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(Daily Mail)   11-year-old girl who needs a heart and liver transplant can't contain her joy after killing 335-pound bear on hunting trip. Too bad he didn't have a heart and a liver in his pic-a-nic basket   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 384
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2012-10-05 01:19:21 AM  
Nice shooting.
 
2012-10-05 02:45:35 AM  
Awww, nothing makes a little girl feel more special than slaughtering one of nature's most magnificent creatures.


'When I looked through that scope I didn't see it as a bear, I saw it as a 300 pound lion that's about to attack you, so I held the gun as steady as I could, I turned my head and than I shot,'

I--- what?

So it's easier to shoot a lion? Or are lions more likely to attack you than bears?

She turned her head? So she wasn't even looking when she pulled the trigger?

I'll blame the Daily Fail for the than/then confusion.
 
2012-10-05 04:22:28 AM  
Little monster.

Conelius is beside himself and honestly I can't blame him. What did that poor, innocent bear ever do to her? Not to mention that, at 300lbs, the bear was probably younger than her. Might as well have shot one of those 13 year olds who murdered their great grandmother. At least they deserve it.
 
2012-10-05 05:15:26 AM  
Was awesome until I saw the dead bear. Now I'm just sad.
 
2012-10-05 05:21:36 AM  
I'm surprised young kids find this fun. Strange world.
 
2012-10-05 05:25:30 AM  

fusillade762: Awww, nothing makes a little girl feel more special than slaughtering one of nature's most magnificent creatures.


'When I looked through that scope I didn't see it as a bear, I saw it as a 300 pound lion that's about to attack you, so I held the gun as steady as I could, I turned my head and than I shot,'

I--- what?

So it's easier to shoot a lion? Or are lions more likely to attack you than bears?

She turned her head? So she wasn't even looking when she pulled the trigger?

I'll blame the Daily Fail for the than/then confusion.


In all fairness, Boo Boo didn't look either
 
2012-10-05 05:29:14 AM  
Trophy hunters are sociopathic no matter their age.
 
2012-10-05 05:29:59 AM  
Karma will be a biatch when she ends up dead. You might think someone facing death might have a bit more respect for beautiful creatures still living.
 
2012-10-05 05:31:24 AM  
I hope there is an afterlife and this bear is waiting for her there.
 
2012-10-05 05:32:49 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: Was awesome until I saw the dead bear. Now I'm just sad.


Goddammit, that made me click on it, and now I'm sad, too. :(
 
2012-10-05 05:33:51 AM  
Well, I guess now we know why she needs a heart transplant: hers is defective.
 
2012-10-05 05:34:47 AM  
I don't think heart transplant will improve her
 
2012-10-05 05:36:10 AM  
that's farked up.

I mean, I get eating meat -top carnivore and all.
and I get people that hunt for food -native people that needed to, and used the whole animal and such.
and I get that if you need to eat, and need to hunt for the food, then you gotta kill animals. Cool.

but killing animals for fun. That I don't get.
 
2012-10-05 05:37:28 AM  
I'm not a hippy or anything, but I hate to see any animal killed for no reason (except mosquitoes, they make their bed when they try to bite me) even spiders that I am terrified of, I won't kill. However, if it is for food then I agree with hunting. A man that hunts his meat is no more a monster than a man who buys his meat. That said, if this family do not eat this bear, then they can all go fark themselves!
And that silly prick in the comments, farking culls? Black bears are not farking rabbits, they typically have 2 cubs in a litter in 2 year cycles and the more cubs they have the greater the mortality rate in the litter. The woods are farking huge, why the hell would you need to cull? Oh for sport...

/People are coonts
 
2012-10-05 05:39:09 AM  

REO-Weedwagon: Trophy hunters are sociopathic no matter their age.


Sociopathic, homocidal, and cowardly.
Her "dream" was to kill??? How Farked up can ya be? Fark that whore!
 
2012-10-05 05:39:38 AM  

doglover: Little monster.


Most people just fantasize about taking others out in a blaze of glory before they die.

