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(Daily Mail)   11-year-old girl who needs a heart and liver transplant can't contain her joy after killing 335-pound bear on hunting trip. Too bad he didn't have a heart and a liver in his pic-a-nic basket   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 384
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2012-10-05 01:07:23 PM

Tellingthem: It wasn't so much snow as it was the rain. We shot a lot in the rain and i saw some flints having water issues so I never wanted to deal with it. I also may have just been a bit paranoid. I do have that tendency haha


There are ways to keep a flintlock firing in the rain, but yeah, there is a bit of this to it:

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/That's my gun, btw.
 
2012-10-05 01:08:45 PM

CeroX:
Alright, i'll concede to the point of potatoes and other root veggies... Kale and Chard surviving 2 frosts is really only valid if you live in an area that it doesn't really snow or frost that often...

My grandmother used to keep potatoes in the basement, they actually started growing roots down there... I wouldn't peg onions to do that though, I've had onions go bad in just a couple of weeks... Carrots wither up but are still technically edible... I have no idea about turnips, i don't like them anyway... She also tried keeping green beans in the basement, but we always had to string them and can them quickly after a month or so because they would start to turn...

But my grandparents also lived on ...


Funny, I don't really like turnips either. I don't know why I grow them. Tradition I guess.

Potatoes won't sprout unless they get warm. I keep mine in the cold corner of the cellar, probably 45F, and the eyes don't sprout until April-ish (I'm in Zone 5). Onions will go bad if you pull them while the tops are still green, or the soil is damp, or if you don't cure them all the way before storage. And I find they keep better in dry conditions unlike most other root vegetables.

Carrots don't shrivel if you store them in damp sand. Same with parsnips. And most other root vegetables need high humidity to keep right.

I wouldn't try storing green beans without canning or freezing them, not the cultivars breed for eating green, anyway. If you plant a common bean, like navy or black or one of the dozens of other types of common bean and let them dry totally on the stalk, they'll keep a long time. Stored cool and dry.

I'm not even really sure what we were talking about any more, but if you want any preservation tips, let me know. I've been doing it a while.
 
2012-10-05 01:10:12 PM

rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.


What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?
 
2012-10-05 01:13:17 PM
Disgusting little asshole. I hope she dies soon.
 
2012-10-05 01:13:42 PM

jigger: rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?


Yes
 
2012-10-05 01:16:35 PM

rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?

Yes


Did these people eat this bear? Doubtful. They'll probably just stuff it.

Maybe they should stuff and mount the kid after she dies too. To commemorate the occasion. And as a trophy to their reproductive prowess.
 
2012-10-05 01:18:43 PM
Well, it's pretty obvious who lives in a city and has never hunted before and those who live in rural areas and do hunt.

Basically breaks down into those who wish her dead and those who can appreciate her hunting trip.

I, for one, approve....and I'm a left-leaning democrat that hunts.

You don't approve? Bite me.
 
2012-10-05 01:20:33 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "City folk" - does anyone say this other than wanna-be rednecks from the suburbs? I come from a "country" family, and love to camp, fish, hike, etc... and I love nothing more than seeing rare wildlife when I do so, and this dumb coont has taken away a part of my ability to do that.


Black bears are rare? News to me as they are a "Least Concern" species. Hell, when I lived up in the 'Dacks, we used to go watch them at the dump on Saturday nights.

Also, I don't believe you are from a rural background, because no one raised in such a environment would call a very ill 11 year old girl a "dumb c-word". Sounds more like something city folk would say.
 
2012-10-05 01:21:32 PM

jigger: rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?


Yes, some do.
 
2012-10-05 01:21:49 PM

jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?

Yes

Did these people eat this bear? Doubtful. They'll probably just stuff it.

Maybe they should stuff and mount the kid after she dies too. To commemorate the occasion. And as a trophy to their reproductive prowess.


You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?
 
2012-10-05 01:23:28 PM

jigger: Did these people eat this bear? Doubtful. They'll probably just stuff it.


