AM

Bloody William: Callous: FlashHarry: Callous: Actually I quoted Obama himself. But hey if you got nothing else you can just keep denying that he said it.

are you still trying to conflate electricity with gasoline?

If you don't understand how costs effect prices I'm not going waste my time explaining it to you.

Translation: You got nothing and you can't bother to defend your own argument because you think everything is self-evident or you're afraid it won't hold up to scrutiny.


Another one that doesn't understand costs and pricing.
 
2012-10-05 11:06:41 AM

Thunderpipes: Even if the number was true, which it is not (it will be revised), fact that libs are wetting their pants over 7.8% unemployment, and huge drop in household income, shows how dumb people really are.


Given that the last few jobs-added numbers have been revised upwards, you're right. Just not in the way that you intend.
 
2012-10-05 11:06:43 AM

randomjsa: Incidentally even if this is true, Obama has the worst record for jobs since WW2.


Why do you even bother?

Link

His record from one term is better than both of GW Bush's - who is the only president since WWII to see a net loss over his presidency.
 
2012-10-05 11:07:32 AM

sprawl15: RelativeEase: So how exactly has Obama fixed what GWB had farked up so badly if unemployment is exactly the same as when he took office?

This is like asking how going uphill is different from going downhill if you're at the same elevation when you take a measurement.


Also, not that I expect people, much less Republicans, to be honest about things but it is really idiotic to try to pin the jobs numbers on Obama "when he took office." First off, people try to pin the January numbers on Obama but presidents aren't even inaugurated until Jan 21st. But more so, no politician magically gets laws passed their first day in office and when you are talking about somethingl ike a stimulus it takes a while to take affect.

Looking at the charts, its easy to see that economy was in a tailspin, Obama came in and passed a stimulus which righted the ship when it took effect.
 
2012-10-05 11:07:37 AM

Thunderpipes: Oh ya, majority of the new jobs are government jobs, go figure.


Where does it say that in the BLS report?
 
2012-10-05 11:07:38 AM
Unemployment is up from 6.8% when Obama was elected to 7.8% today. With a high of 10% during Obama's tenure.
 
2012-10-05 11:07:48 AM

Thunderpipes: Even if the number was true, which it is not (it will be revised), fact that libs are wetting their pants over 7.8% unemployment, and huge drop in household income, shows how dumb people really are.


Are you asserting that more people employed is a bad thing?
 
2012-10-05 11:07:54 AM

Callous: Another one that doesn't understand costs and pricing.


Yes, you are. The fact that you steadfastly refuse to explain it is really telling.
 
2012-10-05 11:07:55 AM

Thunderpipes: Hehe, koolaid!!

114k jobs, not enough to keep up with population growth, 0.3% drop in unemployment all of a sudden?

Oh ya, majority of the new jobs are government jobs, go figure.

Morons, libs be it.


Liar.
 
2012-10-05 11:08:52 AM

Thunderpipes: Even if the number was true, which it is not (it will be revised)


most revisions have been upwards recently
 
2012-10-05 11:08:53 AM

Thunderpipes: Even if the number was true, which it is not (it will be revised), fact that libs are wetting their pants over 7.8% unemployment, and huge drop in household income, shows how dumb people really are.


Wetting pants? Nah, seeing progress. I think that is something everyone in America should be optimistic about. Took a long time to turn that Titanic of an economy crash around, but I think it's happening. Sorry you don't like it because your team is not in charge.
 
2012-10-05 11:08:54 AM
As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.
 
2012-10-05 11:09:45 AM

indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.


Apparently we are in the middle of fixing it.
 
2012-10-05 11:09:48 AM

indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.


Thanks for not caring so much you bothered to post!
 
2012-10-05 11:10:32 AM

RelativeEase: Unemployment is up from 6.8% when Obama was elected to 7.8% today. With a high of 10% during Obama's tenure.


haha, even more absurd, now people want to pin the months of Novemeber, December and January on Obama when he wasn't even president???

conservatives are getting desperate again.
 
2012-10-05 11:10:37 AM

RelativeEase: JusticeandIndependence: RelativeEase: So Obama took over during the worst recession since the great depression and managed to maintain unemployment at the same level after 4 years?

Praise Jesus! Obama is good!

This would be like Alabama fans celebrating that 4 years after Nick Saban took over for Mike Shula he had finally gotten the Crimson Tide back to 6-7, where Mike Shula had them. lulz, something tells me he wouldn't have kept his job.

Because those are the same. An entire economy from one of the most powerful nations on earth vs. a college football team. Totally equal.


Your right Obama took over one of the most powerful nations on earth during one of its worst economic periods. After four years of Obama progress, the unemployment rate is exactly where it was when he took office. Success!

So how exactly has Obama fixed what GWB had farked up so badly if unemployment is exactly the same as when he took office?


RelativeEase: JusticeandIndependence: RelativeEase: So Obama took over during the worst recession since the great depression and managed to maintain unemployment at the same level after 4 years?

Praise Jesus! Obama is good!

This would be like Alabama fans celebrating that 4 years after Nick Saban took over for Mike Shula he had finally gotten the Crimson Tide back to 6-7, where Mike Shula had them. lulz, something tells me he wouldn't have kept his job.

Because those are the same. An entire economy from one of the most powerful nations on earth vs. a college football team. Totally equal.


Your right Obama took over one of the most powerful nations on earth during one of its worst economic periods. After four years of Obama progress, the unemployment rate is exactly where it was when he took office. Success!

So how exactly has Obama fixed what GWB had farked up so badly if unemployment is exactly the same as when he took office?


No, you're right. He didn't do anything. Trend data means nothing (trending way down when Obama took office, stabilizing and trending up for several years). It's almost like you can evaluate absolutely everything with just two data points - what happens in between shouldn't figure in at all. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
2012-10-05 11:11:46 AM

indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.


Isn't Canadian unemployment almost exactly the same? (Google news says 7.4%)
 
2012-10-05 11:11:48 AM
Talk about being handed a gift after botching the debate.

Please don't freaking blow this.
 
2012-10-05 11:12:46 AM

indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.


As an American, who the hell asked you? Go steal some Maple Syrup.
 
2012-10-05 11:13:26 AM

Bill Frist: indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.

Isn't Canadian unemployment almost exactly the same? (Google news says 7.4%)


and free health care.
 
2012-10-05 11:13:43 AM

urbangirl: can i have some of those cherries you're picking?

/i loves me some cherries.


Excuse me? You want to accuse me of cherry picking?

Name one metric of the economy that isn't improving?
 
2012-10-05 11:13:49 AM

Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: mrshowrules: Callous: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram:
Must suck to be an American that's upset when the country receives good news. Where you depressed when OBL was killed too?

Wall of crap

I don't cheer for crappy number just because they are a fraction less crappy than last months numbers. I also don't cheer for crappy numbers because they are less crappy than the last failure that was in office.

But hey your guy is in office now so cheer that unemployment is down a fraction of a percent and ignore the staggering debt and deficit growth, household income falling, and energy prices skyrocketing "necessarily". It's clearly a great day for the country

In Canada we never blame low or high gas prices on the Government. We are less stupid that way.

In the United States some of know that when you intentionally drive up the cost of one or more forms of energy it effects the others. But keep telling yourself that.

So Obama is intentionally driving up the price of gas? Let me guess, by delaying the Keystone Pipeline? Please tell me that is not what you are seriously going to argue?

