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2012-10-05 09:57:42 AM
"I'm striking because I was retaliated against for speaking out," she said. Valesquez, a single mother of five children, said that with eight hours worth of pay, she "can't even pay one bill. It's very, very hard."

Your problem, I found it.
 
2012-10-05 10:10:55 AM
There message seems to be off-Target.
 
2012-10-05 10:13:02 AM
"Anyone who goes against management, you're pretty much putting a target on your back.


Son of a biatch, they actually used it in the article...
 
2012-10-05 10:18:06 AM

grinding_journalist: "I'm striking because I was retaliated against for speaking out," she said. Valesquez, a single mother of five children, said that with eight hours worth of pay, she "can't even pay one bill. It's very, very hard."

Your problem, I found it.


Thank you!!!

/haven't laughed that hard in a while
 
2012-10-05 10:58:55 AM

capitafun: grinding_journalist: "I'm striking because I was retaliated against for speaking out," she said. Valesquez, a single mother of five children, said that with eight hours worth of pay, she "can't even pay one bill. It's very, very hard."

Your problem, I found it.

Thank you!!!

/haven't laughed that hard in a while


No.... I don't believe this.
 
2012-10-05 10:59:14 AM
I expect the current store will be closed, and a brand new SuperWalMart will be built a block and a half away.
 
2012-10-05 11:04:20 AM
Walmart is doing nothing any other chain is doing/has been doing. If there are more people applying for the job than there are jobs, Walmart has the leverage.

If the economy picks up and Walmart has to compete for employees, then they'll be more reasonable with hours, pay, and benefits.

/Vote Romney for the sake of Walmart employees.
 
2012-10-05 11:09:24 AM
Since they don't seem to be in a Union with a contract can't they simply be let go.

It's not like they have irreplaceable skills.

Don't know California's labor laws though
 
2012-10-05 11:44:05 AM

CujoQuarrel: Since they don't seem to be in a Union with a contract can't they simply be let go.

It's not like they have irreplaceable skills.

Don't know California's labor laws though


It's federal labor laws that would apply in this case. The National Labor Relations Act protects employees who engage in "concerted activity" to demand workplace improvements. There are some exceptions to who is covered by NLRA, but Walmart employees should definitely qualify.

So, there might not be a state law that Walmart would violate by firing them, but I imagine the employees would win a case in front of the NLRB.
 
2012-10-05 11:52:12 AM
There's a Walmart market (grocery store) near me I used to patronize, but I quit going. The prices were good but it was depressing going there, the employees were obviously not happy and the clientele always made me thank God when I walked out of there and hadn't been shot while shopping. I even sold my Wal-mart stock just to wash my hands of the whole mess.
 
2012-10-05 12:07:54 PM

Snarky Acronym: There's a Walmart market (grocery store) near me I used to patronize, but I quit going. The prices were good but it was depressing going there, the employees were obviously not happy and the clientele always made me thank God when I walked out of there and hadn't been shot while shopping. I even sold my Wal-mart stock just to wash my hands of the whole mess.


Required Viewing (Mildly NSFW)
 
2012-10-05 12:10:13 PM
Head line tomorrow, "Walmart to close nine stores in California, cites adverse business environment."

Head line six months from now, "Walmart to build nine new stores in California."
 
2012-10-05 12:15:54 PM
Terminated and denied unemployment (insubordination).

Store itself has a 50/50 chance of closure (to remove the undesirable element).
 
2012-10-05 12:33:08 PM

phyrkrakr: CujoQuarrel: Since they don't seem to be in a Union with a contract can't they simply be let go.

It's not like they have irreplaceable skills.

Don't know California's labor laws though

It's federal labor laws that would apply in this case. The National Labor Relations Act protects employees who engage in "concerted activity" to demand workplace improvements. There are some exceptions to who is covered by NLRA, but Walmart employees should definitely qualify.

So, there might not be a state law that Walmart would violate by firing them, but I imagine the employees would win a case in front of the NLRB.


But wouldn't not showing up for work still be grounds for firing?
 
2012-10-05 12:34:50 PM
I go to the dollar store instead of Walmart these days. I don't like having to get all dressed up to shop ....
 