It's not an either/or. You can do both, as the meat isn't used for the mount.

Maybe they should stuff and mount the kid after she dies too. To commemorate the occasion. And as a trophy to their reproductive prowess.


Oh, I thought you were serious. Nevermind.
 
2012-10-05 01:23:43 PM

dittybopper: jigger: rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?

Yes, some do.


While bear is greasy, it's also pretty damn good...
 
2012-10-05 01:24:10 PM

Suede head: Disgusting little asshole. I hope she dies soon.


Why?
 
2012-10-05 01:27:01 PM

rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?


I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.

dittybopper: Oh, I thought you were serious. Nevermind.


No, I'm serious. Would it be so horrible to stuff her and mount her? After she's dead, of course, let's not be monsters.
 
2012-10-05 01:29:48 PM
There is nothing wrong with shooting a non-endangered species and getting some meat and a nice little rug out of the deal too. Anyone who says different and isn't a complete vegan (no leather shoes dumbass and you probably should make sure none of your vaccines and medicines are grown in or made from animal byproducts) is a hypocrite.
 
2012-10-05 01:30:50 PM

jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.



Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?
 
2012-10-05 01:31:48 PM

rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?

Yes

Did these people eat this bear? Doubtful. They'll probably just stuff it.

Maybe they should stuff and mount the kid after she dies too. To commemorate the occasion. And as a trophy to their reproductive prowess.

You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?


Not just that but the person that will stuff the bear will often either offer to have the meat processed for you, or will give you a discount on stuffing if you allow them to keep the meat.

I happen to hunt deer and have never kept anything besides the meat. The local Taxidermist offers discounts to hunters if they want a deer stuffed but don't want the meat (very rare btw). My processor will give me a discount for letting them keep the antlers if it is a buck dear.

Never hunted Bear, Moose, or any other big-game beyond white-tail deer. I do hunt upland game and water fowl such as Pheasant, Quail, Duck, Canadian Geese, Sharp-Tailed Grouse, and Partridge. I shoot my legal limit every year and I do eat all the meat.

Don't approve of this? I don't care...but remember that next time you order a hamburger, Steak, Fish, or Chicken meal that someone else killed that animal for you. Just because someone else did the killing, you hypocrites, doesn't make you better than someone who does the hunting and killing of their own meals.
 
2012-10-05 01:41:42 PM

jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.

dittybopper: Oh, I thought you were serious. Nevermind.

No, I'm serious. Would it be so horrible to stuff her and mount her? After she's dead, of course, let's not be monsters.


i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-05 01:55:53 PM

rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?


There's no such thing as trophy hunting?
 
2012-10-05 01:56:49 PM
farking vagitarians.
 
2012-10-05 01:57:55 PM

rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?


I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.
 
2012-10-05 01:59:37 PM
If you don't like hunting, btw, you should boycott Facebook. Its founder and CEO is a hunter.
 
2012-10-05 02:00:22 PM

jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.


I've known men who only liked to have intercourse with other men so clearly this is the last generation of humans since none of us will be having any children.
 
2012-10-05 02:00:40 PM
If the little brat was hungry and needed to eat then I'd be the first person to defend her right to kill an animal but she wasn't hungry, she is a spoilt biatch who enjoys taking the life of an innocent animal for no other reason but she can.
There's a name for people like her and its sociopath.
 
2012-10-05 02:06:09 PM

jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

There's no such thing as trophy hunting?


You'll find very little of that in central and northern Wisconsin, where this story takes place. The town this girl is from has a population of about 400-450ish people. I would say about 75% of the families that make up that town are likely to have hunting licenses, and few of them would waste game meat like that. Even if they don't eat it themselves, many hunters in the state donate their meat to needy families through hunt for the hungry. Game meat rarely ever goes to waste in this state, too many of us like our varied game sausage and burgers.
 