No, he's intentionally driving up the price of electricity. When one goes up they all are effected.

OMG. I checked the Internets. It is worse that I thought. Fartbongo s driving up electricity costs throughout the entire world.

Actually I quoted Obama himself. But hey if you got nothing else you can just keep denying that he said it.

What quote? I don't see a quote. Do you mean your link to the an energy lobby website?

On The Issues is not an energy lobby website and there is a direct quote.


There seem to be a few quotes there. Why don't you just post the quote if you think it is somehow significant?
 
2012-10-05 11:14:08 AM
If I was the White House I would just trot out the unadjusted payroll numbers since June. There are good reasons why we adjust these numbers and the added jobs associated with kids working during the summer would be much higher than the numbers reported over the last several months. The sad thing is that Jack Welch actually understands this. He just hopes you are too stupid to get it.
 
2012-10-05 11:14:20 AM

Thunderpipes: Even if the number was true, which it is not (it will be revised), fact that libs are wetting their pants over 7.8% unemployment, and huge drop in household income, shows how dumb people really are.


"In September, average hourly earnings for all employees on private nonfarm
payrolls rose by 7 cents to $23.58. Over the past 12 months, average hourly
earnings have risen by 1.8 percent. In September, average hourly earnings of
private-sector production and nonsupervisory employees increased by 5 cents
to $19.81."

Certainly not anything to crow over, but it is real, current data rather than the Fox News report about household incomes dropping since Obama took office (presumably what you were referring to) which ignores the trainwreck that was going on when he took office.

This story shows that the biggest drop occurred in 2010 (a direct result of the financial collapse) and was basically holding steady in 2011. I don't have any data for 2012 overall, but the paragraph above from the BLS jobs report seems to fly in the face of the 'huge drop in household incomes' talking point you probably were referring to.
 
2012-10-05 11:15:25 AM
 
2012-10-05 11:15:58 AM

Giltric: hugram: Giltric: I'm not sure using GDP or the DOW or weekly paychecks increasing is indicative of how the bottom 99% is doing.

95% of all income gains have gone to the top 1% according to a liberal in a different thread. Also 95% of the DOW is owned by the top 10% of the wealth in the US.

So if the top 1% and top 10% is making money the GDP will reflect that.....but it's not a good way to show how the bottom 90-99% is doing.

/but it's a great metric to fap too....like finding an old picture of your mom to fap to without realizing it is a picture of your mom when she was 16.

So you are saying that trickle down economics does not work?

No I'm questioning some of the charts you use and what they mean.

It seems in the Obama recovery...the rich are getting richer....the 99% are still dumpster diving for half eaten egg salad pannini sandwiches. 

how does 300k+ new jobless claims a week add up to a lower unemployment rate when you create only 100k jobs in a month.


We NETTED 100K jobs in the month.

Over 800K jobs were CREATED. It's just that about 700K jobs were lost.
 
2012-10-05 11:16:43 AM
i235.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 11:17:34 AM
Did you ever think that we would have people in America happy with breaking 8% unemployment?
 
2012-10-05 11:17:40 AM

DarnoKonrad: Time to start selling your scrap gold


I need it to trade for ammunition.
 
2012-10-05 11:17:56 AM
I love this time of election year. It's when you got a guy from the left, and a guy from the right. And any time either of them manage to tie their own shoe without face planting it is heralded as an act of genius and proof positive that we've picked the right guy. And they think the louder and longer they talk about what a stupendous event it was that people will start believing this reality they are trying to insert. Indeed they feel it is their doody to tell everyone that their guy just ripped your guy a new arse hole, forced him to poop in a bag, set it on their front porch on fire, and even after all that they still stomped it out. Each election I know it is coming, so you would think the joke gets old. It doesn't.
 
2012-10-05 11:19:17 AM

Xcott: Yeah, I'm sure "Madoff Investment Securities" is out of business because the economy is bad. That's some good evidence there Lou.


^^^ This is how morons argue.

If that was the only company on that list you might have a point. You still have to address the 100s of other companies.

Do you really want to pretend that vast majority on that list didn't go under because of a bad business during a recession?

Give me a farking break.
 
2012-10-05 11:19:55 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Did you ever think that we would have people in America happy with breaking 8% unemployment?


Yes? Or were you under some weird delusion that America has never had high unemployment and would never have it again?
 
GBB
2012-10-05 11:20:31 AM
NOTE: If you stop looking for a job, for whatever reasons, then you can't complain about not being counted as unemployed. You have effectivly proclaimed, "NO, I DON'T NEED, NOR WANT, A JOB!" If you want to be considered as unemployeed, look for a damn job.
 
2012-10-05 11:21:27 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Did you ever think that we would have people in America happy with breaking 8% unemployment?


After the great Republican recession, yes it is something to be happy about.
 
2012-10-05 11:21:31 AM

Deep Contact: Bill Frist: indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.

Isn't Canadian unemployment almost exactly the same? (Google news says 7.4%)

and free health care.


Plus the unemployment figure in Canada includes people on paid parental leave.
 
2012-10-05 11:22:43 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Did you ever think that we would have people in America happy with breaking 8% unemployment?


Yes and it will happen again......and again......and again.....
 
2012-10-05 11:22:56 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Did you ever think that we would have people in America happy with breaking 8% unemployment?


Yeah.

What I didn't expect was that people would be pissed about it.
 
2012-10-05 11:23:43 AM

AngryTeacher: Big Whoop! After Romney's butt-kicking of Obama in the debates, the freedom loving small businesses are hiring again because they know socialism is over.


Tell me about it! I work in the time travel industry and ever since the debate on Wednesday we have been hiring tons of people back in September. I've never seen anything like it.
 
2012-10-05 11:23:53 AM

Callous: Bloody William: Callous: FlashHarry: Callous: Actually I quoted Obama himself. But hey if you got nothing else you can just keep denying that he said it.

are you still trying to conflate electricity with gasoline?

If you don't understand how costs effect prices I'm not going waste my time explaining it to you.

Translation: You got nothing and you can't bother to defend your own argument because you think everything is self-evident or you're afraid it won't hold up to scrutiny.

Another one that doesn't understand costs and pricing.


Translation: You got nothing and you can't bother to defend your own argument because you think everything is self-evident or you're afraid it won't hold up to scrutiny.
 
2012-10-05 11:24:10 AM
meh Soon we'll be a 4G society

Gold
Guns
Gas
Girls
 
2012-10-05 11:25:16 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Did you ever think that we would have people in America happy with breaking 8% unemployment?


Coming down from 10+%, of course!

Liberals: "Good report. It shows that things are still headed in the right direction. More work to do, but the trend is positive."
Conservatives: "Stupid libs being all happy that unemployment dropped under 8%"

Did you ever think that we would have people in America being so deliberately obtuse as to ignore trends?
 
2012-10-05 11:26:15 AM
Whoever thought a couple percentage points could rile such anger. People are funny, at each others throats over the unemployment rate. You're a troll..you're lying..ive found it's better to just assume everything is a lie, and get drunk..and let the soggy chips fall where they may.

I forgot which president said it, but I sometimes wish there were an alien invasion to help pull the world together..but it'd only last till they were gone..but it'd be rewarding to see
 
2012-10-05 11:26:51 AM

Bill Frist: Yes? Or were you under some weird delusion that America has never had high unemployment and would never have it again?