2012-10-05 01:06:45 PM
I did a very brief stint at a Wal Mart during college. Part of my orientation and training was to watch a required 20 minute anti-union movie. It was 20 solid minutes of "Unions are bad! No, seriously, they're the worst. Did we mention how much unions suck? Don't ever join a union or terrorists will rape your baby in the face. Every time someone joins a union, God kills a kitten. Have we mentioned that unions are bad? Did you know that Satan himself came up from the fiery depths of hell to start the first labor union? Oh, and if you even think about saying the word union within 1000 miles of any Wal Mart store, you will be fired." I didn't have any strong opinions about unions one way or the other at the time, but I found the whole thing to be a bit creepy and Orwellian.
 
2012-10-05 02:02:21 PM

Ponzholio: There message seems to be off-Target.


Where message?
 
2012-10-05 02:23:20 PM

CujoQuarrel: But wouldn't not showing up for work still be grounds for firing?


"Concerted protected activity" is a fact-based situation, so I can't really say for sure. Here's the NLRB concerted activity page which describes various cases that the NLRB has been involved in. Look at the one about the poultry processing plant in North Carolina and I'll think you'll see an analogy to the present case.

FTFA, I can't tell if she's picketing while she's supposed to be working or not. But there's certainly other employees involved, which is step one, it involves issues that affect other employees as well, which is step two, and she's not tearing stuff up or spreading lies about products in a way that's malicious or vindictive, so it seems like she'shiat the trifecta.
 
2012-10-05 02:31:04 PM

mod3072: I did a very brief stint at a Wal Mart during college. Part of my orientation and training was to watch a required 20 minute anti-union movie. It was 20 solid minutes of "Unions are bad! No, seriously, they're the worst. Did we mention how much unions suck? Don't ever join a union or terrorists will rape your baby in the face. Every time someone joins a union, God kills a kitten. Have we mentioned that unions are bad? Did you know that Satan himself came up from the fiery depths of hell to start the first labor union? Oh, and if you even think about saying the word union within 1000 miles of any Wal Mart store, you will be fired." I didn't have any strong opinions about unions one way or the other at the time, but I found the whole thing to be a bit creepy and Orwellian.


I remember that video. It really wasn't that bad. I remember they made a point of saying unions served a purpose back when employees were routinely locked inside buildings full of flammable materials and told 'good luck with that' but that they had 'outlived their purpose.'

Maybe they show a different video in more union friendly parts of the country.
 
2012-10-05 03:38:53 PM

phyrkrakr: CujoQuarrel: Since they don't seem to be in a Union with a contract can't they simply be let go.

It's not like they have irreplaceable skills.

Don't know California's labor laws though

It's federal labor laws that would apply in this case. The National Labor Relations Act protects employees who engage in "concerted activity" to demand workplace improvements. There are some exceptions to who is covered by NLRA, but Walmart employees should definitely qualify.

So, there might not be a state law that Walmart would violate by firing them, but I imagine the employees would win a case in front of the NLRB.


The thing is though is with companies like Walmart, they're basically rich enough to pay off any government investigators to look the other way. In an ideal society, any fines and penalties for violating laws like this would be based on percentages of income and not specific amounts, but we all know that will never happen as long as big business can pay off Washington to do their bidding.
 
2012-10-05 03:52:42 PM

grinding_journalist: "I'm striking because I was retaliated against for speaking out," she said. Valesquez, a single mother of five children, said that with eight hours worth of pay, she "can't even pay one bill. It's very, very hard."

Your problem, I found it.


I don't know anyone that could pay their bills with only 8 hours of work at close to minimum wage.

Also, there are plenty of reasons she might be a single parent with 5 kids and not be the slut that is too dumb to use birth control that you seem to be implying. Maybe she was married and her husband died. Or he ran off with another woman. Or he beat her so she divorced him.

I just know I'd rather she be working and making enough to support her family than living off of welfare.
 