She actually snuffed a bear. The hell she's going to is the one that rocks.
 
2012-10-05 05:41:39 AM  
She wants to hunt bear? Dip her in honey, give her a knife, and leave her in the woods.
 
2012-10-05 05:43:48 AM  

cassanovascotian: that's farked up.

I mean, I get eating meat -top carnivore and all.
and I get people that hunt for food -native people that needed to, and used the whole animal and such.
and I get that if you need to eat, and need to hunt for the food, then you gotta kill animals. Cool.

but killing animals for fun. That I don't get.


What, you think all those hunters were all mopey and guilty and vagina-y when they went out to kill a mammoth?

"Man, it just doesn't seem right, us setting fire to this grassland to frighten this poor creature off of a cliff, before we impale it with our spears?"

Fark that, I bet they had tons of fun.
 
2012-10-05 05:44:07 AM  
To be fair, that bear was probably trying to shoot her.

Anyway, at least it looks like that family's numbers are going to be thinned out.
 
2012-10-05 05:54:58 AM  

sendtodave: What, you think all those hunters were all mopey and guilty and vagina-y when they went out to kill a mammoth?


They were hungry and needed to eat. They did what they had to do. I got no problem with that.

What you call "being vagina-ey" (which is, itself, kind of a weird insult) , I call "not taking sadistic pleasure in killing things."
 
2012-10-05 05:56:37 AM  
At least the little coont is dying.
 
2012-10-05 05:56:45 AM  
Anyone remember this PR delight from the Make A Wish foundation?

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-05-11/news/mn-2933_1_bear-hunt

What's the best way to feel better about immanent death? Killing. Now Make A Wish outsources their hunting related wishes, so they can make it look like they don't do that any more. As non-profits go, Make A Wish is just about my least favorite. For many reasons.
 
2012-10-05 05:58:13 AM  

doglover: Little monster.

Conelius is beside himself and honestly I can't blame him. What did that poor, innocent bear ever do to her? Not to mention that, at 300lbs, the bear was probably younger than her. Might as well have shot one of those 13 year olds who murdered their great grandmother. At least they deserve it.


The beariot isn't taking this too well, is he?
 
2012-10-05 05:59:14 AM  
She should get her meat at the grocery store in shrink wrapped packages like everyone else does. Because killing animals is wrong.
 
2012-10-05 05:59:53 AM  
What did the bear do to deserve being shot and killed like that? It's one thing to kill living creatures for food so that you can survive, but it's another to just kill them for the hell of it.

Why do we kill ants? Because ants bite us and cause lots of trouble. Ok fine, then kill them. Why swat flies? Because they carry germs and nasty stuff and they want to suck our blood. Fine, kill them. But what the hell did that bear do? Do you need to eat a bear? If you need to eat it, then fine hunt and kill it! Just don't waste the lives of living creatures for petty little reasons as adding them to your home decor or for fun. At least eat what you kill or use them as medicine. Hanging their dead bodies on your wall won't prolong your life.

At least when people hunt deer, they actually eat most of it. I doubt that kid would even take a bite out of that bear if somebody cooks it.

I wonder how that girl would feel if it was her family that's being hunted down for fun by aliens or just plain evil people. "Nooo don't kill my mommy and turn her head into an ice cream bowl!".
 
2012-10-05 06:00:30 AM  

Coelacanth: She wants to hunt bear? Dip her in honey, give her a knife, and leave her in the woods.


I want your children for this
 
2012-10-05 06:01:10 AM  
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2012-10-05 06:04:01 AM  

LewDux:


AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
 
2012-10-05 06:04:32 AM  

cassanovascotian: They were hungry and needed to eat. They did what they had to do. I got no problem with that.


What if they enjoyed it? Because I'm betting that they did. Immensely.

Hunter/gatherer societies put the hunters at the top of the social hierarchy. It was the most important social institution. Hunting wasn't just important because they needed to eat; they could gather stuff, grow stuff.

But that's lame. That's women's work.

Anyway, they farking loved them some hunting. Do you think they'd feel resigned to "doing what they had to do?"

