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2012-10-05 09:49:53 AM
What is the clip? Hindinburg?
 
2012-10-05 09:53:43 AM
Wow

Its all over Facebook, all over Fark, all my Dem friends in full Obama defense mode

How did you all get there? Losing mode?
 
2012-10-05 09:57:03 AM
But I was told Mr. Stewart was a left wing shill, that he was never critical of the democrats. Surely I wasn't mislead.
 
2012-10-05 09:57:47 AM

Krymson Tyde: But I was told Mr. Stewart was a left wing shill, that he was never critical of the democrats. Surely I wasn't mislead.


You were misled, and don't call me Shirley.
 
2012-10-05 09:59:26 AM
www.nataliedee.com
 
2012-10-05 10:00:19 AM
Actually, that clip was a pretty good match to the debate. Lackluster and emotionless.
 
2012-10-05 10:01:24 AM
Obama is a cool-headed debater. In 2008, he let McCain hang himself by saying some stupid things. Obama thinks of a campaign/race as tortoise-and-hare, and so far, it's a winning strategy for him.

Romney won the presentation Wednesday night, but he also made Big Bird a campaign issue (and he's not on the side that supports PBS almost 5-to-1), told a whole passel of lies, and (if I may spin a bit) got enough Democrats charged up that SOMETHING has to change in the next debate.

Also, Presidents-That-Never-Were Mondale, Kerry, Gore and Dole would like to remind us that the winner of the first debate still has a month or more of campaigning to do.
 
2012-10-05 10:01:27 AM
I don't believe anything that comes from the lamestream msm media. This is obviously an attempt at reverse psychology
 
2012-10-05 10:01:33 AM

nomike1: Wow

Its all over Facebook, all over Fark, all my Dem friends in full Obama defense mode

How did you all get there? Losing mode?


For those of us that are luke-warm on Obama it's a "Please not Romney!!!" mode. I think the Fark IndependentsTM aren't used to seeing their candidate out perform another so they're over reacting to the over reaction. There's still plenty of time in the campaign and we don't even know if the debate has moved the polls any.
 
2012-10-05 10:02:09 AM

Krymson Tyde: But I was told Mr. Stewart was a left wing shill, that he was never critical of the democrats. Surely I wasn't mislead.


Oh, don't go all left on me, Stewart was just "polishing the turd" the best he can, when the left wing ideas totally failed in a debate.

My guess, is Taxing the rich and "you did not build that" tactics are just not working.
 
2012-10-05 10:04:20 AM

nomike1: Krymson Tyde: But I was told Mr. Stewart was a left wing shill, that he was never critical of the democrats. Surely I wasn't mislead.

Oh, don't go all left on me, Stewart was just "polishing the turd" the best he can, when the left wing ideas totally failed in a debate.

My guess, is Taxing the rich and "you did not build that" tactics are just not working.


Left-wing ideas? Stein was at the debate?
 
2012-10-05 10:04:26 AM
Cool! Let's all watch a 30 second commercial to watch a 3 minute video
 
2012-10-05 10:04:31 AM

nomike1: left wing ideas totally failed in a debate.


I'm not sure if it's more amusing or sad that you think that's what happened.
 
2012-10-05 10:04:39 AM
This is why it's important to lower expectations beforehand.

Obama sounded like a professor; authoritative but dull to listen to, Romney was confident and presidential but played loose with the facts...Exactly as you'd expect from seeing both of them in previous debates. But we went into the debates expecting Obama to spank Romney; the past few weeks has been gaffe after gaffe for the Romney campaign. Since he managed to defy expectations and hold his own, the narrative is that it was a stunning victory.
 
2012-10-05 10:05:37 AM

nomike1: Oh, don't go all left on me, Stewart was just "polishing the turd" the best he can, when the left wing ideas totally failed in a debate.


I'm not sure what debate you watched. But I saw a pro-corporate centrist debate a pathological liar. I couldn't find many left wing ideas in that debate.
 
2012-10-05 10:07:49 AM

Mercutio74: nomike1: Wow

Its all over Facebook, all over Fark, all my Dem friends in full Obama defense mode

How did you all get there? Losing mode?

For those of us that are luke-warm on Obama it's a "Please not Romney!!!" mode. I think the Fark IndependentsTM aren't used to seeing their candidate out perform another so they're over reacting to the over reaction. There's still plenty of time in the campaign and we don't even know if the debate has moved the polls any.


