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2012-10-05 09:20:27 AM
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2012-10-05 09:35:39 AM
Pffft. Amateurs.
 
2012-10-05 09:42:17 AM
Yet another case of Trains blindly roaming the countryside smashing into unsuspecting motorists. When will the government mandate trains stay on a per-determined path so we know where they will cross the road.
 
2012-10-05 09:42:26 AM
CSB time: I once saw a train take out an 18 wheeler towing a construction crane that stalled on the tracks in Ventura. Driver got out, but it was one of the most awesome things I've ever seen. Blew that truck up like a bomb and didn't even slow it down.
 
2012-10-05 09:43:12 AM
When it's a tie at the crossing - you lose.
 
2012-10-05 09:49:46 AM

UberDave: [s11.postimage.org image 500x375]


Love those!

Physics is a biatch. When I used to commute on the train, at least once a year we'd have to stop for 45 minutes due to a suicide by train. The worst one was the guy on the bicycle as we heard it go underneath our car. I can't imagine being the engineer and facing that. Stat I heard was every engineer in their career will be involved in at least one fatal collision.
 
2012-10-05 09:51:16 AM
I know what caused the accident.

#1. A single locomotive is limited to 30mph at all times.
#2. A single locomotive and two loaded cars is "not a train" according to the crossing arm sensors. It must stop and make sure the arms go and the bells clang.
#3. Some shiathead omnommed that truck and had to be doing something in the range of FIRED WITHOUT PENSION in order to carry it that far down the tracks.
 
2012-10-05 09:53:23 AM
imageshack.us

I guess the co-pilot was distracted.
 
2012-10-05 09:56:03 AM

prjindigo: I know what caused the accident.

#1. A single locomotive is limited to 30mph at all times.
#2. A single locomotive and two loaded cars is "not a train" according to the crossing arm sensors. It must stop and make sure the arms go and the bells clang.
#3. Some shiathead omnommed that truck and had to be doing something in the range of FIRED WITHOUT PENSION in order to carry it that far down the tracks.


FTA "Officials say the CSX diesel engine was pulling four railcars loaded with rock."
 
2012-10-05 09:58:54 AM

prjindigo: I know what caused the accident.

#1. A single locomotive is limited to 30mph at all times.
#2. A single locomotive and two loaded cars is "not a train" according to the crossing arm sensors. It must stop and make sure the arms go and the bells clang.
#3. Some shiathead omnommed that truck and had to be doing something in the range of FIRED WITHOUT PENSION in order to carry it that far down the tracks.


#1: No
#2: Where did you hear this?
#3: You must be trolling
 
2012-10-05 09:59:10 AM
C_Canuk: prjindigo: I know what caused the accident.

#1. A single locomotive is limited to 30mph at all times.
#2. A single locomotive and two loaded cars is "not a train" according to the crossing arm sensors. It must stop and make sure the arms go and the bells clang.
#3. Some shiathead omnommed that truck and had to be doing something in the range of FIRED WITHOUT PENSION in order to carry it that far down the tracks.

FTA "Officials say the CSX diesel engine was pulling four railcars loaded with rock."


Which proves the point that if you attempt to be snarky, read the actual article or else you could come off looking like a dumbass.
 
2012-10-05 09:59:31 AM

prjindigo: I know what caused the accident.

#1. A single locomotive is limited to 30mph at all times.
#2. A single locomotive and two loaded cars is "not a train" according to the crossing arm sensors. It must stop and make sure the arms go and the bells clang.
#3. Some shiathead omnommed that truck and had to be doing something in the range of FIRED WITHOUT PENSION in order to carry it that far down the tracks.


Still, one of the first things they teach you in driver's ed is to look when you cross the tracks. A train absolutely always has the right of way.

It looks like he missed his Last Clear Chance.
 
2012-10-05 10:01:20 AM

prjindigo: #2. A single locomotive and two loaded cars is "not a train" according to the crossing arm sensors. It must stop and make sure the arms go and the bells clang.


WTF? I've seen the arms go down for a single locomotive.
 
2012-10-05 10:02:06 AM

Tom_Slick: Yet another case of Trains blindly roaming the countryside smashing into unsuspecting motorists. When will the government mandate trains stay on a per-determined path so we know where they will cross the road.


I've installed a extra loud horn on my car. I sound it when I'm anywhere near railroad tracks. That way the trains know that I'm on my way, and they have time to move or stop. I'm still here, so that proves it works.
 