2012-10-05 02:09:48 PM

Sinister 161: If the little brat was hungry and needed to eat then I'd be the first person to defend her right to kill an animal but she wasn't hungry, she is a spoilt biatch who enjoys taking the life of an innocent animal for no other reason but she can.
There's a name for people like her and its sociopath.


Really? Are you a psychiatrist/psychologist now? And what exact traits of sociopathy is she showing based only on this article?

I know many of you here don't know any better, but in the area she's from, hunting varied and assorted animals is pretty normal. But of course you guys obviously know each and every hunter personally and know the exact motivations behind their hunting.
 
2012-10-05 02:10:42 PM

jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.


Because everyone is as farktarded as the people you know right?
 
2012-10-05 02:15:12 PM

rickycal78: Really? Are you a psychiatrist/psychologist now?


No. He's a pimp, you can check his stats....or better yet, his profile pic.
 
2012-10-05 02:22:42 PM

Sinister 161: If the little brat was hungry and needed to eat then I'd be the first person to defend her right to kill an animal but she wasn't hungry, she is a spoilt biatch who enjoys taking the life of an innocent animal for no other reason but she can.
There's a name for people like her and its sociopath.


So you would ban sport hunting, but leave subsistence hunting?
 
2012-10-05 02:26:06 PM
Wow, the level of retardation and hate for a little girl is sickening.

But hey, thanks assholes for giving me an incentive to get off the internet and get back to work. I don't think I can stomach any more of this bullshiat.
 
2012-10-05 02:29:59 PM

The Muthaship: rickycal78: Really? Are you a psychiatrist/psychologist now?

No. He's a pimp, you can check his stats....or better yet, his profile pic.


I'm a qualified psychiatric pimp who knows enough to be freaked out by anyone who says it's a "dream come true" killing a bear.
I'm no vegan, I'm a meat eater who denies no animal the chance to end up on my plate but I see their death as a necessity and certainly not a dream come true.
 
2012-10-05 02:31:47 PM

dittybopper: Sinister 161: If the little brat was hungry and needed to eat then I'd be the first person to defend her right to kill an animal but she wasn't hungry, she is a spoilt biatch who enjoys taking the life of an innocent animal for no other reason but she can.
There's a name for people like her and its sociopath.

So you would ban sport hunting, but leave subsistence hunting?


Of course. I'm not against killing for food only against killing for pleasure.
 
2012-10-05 02:32:45 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "City folk" - does anyone say this other than wanna-be rednecks from the suburbs? I come from a "country" family, and love to camp, fish, hike, etc... and I love nothing more than seeing rare wildlife when I do so, and this dumb coont has taken away a part of my ability to do that.


You sound like city folk....

/18+ years on a family hog farm
//currently lives in the middle of a forest (more or less)
///doesn't hunt
///has a college education
////not to fond of "rednecks" , also known as "wanna-be hillbillies"
 
2012-10-05 02:37:52 PM

rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.

Because everyone is as farktarded as the people you know right?


If all hunters aren't the same then why did you imply that they are?
 
2012-10-05 02:40:40 PM

Sinister 161: I'm a qualified psychiatric pimp who knows enough to be freaked out by anyone who says it's a "dream come true" killing a bear.


She grew up in a hunting family, and with the knowledge she might not live very long. It's understandable she would want to achieve a feat her family treats as important as soon as she could. Further, there is no reason to believe that this bear wasn't used in a responsible manner after its death. Based on that you called her a "spoilt biatch" and assigned motives to her actions that were not supported by facts. I hope you aren't counseling anyone.
 
2012-10-05 02:43:32 PM

jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.


Hate to break it to you but not enough fur barers are killed in the US. Skunks,possums and raccoons are to abundant and need controlled better. Rabies and canine distemper are out of controll in their populations.
 
2012-10-05 02:49:10 PM

jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.

Because everyone is as farktarded as the people you know right?

If all hunters aren't the same then why did you imply that they are?


What kind of drugs are you on? How does saying that you are ignorant of hunters in general equate to me saying that all hunters are the same? What are you, some kind of politician or lawyer? Because that's some twisted ass logic you've got there.