I understand the history. And I'm sure that people coming out of the great depression were glad when we crossed back past 8%. However this jubilation is unwarranted and it sure as heck doesnt merit renewing President Obama's contract.
 
2012-10-05 11:27:15 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.

Thanks for not caring so much you bothered to post!


You're welcome. Because getting bent out of shape by a single post doesn't show your anxiety at all. Relax, have a cookie, vote. Again, hopefully you'll fix your government the way you want (either way).
 
2012-10-05 11:27:26 AM

bv2112: The rate might be down, but this is by no means a good job report. The labor force participation rate surely declined over this time period.


Read. The. farking. Article.

TFA literally said the exact opposite. Labor force participation is up.
 
2012-10-05 11:27:29 AM
i449.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 11:27:34 AM

publikenemy: Whoever thought a couple percentage points could rile such anger. People are funny, at each others throats over the unemployment rate. You're a troll..you're lying..ive found it's better to just assume everything is a lie, and get drunk..and let the soggy chips fall where they may.

I forgot which president said it, but I sometimes wish there were an alien invasion to help pull the world together..but it'd only last till they were gone..but it'd be rewarding to see


Cool story bro.
 
2012-10-05 11:27:40 AM

agsfark: White House, "It's important not to read too much into one monthly jobs report.



YOU SAID WHAT? DELETE THAT !


It isn't one month. It's three with the revisions to July and August .
 
2012-10-05 11:28:06 AM

FlashHarry: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

everybody i know has a job. unemployment must be at zero percent.

/farking anecdotal evidence. how does it work?


The unemployment rate at my work is 0%, everyone has a job!
 
2012-10-05 11:28:19 AM

star_topology: "No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by any candidate."



That's probably a notebook but keep on dreaming.
 
2012-10-05 11:28:22 AM
profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2012-10-05 11:28:26 AM

Tsam: barneyfifesbullet: EVERYBODY KNEW the number would be below 8% by the election.

Anyone that believes this report is an idiot.

Read the xkcd on faking the moon landing. If you can make fakes, why wait until now, and why not make an awesome fake report?


This xkcd
 
2012-10-05 11:28:30 AM

Tomahawk513: indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.

As an American, who the hell asked you? Go steal some Maple Syrup.


I did. I put it on some weed, placed that on a hockey puck in the middle of a bong filled with Tim Hortons double doube, and smoked all of it in my Igloo.
 
2012-10-05 11:28:54 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bill Frist: Yes? Or were you under some weird delusion that America has never had high unemployment and would never have it again?

I understand the history. And I'm sure that people coming out of the great depression were glad when we crossed back past 8%. However this jubilation is unwarranted and it sure as heck doesnt merit renewing President Obama's contract.


Then vote for the other guy. I'm sure his sound, carefully-crafted and well documented policies will help tremendously.
 
2012-10-05 11:28:56 AM

RelativeEase: So Obama took over during the worst recession since the great depression and managed to maintain unemployment at the same level after 4 years?

Praise Jesus! Obama is good!

This would be like Alabama fans celebrating that 4 years after Nick Saban took over for Mike Shula he had finally gotten the Crimson Tide back to 6-7, where Mike Shula had them. lulz, something tells me he wouldn't have kept his job.


Lulz, you just compared turning around a football team with turning around the biggest economy in the world.
 
2012-10-05 11:29:53 AM
FROM California TV http://www.ktla.com
the ONLY numbers that rally count in this election cycle::
Gas prices shot up 19.2 cents overnight Thursday, and the average price for a gallon of regular gasoline in L.A. County was $4.58 on Friday, the highest figure since 2008.
In Orange County, the average is up 20 cents to $4.53,while in the Inland Empire, it's up to $4.48. In Ventura County, the average price per gallon is $4.54.
The price increases could continue for weeks and the average might even break the $5 mark, according to experts.
 
2012-10-05 11:30:56 AM

hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram: Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

--All kinds of awesome deleted--


Can you put all this on a webpage/blog somewhere so I can link to it?
 
2012-10-05 11:30:59 AM

indarwinsshadow: Tomahawk513: indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.

As an American, who the hell asked you? Go steal some Maple Syrup.

I did. I put it on some weed, placed that on a hockey puck in the middle of a bong filled with Tim Hortons double doube, and smoked all of it in my Igloo.


Well played, I laughed.

/Come on NHL, I need a hockey fix!
 
2012-10-05 11:31:14 AM

RocketRay: FlashHarry: smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.

everybody i know has a job. unemployment must be at zero percent.

/farking anecdotal evidence. how does it work?

The unemployment rate at my work is 0%, everyone has a job!


Ours is actually -2.4% because we have some job openings.
 
2012-10-05 11:31:46 AM
If there is anything that this thread proves, it is that hyper-partisans are the most ill-informed and gullible of our citizenry.
 
2012-10-05 11:32:21 AM
 
2012-10-05 11:32:33 AM

Tomahawk513: indarwinsshadow: Tomahawk513: indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.

As an American, who the hell asked you? Go steal some Maple Syrup.

I did. I put it on some weed, placed that on a hockey puck in the middle of a bong filled with Tim Hortons double doube, and smoked all of it in my Igloo.

Well played, I laughed.

/Come on NHL, I need a hockey fix!


Me too. Bettmans dragging his ass. I've been going to more local games OHL though.
 
2012-10-05 11:32:55 AM

swangoatman: FROM California TV http://www.ktla.com
the ONLY numbers that rally count in this election cycle::
Gas prices shot up 19.2 cents overnight Thursday, and the average price for a gallon of regular gasoline in L.A. County was $4.58 on Friday, the highest figure since 2008.
In Orange County, the average is up 20 cents to $4.53,while in the Inland Empire, it's up to $4.48. In Ventura County, the average price per gallon is $4.54.
The price increases could continue for weeks and the average might even break the $5 mark, according to experts.


Thanks for that. What does that have to do with unemployment?
 
2012-10-05 11:33:03 AM

Callous: Here's a link to the video of him saying it. So I suppose in your book Youtube is now an energy lobby website too.


Oh that one. The one where he accidentally said "necessarily skyrocket" instead of "not necessarily skyrocket".

You see, you would never use the term "necessarily" that way. "Necessarily" the term is never used in the affirmative sense. It is always used with the qualifier "not" proceeding it.

If you deliberately used the term in the affirmative sense, you would necessarily be developmentally challenged.
 
2012-10-05 11:33:03 AM

indarwinsshadow: Tomahawk513: indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.

As an American, who the hell asked you? Go steal some Maple Syrup.

I did. I put it on some weed, placed that on a hockey puck in the middle of a bong filled with Tim Hortons double doube, and smoked all of it in my Igloo.


Man, your jean jacket is going to smell like weed for weeks.
 
2012-10-05 11:33:36 AM

kronicfeld: Biff_Steel: Momma Grizzly said 0bummer is about to be floored by a big scandal. Anybody know anything about this?

Joe Arpaio found some of three-year-old Barack Obama's refrigerator art, depicting a stick figure - identified as "DAAD" - with SIX fingers, proving that Obama is really the illegitimate son of Count Rugen, born in Florin, and thus not eligible for the Presidency.


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
For the record, it's Florrum and I'm not his Father.
 
2012-10-05 11:33:58 AM

NateGrey: publikenemy: Whoever thought a couple percentage points could rile such anger. People are funny, at each others throats over the unemployment rate. You're a troll..you're lying..ive found it's better to just assume everything is a lie, and get drunk..and let the soggy chips fall where they may.