Luke warm to a guy who has produced what? Where are the jobs?

How may have to be on Food stamps, before you switch?
 
2012-10-05 10:08:16 AM

Mercutio74: I couldn't find many left wing ideas in that debate.


Well, the pathological liar guy threw out a bunch, but I can't fault you for discounting the sincerity with which they were offered.
 
2012-10-05 10:08:41 AM
imgon.net

It CAN be done!
 
2012-10-05 10:09:28 AM

nomike1: Luke warm to a guy who has produced what? Where are the jobs?


Apparently, they were under the couch cushions
 
2012-10-05 10:12:30 AM

Mercutio74: nomike1: Oh, don't go all left on me, Stewart was just "polishing the turd" the best he can, when the left wing ideas totally failed in a debate.

I'm not sure what debate you watched. But I saw a pro-corporate centrist debate a pathological liar. I couldn't find many left wing ideas in that debate.


So, having the little folks get jobs, allowing for the USA to come out of the Obama depression. Is Corporate centrist?

Wow, can you please spin that some more. Please post one Lie that Romney said in the debate?
 
2012-10-05 10:12:48 AM

nomike1: Luke warm to a guy who has produced what? Where are the jobs?

How may have to be on Food stamps, before you switch?


Well, theoretically all the jobs lost during the recession have been replaced. It's hard to feel it in your day to day life because the job hemorrhaging was so bad during the end of Bush's presidency and the beginning of Obama's. Certainly you realize that you can't turn around a global economic collapse of a severity not seen in 70 years in just a couple of months... or a couple of years. Plus, because the president is only the executive, you would have to lay a lot of the blame (or praise, as the case may be) at the feet of legislators. You see, the president cannot create legislation, only influence it.
 
2012-10-05 10:14:13 AM
Hey, look, Fark account numbers are up over 800000
 
2012-10-05 10:14:15 AM
Man this shiat's good.
 
2012-10-05 10:14:32 AM
Just as the people on the right re-invent Obama to what they WANT him to be, rather than what he is ... so, too, does the left. Whatever mojo he's ever had communicating his message has been pretty much non-existant for the better part of 3 years. At his heart, he's a policy wonk. He's not JFK and MLK love child, he's a Paul Tsongas who plays basketball and watches The Wire. He's always been a weak debater.
 
2012-10-05 10:16:42 AM

Krymson Tyde: But I was told Mr. Stewart was a left wing shill, that he was never critical of the democrats. Surely I wasn't mislead.


He's a left wing shill that only gets pissed at Democrats when they aren't liberal enough for his taste. He attacks Republicans for their political stances along with everything else. I don't recall seeing him attack a Democrat for a political stance unless it was a conservative political stance.
 
2012-10-05 10:16:46 AM

nomike1: Mercutio74: nomike1: Oh, don't go all left on me, Stewart was just "polishing the turd" the best he can, when the left wing ideas totally failed in a debate.

I'm not sure what debate you watched. But I saw a pro-corporate centrist debate a pathological liar. I couldn't find many left wing ideas in that debate.

So, having the little folks get jobs, allowing for the USA to come out of the Obama depression. Is Corporate centrist?

Wow, can you please spin that some more. Please post one Lie that Romney said in the debate?


1/2 of green companies who received subsidies went bankrupt

I am not proposing a $4 trillion tax cut

$716 billion out of Medicare DERP

etc. etc.
 
2012-10-05 10:16:59 AM

nomike1: So, having the little folks get jobs, allowing for the USA to come out of the Obama depression. Is Corporate centrist?

Wow, can you please spin that some more. Please post one Lie that Romney said in the debate?


No, corporate centrist is praising a healthcare bill that mandates 100% participation in a private market. Corporate centrist is giving away loans to Wall St. and the auto industry. It's talking about lowering an already low corporate tax rate.

One lie of Romney's from the debate. That whole bullshiat about a panel deciding what treatments people can have. Obama even explained the function of that panel and Mitt still repeated the lie afterwards.
 
2012-10-05 10:17:10 AM

bulldg4life: Hey, look, Fark account numbers are up over 800000


That's only about 120,000 with the alts removed
 
2012-10-05 10:17:21 AM

bulldg4life: Hey, look, Fark account numbers are up over 800000


I'll admit, this made me laugh more than it probably should have.
 
2012-10-05 10:18:47 AM

tomWright: That's only about 120,000 with the alts removed


Seeing as how everybody in this thread is jizzing over responding to a new one, it looks like we have to count the alts.
 