Sinister 161: The Muthaship: rickycal78: Really? Are you a psychiatrist/psychologist now?

No. He's a pimp, you can check his stats....or better yet, his profile pic.

I'm a qualified psychiatric pimp who knows enough to be freaked out by anyone who says it's a "dream come true" killing a bear.
I'm no vegan, I'm a meat eater who denies no animal the chance to end up on my plate but I see their death as a necessity and certainly not a dream come true.


And where do you stand on people that hunt because they enjoy it, but donate the meat?
 
2012-10-05 02:51:23 PM

The Muthaship: Sinister 161: I'm a qualified psychiatric pimp who knows enough to be freaked out by anyone who says it's a "dream come true" killing a bear.

She grew up in a hunting family, and with the knowledge she might not live very long. It's understandable she would want to achieve a feat her family treats as important as soon as she could. Further, there is no reason to believe that this bear wasn't used in a responsible manner after its death. Based on that you called her a "spoilt biatch" and assigned motives to her actions that were not supported by facts. I hope you aren't counseling anyone.


There's no reason to believe that it was either unless more facts arise.
Everyone is different and sees things in a different way, I see the shooting of a bear (for whatever reason) as nothing to be celebrated and certainly not a dream come true. This girl and I suspect you it see differently. I have no desire to change your mind in that respect and my opinion of the girl remains the same.

/I gave up counselling as soon as the hoes started talking back.
 
2012-10-05 02:57:59 PM

rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.

Because everyone is as farktarded as the people you know right?

If all hunters aren't the same then why did you imply that they are?

What kind of drugs are you on? How does saying that you are ignorant of hunters in general equate to me saying that all hunters are the same? What are you, some kind of politician or lawyer? Because that's some twisted ass logic you've got there.

Sinister 161: The Muthaship: rickycal78: Really? Are you a psychiatrist/psychologist now?

No. He's a pimp, you can check his stats....or better yet, his profile pic.

I'm a qualified psychiatric pimp who knows enough to be freaked out by anyone who says it's a "dream come true" killing a bear.
I'm no vegan, I'm a meat eater who denies no animal the chance to end up on my plate but I see their death as a necessity and certainly not a dream come true.

And where do you stand on people that hunt because they enjoy it, but donate the meat?


Interesting point. My personal opinion says that I can't agree with anyone enjoying the death of an animal but if the animal is used productively afterwards then at least it's death wouldn't be for nothing. Not a straight answer I know but it's moral vs practical.
 
2012-10-05 03:00:23 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pottie: I'm guessing that most of you are city folk.


Good for you kid!

"City folk" - does anyone say this other than wanna-be rednecks from the suburbs? I come from a "country" family, and love to camp, fish, hike, etc... and I love nothing more than seeing rare wildlife when I do so, and this dumb coont has taken away a part of my ability to do that.

There's nothing wrong with harvesting animals for food to survive. But hunting animals to satiate a reptilian desire to kill for the sake of killing is farking disgusting and we should attempt to evolve beyond that.

Go fark yourself and your "city folk" Larry the Cable Guy bullshiat.



My, my, Jones, did I strike a nerve? If you came from a country family, I would suppose you know where food comes from. It's not the neat little cellophane wrapped trays you buy in the store. Country folk know where food comes from and what it takes to get it. They also value wildlife as much as anyone, and by the way, black bears are not all that rare. They're thick as ticks here in Alaska. As for being a redneck from the suburbs, well you're a little off base on that one...

The bottom line is that people have hunted since the very beginning and have become a bit squeamish about it only relatively recently.
 
2012-10-05 03:05:37 PM

dittybopper: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "City folk" - does anyone say this other than wanna-be rednecks from the suburbs? I come from a "country" family, and love to camp, fish, hike, etc... and I love nothing more than seeing rare wildlife when I do so, and this dumb coont has taken away a part of my ability to do that.