2012-10-05 10:05:16 AM

wraithmare: UberDave: [s11.postimage.org image 500x375]

Love those!

Physics is a biatch. When I used to commute on the train, at least once a year we'd have to stop for 45 minutes due to a suicide by train. The worst one was the guy on the bicycle as we heard it go underneath our car. I can't imagine being the engineer and facing that. Stat I heard was every engineer in their career will be involved in at least one fatal collision.


Yea, its believed to be true. My cousin has been an Amtrak engineer for about 25 years, and he's been involved in two fatalities, and he says that every other engineer he knows has been involved in at least one. He says its terrible, because you're helpless to stop in time, you know beforehand that someone is about to die.
 
2012-10-05 10:10:25 AM
As if a diesel engine wasn't enough, it was pulling four cars loaded with rock. That ain't stopping anytime soon.
 
2012-10-05 10:12:54 AM

prjindigo: I know what caused the accident.

#1. A single locomotive is limited to 30mph at all times.
#2. A single locomotive and two loaded cars is "not a train" according to the crossing arm sensors. It must stop and make sure the arms go and the bells clang.
#3. Some shiathead omnommed that truck and had to be doing something in the range of FIRED WITHOUT PENSION in order to carry it that far down the tracks.


chzichcafterdark.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-05 10:17:10 AM
Growing up in Chicago in the 60's, we got a once a year class in railroad safety from Illinois Central. Pretty much the standard stuff: Look both ways. Cross at the crossing. Don't walk on the tracks.

There was also something about kids finding devices along the tracks and taking them. This was a big no no according to the IC guys. Supposedly, they could explode if you hit them with a hammer. I don't remember what it did but I spent a lot of time looking for one.

One year, a teacher explained that when the engineer applies the emergency brakes all the wheels on the train wear down unevenly and have to be replaced. He showed the math and told us that we weren't worth all the damage that happens when a train has to do an emergency stop.
 
2012-10-05 10:17:42 AM
Trains and Pedestrians have the right of way. Trains, because if they hit you, game over man, game over, and if you hit the Pedestrian, you're going to wish a train had hit you instead.
 
Xai
2012-10-05 10:21:29 AM

prjindigo: I know what caused the accident.

#1. A single locomotive is limited to 30mph at all times.
#2. A single locomotive and two loaded cars is "not a train" according to the crossing arm sensors. It must stop and make sure the arms go and the bells clang.
#3. Some shiathead omnommed that truck and had to be doing something in the range of FIRED WITHOUT PENSION in order to carry it that far down the tracks.


1) Locomotives may be speed restricted on certain lines, but that is a local issue, not a national rule.
2) Given that the locomotive was pulling 4 cars this renders your point 1 and 2 invalid. Also given that there are NO crossing arms or bells at this crossing (google maps) then this point is also invalid.
3) The stopping distance of a locomotive is considerably longer than you might expect. I have known it to take over half a mile to stop from 30mph (890 yards at 33mph) and given that the driver of the truck died instantly, your point is also invalid.

Where is that hair is a bird picture when you need it...
 
2012-10-05 10:22:42 AM

C_Canuk:

FTA "Officials say the CSX diesel engine was pulling four railcars loaded with rock."


Was it this one?
 
2012-10-05 10:29:03 AM

Harry Freakstorm: Growing up in Chicago in the 60's, we got a once a year class in railroad safety from Illinois Central. Pretty much the standard stuff: Look both ways. Cross at the crossing. Don't walk on the tracks.

There was also something about kids finding devices along the tracks and taking them. This was a big no no according to the IC guys. Supposedly, they could explode if you hit them with a hammer. I don't remember what it did but I spent a lot of time looking for one.


That would be a Torpedo They are pretty damn cool.

One year, a teacher explained that when the engineer applies the emergency brakes all the wheels on the train wear down unevenly and have to be replaced. He showed the math and told us that we weren't worth all the damage that happens when a train has to do an emergency stop.

That's probably a little exaggerated.
 
2012-10-05 10:30:11 AM

Jesus Burnt My Hotdog: C_Canuk:

FTA "Officials say the CSX diesel engine was pulling four railcars loaded with rock."

Was it this one?


Unknown at this time, however, this particular rock is reported to contain high concentrations of heavy metal
 
2012-10-05 10:41:12 AM
#2. A single locomotive and two loaded cars is "not a train" according to the crossing arm sensors. It must stop and make sure the arms go and the bells clang.

