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(BBC)   Muslim billionaire awards $1 million to Christian archbishop for "speaking truth to power." Tag is for both   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 58
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2012-10-05 02:04:56 AM
Quakers are good people for the most part. Their words shouldn't used to describe the other religions.
 
2012-10-05 02:08:27 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Their words shouldn't used to describe the other religions.


Quakers aren't Christians?
 
2012-10-05 02:18:21 AM
Doesn't count. Desmond Tutu is black and African. I'm pretty sure he's a secret Muslim.
 
2012-10-05 02:20:54 AM
Inter-faith harmony and respect in these turbulent times?

files.myopera.com
 
2012-10-05 02:24:56 AM
$1million. It says so right in the headline, jeez.
 
2012-10-05 02:25:54 AM
This thread will not end well
 
2012-10-05 02:27:03 AM

Somacandra: God-is-a-Taco: Their words shouldn't used to describe the other religions.

Quakers aren't Christians?


Quakers are the Canadians of Christianity.

Do Canadians count?
 
2012-10-05 02:29:15 AM
Richard Nixon was a Quaker, so interpret that as you see fit.
 
2012-10-05 02:37:10 AM

Summoner101: Somacandra: God-is-a-Taco: Their words shouldn't used to describe the other religions.

Quakers aren't Christians?

Quakers are the Canadians of Christianity.

Do Canadians count?


Only in Michigan. Has something to do witht the deal they got for the 10-cent bottle return rate.
 
2012-10-05 02:37:40 AM
Great to see some people get along despite their differences.

i604.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 02:40:48 AM

Happy Hours: Doesn't count. Desmond Tutu is black and African. I'm pretty sure he's a secret Muslim.


If the "Archbishop Tutu is a secret Muslim" made it as a conspiracy theory, I think we might finally have the definitive division by zero we've all been seeking.
 
2012-10-05 02:44:06 AM
I was more than half expecting the headline to be ironic, but it wasn't.

Good story with a good man.
 
2012-10-05 02:53:08 AM
i1207.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 03:03:49 AM
If you have a true interest in peace, you can look beyond religious affiliation and cultural divides. People like Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Mo Ibrahim, Aung San Suu Kyi, and Jimmy Carter have been both true leaders as well as icons in the struggle to bring world peace.

It's a never-ending battle, but we're all better off for these people having lived and done their good work.
 
2012-10-05 03:11:37 AM

Somacandra: God-is-a-Taco: Their words shouldn't used to describe the other religions.

Quakers aren't Christians?


Some of them consider themselves Christians, some don't.

By their actions, they are not Christian. They're famously against war and violence, they accepted homosexuality/gay marriage decades ago, and live by the their rules without hurting anyone else.

I find their technological stasis foolish, but they just might be the Western religion that has created more good than bad in the world.
 
2012-10-05 03:18:06 AM
Was he critical of Egypt when the Gaza strip was under their control and "Palestinians" weren't given any special recognition? *cough* Nor did they ask for it or act like they were occupied.

The problems of the Palestinians are of their, or more specifically their leaders, own making.
 
2012-10-05 03:23:25 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Some of them consider themselves Christians, some don't.

By their actions, they are not Christian. They're famously against war and violence, they accepted homosexuality/gay marriage decades ago, and live by the their rules without hurting anyone else.


Do you know what Christianity is? Christianity can, will, and does exist without the OT
 
2012-10-05 03:23:27 AM

randomjsa: derp


Herp: Not Even Once.
 
2012-10-05 03:25:07 AM
Of course, this means Mo Ibrahim isn't a "real" Muslim, right haters?
 
2012-10-05 03:30:47 AM
randomjsa, the whole point is that Israel does give the Palestinians special recognition.

static.guim.co.uk
 
2012-10-05 03:41:42 AM
I am still mad at bishop tutu for breaking doug flutie's heisman trophy.
 
2012-10-05 03:45:17 AM

randomjsa: Was he critical of Egypt when the Gaza strip was under their control and "Palestinians" weren't given any special recognition? *cough* Nor did they ask for it or act like they were occupied.

The problems of the Palestinians are of their, or more specifically their leaders, own making.


Actually the foundation is very critical to Northern African countries in governance.
 
2012-10-05 03:47:10 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: I am still mad at bishop tutu for breaking doug flutie's heisman trophy.


Hey he tried to fix it with his tie or something didn't he?
 
2012-10-05 03:53:55 AM

grinnel:
Do you know what Christianity is? Christianity can, will, and does exist without the OT



Wars started by Quakers, against Quakers, or about Quakers: 0
People killed in the name of Quaker beliefs: 0
Same-sex marriage acceptance: 1978
Slavery: Mostly abolished among Quakers in the 18th century, before America was even a country 

For Quaker God's sake, they even have atheist communities among Quakerdom.

Also:thecouponproject.com 

Look in his eyes. Is that not the man who represents the divine?
 
