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(Al Jazeera)   "The reason for Netanyahu's retreat is the demonstration of unexpectedly strong pushback against Netanyahu's antics by President Barack Obama. And that could be the best news on the Iran nuclear issue in many years"   (aljazeera.com) divider line 53
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2012-10-05 08:30:31 AM  
Yeah Obama might do okay with the Middle East, but what does it say about the true fibre of this man when he couldn't even beat Mitt Romney in a debate?
 
2012-10-05 08:49:10 AM  
If Israel wants military intervention to stop Iran, then Israel can do it itself.
 
2012-10-05 08:51:23 AM  
It's not widely known, but in the first few months after he got Bo, President Obama was really struggling to deal with the fact that the dog was a chronic carpet wetter. He'd wet the carpet in the oval office, the hallway outside the oval office, Joe Biden's office, the press corps briefing room (he was particularly fond of wetting in there). Everywhere, basically. Obama was at the end of his rope, literally.He's got this farking dog, a dog he only got because he promised his daughters on a national stage in front of the entire country that he'd get it for them. He hates dogs, really; in his native culture, dogs are seen as vermin. A highly placed official at NSA tells the story of a late night meeting at the White House in the early spring where the topic was Mr. Obama wanting to explore "scenarios" by which Bo might be eliminated without causing undue suspicion...their working idea was that Bo would accompany Mr. Obama on a surprise visit to Afghanistan and then "accidentally" escape into the mountains, where he would presumably be captured by Taliban forces and eaten. But that plan was nixed when officials realized that, should the Taliban recognize Bo when they found him, it might become a politically embarrassing issue for the president.

The problem was solved when the Dog Whisperer was -- quietly -- brought in. He said to the president, "Look, I don't normally advocate any sort of violence against dogs. And that's not really what I'm going to advocate for you. But sometimes, a negative dissociation can be very effective. May I?" And he stepped over to the president's desk and took a copy of the daily briefing, which was sort of a big deal but Obama let that slide. And he rolled up the daily briefing into a tube and said, "The next time Bo wets, smack him on the nose and say NO. Always carry this rolled up paper with you, and every time he does it, smack him again and say NO. Be very firm. He'll be surprised at first, but he'll change his behavior. You may not realize it, but his wetting is deliberate. It's a power play. He's pushing boundaries, and you need to push back."

Well, Obama didn't think it would work. But he tried it the first time, and Bo looked surprised and whimpered and went running to Michelle. The second time, Bo barked. But -- and here's the really amazing part -- there wasn't a third time. The habit died there.

This all was, incidentally, very shortly before Obama's first meeting with Netanyahu. Draw whatever inferences you wish.
 
2012-10-05 09:30:08 AM  
Pocket Ninja - on top of his game, as always.
 
2012-10-05 09:33:36 AM  

Pocket Ninja: This all was, incidentally, very shortly before Obama's first meeting with Netanyahu. Draw whatever inferences you wish.


You magnificent bastard. :D
 
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2012-10-05 09:38:36 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: Yeah Obama might do okay with the Middle East, but what does it say about the true fibre of this man when he couldn't even beat Mitt Romney in a debate?


He can beat him in an election.
 
2012-10-05 09:46:08 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's not widely known...


Flawless Victory
 
2012-10-05 10:31:59 AM  
 
2012-10-05 11:02:13 AM  

Pocket Ninja: This all was, incidentally, very shortly before Obama's first meeting with Netanyahu. Draw whatever inferences you wish.


Now somebody needs to photoshop that meeting to show Obama with a roll of paper in his hand...
 
2012-10-05 11:08:28 AM  
Barack Obama, history's greatest Hitler.
 
2012-10-05 11:28:03 AM  
Pocket Ninja:


I liked where that was going.
 
2012-10-05 11:52:17 AM  

Pocket Ninja: This all was, incidentally, very shortly before Obama's first meeting with Netanyahu. Draw whatever inferences you wish.


Good shiat.
 
2012-10-05 12:07:25 PM  
"So listen here, Benji. It looks like we're going to be able to get what we want just fine without bombing them. The economic warfare is working and will collapse them just fine with none of the direct messy consequences. We don't really give a fark about the nukes they don't have and aren't building, and they'll stop selling oil for currencies other than dollars just like all our other good little middle eastern vassal states. Take a hike; it's not like they were ever actually a real threat, anyway."
 