I forgot which president said it, but I sometimes wish there were an alien invasion to help pull the world together..but it'd only last till they were gone..but it'd be rewarding to see

Cool story bro.


Drinking and walking through Disney for a week leads to mind rot and passive thoughts with vivid daydreams
 
2012-10-05 11:35:32 AM

theknuckler_33: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Did you ever think that we would have people in America happy with breaking 8% unemployment?

Coming down from 10+%, of course!

Liberals: "Good report. It shows that things are still headed in the right direction. More work to do, but the trend is positive."
Conservatives: "Stupid libs being all happy that unemployment dropped under 8%"

Did you ever think that we would have people in America being so deliberately obtuse as to ignore trends?


Context, any context, is to be avoided.
 
2012-10-05 11:35:56 AM
"Either the Federal Reserve, which has its fingers on the pulse of every element of the economy, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics manufacturing survey report are grievously wrong or the number used to calculate the unemployment rate are wrong, or worse manipulated. Given that these numbers conveniently meet Obama's campaign promises one month before the election, the conclusions are obvious."
 
2012-10-05 11:36:57 AM

publikenemy: NateGrey: publikenemy: Whoever thought a couple percentage points could rile such anger. People are funny, at each others throats over the unemployment rate. You're a troll..you're lying..ive found it's better to just assume everything is a lie, and get drunk..and let the soggy chips fall where they may.

I forgot which president said it, but I sometimes wish there were an alien invasion to help pull the world together..but it'd only last till they were gone..but it'd be rewarding to see

Cool story bro.

Drinking and walking through Disney for a week leads to mind rot and passive thoughts with vivid daydreams


I know when I am on vacation I like to troll political threads.

You should probably look closely at your life.
 
2012-10-05 11:37:16 AM

Uncle Eazy: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram: Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

--All kinds of awesome deleted--

Can you put all this on a webpage/blog somewhere so I can link to it?


check your email...
 
2012-10-05 11:37:33 AM

tony41454: "Either the Federal Reserve, which has its fingers on the pulse of every element of the economy, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics manufacturing survey report are grievously wrong or the number used to calculate the unemployment rate are wrong, or worse manipulated. Given that these numbers conveniently meet Obama's campaign promises one month before the election, the conclusions are obvious."


Which rightwing site are you quoting from this time?

A Sarah Palin tweet perhaps?
 
2012-10-05 11:37:52 AM

NateGrey: Mitt Romney Cheats At Debate


Unless that piece of paper had a magic Mormon spell cursing Obama's true name to make him noncommittal and boring, I have serious problems giving a shiat.
 
2012-10-05 11:38:42 AM

tony41454: "Either the Federal Reserve, which has its fingers on the pulse of every element of the economy, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics manufacturing survey report are grievously wrong or the number used to calculate the unemployment rate are wrong, or worse manipulated. Given that these numbers conveniently meet Obama's campaign promises one month before the election, the conclusions are obvious."


Yes, the obvious conclusion is that whoever said that didn't read the report.
 
2012-10-05 11:39:39 AM

JusticeandIndependence: swangoatman: FROM California TV http://www.ktla.com
the ONLY numbers that rally count in this election cycle::
Gas prices shot up 19.2 cents overnight Thursday, and the average price for a gallon of regular gasoline in L.A. County was $4.58 on Friday, the highest figure since 2008.
In Orange County, the average is up 20 cents to $4.53,while in the Inland Empire, it's up to $4.48. In Ventura County, the average price per gallon is $4.54.
The price increases could continue for weeks and the average might even break the $5 mark, according to experts.

Thanks for that. What does that have to do with unemployment?


Also, who is the arbiter that decides that these are the only numbers that count?
 
2012-10-05 11:42:22 AM

JusticeandIndependence: swangoatman: FROM California TV JusticeandIndependence: swangoatman: FROM California TV http://www.ktla.com
the ONLY numbers that rally count in this election cycle::
Gas prices shot up 19.2 cents overnight Thursday, and the average price for a gallon of regular gasoline in L.A. County was $4.58 on Friday, the highest figure since 2008.
In Orange County, the average is up 20 cents to $4.53,while in the Inland Empire, it's up to $4.48. In Ventura County, the average price per gallon is $4.54.
The price increases could continue for weeks and the average might even break the $5 mark, according to experts.

Thanks for that. What does that have to do with unemployment?

Here's the funny part.

Headline: Jump in Gas Prices Triggers Shortages in Some Areas

Story: Gas prices jumped overnight, etc, etc. "Refinery and pipeline mishaps, along with the state's strict pollution limits are all, in part, to blame. They've sent wholesale prices soaring to all-time highs this week.

One of the disruptions involved a power outage on Monday at the Exxon Mobil plant in Torrance, which normally produces 150 millions barrels of gas per day.

Additionally, Chevron's Richmond plant, the largest refinery in Northern California, has been running at reduced capacity since a fire Aug. 6.

At the same time, California refineries have dropped production in recent weeks in anticipation of switching over to a "winter blend" of gasoline, which emits more pollutants, next month."

So, the headline is exactly the opposite of the story. Incredible.

But, cearly the local price increases in southern California are Obama's fault.

 
2012-10-05 11:42:39 AM

Tomahawk513: indarwinsshadow: Tomahawk513: indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.

As an American, who the hell asked you? Go steal some Maple Syrup.

I did. I put it on some weed, placed that on a hockey puck in the middle of a bong filled with Tim Hortons double doube, and smoked all of it in my Igloo.

Well played, I laughed.

/Come on NHL, I need a hockey fix!


It's just depressing... I've resigned myself to following the AHL this season.

Go P-Bruins!
 
2012-10-05 11:43:34 AM
Ugh... html fail.
 
2012-10-05 11:44:09 AM

The Muthaship: That many joined the "not trying to find a job anymore' rolls?


Temp Christmas help is counted every year when added. Not counted in January when they are fired. Standard numbers manipulation both parties run every year.
 
2012-10-05 11:44:15 AM

GoGoGadgetLiver: AngryTeacher: Big Whoop! After Romney's butt-kicking of Obama in the debates, the freedom loving small businesses are hiring again because they know socialism is over.

Tell me about it! I work in the time travel industry and ever since the debate on Wednesday we have been hiring tons of people back in September. I've never seen anything like it.


And August. The employment numbers in August were corrected massively upward. We gained double the number of net jobs originally reported.

My anecdotal evidence (talking to my employer and a local employment agency) it seems like in this area at least the economy is booming. I suspect that as long as stocks stay up construction will skyrocket next year (there's a lot of pent-up demand) and in turn the economy will look great, no matter who wins.
 
2012-10-05 11:44:36 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: However this jubilation is unwarranted and it sure as heck doesnt merit renewing President Obama's contract.


It certainly does if you take a look at his opponent.
 
2012-10-05 11:46:50 AM

keylock71: Tomahawk513: indarwinsshadow: Tomahawk513: indarwinsshadow: As a Canadian, let me say. I don't care. You broke your country. You fix it. Good luck Americans.

As an American, who the hell asked you? Go steal some Maple Syrup.

I did. I put it on some weed, placed that on a hockey puck in the middle of a bong filled with Tim Hortons double doube, and smoked all of it in my Igloo.

Well played, I laughed.

/Come on NHL, I need a hockey fix!