There are no crossing arm sensors. There's a low voltage dc current that runs down the tracks and the wheels of the train trips a relay that causes the gates to lower.

/railroad brat
 
2012-10-05 10:45:21 AM

Hack Patooey: wraithmare: UberDave: [s11.postimage.org image 500x375]

Love those!

Physics is a biatch. When I used to commute on the train, at least once a year we'd have to stop for 45 minutes due to a suicide by train. The worst one was the guy on the bicycle as we heard it go underneath our car. I can't imagine being the engineer and facing that. Stat I heard was every engineer in their career will be involved in at least one fatal collision.

Yea, its believed to be true. My cousin has been an Amtrak engineer for about 25 years, and he's been involved in two fatalities, and he says that every other engineer he knows has been involved in at least one. He says its terrible, because you're helpless to stop in time, you know beforehand that someone is about to die.


I lived in Bowling Green, Ohio through the years that BGSU was the number one party school by playboy and some other ratings. BGSU was on one side of the tracks and Downtown with most of the bars were on the other side of the tracks. There was a train engineer that would Blow his horn nonstop for the few miles through town. The urban legend was that someone met him at a party and he explained that he closes his eyes too after so many close calls with pedestrians and cars.

Every residential block used to cross the tracks, so even if you only blew at crossings, They'd be on the horn 50% of the time anyway. They closed some of the streets, but pedestrians would still cross there.
 
2012-10-05 10:46:13 AM
Emergency stopping a train is a huge pain the arse. You have to re-pressurize the brake lines and use up a lot of sand. I used to commute by train and the conductor used to piss and moan about it very loudly whenever we'd have to do it for a car or whatever on the tracks.
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 10:48:28 AM
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Look twice for semis
 
2012-10-05 10:59:19 AM

buzzcut73: One year, a teacher explained that when the engineer applies the emergency brakes all the wheels on the train wear down unevenly and have to be replaced. He showed the math and told us that we weren't worth all the damage that happens when a train has to do an emergency stop.

That's probably a little exaggerated.


If you ever hear a rail car going through a town and banging like crazy (a repeated whomp-whomp-whomp sound) like once every second or less, that's from a flat spot on the wheel. When they brake them super hard, the wheels lock up and just grind on the rails, which does make a flat spot. I would guess that it's got to be a really hardcore emergency stop on a fully loaded car going pretty fast before something like that happens, but it does happen.
 
2012-10-05 11:05:35 AM

phyrkrakr: buzzcut73: One year, a teacher explained that when the engineer applies the emergency brakes all the wheels on the train wear down unevenly and have to be replaced. He showed the math and told us that we weren't worth all the damage that happens when a train has to do an emergency stop.

That's probably a little exaggerated.

If you ever hear a rail car going through a town and banging like crazy (a repeated whomp-whomp-whomp sound) like once every second or less, that's from a flat spot on the wheel. When they brake them super hard, the wheels lock up and just grind on the rails, which does make a flat spot. I would guess that it's got to be a really hardcore emergency stop on a fully loaded car going pretty fast before something like that happens, but it does happen.


That godawful screeching noise they make is a lot worse.
 
Xai
2012-10-05 11:05:50 AM

phyrkrakr: buzzcut73: One year, a teacher explained that when the engineer applies the emergency brakes all the wheels on the train wear down unevenly and have to be replaced. He showed the math and told us that we weren't worth all the damage that happens when a train has to do an emergency stop.

That's probably a little exaggerated.

If you ever hear a rail car going through a town and banging like crazy (a repeated whomp-whomp-whomp sound) like once every second or less, that's from a flat spot on the wheel. When they brake them super hard, the wheels lock up and just grind on the rails, which does make a flat spot. I would guess that it's got to be a really hardcore emergency stop on a fully loaded car going pretty fast before something like that happens, but it does happen.


you're a little out dated but technically correct.

While they are still called 'flats' the wheels are made of a harder steel than the rails these days, the flat spots are created when the wheels lock up and the metal from the rail is ground off by friction and adheres itself to the wheel, flattening the section and crating a lump of metal on the wheel. The wheels have to be re-profiled on a wheel lathe to remove this metal when the train goes in for servicing.

Also trains do emergency brake if they are going to hit something but it can take well over a mile, sometimes several, to stop - even in emergency.
 
2012-10-05 11:19:14 AM
You do realize that they have anti-lock brakes for trains. Can't say all of them have it, but I will be that they would pay for themselves after a single lawsuit.
 