2012-10-05 10:18:47 AM

InmanRoshi: He's always been a weak debater.


Ehh, he did pretty good in the final one against McCain. The first two suffered from the same thing this one suffered from; he sounded like he was trying to teach a classroom instead of trying to win a debate.
 
2012-10-05 10:18:53 AM
Al Gore's statement is so embarrassing. Obama did a terrible job, let's hope he does better.
 
2012-10-05 10:18:59 AM
The important thing to take from the reaction of this debate is that Republicans value style and emotional response over facts and truth.

Not that this is a shock to anyone.
 
2012-10-05 10:19:51 AM
Romney is jacked whilst on his victory lap following his 'go BIG' strategy
he'll deliver some comedy gold any minute now
 
2012-10-05 10:21:42 AM

strapp3r: Romney is jacked whilst on his victory lap following his 'go BIG' strategy
he'll deliver some comedy gold any minute now


If his campaign managers are smart they'll keep him locked in a closet until his next debate so he doesn't the (minor) traction he gained from his performance.
 
2012-10-05 10:21:56 AM

nomike1: Wow

Its all over Facebook, all over Fark, all my Dem friends in full Obama defense mode

How did you all get there? Losing mode?


Mitt said his healthcare plan covers people with preexisting conditions...when in fact his plan only reverts back to the previous law, which only applies to people maintaining continuous coverage. Thus, completely ignoring the actual problem solved by Obamacare (and Romneycare btw).

That problem being that anyone who loses their healthcare ins. due to losing their job etc. cannot find affordable insurance if they have a preexisting condition.

Do you think Romney was being honest there? As a Mitt fan can you offer a thoughtful response or just the typical misleading non-answer that I've come to expect?

/any Mitt fan's response would be welcome
 
2012-10-05 10:22:10 AM

OneTimed: The important thing to take from the reaction of this debate is that Republicans value style and emotional response over facts and truth.

Not that this is a shock to anyone.


Facts are like an etch-a-sketch. Just shake it up and come up with new ones when the old ones aren't convenient
 
2012-10-05 10:22:11 AM

Gunther: Obama sounded like a professor; authoritative but dull to listen to, Romney was confident and presidential but played loose with the facts...Exactly as you'd expect from seeing both of them in previous debates. But we went into the debates expecting Obama to spank Romney; the past few weeks has been gaffe after gaffe for the Romney campaign. Since he managed to defy expectations and hold his own, the narrative is that it was a stunning victory.


exactly. Anyone with half a brain knew that as long Romney didn't shiat his pants or call Obama the "N Word" He'd most likely "do better than expected" Which is kinda paradoxical but that's how our narrative works.

His campaign was "floundering" in the weeks before the debate. People were writing "Pre-mortems" Basically his expectation was artificially lowered that way and there was no where to fall but up.

He sounded stiff and awkward as a board to me, but he was on the offensive, accusing obama of things, while Obama didn't reciprocate or he straight up denied anything Obama said. And here's the fatal flaw Obama made: He listened to what Romney was saying. He didn't hammer talking points over and over again into the public's skull. He listened to Romney's denials and tried to make sense of it and reformulate attacks. He gave us all too much credit, like we knew the particular details of the policies Romney has been talking about.

The Narrative now is that equalibrium has been reached. Expect the next debate to be "a strong democrat counterpunch, but still very close" and the final one to be "neck and neck!" (modify for any intervening events)

/also the bizarre notion that there's an objective "winner" is what really kills me.
 
2012-10-05 10:24:34 AM

bulldg4life: tomWright: That's only about 120,000 with the alts removed

Seeing as how everybody in this thread is jizzing over responding to a new one, it looks like we have to count the alts.


At least make it hard to tell. At least my alts have green-lights
 
2012-10-05 10:25:04 AM

nomike1: Mercutio74: nomike1: Oh, don't go all left on me, Stewart was just "polishing the turd" the best he can, when the left wing ideas totally failed in a debate.

I'm not sure what debate you watched. But I saw a pro-corporate centrist debate a pathological liar. I couldn't find many left wing ideas in that debate.

So, having the little folks get jobs, allowing for the USA to come out of the Obama depression. Is Corporate centrist?

Wow, can you please spin that some more. Please post one Lie that Romney said in the debate?


Oh look, another "Obama's the libbest lib that ever libbed by means of socialism." I think I figured out why you guys have so many alts; you keep forgetting your password because you're all functionally retarded.
 