2012-10-05 06:02:23 PM

mod3072: I did a very brief stint at a Wal Mart during college. Part of my orientation and training was to watch a required 20 minute anti-union movie. It was 20 solid minutes of "Unions are bad! No, seriously, they're the worst. Did we mention how much unions suck? Don't ever join a union or terrorists will rape your baby in the face. Every time someone joins a union, God kills a kitten. Have we mentioned that unions are bad? Did you know that Satan himself came up from the fiery depths of hell to start the first labor union? Oh, and if you even think about saying the word union within 1000 miles of any Wal Mart store, you will be fired." I didn't have any strong opinions about unions one way or the other at the time, but I found the whole thing to be a bit creepy and Orwellian.


Walgreens does that, too.
It acted as if even talking to a union member meant you owed them your paycheck and that was all they were after, giving nothing in return.
 
2012-10-05 06:04:37 PM

Krieghund: I just know I'd rather she be working and making enough to support her family than living off of welfare.


She works at Wal-Mart, and their benefits package IS welfare, food stamps, and Medicaid. Yet they never seem to officially get called out on such a huge subsidy, even though it's seems to be common knowledge.
 
2012-10-05 06:07:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: capitafun: grinding_journalist: "I'm striking because I was retaliated against for speaking out," she said. Valesquez, a single mother of five children, said that with eight hours worth of pay, she "can't even pay one bill. It's very, very hard."

Your problem, I found it.

Thank you!!!

/haven't laughed that hard in a while

No.... I don't believe this.


Honestly. Even know I'm still smiling with a bit of a chuckle reading that reply....

/it's been one of those weeks.
 
2012-10-05 07:17:19 PM
Wal-mart's not the only company guilty of this, nor the "We'll just close the store" solution. Heck, the company I work for treats anyone that's not salary as some sort of serf. It's called a "Low Labor Cost" model. It could also be called the "Ugh...these Poor People keep bothering me" model.
 
2012-10-05 08:12:20 PM

Krieghund: grinding_journalist: "I'm striking because I was retaliated against for speaking out," she said. Valesquez, a single mother of five children, said that with eight hours worth of pay, she "can't even pay one bill. It's very, very hard."

Your problem, I found it.

I don't know anyone that could pay their bills with only 8 hours of work at close to minimum wage.

Also, there are plenty of reasons she might be a single parent with 5 kids and not be the slut that is too dumb to use birth control that you seem to be implying. Maybe she was married and her husband died. Or he ran off with another woman. Or he beat her so she divorced him.

I just know I'd rather she be working and making enough to support her family than living off of welfare.


Get out of here with that sensibility crap! This thread is for Derp only!

FREE MARKETZZZZ!

/I agree with you
 
2012-10-05 08:18:08 PM
Funny that WalMart's UK operation ASDA is quite happy with unions, and generally treats staff well. Everyone is happy in my local ASDA and they're doing well financially.
 
2012-10-05 08:19:07 PM
Get up, stand up.

That said, yeah, the government subsidizes Wally-Wally with social programs. And all the BS American flags on pick-up windows in the parking lot are likely made in China. Like most WM wares. These folks are stupid or ignorant.
 
2012-10-05 08:29:04 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: mod3072: I did a very brief stint at a Wal Mart during college. Part of my orientation and training was to watch a required 20 minute anti-union movie. It was 20 solid minutes of "Unions are bad! No, seriously, they're the worst. Did we mention how much unions suck? Don't ever join a union or terrorists will rape your baby in the face. Every time someone joins a union, God kills a kitten. Have we mentioned that unions are bad? Did you know that Satan himself came up from the fiery depths of hell to start the first labor union? Oh, and if you even think about saying the word union within 1000 miles of any Wal Mart store, you will be fired." I didn't have any strong opinions about unions one way or the other at the time, but I found the whole thing to be a bit creepy and Orwellian.

Walgreens does that, too.
It acted as if even talking to a union member meant you owed them your paycheck and that was all they were after, giving nothing in return.


So does Home Depot. Although the film was more like 5-10 minutes.
 
2012-10-05 09:20:22 PM

LograyX: Wal-mart's not the only company guilty of this, nor the "We'll just close the store" solution. Heck, the company I work for treats anyone that's not salary as some sort of serf. It's called a "Low Labor Cost" model. It could also be called the "Ugh...these Poor People keep bothering me" model.


Before I worked at my current employer there was talk about the workers all joining up with a union. Employees were meeting with union reps and whatever else was going on. It only lasted until the big boss called the entire company into a big meeting and told them "You guys join a union and I WILL close this place. I already have my retirement saved up so it doesn't matter to me." They should have called his bluff.
 