I think they bathed in blood and partied.

What you call "being vagina-ey" (which is, itself, kind of a weird insult) , I call "not taking sadistic pleasure in killing things."

Alright, alright, don't get penis-y.
 
2012-10-05 06:04:51 AM  
I love hunting as much as the next guy, but this is BS. You hunt for food.

It's really time to cull the herd. Of humans.

This is right up next to people who slaughter doe for the hell of it. I'm pretty sure that out of any thing in this world that upsets me, child abuse/neglect is just about the only thing worse.
 
2012-10-05 06:06:47 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: doglover: Little monster.

Conelius is beside himself and honestly I can't blame him. What did that poor, innocent bear ever do to her? Not to mention that, at 300lbs, the bear was probably younger than her. Might as well have shot one of those 13 year olds who murdered their great grandmother. At least they deserve it.

The beariot isn't taking this too well, is he?


Luckily it was a black bear, not a real bear. Still.
 
2012-10-05 06:08:46 AM  

fiver5: She should get her meat at the grocery store in shrink wrapped packages like everyone else does. Because killing animals is wrong.


This is the dumbest comment I've ever read. You know that in order to make that meat that you buy at the grocery store, that someone has to kill the animal it comes from? Just because you're buying something at the store doesn't mean that that animal wasn't slaughtered. It most definitely was.

If I had my druthers, I'd put a stop to killing animals for food. Humans are an agricultural species and don't need meat to survive.
 
2012-10-05 06:11:32 AM  
Not impressed, Davy Crockett did it "when he was only three..."
 
2012-10-05 06:11:50 AM  
"Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one." -Edward Abbey
 
2012-10-05 06:12:52 AM  
biatch, biatch, biatch.
 
2012-10-05 06:15:43 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: Was awesome until I saw the dead bear. Now I'm just sad.


Imagine it as a lion. That should make you feel better.
 
2012-10-05 06:16:08 AM  
Good lord. I'm always surprised at the number of people on Fark that think killing an animal like this is a horrible tragedy. None of you need to eat meat. You do it because you like it. If killing this bear gives this little girl and her family some comfort good for them. As long as the animal is not endangered have at it.
 
2012-10-05 06:19:20 AM  

for good or for awesome: Good lord. I'm always surprised at the number of people on Fark that think killing an animal like this is a horrible tragedy. None of you need to eat meat. You do it because you like it. If killing this bear gives this little girl and her family some comfort good for them. As long as the animal is not endangered have at it.


Never have been into killing animals, but I'll eat the hell out of them. It's dead. If you don't eat it then it died in vain.
 
2012-10-05 06:21:54 AM  

for good or for awesome: Good lord. I'm always surprised at the number of people on Fark that think killing an animal like this is a horrible tragedy. None of you need to eat meat. You do it because you like it. If killing this bear gives this little girl and her family some comfort good for them. As long as the animal is not endangered have at it.


That bear is never going to frolic in a meadow. Never going to gorge itself on berries. Never going to find another bear to mate with and have cubs and raise them. This beat's life was cut short by this little girl.

That's sad.
 
2012-10-05 06:22:55 AM  
I may not be morally superior to many people on this earth but I will happily say at least I didn't wish an eleven year old child dead due to her legal recreational and dietary choices.

I hear bears are DEELISH! I've got some room in the freezer if she doesn't want him. Bet the fat slobs are tender as hell.
 
2012-10-05 06:22:55 AM  
Well done snookums! That means you really are stronger and more powerful than a bear, doesn't it! Unfortunately, you won't be able to take that rifle with you where you're going! The bear is waiting for you then.
 
2012-10-05 06:25:08 AM  
'When I looked through that scope I didn't see it as a bear, I saw it as a 300 pound lion that's about to attack you, so I held the gun as steady as I could, I turned my head and than I shot,' said Kaitlynn who has always dreamed of being part of a successful bear hunt.


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2012-10-05 06:25:44 AM  

BobDeluxe: for good or for awesome: Good lord. I'm always surprised at the number of people on Fark that think killing an animal like this is a horrible tragedy. None of you need to eat meat. You do it because you like it. If killing this bear gives this little girl and her family some comfort good for them. As long as the animal is not endangered have at it.