It's just depressing... I've resigned myself to following the AHL this season.

Go P-Bruins!


Heading up to Peoria to catch a BluesRivermen game in two weeks. They moved 25 players there, so I figure I'll just ignore the jerseys.

I've seen a few practicing at a rink I used to play at. They can't practice at their "official" practice rink because of the lockout, and they can't wear any of their gear at the rink they are practicing at, so you see a bunch of NHLers with their official practice jerseys turned inside out, skating at this podunk rink in the middle of nowhere.

/csb
 
2012-10-05 11:47:19 AM
To all the people screaming "government conspiracy": wouldn't it be nice if there was an independent, private bootstrappy source of data that could tell you how many jobs were created or lost? Well I have good news -- there is!

Link

Oh wait, that says we gained 162,000 jobs in September -- 48,000 MORE than the BLS says.

/suck it
 
2012-10-05 11:47:25 AM

tkwasny: The Muthaship: That many joined the "not trying to find a job anymore' rolls?

Temp Christmas help is counted every year when added. Not counted in January when they are fired. Standard numbers manipulation both parties run every year.


Here's a guy who doesn't understand what "seasonally-adjusted" means.
 
2012-10-05 11:48:05 AM

tkwasny: The Muthaship: That many joined the "not trying to find a job anymore' rolls?

Temp Christmas help is counted every year when added. Not counted in January when they are fired. Standard numbers manipulation both parties run every year.


wrong
 
2012-10-05 11:48:51 AM

NateGrey: publikenemy: NateGrey: publikenemy: Whoever thought a couple percentage points could rile such anger. People are funny, at each others throats over the unemployment rate. You're a troll..you're lying..ive found it's better to just assume everything is a lie, and get drunk..and let the soggy chips fall where they may.

I forgot which president said it, but I sometimes wish there were an alien invasion to help pull the world together..but it'd only last till they were gone..but it'd be rewarding to see

Cool story bro.

Drinking and walking through Disney for a week leads to mind rot and passive thoughts with vivid daydreams

I know when I am on vacation I like to troll political threads.

You should probably look closely at your life.


Ok if you were sitting in your room waiting for you're 3 yr old to wake up and eat and get ready to go, would you not peruse Fark? Am i supposed to arrange the free bottles of shampoo and conditioner to kill time?
 
2012-10-05 11:50:25 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Nate Silver has Obama all the way down to 97%.


Media: "It's a Horserace!"
 
2012-10-05 11:51:39 AM

publikenemy: Ok if you were sitting in your room waiting for you're 3 yr old to wake up and eat and get ready to go, would you not peruse Fark?


I would wake them up and force them to eat. Give them a 30 minute deadline, and yell at them the whole time to hurry up. Use a belt if necessary. It's your role as a parent to motivate your crotchfruit so they can grow up and live in an America that can't even remember Obama.
 
2012-10-05 11:51:49 AM

publikenemy: Drinking and walking through Disney for a week leads to mind rot and passive thoughts with vivid daydreams


A WEEK? Isn't that how crazed gunmen are created? Be careful, man. If you feel yourself starting to snap, go in the bathroom and take some deep breaths. Leave the gun outside.
 
2012-10-05 11:52:50 AM

cryinoutloud: publikenemy: Drinking and walking through Disney for a week leads to mind rot and passive thoughts with vivid daydreams

A WEEK? Isn't that how crazed gunmen are created? Be careful, man. If you feel yourself starting to snap, go in the bathroom and take some deep breaths. Leave the gun outside.


I'd suggest banging the princesses
 
2012-10-05 11:52:50 AM

publikenemy: Am i supposed to arrange the free bottles of shampoo and conditioner to kill time?


You could just lurk and spare us.
 
2012-10-05 11:55:12 AM

cameroncrazy1984: tkwasny: The Muthaship: That many joined the "not trying to find a job anymore' rolls?

Temp Christmas help is counted every year when added. Not counted in January when they are fired. Standard numbers manipulation both parties run every year.

Here's a guy who doesn't understand what "seasonally-adjusted" means.


It means his guy is in trouble and he's here to spin like he's the only player on Wheel of Fortune.
 
2012-10-05 11:55:41 AM

Epoch_Zero: Heading up to Peoria to catch a BluesRivermen game in two weeks. They moved 25 players there, so I figure I'll just ignore the jerseys.

I've seen a few practicing at a rink I used to play at. They can't practice at their "official" practice rink because of the lockout, and they can't wear any of their gear at the rink they are practicing at, so you see a bunch of NHLers with their official practice jerseys turned inside out, skating at this podunk rink in the middle of nowhere.

/csb


Cool... Unfortunately, the Bruins don't have a lot of players with two-way contracts, so there won't be too many making their way down to the AHL. The P-Bruins were pretty shiatty last season, but at least some of the recruits will be getting a little ice time.

P-Bruins recent open practice was packed, apparently.

I'm just thankful Providence is 20 minutes away, so I'll still get to watch live professional hockey without much effort... and the tickets are a lot cheaper than Bruins' tickets. Beer's cheaper at the Dunk, too.

Trying to keep it positive. : )
 
2012-10-05 11:55:53 AM

Girion47: cryinoutloud: publikenemy: Drinking and walking through Disney for a week leads to mind rot and passive thoughts with vivid daydreams

A WEEK? Isn't that how crazed gunmen are created? Be careful, man. If you feel yourself starting to snap, go in the bathroom and take some deep breaths. Leave the gun outside.

I'd suggest banging the princesses


Double-bag it with Belle. Trust me.
 
2012-10-05 11:56:05 AM

barneyfifesbullet: EVERYBODY KNEW the number would be below 8% by the election.

Anyone that believes this report is an idiot.


And anyone who doesn't believe this report actually believes that hundreds of people of both political stripes would risk their jobs, their careers, and jail time in order to present a fake number that only presents a picture of the economy that is only slightly less shiatty than it was before, but still shiatty.
 
2012-10-05 11:56:08 AM

Thunderpipes: 114k jobs, not enough to keep up with population growth


The number I've heard recently for population growth is 150k. So it's not a huge number of people on top of that but it's positive growth. This is good news.
 
2012-10-05 11:56:15 AM

RelativeEase: Unemployment is up from 6.8% when Obama was elected to 7.8% today. With a high of 10% during Obama's tenure.


When elected?? Now that's a new tack for the GOP ship of fools. How about blaming Obama for unemployment from the time he decided to run for office in 2007?

Look, Recession is a word that means something. According to the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research (the official arbiter of U.S. recessions) the recession began in December 2007 and ended in June 2009. The damage was all on Bush's watch.

Obama's stimulus quickly increased the GDP growth rate but GDP growth eased off when the money ran out. The GDP has been steadily positive since 2011 largely because of the actions of the Federal Reserve. The Republicans have effectively obstructed almost all attempts at positive fiscal policy. Reduced interest rates and the payroll tax holiday have allowed folks to get out their high mortgage payments and they have some extra money to spend. That increases demand, employers hire more workers and the virtuous cycle keeps rolling on.
 
2012-10-05 11:56:16 AM
This thread...

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2012-10-05 11:56:52 AM
What is crazy, is the groups that have the worst employment numbers, worship the Messiah more than ever. Recent college grads, minorities, etc.

Thank you Sir may I have another!
 
2012-10-05 11:58:18 AM

Thunderpipes: What is crazy, is the groups that have the worst employment numbers, worship the Messiah more than ever. Recent college grads, minorities, etc.