2012-10-05 09:45:56 PM
An LA farker here saying: " about time!"

I think Walmart is fine and dandy but love watching a good ol' strike. Beats watching car chases.
 
2012-10-05 09:58:10 PM
 
2012-10-05 10:28:01 PM

grinding_journalist: "I'm striking because I was retaliated against for speaking out," she said. Valesquez, a single mother of five children, said that with eight hours worth of pay, she "can't even pay one bill. It's very, very hard."

Your problem, I found it.


That she's a hard working mother that wants to work for a descent wage rather than beg in the streets or live on government handouts? Yeah, I can see where that is a problem.
 
2012-10-06 01:32:54 AM

Eddie T. Head: Sergeant Grumbles: mod3072: I did a very brief stint at a Wal Mart during college. Part of my orientation and training was to watch a required 20 minute anti-union movie. It was 20 solid minutes of "Unions are bad! No, seriously, they're the worst. Did we mention how much unions suck? Don't ever join a union or terrorists will rape your baby in the face. Every time someone joins a union, God kills a kitten. Have we mentioned that unions are bad? Did you know that Satan himself came up from the fiery depths of hell to start the first labor union? Oh, and if you even think about saying the word union within 1000 miles of any Wal Mart store, you will be fired." I didn't have any strong opinions about unions one way or the other at the time, but I found the whole thing to be a bit creepy and Orwellian.

Walgreens does that, too.
It acted as if even talking to a union member meant you owed them your paycheck and that was all they were after, giving nothing in return.

So does Home Depot. Although the film was more like 5-10 minutes.


I had to do work at a home depot once, and needed to get into the back office for something, I forget what it was.

But they had these "quick response guides" back there for various incidents.

There was one for fire, which had a picture of a fire on the tab. There was one for medical, with a cross, one for hostage situation, with a kalashnikov, one for a tornado, with a funnel cloud... There were about a dozen or so.

The last one was "labor organizing" which had a hammer and sickle.
 
2012-10-06 02:59:38 AM
Nobody unemployed is going to want part time work at walmart...it's less money than unemployment, and you have to do work, at walmart.
 
2012-10-06 03:36:37 AM

Goimir: The last one was "labor organizing" which had a hammer and sickle.


To be fair, can you think of another "simple" logo that would be more appropriate? Maybe stick figures holding signs, but that one might already be taken by the situation of some outside group protesting business practices or something...
 
2012-10-06 07:11:22 AM

svenge: Goimir: The last one was "labor organizing" which had a hammer and sickle.

To be fair, can you think of another "simple" logo that would be more appropriate? Maybe stick figures holding signs, but that one might already be taken by the situation of some outside group protesting business practices or something...


I don't know but I'd have thought long and hard before using that symbol. To many the only thing more offensive is a swastika.
 
2012-10-06 08:19:44 AM

Goimir: I don't know but I'd have thought long and hard before using that symbol. To many the only thing more offensive is a swastika.


It really is concise, though.

Geopolitics aside, the sickle and hammer are the symbol of Communism, which entails the control of the means of production by the working class. Unions by definition seek to increase the "power" (as defined by job security, pay, etc.) of their workers at the expense of ownership/management.

So from a certain point of view, one could see unions as a much weaker precursor of Communism. From there, the choice of logo becomes logical. 

Either that, or the guy who picked the logos for the emergency folders didn't have that much clip art to work with and picked the available picture closest to the concept at hand...
 
2012-10-06 08:47:07 AM
svenge:

Oh, it gets the point across. I don't dispute that. And a picture of a black guy with a mask would have gotten the point across of "robbery" too. A trailer off the ground would have been recognized as "tornado".
 
2012-10-06 09:03:58 AM

Goimir: svenge:

Oh, it gets the point across. I don't dispute that. And a picture of a black guy with a mask would have gotten the point across of "robbery" too. A trailer off the ground would have been recognized as "tornado".


A Catholic preist for Child Predator?
 
2012-10-06 10:31:05 AM

moefuggenbrew: Nobody unemployed is going to want part time work at walmart...it's less money than unemployment, and you have to do work, at walmart.