2012-10-05 12:09:16 PM  
This is a pretty do or die election for that lobby. An Obama win reveals huge limits to their power.
 
2012-10-05 12:10:29 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: This is a pretty do or die election for that lobby. An Obama win reveals huge limits to their power.


Theres still congress and money.
 
2012-10-05 12:12:27 PM  

Party Boy: HotWingConspiracy: This is a pretty do or die election for that lobby. An Obama win reveals huge limits to their power.

Theres still congress and money.


They failed to leverage congress to get their red line. They're either being lazy about this or losing influence.
 
2012-10-05 12:18:06 PM  
Is Israel wants a war, let them deal with it themselves.
 
2012-10-05 12:21:26 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: They failed to leverage congress to get their red line. They're either being lazy about this or losing influence.


Bibi was leveraging Obama for the red line.

Congress, by and large the more common avenue here, was recently leveraged for the sanctions - over the objections of the white house.

For this recent event, recall -
Repost from Jan - Feb
January 15, 2012
You have an Obama administration who, just recently, expended a chunk of political capital on releasing oil from the strategic oil reserves to drive down prices to help boost the economy. In come the AIPAC sanctions, and Obama pleads to ease the impact of the penalties to avoid driving up oil prices. He loses. Oil prices go up over the nonsense that occurs afterwards, negatively affecting the US economy. Bonus? China Gets Cheaper Iran Oil as U.S. Pays for Hormuz Patrols. A varied group of other people, with the run up to the Iraq war fresh on their minds, arent too happy with this and with the televison media coverage. One example of this is from Robert Baer and Engel on Matthews. Baer is one of the very respected experts in the area. Another is from U.S. defense leaders that are increasingly concerned that Israel is preparing to take military action against Iran, over U.S. objections, and have stepped up contingency planning to safeguard U.S. facilities in the region in case of a conflict (fark doesn't like WSJ links, just google that sentence).

JTA
J Street has a dependable cadre of 40-50 members of the U.S. House of Representatives ready to heed its voting recommendations. Congressional insiders say J Street's green light in December for Iran sanctions nudged the bill from the super majority that traditional lobbying by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee usually turns out to officially "overwhelming": 412-12. That sent the Obama administration a clear message to hurry it on up, the insiders say.

NPR Dec 2011
The powerful pro-Israel lobby and a leading Jewish advocacy group on Wednesday endorsed tough sanctions on Iran's Central Bank as Congress wrestles with an Obama administration plea to ease the impact of the penalties to avoid driving up oil prices.

In a letter to lawmakers, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee said the sanctions would contribute to the U.S. effort to pressure Tehran economically and could dissuade Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon. Separately, the American Jewish Committee wrote to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta backing the penalties that would target foreign financial institutions that do business with the Central Bank.

Last week, the Senate voted 100-0 for an amendment by Sens. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., and Bob Menendez, D-N.J., to add the sanctions to a broad defense bill. House and Senate negotiators are meeting this week to try to iron out the differences between their respective bills and produce a final version of the legislation for President Barack Obama's signature.


NJ Jewish News
Menendez said their opposition undermined a compromise he struck with Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) on legislation that was eventually passed in the Senate by a vote of 100-0.

The White House countered that the Kirk-Menendez amendment could actually help the Iranian economy if foreign banks resisted American unilateral efforts.

This week Menendez stood by his approach on sanctions, which he developed in consultation with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

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2012-10-05 12:21:36 PM  
Did I get in before the derp of "Obama is a coward because he wont drop to his knees before Israel and go to war with Iran" yet?

Some people might see growing a spine and setting terms to Isreal, not from them, is bold. Of course for everything person that thinks like that there is another using it as evidence of his mooslem sympathies 'just like he said in that one book'.