Thank you Sir may I have another!


Christians?
 
2012-10-05 11:58:43 AM

Thunderpipes: What is crazy, is the groups that have the worst employment numbers, worship the Messiah more than ever. Recent college grads, minorities, etc.

Thank you Sir may I have another!


Oh Thunderpipes ... I forgot I took you off ignore, you magnificent bastard. How goes it in EverythingSucksAndIsGloomyLand?
 
2012-10-05 12:00:58 PM

seadoo2006: Thunderpipes: What is crazy, is the groups that have the worst employment numbers, worship the Messiah more than ever. Recent college grads, minorities, etc.

Thank you Sir may I have another!

Oh Thunderpipes ... I forgot I took you off ignore, you magnificent bastard. How goes it in EverythingSucksAndIsGloomyLand?


Good, I will clear 150k this year. Not quite the 1%, but my taxes sure feel like it.

Note, the drop in unemployment suddenly, that portion is really based on the household survey, which somehow magically came up with 800k+ people returning to work? I call sauce, so do most economists. Number is simply wrong.
 
MFL
2012-10-05 12:01:02 PM
Two days after getting beat like a government mule in a debate we all knew the boys from chicago were going to pull something....

Everyone and their brother new the whitehouse was going to manipulate unemployment numbers below 8% before election day, I just thought they were going to save this card until closer to the election.

If you aren't skeptical of these numbers you are either a partisan hack or a fool.

I can't wait for the next debate.
 
2012-10-05 12:01:24 PM

JusticeandIndependence: swangoatman: FROM California TV http://www.ktla.com
the ONLY numbers that rally count in this election cycle::
Gas prices shot up 19.2 cents overnight Thursday, and the average price for a gallon of regular gasoline in L.A. County was $4.58 on Friday, the highest figure since 2008.
In Orange County, the average is up 20 cents to $4.53,while in the Inland Empire, it's up to $4.48. In Ventura County, the average price per gallon is $4.54.
The price increases could continue for weeks and the average might even break the $5 mark, according to experts.

Thanks for that. What does that have to do with unemployment?


It's the impact that it will have on PRESENT and FUTURE numbers, regardless of how wonderful the past three months may "indicate".
A crop fire today is far more impacting on tomorrow than a rain storm last week when recovering from a drought.
PS. You appear to be a little sensitive. It' Friday ,lighten up Francis.
 
2012-10-05 12:01:50 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bill Frist: Yes? Or were you under some weird delusion that America has never had high unemployment and would never have it again?

I understand the history. And I'm sure that people coming out of the great depression were glad when we crossed back past 8%. However this jubilation is unwarranted and it sure as heck doesnt merit renewing President Obama's contract.


I love this line of thinking.

"The economy isn't 100% recovered from the greatest economic collapse since the Great Depression, and the blatant, unrelenting obstruction of Congressional Republicans didn't help. Let's reward the GOP for their intransigence and go back to the policies that caused the collapse in the first place."

What the fark is wrong with you? What possible reasons could you have for this being a good idea?
 
2012-10-05 12:02:29 PM

hugram: Uncle Eazy: hugram: Callous: hugram: mrshowrules: hugram: Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

--All kinds of awesome deleted--

Can you put all this on a webpage/blog somewhere so I can link to it?

check your email...


Could you send that along to me too? I need to educate my parents, and this would be a very useful tool.

Thanks...
 
2012-10-05 12:03:04 PM
This is classic!

Conn Carroll, a senior writer at the conservative Washington Examiner suggested a slightly less nefarious form of manipulation of the data.

"I don't think BLS cooked numbers. I think a bunch of Dems lied about getting jobs. That would have same effect," he tweeted. "Would love to see the partisan breakdown of the 873,000 Americans who say they got new jobs."


i3.kym-cdn.com

"Payroll reporting does not work that way!"

You heard it here first, people. Apparently, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEMOCRATS formed companies and then added themselves to the payrolls of those companies that report to the Labor Department.

They just went full retard. Time for popcorn!
 
2012-10-05 12:03:26 PM

tkwasny: Temp Christmas help is counted every year when added. Not counted in January when they are fired.


Actually they're not counted when added or fired.

It's called "seasonally adjusted."
 
2012-10-05 12:03:35 PM

Thunderpipes: so do most economists


What? When did this happen?
 
2012-10-05 12:04:30 PM

Lando Lincoln: The Stealth Hippopotamus: However this jubilation is unwarranted and it sure as heck doesnt merit renewing President Obama's contract.

It certainly does if you take a look at his opponent.


I think it does period. The data over the summer was mixed, but this (along with the previous month's adjustment) really shows that our economy has mostly recovered (except new housing construction). New housing is a lagging indicator, so I think Obama's done enough to merit renewing his contract regardless of his opponent.
 
2012-10-05 12:04:52 PM

MFL: If you aren't skeptical of these numbers you are either a partisan hack or a fool.


The numbers are only correct if they are bad news for the country and Obama.
 
2012-10-05 12:04:58 PM

Jackpot777: This is classic!

Conn Carroll, a senior writer at the conservative Washington Examiner suggested a slightly less nefarious form of manipulation of the data.

"I don't think BLS cooked numbers. I think a bunch of Dems lied about getting jobs. That would have same effect," he tweeted. "Would love to see the partisan breakdown of the 873,000 Americans who say they got new jobs."

[i3.kym-cdn.com image 320x240]

"Payroll reporting does not work that way!"

You heard it here first, people. Apparently, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEMOCRATS formed companies and then added themselves to the payrolls of those companies that report to the Labor Department.

They just went full retard. Time for popcorn!


Household survey very much factors in to the numbers, they don't actually survey 800,000 people you know.
 
2012-10-05 12:05:07 PM

Thunderpipes: Even if the number was true, which it is not (it will be revised), fact that libs are wetting their pants over 7.8% unemployment, and huge drop in household income, shows how dumb people really are.


I know it has been mentioned, but since you are an idiot, we need to really drive it home...the last 2 job reports have been revised upward (higher job creation than initially reported)

/your tears sustain me
//waaaah this was supposed to be Romney's week!
 
2012-10-05 12:05:13 PM

Thunderpipes: I call sauce, so do most economists. Number is simply wrong.


Well, I'm sure that'll wrap up the right-wing conspiracy theorist vote for Romney. He really need to get those back into his column. Well done!
 
2012-10-05 12:06:32 PM

MFL: Two days after getting beat like a government mule in a debate we all knew the boys from chicago were going to pull something....

Everyone and their brother new the whitehouse was going to manipulate unemployment numbers below 8% before election day, I just thought they were going to save this card until closer to the election.

If you aren't skeptical of these numbers you are either a partisan hack or a fool.


WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!!!
 
2012-10-05 12:06:38 PM

MFL: Two days after getting beat like a government mule in a debate we all knew the boys from chicago were going to pull something....

Everyone and their brother new the whitehouse was going to manipulate unemployment numbers below 8% before election day, I just thought they were going to save this card until closer to the election.

If you aren't skeptical of these numbers you are either a partisan hack or a fool.

I can't wait for the next debate.


So Romney is a fool and all the other Conservatives accepting the figure but arguing the numbers should be even lower are fools?
 