Black bears are rare? News to me as they are a "Least Concern" species. Hell, when I lived up in the 'Dacks, we used to go watch them at the dump on Saturday nights.

Also, I don't believe you are from a rural background, because no one raised in such a environment would call a very ill 11 year old girl a "dumb c-word". Sounds more like something city folk would say.


Not all people from rural backgrounds feel the need to espouse stereotypes (or play dress-up like a charater from Disney's Frontierland) in order to reaffirm some bullshiat outdoorsman machismo.
 
2012-10-05 03:12:14 PM

REO-Weedwagon: Trophy hunters are sociopathic no matter their age.


This.
 
2012-10-05 03:19:37 PM

gshepnyc: REO-Weedwagon: Trophy hunters are sociopathic no matter their age.

This.


Citations? Credentials? Proof this was only a trophy hunt? List of sociopathic behavior the people in this article exhibit based on the article? Mind you I'm asking for actual sociopathic behavior, not what the average Farker with a GED in Psychology thinks is sociopathic behavior. (hint: hunting, whether they themselves use the meat or not isn't actual sociopathic behavior)
 
2012-10-05 03:20:13 PM

Sinister 161: I see the shooting of a bear (for whatever reason) as nothing to be celebrated and certainly not a dream come true.


That is fine. However, those that lable others that don't suscribe to your ideals just exemplifies the intolerace folks like you have.

Responding to the general concept of hunting apex predators, current wildlife management practices cannot work correctly unless all animals in the big game food chain can be managed. In many instances, that means hunting seasons for mountain lions, wolves, bears, etc.
 
2012-10-05 03:27:07 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Not all people from rural backgrounds feel the need to espouse stereotypes


Most of the stereotypes that I am seeing are coming from the city slickers that have no clue about wildlife managemen or hunting. It is kind of funny to watch.
 
2012-10-05 03:27:13 PM

Sinister 161: dittybopper: Sinister 161: If the little brat was hungry and needed to eat then I'd be the first person to defend her right to kill an animal but she wasn't hungry, she is a spoilt biatch who enjoys taking the life of an innocent animal for no other reason but she can.
There's a name for people like her and its sociopath.

So you would ban sport hunting, but leave subsistence hunting?

Of course. I'm not against killing for food only against killing for pleasure.


So you have no problem with people killing off a species to eat it, but you have a problem with people saving a species simply because they enjoy shooting them?

I think you, like perhaps most, haven't really given all that much *THOUGHT* to this, but a lot of emotion. Let me lay it out for you.

First, there are three distinct kinds of hunting:

1. Subsistence hunting. This is hunting strictly for food, and perhaps also because the animals in question are destroying your food crop.

2. Market hunting. This is hunting in order to sell the parts for monetary gain. This could also include hunting for a bounty, it's just in that case government is the market.

3. Sport hunting. This is hunting for the enjoyment of it. It may involve the hunter eating his prey, but it doesn't have to.

Subsistence hunting is bad from an ecological standpoint. People who are hunting because they need to eat don't give a rat's ass whether the animal in their sights is endangered or not. In fact, there is decent evidence that whenever man showed up, we hunted the many of the large species into extinction for food:

upload.wikimedia.org

This has also happened more recently, and here in North America. Subsistence hunting in Appalachia led to the basic extinction of large wildlife in that area.

Similarly, market hunting is also bad from an ecological standpoint. People who hunt for profit don't care about sustainable, or even growing, populations of species they target. They want the maximum profit with the minimum effort. This is what led to the decimation of the bison herds in the American West, and what led to the extinction of the Passenger Pigeon (they were used as a cheap food source). It's a classic example of the "tragedy of the commons".