I had this happen with my father last month and I was floored. I asked what about BO does he dislike so much. He's a 'Muslim Sympathizer' he responds. I asked where this thought comes from and responds that it is from his book, literally word for word in his book. I search the quote and indeed the word Muslim and sympathy were involved. I read the whole thing in context to my dad, who is a nominally intelligent man, and it states basically that if American Muslims were being persecuted he would support them. When I began reading it to him, my father's eyes seemed grow distant and when I stopped they refocused and joined the planet again. I said to him that you realize that he is speaking of full born US citizens with the same rights and protections you have? His response was "Muslim Sympathizer!"

Sorry for the Un-CSB
 
2012-10-05 12:21:37 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Party Boy: HotWingConspiracy: This is a pretty do or die election for that lobby. An Obama win reveals huge limits to their power.

Theres still congress and money.

They failed to leverage congress to get their red line. They're either being lazy about this or losing influence.


Yeah that was an interesting part of the article. Maybe Congress just assumed that Obama would play along.
 
2012-10-05 12:22:04 PM  
I was going to post some points about Israel's military capabilities, etc. But Pocket Ninja stole the show. Well done sir.
 
2012-10-05 12:26:00 PM  
And I am sure this will all be reported thusly by Wolf Blitzer and his treacherous ilk.
 
2012-10-05 12:27:08 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Maybe Congress just assumed that Obama would play along.




Bibi has gotten quite extreme for some traditional supporters. Its not as if Obama is not holding a position thats antagonistic to Israel. Obama has the backing of a whole slew of the right people in the US. This aint 1992 where you have an open break from the executive branch.
 
2012-10-05 12:27:10 PM  

Larofeticus: "So listen here, Benji. It looks like we're going to be able to get what we want just fine without bombing them. The economic warfare is working and will collapse them just fine with none of the direct messy consequences. We don't really give a fark about the nukes they don't have and aren't building, and they'll stop selling oil for currencies other than dollars just like all our other good little middle eastern vassal states. Take a hike; it's not like they were ever actually a real threat, anyway."


That's Obama. Here's the "response" from Tel Aviv (or Jerusalem, or Haifa...) to Bibi's sabre-rattling:
"Bibi, WTF? We have bigger problem domestically and with the countries that actually border us than we do with Iran. Let's make sure Egypt doesn't explode, killing Eilat with shrapnel before we fly a thousand miles to start WWIII - with pretty much ZERO support from anyone, including the US - because you don't like the way Ahmadinejad talks about your Momma. Besides which, perhaps you don't understand the concept of 'bluster'. Iran's having to lash out because someone aimed a diarrhea chute at every fan in that country. Chillax, bro." (The Hebrew sounds much more forceful, and I omitted the hand gestures, the yelling, the personal insults, the jokes about how cray-cray America can be, and the awesome smell of shawarma.)

Let's not ask the Haredis what they think. Tell you what, religious guys - read a modern history book and serve in the IDF; then you can contribute to the geopolitical discussion. Your "moral contributions" mean as much as your tax contribut- oh. Well, there you have it.
 
2012-10-05 12:32:51 PM  
Waddyaknow. Someone told the loud-mouthed war monger to shut up or lose his billions in US aid and he shut up.

Will someone please file this technique away for use by all future US Presidents? It's a lot cheaper than sending thousands of our military to be slaughtered in wars we should be fighting.
 
2012-10-05 12:35:04 PM  

Dr Dreidel: That's Obama. Here's the "response" from Tel Aviv (or Jerusalem, or Haifa...) to Bibi's sabre-rattling:
"Bibi, WTF? We have bigger problem domestically and with the countries that actually border us than we do with Iran. Let's make sure Egypt doesn't explode, killing Eilat with shrapnel before we fly a thousand miles to start WWIII - with pretty much ZERO support from anyone, including the US - because you don't like the way Ahmadinejad talks about your Momma. Besides which, perhaps you don't understand the concept of 'bluster'. Iran's having to lash out because someone aimed a diarrhea chute at every fan in that country. Chillax, bro." (The Hebrew sounds much more forceful, and I omitted the hand gestures, the yelling, the personal insults, the jokes about how cray-cray America can be, and the awesome smell of shawarma.)

Let's not ask the Haredis what they think. Tell you what, religious guys - read a modern history book and serve in the IDF; then you can contribute to the geopolitical discussion. Your "moral contributions" mean as much as your tax contribut- oh. Well, there you have it.


heh
 
2012-10-05 12:40:31 PM  
should NOT be fighting...Moops.
 