2012-10-05 12:07:08 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: I think it does period. The data over the summer was mixed, but this (along with the previous month's adjustment) really shows that our economy has mostly recovered (except new housing construction). New housing is a lagging indicator, so I think Obama's done enough to merit renewing his contract regardless of his opponent.


Even new housing has been trending upwards, but slowly.
 
2012-10-05 12:07:41 PM

MFL: Two days after getting beat like a government mule in a debate we all knew the boys from chicago were going to pull something....

Everyone and their brother new the whitehouse was going to manipulate unemployment numbers below 8% before election day, I just thought they were going to save this card until closer to the election.

If you aren't skeptical of these numbers you are either a partisan hack or a fool.

I can't wait for the next debate.


Speaking of partisan hacks and fools...

Feel free to explain of they "manipulated" the numbers... Some evidence would be good, too.
 
2012-10-05 12:07:53 PM

CNBC spends all day trusting folks who missed the Bush crash. But they just aren't sure about these jobs numbers.

- LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) October 5, 2012
 
2012-10-05 12:08:58 PM

MFL: Everyone and their brother new the whitehouse was going to manipulate unemployment numbers below 8% before election day


Everyone "knew" that except those who actually know the whitehouse doesn't control these figures.

Dumbarse.
 
2012-10-05 12:09:17 PM

Thunderpipes: Jackpot777: This is classic!

Conn Carroll, a senior writer at the conservative Washington Examiner suggested a slightly less nefarious form of manipulation of the data.

"I don't think BLS cooked numbers. I think a bunch of Dems lied about getting jobs. That would have same effect," he tweeted. "Would love to see the partisan breakdown of the 873,000 Americans who say they got new jobs."

[i3.kym-cdn.com image 320x240]

"Payroll reporting does not work that way!"

You heard it here first, people. Apparently, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEMOCRATS formed companies and then added themselves to the payrolls of those companies that report to the Labor Department.

They just went full retard. Time for popcorn!

Household survey very much factors in to the numbers, they don't actually survey 800,000 people you know.


Ah, the Dems just happened to get to a statistically significant number of the people that were going to be asked.

That was lucky of them. Wasn't it.

i301.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 12:09:23 PM

swangoatman: JusticeandIndependence: swangoatman: FROM California TV http://www.ktla.com
the ONLY numbers that rally count in this election cycle::
Gas prices shot up 19.2 cents overnight Thursday, and the average price for a gallon of regular gasoline in L.A. County was $4.58 on Friday, the highest figure since 2008.
In Orange County, the average is up 20 cents to $4.53,while in the Inland Empire, it's up to $4.48. In Ventura County, the average price per gallon is $4.54.
The price increases could continue for weeks and the average might even break the $5 mark, according to experts.

Thanks for that. What does that have to do with unemployment?

It's the impact that it will have on PRESENT and FUTURE numbers, regardless of how wonderful the past three months may "indicate".
A crop fire today is far more impacting on tomorrow than a rain storm last week when recovering from a drought.
PS. You appear to be a little sensitive. It' Friday ,lighten up Francis.


So, local disruptions and intentional slowdowns in refining production leading to local spikes in gas prices in blue-as-blue-can-be California, is going to sway the election?

Okie-dokie.
 
2012-10-05 12:10:03 PM

theknuckler_33: JusticeandIndependence: swangoatman: FROM California TV JusticeandIndependence: swangoatman:
So, the headline is exactly the opposite of the story. Incredible.

But, cearly the local price increases in southern California are Obama's fault.


I never said it was anybodies fault.
I said the numbers that really count or matter. Most everyone pays for gas daily or weekly.
The Networks and Cable are making it sound as though this is a national trend and will continue for "weeks".
That is THESE are the real daily figures that people who vote see flashing in their eyes as the debate turns to "who pissed on who's feet and what is that thing Mitt is carrying and why Obama look scared" talk that goes on in politically partisan threads." Also I am the sole judge of what matters to me in my posts, so f*ck you.
 
2012-10-05 12:11:45 PM

Thunderpipes: Household survey very much factors in to the numbers, they don't actually survey 800,000 people you know.


The blue line, the household survey, is always WAY more volatile.

static2.businessinsider.com

Link
 
2012-10-05 12:13:20 PM
ORLY??

If you count those that are frustrated with this failing economy and have stopped looking for a job, the unemployment rate is over 11%.


sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-10-05 12:14:42 PM

someonelse: Dusk-You-n-Me: September jobs report: Debunking the jobs report conspiracy theories

Read up, haters!

The first sentence of that article sums it up perfectly: "We've hit that moment in the election when people begin to lose their minds." Don't like the data? IT MUST BE WITCHCRAFT!


i265.photobucket.com
You called?
 
2012-10-05 12:15:34 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tkwasny: The Muthaship: That many joined the "not trying to find a job anymore' rolls?

Temp Christmas help is counted every year when added. Not counted in January when they are fired. Standard numbers manipulation both parties run every year.

Here's a guy who doesn't understand what "seasonally-adjusted" means.


Here's a guy that believes what the govt tells them. Good sheep.
 
2012-10-05 12:17:48 PM
PS: the so called "local gas event" in California has let to a 7 cent rise in gas here in SC since Wednesday. We do not have a mandated winter blend infusion as Cali does either. I guess it must be the "speculators" at it again.
Economics and Micro and Maco impacts. Go read your Economics for Idiots book again.
 
2012-10-05 12:18:35 PM

vegasj: ORLY??

If you count those that are frustrated with this failing economy and have stopped looking for a job, the unemployment rate is over 11%.


[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x600]


Sorry ... I refused to actually believe that 1 in 10 people truly cannot find a job. I think it's more 1 in 10 people are too fraking lazy to go get a job or have too high of standards to work a job they think is "beneath them". I mean, seriously, I've been continually employed since I was 9 years old ... this isn't that difficult, people!

MickeyDs and The BK Lounge are ALWAYS hiring and, I know, but $7.50/hr is better than $0/hr. Get off your arse, get back to work, and shut the fark up. I pull home a high-five-figure salary every year and if I lost my job, I'd be working the next day somewhere.
 
2012-10-05 12:19:11 PM
"But this doesn't count people that have given up looking for employment," says the group of people who believe in personal accountability.

Conservatives are so quick to go from, "Lazy people are a drain on society," to, "What about all the people that've given up?" when it suits them.
 
2012-10-05 12:21:07 PM
If you honestly don't think these job numbers are manipulated (and they are every month), then I've got some Florida real estate for you.
 
2012-10-05 12:21:41 PM
A true jobs creator could go down to the unemployment office and find a few hot ladies to take off the line for a few hours so the numbers could drop. OR maybe the fact that teachers aids are being hired is the same thing?
 
2012-10-05 12:22:21 PM

swangoatman: The Networks and Cable are making it sound as though this is a national trend and will continue for "weeks".


They might want to check oil prices.

The last 2 years
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The last 50 days
growlersoftware.com
 
2012-10-05 12:23:25 PM

swangoatman: theknuckler_33: JusticeandIndependence: swangoatman: FROM California TV JusticeandIndependence: swangoatman:
So, the headline is exactly the opposite of the story. Incredible.

But, cearly the local price increases in southern California are Obama's fault.

I never said it was anybodies fault.
I said the numbers that really count or matter. Most everyone pays for gas daily or weekly.
The Networks and Cable are making it sound as though this is a national trend and will continue for "weeks".
That is THESE are the real daily figures that people who vote see flashing in their eyes as the debate turns to "who pissed on who's feet and what is that thing Mitt is carrying and why Obama look scared" talk that goes on in politically partisan threads."