2012-10-05 04:01:27 AM

God-is-a-Taco: grinnel:
Do you know what Christianity is? Christianity can, will, and does exist without the OT


Wars started by Quakers, against Quakers, or about Quakers: 0
People killed in the name of Quaker beliefs: 0
Same-sex marriage acceptance: 1978
Slavery: Mostly abolished among Quakers in the 18th century, before America was even a country 

For Quaker God's sake, they even have atheist communities among Quakerdom.

Also:[thecouponproject.com image 320x320] 

Look in his eyes. Is that not the man who represents the divine?


Can't you say just about the same thing about the Amish?

/Except in regards to the Mennonites
//Fark the Mennonites
 
2012-10-05 04:03:53 AM

God-is-a-Taco: grinnel:
Do you know what Christianity is? Christianity can, will, and does exist without the OT


Wars started by Quakers, against Quakers, or about Quakers: 0
People killed in the name of Quaker beliefs: 0
Same-sex marriage acceptance: 1978
Slavery: Mostly abolished among Quakers in the 18th century, before America was even a country 

For Quaker God's sake, they even have atheist communities among Quakerdom.

Also:[thecouponproject.com image 320x320] 

Look in his eyes. Is that not the man who represents the divine?


Again, like any other anti-Christian* on fark, you are just proving your hate for Jews. Research and then come at me bro.

*also includes fundies who can't seem to read the NT 
 
2012-10-05 04:08:53 AM

Somacandra: God-is-a-Taco: Their words shouldn't used to describe the other religions.

Quakers aren't Christians?


Most other Christian sects would probably say they're not. They don't believe in the Trinity. They don't believe in the Eucharist. There's no demand to accept the divinity of Christ -most Quakers I've met tend to view him as a wise teacher, but not divine.

If more Christian sects were like the Quakers, there'd be fewer problems in the world.

/Grew up in Philly
//Quaker central
 
2012-10-05 04:13:55 AM

God-is-a-Taco:
I find their technological stasis foolish, but they just might be the Western religion that has created more good than bad in the world.


Most Quaker denominations aren't actually related to the Luddite movement. They don't produce a lot of really good people, either, but by the same token they don't produce any bad ones either. Mostly they're just really chill about things, which is bad when you want to get something done but pretty nice when all the other religions are busy trying to meddle in your private life. Pleasant, I guess, would be the word.
 
2012-10-05 04:18:05 AM
Yeah, but how many instant oatmeals are the other guys making?
No one addressed that point of mine.
 
2012-10-05 04:24:59 AM
Sorry for double post but I didn't see grinnel's remark:

grinnel:
Again, like any other anti-Christian on fark, you are just proving your hate for Jews. Research and then come at me bro.


I'd be annoyed that you have no argument to offer, but my post reminded me that I need to buy some "Raisins and Spices" Quaker oatmeal so all is well.
I've tried other brands, and nothing beats the Quaker stuff.
 
2012-10-05 04:25:40 AM
Is it wrong that I read the Archbishop's words in his voice? Am I going to die?

/good on both of these men
 
2012-10-05 04:25:51 AM

ongbok: randomjsa: Was he critical of Egypt when the Gaza strip was under their control and "Palestinians" weren't given any special recognition? *cough* Nor did they ask for it or act like they were occupied.

The problems of the Palestinians are of their, or more specifically their leaders, own making.

Actually the foundation is very critical to Northern African countries in governance.

launched in October 2006


Not applicable but it is something. I'm not sure what it will accomplish in the long run however.
 
2012-10-05 04:26:52 AM

Summoner101: Can't you say just about the same thing about the Amish?


Not really, the Amish are actually pretty batshiat when it comes to religion. And there's no one standard brand of "Amishism"; each church makes up its own rules, and a church may be as small as two or three extended families.
 
2012-10-05 04:57:56 AM
(rechecks the article) Why is the thread talking about Quakers? I don't get it.
 
2012-10-05 05:01:16 AM

grinnel: Christianity can, will, and does exist without the OT



Wow and here you are derping up this topic. Are you serious? The Bible is the Bible. Both OT and NT. Jesus said he comes to fulfil the old laws, not remove them. You still have to follow the 10 Commandments that are in the OT not the NT. You are just a fairweather religious person. But that isn't surprising, a conservative has to be.
 
2012-10-05 05:13:39 AM
Joy Link
 
2012-10-05 05:21:40 AM

Coelacanth: Joy Link


thank you. hope you like sky blue.
 
2012-10-05 06:35:53 AM
I like Tutu. He has my respect for standing with his principles when the ANC turned from the liberation party that they were to the corrupt scumbags that are worse than their predecessors post Mandela. He is one of their biggest critics.
 
2012-10-05 07:39:30 AM

Alphax: (rechecks the article) Why is the thread talking about Quakers? I don't get it.