And how would you know? I'm sure you're way too precious to even enter a Wal-Mart.

This is why places like Wal-Mart (that is, every retail and service place, ever) likes to hire stupid people. Because stupid people don't think to do things like go on strike.

So if you ever wonder why everyone who runs a register or waits on you is an idiot, blame management, not the people. There are plenty of people who would take those lower-paying jobs who are not semi-retarded. But to places like Wal-mart, being able to treat the employees like crap is more important than making sure than people who use their stores have a decent experience.
 
2012-10-06 11:11:15 AM

cryinoutloud: This is why places like Wal-Mart (that is, every retail and service place, ever) likes to hire stupid people. Because stupid people don't think to do things like go on strike.

So if you ever wonder why everyone who runs a register or waits on you is an idiot, blame management, not the people. There are plenty of people who would take those lower-paying jobs who are not semi-retarded. But to places like Wal-mart, being able to treat the employees like crap is more important than making sure than people who use their stores have a decent experience.


Sigh...

Truth. My step sisters (not the brightest bunch) all work at Wal-Mart. Not only do they not hate it, but they think it's amazing, and that Wal-Mart is sooooo good to them because they do things like let them grab a free hot dog from the lunch counter when they're working a double.

I've tried explaining that 'good to you' means 'not having to call Bentonville when you're sick', 'getting paid more than minimum wage', 'getting paid vacation', and these magical things called 'benefits', but they won't hear it. They love their Carrie Underwood-singin, US flag-wavin, Coors Light-drinkin, southern talkin, Wal-Mart workin lifestyles, and ain't nuthin and no one gonna take it from em. Especially not some college boy with his librul views, fiddy-cent words, an uppity ways. Heah?

/ they have actually expressed indignation before because I still have all my teeth
 
2012-10-06 11:48:06 AM

whistleridge: cryinoutloud: This is why places like Wal-Mart (that is, every retail and service place, ever) likes to hire stupid people. Because stupid people don't think to do things like go on strike.

So if you ever wonder why everyone who runs a register or waits on you is an idiot, blame management, not the people. There are plenty of people who would take those lower-paying jobs who are not semi-retarded. But to places like Wal-mart, being able to treat the employees like crap is more important than making sure than people who use their stores have a decent experience.

Sigh...

Truth. My step sisters (not the brightest bunch) all work at Wal-Mart. Not only do they not hate it, but they think it's amazing, and that Wal-Mart is sooooo good to them because they do things like let them grab a free hot dog from the lunch counter when they're working a double.

I've tried explaining that 'good to you' means 'not having to call Bentonville when you're sick', 'getting paid more than minimum wage', 'getting paid vacation', and these magical things called 'benefits', but they won't hear it. They love their Carrie Underwood-singin, US flag-wavin, Coors Light-drinkin, southern talkin, Wal-Mart workin lifestyles, and ain't nuthin and no one gonna take it from em. Especially not some college boy with his librul views, fiddy-cent words, an uppity ways. Heah?

/ they have actually expressed indignation before because I still have all my teeth


Are they single?
 
2012-10-06 01:05:08 PM

pueblonative: grinding_journalist: "I'm striking because I was retaliated against for speaking out," she said. Valesquez, a single mother of five children, said that with eight hours worth of pay, she "can't even pay one bill. It's very, very hard."

Your problem, I found it.

That she's a hard working mother that wants to work for a descent wage rather than beg in the streets or live on government handouts? Yeah, I can see where that is a problem.


It is the highest form of patriotic.
 
2012-10-06 04:51:51 PM

DrMcNinja: whistleridge: cryinoutloud: This is why places like Wal-Mart (that is, every retail and service place, ever) likes to hire stupid people. Because stupid people don't think to do things like go on strike.

So if you ever wonder why everyone who runs a register or waits on you is an idiot, blame management, not the people. There are plenty of people who would take those lower-paying jobs who are not semi-retarded. But to places like Wal-mart, being able to treat the employees like crap is more important than making sure than people who use their stores have a decent experience.

Sigh...

Truth. My step sisters (not the brightest bunch) all work at Wal-Mart. Not only do they not hate it, but they think it's amazing, and that Wal-Mart is sooooo good to them because they do things like let them grab a free hot dog from the lunch counter when they're working a double.