2012-10-05 10:25:45 AM
I doubt it was by design, but I thoroughly expect that the next debate will be something like this:

Obama: "On [X date], my opponent vowed [insert statement]. At the last debate, my opponent said [insert exact opposite of first statement]. These two positions are impossible to be held simultaneously, so Mr. Romney is clearly being untruthful on one or the other. I believe he owes it to Americans to tell them which of these two opposite statements he stands behind, and which one he was lying about just to pander to the public."

(modify with next point and repeat for the duration of the debate).
 
2012-10-05 10:26:24 AM
I think they should be forced to use the same accounts for years. The really good trolls have the same accounts. There are some that have been around for 7/8/9 years. Taking a month old account in to a thread and repeatedly shiatting out whatever pops in to your head isn't funny.
 
2012-10-05 10:27:14 AM
So lemme get this straight. I'm supposed to be depressed because my guy didn't act like a bully?
 
2012-10-05 10:29:35 AM

Gunther: InmanRoshi: He's always been a weak debater.

Ehh, he did pretty good in the final one against McCain. The first two suffered from the same thing this one suffered from; he sounded like he was trying to teach a classroom instead of trying to win a debate.


I would say he pretty much had a draw with McCain, but Im not sure that's a great compliment for Obama's debate skills. McCain is a much weaker debator than Romney is. McCain gets testy and flustered. He's not the natural salesman that Romney is. He didn't really like to lie, and he was visually pained. Meanwhile, Romney is phenomenal as a debator precisely because he's a natural and effortless liar. He's basically Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glenn Ross, and puts A.I.D.A into every debate performance.
 
2012-10-05 10:30:00 AM

bulldg4life: I think they should be forced to use the same accounts for years. The really good trolls have the same accounts. There are some that have been around for 7/8/9 years. Taking a month old account in to a thread and repeatedly shiatting out whatever pops in to your head isn't funny.


That's true. Trolling used to MEAN something. The personas were so well fleshed out. It was almost like going to some historical site in Philadelphia and talking with an actor portraying Ben Franklin. Now it's like going to LA and having some sweaty guy dressed as Spiderman grope your kids.
 
2012-10-05 10:33:16 AM

unexplained bacon: ...


there's a really good tpm link abit down in the tab about romney's health care plan. in the debate he said it would cover pre-existing conditions, right after the debate one of his advisors said it wouldn't.

romney won with presentation but now he'll have to spend all his time walking back everything he said in the debate.
 
2012-10-05 10:34:04 AM
I favor Obama over Romney based on the policies they've been endorsing.
The debates haven't changed any policy positions apart from Romney not really having any firm policy positions.
 
2012-10-05 10:36:12 AM

Jaws_Victim: Al Gore's statement is so embarrassing. Obama did a terrible job, let's hope he does better.


This.

/voting Obama
 
2012-10-05 10:36:30 AM

InmanRoshi: Just as the people on the right re-invent Obama to what they WANT him to be, rather than what he is ... so, too, does the left. Whatever mojo he's ever had communicating his message has been pretty much non-existant for the better part of 3 years. At his heart, he's a policy wonk. He's not JFK and MLK love child, he's a Paul Tsongas who plays basketball and watches The Wire. He's always been a weak debater.


Don't you be dissing Tsongas. He had the coolest last name ever for a Democrat and his followers could kill you and make it look like an accident.
 
2012-10-05 10:43:29 AM

THX 1138: I doubt it was by design, but I thoroughly expect that the next debate will be something like this:

Obama: "On [X date], my opponent vowed [insert statement]. At the last debate, my opponent said [insert exact opposite of first statement]. These two positions are impossible to be held simultaneously, so Mr. Romney is clearly being untruthful on one or the other. I believe he owes it to Americans to tell them which of these two opposite statements he stands behind, and which one he was lying about just to pander to the public."

(modify with next point and repeat for the duration of the debate).


Obama basically did that on Wednesday night. "Romney's asking for $5T in tax cuts that have to be paid for somehow. There are literally not enough deductions to cut without also hitting the middle class, or to have to go back and raise rates later. This isn't 'independent analysis', it's farking BASIC MATHEMATICS."

Romney: "Nu-uh. I'm not asking to cut $5T, and besides, there are WAY more than enough deductions that no one's going to see any tax increases. Also, we'll use growth to pay down the deficit."

WHO TO BELIEVE
 
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