2012-10-05 12:43:10 PM  

Aarontology: If Israel wants military intervention to stop Iran, then Israel can do it itself.


Israel can't do it themselves. There are too many targets spread over to wide an area. Iran would also target ships in the Strait of Hormuz in retaliation. That would cut off a good chunk of the worlds oil which would pressure Israel. Iran also has surrogates in southern Lebanon which could directly attack Israel. Israel would have been farked if they attacked Iran unilaterally and Obama knew it.
 
2012-10-05 12:43:44 PM  
An American president who has shaken off the shackles of Israeli pressure? This may be the best reason yet to reelect Obama.
 
2012-10-05 12:43:46 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Yeah Obama might do okay with the Middle East, but what does it say about the true fibre of this man when he couldn't even beat Mitt Romney in a debate?


It's ok. Kerry beat Bush Jr in their first debate, almost by the same margin. Look how that turned out. Then again, it's pretty easy to win a debate when you employ the Gish Gallop strategy.
 
2012-10-05 12:58:28 PM  
Remember folks, a Vote for Mitt Romney is a vote to ensure that thousands of young Americans die in Iran. When you vote, picture their flag draped coffins. Voter for Romney with the clear knowledge that their blood is on your hands.
 
2012-10-05 01:03:58 PM  
so, "America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in the way"? I wasn't aware of that quote. He really thinks the USA is his biatch.
 
2012-10-05 01:05:17 PM  
The thing about the Iran Israel thing is that there is no party directly or indirectly involved with more to gain than to lose. iran won't strike first because it would be incredibly stupid. Until recently, i suspect israel would have counted on support from Turkey. The latest Turkish response is "do what you think you need to do but youre on your own,jack". Best case scenario for Turkey is a nasty refugee crisis on top of having to put the hammer down on Syria.

Turkey would be very stupid to join us if we enter the fray but they are bound by NATO agreements. Complicated situation indeed.
 
2012-10-05 01:12:19 PM  

Seabon: An American president who has shaken off the shackles of Israeli pressure? This may be the best reason yet to reelect Obama.


Agreed.
 
2012-10-05 01:14:01 PM  

Jairzinho: so, "America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in the way"? I wasn't aware of that quote. He really thinks the USA is his biatch.


It's funny because he's overplaying his hand (because Knesset is probably gonna dissolve his coalition). It's the last act of a desperate man.
 
2012-10-05 01:17:26 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Larofeticus: "So listen here, Benji. It looks like we're going to be able to get what we want just fine without bombing them. The economic warfare is working and will collapse them just fine with none of the direct messy consequences. We don't really give a fark about the nukes they don't have and aren't building, and they'll stop selling oil for currencies other than dollars just like all our other good little middle eastern vassal states. Take a hike; it's not like they were ever actually a real threat, anyway."

That's Obama. Here's the "response" from Tel Aviv (or Jerusalem, or Haifa...) to Bibi's sabre-rattling:
"Bibi, WTF? We have bigger problem domestically and with the countries that actually border us than we do with Iran. Let's make sure Egypt doesn't explode, killing Eilat with shrapnel before we fly a thousand miles to start WWIII - with pretty much ZERO support from anyone, including the US - because you don't like the way Ahmadinejad talks about your Momma. Besides which, perhaps you don't understand the concept of 'bluster'. Iran's having to lash out because someone aimed a diarrhea chute at every fan in that country. Chillax, bro." (The Hebrew sounds much more forceful, and I omitted the hand gestures, the yelling, the personal insults, the jokes about how cray-cray America can be, and the awesome smell of shawarma.)

Let's not ask the Haredis what they think. Tell you what, religious guys - read a modern history book and serve in the IDF; then you can contribute to the geopolitical discussion. Your "moral contributions" mean as much as your tax contribut- oh. Well, there you have it.


needs humus
 
2012-10-05 01:23:02 PM  

Antimatter: Is Israel wants a war, let them deal with it themselves.


That's basically been the Obama/Clinton policy towards Israel since he took office. (Credit where it's due: Bush started treating them that way shortly before he left office).
 