Sport hunting, hunting because you enjoy hunting, is different though. People who enjoy doing something tend to want to keep on doing it, so they spend a *LOT* of time, political capital, and money, especially money, ensuring that the species they like to hunt has a healthy population. Seemingly paradoxically, sport hunting leads to *INCREASES* in game populations. As a major side benefit, all the non-game animals that live in the same habitat benefit from the protection also. Back around 1900, there were around 500,000 whitetail deer in all of North America. They had been market and subsistence hunted down from a pre-Columbian population estimated to be around 25 to 30 million. Since then, almost entirely due to the efforts of sport hunters, their numbers are now back up to pre-Columbian levels. Similarly, moose, elk, black bear, and wild turkey are all benefiting from sport hunting.

Now, many sport hunters also eat their kills, but this isn't a requirement, nor should it be. The sport hunter who is merely after a more impressive trophy also performs a valuable service: His or her money is plowed back into conservation efforts, and quite often it is the wealthy trophy hunter who donates large amounts of land to organizations like the Nature Conservancy. Even the poorest trophy hunter is helping, though, as his license fees and the excises taxes on his gun, ammunition, bows, arrows, etc., all get plowed back into state and federal wildlife agencies. 

So your attitude, while understandable from an emotional standpoint, is actually counterproductive from a standpoint of conservation.
 
2012-10-05 03:27:39 PM

HeadLever: Sinister 161: I see the shooting of a bear (for whatever reason) as nothing to be celebrated and certainly not a dream come true.

That is fine. However, those that lable others that don't suscribe to your ideals just exemplifies the intolerace folks like you have.

Responding to the general concept of hunting apex predators, current wildlife management practices cannot work correctly unless all animals in the big game food chain can be managed. In many instances, that means hunting seasons for mountain lions, wolves, bears, etc.


But... but..., my uninformed, ill conceived, prejudicial opinions that let me feel superior and sleep at night...
 
2012-10-05 03:28:21 PM

rickycal78: gshepnyc: REO-Weedwagon: Trophy hunters are sociopathic no matter their age.

This.

Citations? Credentials? Proof this was only a trophy hunt? List of sociopathic behavior the people in this article exhibit based on the article? Mind you I'm asking for actual sociopathic behavior, not what the average Farker with a GED in Psychology thinks is sociopathic behavior. (hint: hunting, whether they themselves use the meat or not isn't actual sociopathic behavior)


Dude, you are going to get a flat spot on your head if you keep beating it against that wall.
 
2012-10-05 03:32:03 PM

rickycal78: HeadLever: Sinister 161: I see the shooting of a bear (for whatever reason) as nothing to be celebrated and certainly not a dream come true.

That is fine. However, those that lable others that don't suscribe to your ideals just exemplifies the intolerace folks like you have.

Responding to the general concept of hunting apex predators, current wildlife management practices cannot work correctly unless all animals in the big game food chain can be managed. In many instances, that means hunting seasons for mountain lions, wolves, bears, etc.

But... but..., my uninformed, ill conceived, prejudicial opinions that let me feel superior and sleep at night...


I will leave this here
 
2012-10-05 03:43:54 PM

pottie: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pottie: I'm guessing that most of you are city folk.


Good for you kid!

"City folk" - does anyone say this other than wanna-be rednecks from the suburbs? I come from a "country" family, and love to camp, fish, hike, etc... and I love nothing more than seeing rare wildlife when I do so, and this dumb coont has taken away a part of my ability to do that.

There's nothing wrong with harvesting animals for food to survive. But hunting animals to satiate a reptilian desire to kill for the sake of killing is farking disgusting and we should attempt to evolve beyond that.

Go fark yourself and your "city folk" Larry the Cable Guy bullshiat.


My, my, Jones, did I strike a nerve? If you came from a country family, I would suppose you know where food comes from. It's not the neat little cellophane wrapped trays you buy in the store. Country folk know where food comes from and what it takes to get it. They also value wildlife as much as anyone, and by the way, black bears are not all that rare. They're thick as ticks here in Alaska. As for being a redneck from the suburbs, well you're a little off base on that one...

The bottom line is that people have hunted since the very beginning and have become a bit squeamish about it only relatively recently.


Sorry for the outburst. I've been stuck in a Franklin Covey class all day :(
 
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