2012-10-05 11:22:48 AM
I saw a train hit a semi about ten or twelve years ago. Walked out of the convenience store just in time to hear the train whistle blow and as I looked to the right, I saw the cab of the semi on the tracks. the train hit it and the semi explode into a fireball. After all was said and done, they found the driver's body about fifty yards away.
Apparently he decided to call his dispatcher as he was leaving the recycling plant, left the semi in gear and slowly rolled onto the tracks. The dispatcher heard his last words before the signal cut out.
 
2012-10-05 11:25:16 AM
For my training in Fire School, placing an electrical conductor between the rails will cause the railroad signal to go to stop. (Do not try this when third rail power is used). Train crew have devices that when run over create a loud bang. This will alert anyone that immediate attention is required (such as a train/rolling stock is approaching and get off the tracks).

Tractor-trailers take time and distance to stop-- locomotives do to. This incident could be one person's poor decision . And whenever a collision occurs, all members of the train crew and vehicle drivers involved are given drug and alcohol tests.
 
2012-10-05 11:28:02 AM
Old long johnson. Old long johnson. Old long johns....
 
2012-10-05 11:32:41 AM
Most modern trains can stop quicker with the regenerative style electric brakes. Those are trying to slow the wheels instead of locking them up. Generally when the emergency brakes are pulled it just locks up the wheels and the train will slide and take longer to stop. Regardless metal to metal isn't the best traction surface so it's going to take a long time for even a single locomotive to stop.

I try to slow and look at any train crossing. Don't trust my life to the crossing gate and lights working. Though I have been scared by a train parked on the tracks a short distance away from the crossing. That'll get your attention.
 
2012-10-05 11:44:45 AM

GBB: [localtvwtkr.files.wordpress.com image 627x418]
Look twice for semis


My submission for alternate captioning:

Well there's your problem right there!
 
2012-10-05 11:45:12 AM
When I was around 11 years old I got to ride in the driver's cab of a freight train, blow the whistle, all that. At one crossing we barely hit the rear end of a car that tried to beat us through a crossing. The collision caused the car to fishtail out of control and it slammed into a telephone pole, and since they had sped up to beat us they were going pretty fast. We didn't feel a thing in the train and the conductor didn't even apply the brakes - he just called it in and kept going. As far as I remember the injuries to the driver and passengers in the car were only minor.
 
2012-10-05 12:06:24 PM
www.watchcartoononline.com

The trucker in question
 
2012-10-05 12:31:12 PM
Once about 20 years back, there was a drunk who passed out on the AMTRAK "City of New Orleans" line @ Carbondale, IL. Along comes a Canadien Nacional and just rolled the guy's body up like a sleeping bag. Some bar patrons nearby heard the scream.
Amazingly, the guy was still alive... until the EMTs unrolled him.
 
2012-10-05 12:58:43 PM
His other car

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2012-10-05 01:15:52 PM
It's well known hitting a pickup truck will cause a train to derail and crash spectacularly, without killing the driver of the pickup.

Yet this train demolished a much larger truck, killing its driver, and somehow suffered little damage.

Something doesn't add up.
 
2012-10-05 01:19:09 PM

Yaxe: Trains and Pedestrians have the right of way. Trains, because if they hit you, game over man, game over, and if you hit the Pedestrian, you're going to wish a train had hit you instead.


Much like the redneck right of way rule: The pickup with the bigger gun rack always has the right of way.
 
2012-10-05 01:21:36 PM

Heinrich von Eckardt:
Yet this train demolished a much larger truck, killing its driver, and somehow suffered little damage.

Something doesn't add up.


Not addition, multiplication: F = ma

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2012-10-05 01:32:05 PM

drewogatory: CSB time: I once saw a train take out an 18 wheeler towing a construction crane that stalled on the tracks in Ventura. Driver got out, but it was one of the most awesome things I've ever seen. Blew that truck up like a bomb and didn't even slow it down.


Saw an old lady in a Cadillac get hit once. She panic stopped when the lights started flashing and stopped with the nose of the car sticking out over the tracks. The gate actually came down on the car. The engineer hit the brakes but didn't have a chance and the side of the engine caught the front end of the car and dragged it down the tracks until the engineer got the train stopped. Those old Caddys are well built, the fender and bumper were all tangled in the ladder on the side of the engine and didn't let go. The old lady was banged up but overall okay. Cuts from flying glass and bumps and bruises because she wasn't wearing a seat belt and bounced around in the car. I really thought I had just watched someone get killed until I got to the car.
 