The phrase Speak Truth to Power is primarily associated with Quakers. And it's a sentiment they like to put in to practice. Link
 
2012-10-05 07:49:09 AM

intelligent comment below: grinnel: Christianity can, will, and does exist without the OT


Wow and here you are derping up this topic. Are you serious? The Bible is the Bible. Both OT and NT. Jesus said he comes to fulfil the old laws, not remove them. You still have to follow the 10 Commandments that are in the OT not the NT. You are just a fairweather religious person. But that isn't surprising, a conservative has to be.


I can't speak to all Friends' Meetings, however, the one in the metro Atlanta area has a basic three year guideline for Religious Education that rotates these topics: Old Testament, New Testament, Quaker Values and History. For very young children, Doctor Suess books are popular with teachers during the Quaker Values year.

As for specifics such as the trinity and belief sets around Christ, it depends on which Quaker you ask. If there is one central tenet of the Religious Society of Friends, I suppose it is that there is that of God in every person. This statement is their foundation for their strong commitment to equality.

There are commonly held testaments. They are taught to children with the acronym SPICE. SPICE represents Simplicity, Peace, Integrity, Community, and Equality.
 
2012-10-05 07:52:25 AM
Sometimes I am such a lu-lu. I should have saved the blah-blah-blah and simply posted this link. Link

Sorry, I didn't think of it sooner, but I'm still sleepy.
 
2012-10-05 08:05:36 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Quakers are good people for the most part. Their words shouldn't used to describe the other religions.


Tutu is an anglican.


Mithiwithi: randomjsa, the whole point is that Israel does give the Palestinians special recognition.

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


What do you htink would have been happening in Gaza controlled Egypt if the palestenians there launched a series of suicide bombings, and showered Egypt with thousands of rockets?

and before you launch into blaming Israel for said attacks because of their harsh treatment you may want to look at the standard of living under Egyptian vice Israeli control. Under any objective measure (life expectance, literacy, income, infant mortality, # of hospitals and universitiesetc) it was better.
 
2012-10-05 08:07:06 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Sorry for double post but I didn't see grinnel's remark:

grinnel:
Again, like any other anti-Christian on fark, you are just proving your hate for Jews. Research and then come at me bro.


I'd be annoyed that you have no argument to offer, but my post reminded me that I need to buy some "Raisins and Spices" Quaker oatmeal so all is well.
I've tried other brands, and nothing beats the Quaker stuff.


Damn, now I want breakfast. With lots of piping hot coffee. Oh, I've tried other enemas...

\Thank you, Emo Philips
 
2012-10-05 08:11:17 AM

somemoron: God-is-a-Taco: Sorry for double post but I didn't see grinnel's remark:

grinnel:
Again, like any other anti-Christian on fark, you are just proving your hate for Jews. Research and then come at me bro.


I'd be annoyed that you have no argument to offer, but my post reminded me that I need to buy some "Raisins and Spices" Quaker oatmeal so all is well.
I've tried other brands, and nothing beats the Quaker stuff.

Damn, now I want breakfast. With lots of piping hot coffee. Oh, I've tried other enemas...

\Thank you, Emo Philips


The Big Bird thread is still messing with my mind. At first I read your reply as "Thank-you, Elmo, Philips." For a moment I was wondering which puppet was Philips. On the plus side, I am now consuming a beverage that contains caffeine.
 
2012-10-05 08:17:07 AM

Alphax: (rechecks the article) Why is the thread talking about Quakers? I don't get it.


I'm lost too...
 
2012-10-05 08:22:43 AM

Lunaville: Alphax: (rechecks the article) Why is the thread talking about Quakers? I don't get it.

The phrase Speak Truth to Power is primarily associated with Quakers. And it's a sentiment they like to put in to practice. Link


Huh. I had no idea and I went to a Quaker grammar school...the things you learn on Fark!
 
2012-10-05 08:39:29 AM

Smoking GNU: I like Tutu. He has my respect for standing with his principles when the ANC turned from the liberation party that they were to the corrupt scumbags that are worse than their predecessors post Mandela. He is one of their biggest critics.


Tutu is one of the few voices in the international community who has been consistently on the right and moral side of every issue.
 
2012-10-05 08:50:17 AM

Happy Hours: Doesn't count. Desmond Tutu is black and African. I'm pretty sure he's a secret Muslim.


I'd be happy to spread that derp at work, just for the lulz, but I'm pretty sure the few redneck fundies there have no idea who he is...

/ or where South Africa is located on a World map...
 
2012-10-05 09:47:39 AM
speaking truth to power

What the hell does that mean? There is someone named Truth saying something to Power?
 
2012-10-05 09:50:35 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Wars started by Quakers, against Quakers, or about Quakers: 0


Ahem. Major General Nathanael Greene. He didn't start a war, but he was kind of a big deal in ending one.
 
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