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(AZ Family)   Don't you hate it when you have excessive fluid on the brain so a doctor implants an experimental shunt in your head to relieve the pressure and then retires and since it's experimental nobody else knows what to do when the shunt breaks?   (azfamily.com) divider line 43
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2012-10-05 02:22:50 AM  
Trepanning FTW.
 
2012-10-05 02:30:17 AM  
Banner Good Samaritan Hospital

You know when it's a good time to say no to experiments?
When the name Banner is involved.

/Oh, and don't get angry
//We don't like you when you're angry
 
2012-10-05 02:31:48 AM  
Happens.
 
2012-10-05 02:32:14 AM  
So far, no doctors in Arizona have been able to help Carissa because of the experimental nature of the shunt.
"We basically have hit a roadblock, because it's an experimental shunt," said Daniella. "No other neurosurgeon here has dealt with this kind of shunt. They're not familiar with it."



Did I miss the news when they closed the other borders?
 
2012-10-05 02:34:46 AM  
This is like the exact plot of the Invisible Man TV show on the old SciFi channel, shot on location in downtown San Diego.
 
2012-10-05 02:41:37 AM  

Gordian Shoelaces: So far, no doctors in Arizona have been able to help Carissa because of the experimental nature of the shunt.
"We basically have hit a roadblock, because it's an experimental shunt," said Daniella. "No other neurosurgeon here has dealt with this kind of shunt. They're not familiar with it."


Did I miss the news when they closed the other borders?


Maybe they can fly some of those doctors in from another 3rd world hellhole.
 
2012-10-05 02:52:00 AM  
So the retired doctor did all these experiments in private with no documentation or anything? Didn't mention anything to anyone, ever?

Really?

I have to know more because this don't make no sense!
 
2012-10-05 02:59:02 AM  
I get the feeling this is more an issue of legal liability. If the doctors try to fix it and fail, then the family can sue. If they do nothing, they can't be held liable. Hooray for tort reform.
 
2012-10-05 03:18:46 AM  
What a total shunt.
 
2012-10-05 03:26:46 AM  

croesius: What a total shunt.


i think you mean twunt, as in cheryl.
 
2012-10-05 03:32:04 AM  
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Willie and Frankie also hates it when that happens.
 
2012-10-05 03:33:25 AM  
So why don't they just remove the experimental one and put a normal one in? I still think that's slightly better than being told at the ER you have excessive fluid on the brain only to go to your primary doctor to find out your corpus callosum is missing and you only have one big pocket of fluid.
 
2012-10-05 03:43:08 AM  
Stupid shunt.
 
2012-10-05 04:13:53 AM  
I do hate it when that happens.
 
2012-10-05 04:24:40 AM  
one word,
IDIOTS
 
2012-10-05 04:31:48 AM  

A Terrible Human: told at the ER you have excessive fluid on the brain only to go to your primary doctor to find out your corpus callosum is missing and you only have one big pocket of fluid.


The things you learn:

http://agenesiscorpuscallosum.blogspot.com.au/
 
2012-10-05 04:34:19 AM  
trekcore.com

My God, man! Drilling holes in his head isn't the answer! The artery must be repaired! Now put away your butcher knives and let me save this patient before it's too late!
 
2012-10-05 05:39:09 AM  
You can't argue with the death panels we already have in place.
 
GBB
2012-10-05 06:04:34 AM  
I had a girlfriend in highschool that had something similar. This was 1991-1992. She had an obvious "thing" near her collar bone, under the skin. She explained it was to help drain the fluid around her brain.

There is no way that no one knows what do to here. It's not like this guy made her a Borg and now no one can take out the implants.
 
2012-10-05 07:47:09 AM  
There is only one way to fix this.
j-walkblog.com
 
2012-10-05 07:57:38 AM  
A shunt is just a valve, right? How complicated could it be? They can't consult with an engineer? No way to track down the manufacturer? I mean, I know they said they can't reach the doctor and there's no documentation, but did the doctor fabricate the shunt in his garage?
 
2012-10-05 07:59:53 AM  

Revek: You can't argue with the death panels we already have in place.


Spin it how you wish but we all know Obama went back in his time machine and inflicted Obamacare on this poor girl.
 
2012-10-05 08:17:38 AM  
Put in another shunt. She isn't the only patient with hydrocephalus and there isn't a a shunt shortage. A shunt is a 30 minute operation and replacing one is even quicker so there's some other factor at play like nobody is willing to pay for it and you can't repo a shunt.
 
2012-10-05 08:23:56 AM  
media.giantbomb.com
 
2012-10-05 08:57:22 AM  
Why haven't they contacted the manufacturer of the shunt? I know it was experimental, but it's not a device her doctor would have been making on his own in his basement.
 
2012-10-05 09:17:17 AM  
Seriously, the doctor just vanished off the face of the Earth?
Get a detective to find him and drag him back kicking and screaming if you must. He probably lives around the same city still.
Or, as a doctor be a professional and do what you have to do to get it fixed.
If you can get it in, you can get it out. Call it an emergency procedure and pretend it's an ice pick. You'll find a way to get it out.
 
2012-10-05 09:41:08 AM  
...this stuff should be charted. If nothing else, the type of shunt, brand, operative procedure etc should be in the operative notes. I have a hard time believing that the absence of a single pediatric neurosurgeon would lead to a stand still like this. Something stinks big time.
What we really need in this position is more information...there is some sort of fark detective brigade, right?
 