2012-10-05 01:35:32 PM

Heinrich von Eckardt: It's well known hitting a pickup truck will cause a train to derail and crash spectacularly, without killing the driver of the pickup.

Yet this train demolished a much larger truck, killing its driver, and somehow suffered little damage.

Something doesn't add up.


That was such a bad movie for so many reasons.

In real life, passenger trains are the only ones likely to derail in an accident. They're just not heavy enough to stay planted on the tracks against a heavy enough vehicle - an Amtrak derailing happened here just days ago because an idiot hauling fresh-picked cotton slammed right into the back of the train.

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Non-Acela Amtrak is basically your only chance of winning the train vs truck battle.
 
2012-10-05 01:40:52 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: prjindigo: I know what caused the accident.

#1. A single locomotive is limited to 30mph at all times.
#2. A single locomotive and two loaded cars is "not a train" according to the crossing arm sensors. It must stop and make sure the arms go and the bells clang.
#3. Some shiathead omnommed that truck and had to be doing something in the range of FIRED WITHOUT PENSION in order to carry it that far down the tracks.

Still, one of the first things they teach you in driver's ed is to look when you cross the tracks. A train absolutely always has the right of way.

It looks like he missed his Last Clear Chance.


Why don't they look?
 
2012-10-05 02:48:05 PM

yet_another_wumpus: You do realize that they have anti-lock brakes for trains. Can't say all of them have it, but I will be that they would pay for themselves after a single lawsuit.


Sorry, You're either a troll or a moron. As someone who group up in a railroad family and someone who has active family members in the railroad I say one thing: Trains don't hit cars, cars 99% of the time hit trains. Freight trains don't have anti-lock breaks because of the mass they haul.

Railroad X crossing signs are technically stop signs. If you are stupid enough to roll through them, then sorry, if you died, it is your own fault. Physics will gladly testify on your behalf. Short of a train driver being drunk or high and failing to blow the whistle, it's never the trains fault.

A train wheel has the contact surface of a dime. I'd love to see you stop thousands of pounds moving at five or ten miles an hour on a contact surface that is that small.

I once read through paperwork where a drunk guy slammed into the -middle- of a mile long train. The train didn't stop or know any better and it kept going. An hour and a half later the engineer got a call saying to stop. Turns out, the dork who hit the train, called his friend to help tow his vehicle back to his house before calling the police. That way the guy could sober up.... better yet, the dork tried to sue the railroad.
 
2012-10-05 03:09:39 PM

prjindigo: I know what caused the accident.

#1. A single locomotive is limited to 30mph at all times.
#2. A single locomotive and two loaded cars is "not a train" according to the crossing arm sensors. It must stop and make sure the arms go and the bells clang.
#3. Some shiathead omnommed that truck and had to be doing something in the range of FIRED WITHOUT PENSION in order to carry it that far down the tracks.


No lights/bells/arms at that intersection.. It was actually a private driveway for a junk yard that crosses the tracks, very blind intersection at that. I live across the street.
 
2012-10-05 03:36:25 PM
Folks need to be educated I guess. Bicycles, motorbikes; no match for vehicles. Smaller economy cars, no match for bigger sedan type "old school" land yachts. most cars no match for bigger pickup trucks, and the majority of passenger vehicles on the road are no match for a tractor trailer. and finally no vehicle is a match for a train.

/csb. friend of ours called us up let us know their daughter had been involved in a pickup/train incident. seen the pics. from the pictures, it would look like she should of died but (and there are some details here investigators for UP are trying to work out) she had pulled up to the crossing. there was no cross bar but a regular red stop sign on either side of the tracks and old white lines on the pavement (faded from being there for years) she stopped and then proceeded across the tracks and got hit. the thing is she had her window down, the visibility was good but there was no train whistle. I wasn't there when it happened but she insists that they weren't sounding their horn.
 
2012-10-05 04:03:40 PM

dangermen: yet_another_wumpus: You do realize that they have anti-lock brakes for trains. Can't say all of them have it, but I will be that they would pay for themselves after a single lawsuit.

Sorry, You're either a troll or a moron.


I am well aware of how train accidents happen. I lack your faith in juries and the US legal system.
And yes, there are anti-lock brakes for trains, I've interviewed at one place that makes them for subway cars.
 
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