I've tried explaining that 'good to you' means 'not having to call Bentonville when you're sick', 'getting paid more than minimum wage', 'getting paid vacation', and these magical things called 'benefits', but they won't hear it. They love their Carrie Underwood-singin, US flag-wavin, Coors Light-drinkin, southern talkin, Wal-Mart workin lifestyles, and ain't nuthin and no one gonna take it from em. Especially not some college boy with his librul views, fiddy-cent words, an uppity ways. Heah?

/ they have actually expressed indignation before because I still have all my teeth

Are they single?


Of course. And they all have kids. But I have to warn you, they're quite vocal on their insistence for a minimum of 10 inches of cock, preferably black.
 
2012-10-06 07:03:54 PM
Perhaps if the folks from Bentonville didn't spend so much money trying to stand in opposition of their workers, they might be able to pay a higher wage.

Then again, it is a Southern thing to hate labor unions and to love the people that bust them.
 
2012-10-06 07:07:20 PM

Goimir: The last one was "labor organizing" which had a hammer and sickle.


They probably wanted to suggest La Cosa Nostra, given that many anti-union materials compare labor unions to The Mob, but couldn't find a legally-compliant symbol.
 
2012-10-06 07:10:32 PM

mod3072: I did a very brief stint at a Wal Mart during college. Part of my orientation and training was to watch a required 20 minute anti-union movie. It was 20 solid minutes of "Unions are bad! No, seriously, they're the worst. Did we mention how much unions suck? Don't ever join a union or terrorists will rape your baby in the face. Every time someone joins a union, God kills a kitten. Have we mentioned that unions are bad? Did you know that Satan himself came up from the fiery depths of hell to start the first labor union? Oh, and if you even think about saying the word union within 1000 miles of any Wal Mart store, you will be fired." I didn't have any strong opinions about unions one way or the other at the time, but I found the whole thing to be a bit creepy and Orwellian.


Consider their origins as a Southern-run business, anti-union attitudes should not be surprising. In addition, the Orwellian attitude isn't new - it's simply an evolution of the practice of unionbusting from killing of life to killing of livelihood (through blacklists).
 
2012-10-08 10:32:03 AM
We don't need unions anymore! Maybe back in the days when the 1% controlled as much wealth as the 99% combined, but things are different now...

...oh wait.

To be serious, it is a miracle that unions even managed to exist at all. If it is difficult for them to establish themselves today, just imagine what it was like 100+ years ago with even less government support or labour laws to back you up. Things must have been that bad times ten in order for so many to risk so much for what must have appeared like a hopeless goal at the time. Because things are not intolerably bad is why unions have such difficulty getting established today.

Oh and Walmart and friends, come on! One of the comments in the link claims that 7 execs made $52 BILLION EACH in 2008. Would it kill you to only take home $50 billion while raising the working conditions for employees exponentially? Is $50 billion a year over $52 billion really going to make that much of a difference to your lifestyle? Come on, practice some of that Reaganomics that you always talk about already!
 
2012-10-08 11:29:49 PM

Electrify: We don't need unions anymore! Maybe back in the days when the 1% controlled as much wealth as the 99% combined, but things are different now...

...oh wait.

To be serious, it is a miracle that unions even managed to exist at all. If it is difficult for them to establish themselves today, just imagine what it was like 100+ years ago with even less government support or labour laws to back you up. Things must have been that bad times ten in order for so many to risk so much for what must have appeared like a hopeless goal at the time. Because things are not intolerably bad is why unions have such difficulty getting established today.

Oh and Walmart and friends, come on! One of the comments in the link claims that 7 execs made $52 BILLION EACH in 2008. Would it kill you to only take home $50 billion while raising the working conditions for employees exponentially? Is $50 billion a year over $52 billion really going to make that much of a difference to your lifestyle? Come on, practice some of that Reaganomics that you always talk about already!


Walmart has 2.2 million employees. That two billion spread out works out to $17 a week. You call that "raising the working conditions for employees exponentially"?

Not to mention that that $52 billion each is clearly bullshiat. That's 80% of Walmarts entire turnover. Even Apple has nowhere near that profit margin.
 
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