2012-10-05 09:45:44 AM  

WhoGAS: So the retired doctor did all these experiments in private with no documentation or anything? Didn't mention anything to anyone, ever?

Really?

I have to know more because this don't make no sense!


This.

discount sushi: Why haven't they contacted the manufacturer of the shunt? I know it was experimental, but it's not a device her doctor would have been making on his own in his basement.


And this.

Unless this "doctor" was some kind of mad scientist working only with Igor, there must be some kind of documentation somewhere. Certainly it's gross misconduct by the original hospital if they allowed him to perform surgery (especially experimental surgery) without written documentation of what he did. This whole story makes no sense.
 
2012-10-05 09:58:19 AM  
DRTA but here's a related joke...

A woman goes to the plastic surgeon for a face lift. "Doctor, you gotta help me, I've got these bags under my eyes!"

So the doc does a little lift on her. A month later she's back. "Doctor, the bags are back! Do something!". Realizing he has a high-maintenance patient, he installs a screw on the side of her head and tells her "OK, when the bags come back just turn this screw. But JUST a little, don't overdo it."

Two months later she bursts into his office, screaming "The bags! The bags are back!"

Doc says "Lady, those aren't bags, those are your boobs, and if you keep turning that screw you'll have a beard!"
 
2012-10-05 10:04:28 AM  

Securitywyrm: I get the feeling this is more an issue of legal liability. If the doctors try to fix it and fail, then the family can sue. If they do nothing, they can't be held liable. Hooray for tort reform.


Or the family could sign informed consent ackowledging that there are risks to the surgery, sue and have their case thrown out early in the process. The couple thousand in court costs for doctor will be picked up by his malpractice insurance.

That's theway it usually works.
 
2012-10-05 10:07:32 AM  

WhoGAS: So the retired doctor did all these experiments in private with no documentation or anything? Didn't mention anything to anyone, ever?

Really?

I have to know more because this don't make no sense!


She didn't have regular checkups regarding her issue and the shunts? If so you'd think there would be a doctor familiar with the situation and documentation. I also don't buy the you are not a child so we can't help anymore. I had a family member in their 50s with a heart condition that was congenital and although 90% fixed as a child still had some issues. There were regular checkups and when special care was needed or surgery they'd go to a pediatric center because those were the ones most familiar with the problem.

Like most news today this is probably less than 50% of the story.
 
2012-10-05 11:52:12 AM  

HotWingAgenda: This is like the exact plot of the Invisible Man TV show on the old SciFi channel, shot on location in downtown San Diego.


Bobby Hobbs!
 
2012-10-05 12:22:39 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Gordian Shoelaces: So far, no doctors in Arizona have been able to help Carissa because of the experimental nature of the shunt.
"We basically have hit a roadblock, because it's an experimental shunt," said Daniella. "No other neurosurgeon here has dealt with this kind of shunt. They're not familiar with it."


Did I miss the news when they closed the other borders?

Maybe they can fly some of those doctors in from another 3rd world hellhole.


The problem is the fact that the "Experimental" nature of the procedure included a device and not prayer. All of the remaining neurosurgeons attempts using all of their combined text book knowledge learned from K-12 and Arizona Universities text books failed to pray out the shunt or repair it. They are completely out of options.
 
2012-10-05 12:28:10 PM  

Securitywyrm: I get the feeling this is more an issue of legal liability. If the doctors try to fix it and fail, then the family can sue. If they do nothing, they can't be held liable. Hooray for tort reform.


That's my guess, also. Nobody feels they understand all the details.
 
2012-10-05 01:01:08 PM  

discount sushi: Why haven't they contacted the manufacturer of the shunt? I know it was experimental, but it's not a device her doctor would have been making on his own in his basement.


I won't be surprised if it turns out the device company has gone under. A lot of device companies are small, one-hit wonders. If their device never makes it to market, they end up declaring bankruptcy.
 
2012-10-05 01:20:42 PM  
Gee AZ don't use the internet or post the doctor's name to find him or anything. Maybe call hospitals OUTSIDE AZ to find someone to keep this poor woman.

Sometimes the smartest people are the dumbest people.
 
2012-10-05 01:21:55 PM  
I mean HELP not keep.

See what did I just say?
 
2012-10-05 01:59:02 PM  
Do an experimental procedure, doctor who knows it retires, leaves you dangling. Should resemble a lawsuit soon.
 
2012-10-05 04:41:14 PM  
This seems more than a little ridiculous. How is this pathetic excuse even flying?
 
2012-10-05 06:11:08 PM  

Loren: Securitywyrm: I get the feeling this is more an issue of legal liability. If the doctors try to fix it and fail, then the family can sue. If they do nothing, they can't be held liable. Hooray for tort reform.

That's my guess, also. Nobody feels they understand all the details.


"Don't tug on that. You never know what it's attached too."
 
2012-10-05 11:51:21 PM  
Can't you like 3D print a new one?
 
2012-10-06 12:03:27 AM  

Honest Bender: A shunt is just a valve, right? How complicated could it be? They can't consult with an engineer? No way to track down the manufacturer? I mean, I know they said they can't reach the doctor and there's no documentation, but did the doctor fabricate the shunt in his garage?


Somewhere there is a crapload of paperwork on this thing. FDA requires it.

However either they are BSing because they fear liability issues or my view of the medical profession will drop another couple notches as doctors can't look at an x-ray and figure out drain plumbing.
 
2012-10-06 05:27:38 PM  
Well now, it's not like it'd take a brain surgeon to figure this out or anything...
 
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