2012-10-05 01:33:04 PM  
www.lolbrary.com
 
2012-10-05 01:36:59 PM  

Seabon: An American president who has shaken off the shackles of Israeli pressure? This may be the best reason yet to reelect Obama.


This.

Apparently a lot of the SuperPacs think this is true as well, I don't know about your state but mine had been barraged by "Obama hates Israel and that's why you don't have a job now" TV commercials coming from some "Jewish Republicans Collation". I'm assuming this is Sheldon Aldelson Pac?
 
2012-10-05 01:37:16 PM  

FarkedOver: [www.lolbrary.com image 600x490]


LOL. I'm stealing that.
 
2012-10-05 01:38:19 PM  
FTFA: But Netanyahu met unexpectedly firm US resistance to his pressure tactic. On August 30, General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, talking with reporters in the UK, said an Israeli strike on Iran would be ineffective, and then dropped an unexpected bomb. "I don't want to be complicit it they [the Israelis] choose to do it," Dempsey said.

After all those years under Bush, it's an incredible relief to see such high ranking officials make public statements against rushing off to war without an endgame or an exit strategy on flimsy intelligence and Israeli speculation.
 
2012-10-05 01:50:06 PM  

Bag of Hammers: Seabon: An American president who has shaken off the shackles of Israeli pressure? This may be the best reason yet to reelect Obama.

This.

Apparently a lot of the SuperPacs think this is true as well, I don't know about your state but mine had been barraged by "Obama hates Israel and that's why you don't have a job now" TV commercials coming from some "Jewish Republicans Collation". I'm assuming this is Sheldon Aldelson Pac?


Obama still has a bunch of pro Israeli supporters in his camp.

Netanyahu is going off the rails, and some dont want to follow him.
 
2012-10-05 01:59:30 PM  

mrshowrules: FarkedOver: [www.lolbrary.com image 600x490]

LOL. I'm stealing that.


Quite alright, I stole it myself.

/No honor amongst thieves :)
 
2012-10-05 02:37:29 PM  

Dr Dreidel: ... (The Hebrew sounds much more forceful, and I omitted the hand gestures, the yelling, the personal insults, the jokes about how cray-cray America can be, and the awesome smell of shawarma.)

Let's not ask the Haredis what they think. Tell you what, religious guys - read a modern history book and serve in the IDF; then you can contribute to the geopolitical discussion. Your "moral contributions" mean as much as your tax contribut- oh. Well, there you have it.


Favorited. :D
 
2012-10-05 03:00:36 PM  

xKallisti: Dr Dreidel: ... (The Hebrew sounds much more forceful, and I omitted the hand gestures, the yelling, the personal insults, the jokes about how cray-cray America can be, and the awesome smell of shawarma.)

Let's not ask the Haredis what they think. Tell you what, religious guys - read a modern history book and serve in the IDF; then you can contribute to the geopolitical discussion. Your "moral contributions" mean as much as your tax contribut- oh. Well, there you have it.

Favorited. :D


You too (as "also loves the smell of shawarma", in Orange 4, which kind of looks like shawarma spices).
 
2012-10-05 03:42:22 PM  
I demand that the link to the article be replaced with the link to Pocket Ninja's comment. Now.
 
2012-10-05 04:05:54 PM  
Some days I think Pocket Ninja is Patton Oswalt practicing new material.
 
2012-10-05 04:08:15 PM  
Wow! Even the Jews acknowledge that Romney has lost.
 
2012-10-06 11:58:18 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Remember folks, a Vote for Mitt Romney is a vote to ensure that thousands of young Americans die in Iran. When you vote, picture their flag draped coffins. Voter for Romney with the clear knowledge that their blood is on your hands.


Sounds good. I guess that means the blood of all the people who have died in all of America's military (and other) actions puts blood on the hands of everyone who voted for Obama?

Or are you saying that the blood of all who die in Obama's next term is on the hands of the people who vote for him?
 
2012-10-06 12:51:58 PM  

shotglasss: Sounds good. I guess that means the blood of all the people who have died in all of America's military (and other) actions puts blood on the hands of everyone who voted for Obama?


Which Americans have died in wars that Obama has started? Please, name them.
 
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