You don't know what you are talking about and outside southern california and perhaps some other local spots, noone is talking about gas prices spikes going on for weeks.

Oil is down 10% since a month ago and down a smidge again today. (click the "3m" link on that page to see the 3 month trend. Oil is down since beginning of September... which usually happens after the summer.).

Retail gas is down nationwide. Granted, not much, but down about 6-7 cents since last month which corresponds nicely with the drop in oil.

Maybe you live in southern california and if you do, the situation there regarding gas prices does suck, but it is hardly a reflection of what is going on across the nation.

Also I am the sole judge of what matters to me in my posts, so f*ck you.

Aww, that's cute.
 
2012-10-05 12:23:46 PM

tony41454: If you honestly don't think these job numbers are manipulated (and they are every month), then I've got some Florida real estate for you.


I don't like the numbers so they must not be true.

See also: polling numbers, climate change, voter fraud

Today's GOP lives and operates in a completely separate reality. But we should totally take them Very Seriously.
 
2012-10-05 12:23:48 PM
Link

Actual BLS report. Magically, 600,000 people got off their butts in the household survey (not the establishment, the business survey) in one month. This is simply not true, and yes, likely anyone who wants Obama to win is making crap up when surveyed.

numbers are terrible any way you look at it. The fact you guys are drooling over cooked books 7.8% unemployment with decreased wages and 50% un or underemployed recent college grads is full on retard.
 
2012-10-05 12:24:49 PM

Thunderpipes: Actual BLS report. Magically, 600,000 people got off their butts in the household survey (not the establishment, the business survey) in one month. This is simply not true, and yes, likely anyone who wants Obama to win is making crap up when surveyed.

numbers are terrible any way you look at it. The fact you guys are drooling over cooked books 7.8% unemployment with decreased wages and 50% un or underemployed recent college grads is full on retard.


Today's GOP lives and operates in a completely separate reality. But we should totally take them Very Seriously.
 
2012-10-05 12:24:50 PM

mrshowrules: Brubold: impaler: Brubold: GAT_00: So unemployment is now lower than when he took office. There go a swarm of GOP talking points.

Yeah if that unemployment number meant anything you'd have a point. The reason the number keeps inching down is because people keep dropping out of the work force because they can't find work. As Romney points out, the real number would be closer to 11% if that wasn't the case.

Then why is U6 dropping?

Dumbarse.

It hasn't dropped. It stayed at 14.7%.

Since Obama passed his first budget in October 2009, the U6 has dropped from 17.2% to 14.7%. So it has been dropping gradually.


Well if we're talking about since he got into office, yeah. I thought we were talking about this latest drop to 7.8% and what it represents.
 
2012-10-05 12:24:52 PM

vegasj: ORLY??

If you count those that are frustrated with this failing economy and have stopped looking for a job, the unemployment rate is over 11%.


[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x600]


That is really good news because the "real" unemployment rate in June of 2010 was 17.3%.
 
2012-10-05 12:27:09 PM

swangoatman: PS: the so called "local gas event" in California has let to a 7 cent rise in gas here in SC since Wednesday. We do not have a mandated winter blend infusion as Cali does either. I guess it must be the "speculators" at it again.
Economics and Micro and Maco impacts. Go read your Economics for Idiots book again.


O'RLY?
 
2012-10-05 12:27:11 PM

smitty04: [images.businessweek.com image 600x350] 
Two houses within two blocks of me are in foreclosure, people are just walking away from them. The economy seems to be getting worse.


Yes, your anecdote, coupled with a stock photo, definitely override professionally prepared reports upon which the financial system base their actions.

Moron.
 
2012-10-05 12:27:21 PM

Spade: Lost Thought 00: Spade: I have a question:

So we added 114,000 jobs.
But the number of unemployed people dropped by 456,000.

So, what happened to the other 342,000 people that aren't unemployed but apparently didn't get jobs?

They retired

I guess all those 401ks and other retirement investments that have tanked over the past few years have come roaring back then?


Have you seen the stock market lately? My protfolio is higher than the begining of the recession.
 
2012-10-05 12:28:02 PM

seadoo2006: Sorry ... I refused to actually believe that 1 in 10 people truly cannot find a job

.

Well, depends what you mean by people... but U5, which includes "discouraged workers" is under 10 percent. Only U6, which includes people that are part time but desire and are available for full time work, is over 10 percent.

I think it's more 1 in 10 people are too fraking lazy to go get a job or have too high of standards to work a job they think is "beneath them". I mean, seriously, I've been continually employed since I was 9 years old ... this isn't that difficult, people!

I'm not gonna call you a liar... but continually employed since you were nine? I'm guessing those first few were jobs that probably wouldn't show up in the gov't employment numbers.

MickeyDs and The BK Lounge are ALWAYS hiring and, I know, but $7.50/hr is better than $0/hr. Get off your arse, get back to work, and shut the fark up.

Apparently, about 582,000 people did that. And that's why the headline number dropped.
 
2012-10-05 12:29:32 PM

theknuckler_33: swangoatman: PS: the so called "local gas event" in California has let to a 7 cent rise in gas here in SC since Wednesday. We do not have a mandated winter blend infusion as Cali does either. I guess it must be the "speculators" at it again.
Economics and Micro and Maco impacts. Go read your Economics for Idiots book again.

O'RLY?


Well, that lnk didn't work. But you can get to South Carolina's state average from there and you can also go to South Carolina's various metro areas. None of them show a spike at all from yesterday or last week.
 
2012-10-05 12:30:00 PM

seadoo2006: vegasj: ORLY??

If you count those that are frustrated with this failing economy and have stopped looking for a job, the unemployment rate is over 11%.


[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x600]

Sorry ... I refused to actually believe that 1 in 10 people truly cannot find a job. I think it's more 1 in 10 people are too fraking lazy to go get a job or have too high of standards to work a job they think is "beneath them". I mean, seriously, I've been continually employed since I was 9 years old ... this isn't that difficult, people!

MickeyDs and The BK Lounge are ALWAYS hiring and, I know, but $7.50/hr is better than $0/hr. Get off your arse, get back to work, and shut the fark up. I pull home a high-five-figure salary every year and if I lost my job, I'd be working the next day somewhere.


Because it's more lucrative to collect unemployment and search for a better paying job than to take one at minimum wage? Opportunity costs, my friend.
 
2012-10-05 12:31:04 PM

Hermione_Granger: I'm very critical supporter of President of Obama, mainly because I think the Republicans are just plain slave masters in training. But even I can do simple math.

When Obama became President, unemployment bottomed out at around 16%. He said he would get it to 6%. Every week I watch the Sunday morning bobblehead shows and they're all like

- unemployment is still over 10% - OMG!! WHARGARBLE!!1111!
- unemployment is still over 9% - The President is lying scum.
- unemployment is still over 8.6% - the sky is falling, Obama has not kept his promise!
- unemployment is at 8.45 - The President is full of shiat.
- unemployment is at 8% - why can't this President get it together? What is his problem? He's not working for the economy at all!

Now that unemployment is at 7.8%, I expect their heads are just gonna explode and they're going to declare him an unpatriotic traitor who hates America....

....oh wait


First, the President has NEVER said he would get unemployment to 6%. Ever. That little tidbit can from an economic analysis that said the stimulus MIGHT get