Never have been into killing animals, but I'll eat the hell out of them. It's dead. If you don't eat it then it died in vain.


Hm, not sure this is a strong argument. It's saying that there is an arbitrary line where an animal's life is forfeit. The "use" of the animal has to be for food, not for entertainment, in this case. Why the distinction?

A better argument might be that, morally (not pragmatically), the bear's life is worth more than the little girl's entertainment, but even that is pretty arbitrary.
 
2012-10-05 06:27:11 AM  
'I felt thankful, like really thankful I shot a bear,' said Kaitlynn.

THANK YOU JESUS FOR HELPING ME SHOOT A RANDOM ANIMAL IN THE HEART

Seriously, why would you hunt animals you cant eat? I always thought it was to prove you had the biggest c0ck. On your head.
 
2012-10-05 06:27:41 AM  
There's some redneck organization that formed after Make-a-Wish ruled against fulfilling a dying kid's wish to kill a member of an endangered species (forgot which one).
So if you're white trash and want your last act on Earth to be taking a life, there you go. The world will benefit from your passing.
 
2012-10-05 06:30:09 AM  
Here's a recipe to get her started!

Hibernating Bear with Black Magic Sauce
2 - 3 # bear roast (depending on the size of your crock-pot)
Brown well on all sides. Place in crock-pot with a cup or so of water and salt & pepper. Cook on Hi for 3-4 hours.

Turn down to Lo. Add potatoes and carrots in large cubes. Add more water if necessary. Cook another 3-4 hours. Don't lift the lid any oftener than necessary. Remember, he's sleeping!

Serve the following on the side or skip the veggies and add to the roast when you turn down the heat. If you decide to add to the roast, don't add more water to it as you might if you are going to add veggies.

Black Magic Sauce
Sauté:
2 cloves garlic, minced
4 T butter
Add and simmer 4 minutes
1/2 C cabernet
Add and simmer 5 minutes
1 tsp salt
1 - 2 tsp pepper
1/1/2 tsp dry mustard
3 packed T brown sugar
1 T Worcestershire sauce
11/2 T lemon juice
1 C prepared brown gravy

Nom nom!
 
2012-10-05 06:30:38 AM  

NannyStatePark: I hear bears are DEELISH!


You heard wrong. Also, a 900-lb bull elk with a 20-point rack tastes like sh*t compared to one of the more plentiful elk cows. And mountain lions, they also taste like sh*t. Of course, the taste doesn't matter. What matters is snapping the photo and keeping the picture out for ostentatious viewing.
 
2012-10-05 06:32:17 AM  
Why would your dying wish be to kill some random wild animal that's just minding it own business?

/Karma is coming
//No transplant for you!
 
2012-10-05 06:36:14 AM  

curriemaster: Seriously, why would you hunt animals you cant eat?


I still think that "if you eat it, then that's OK" is motivated reasoning. I don't see the distinction.

Most people that would even debate this crisis of conscious don't need to eat meat. They assuredly don't need to hunt for it. There is tofu at the supermarket.

But, eating meat makes people happy, at the expense of an animal's life. Not much different than sport killing. Dead animal, happy person. Animal exists to make person happy.

The animal doesn't go "Oh, you're killing me so that I can rot in your intestinal tract, instead of leaving my carcass to rot on the ground, so that's OK."

Is killing an animal for the pleasure of a tasty burger really less "sadistic?"
 
2012-10-05 06:38:35 AM  

LewDux: I don't think heart transplant will improve her


Nice. And I agree.

Too bad the little coont didn't die before she killed that magnificent creature of nature.
 
2012-10-05 06:41:22 AM  

NannyStatePark: I hear bears are DEELISH!


I want to know where you heard that. If you are just joking then never mind.

I've had bear. It tastes like ashes. It is textureless grey matter that resembles ground beef and has the consistency of mashed up tattered cloth.
 
2012-10-05 06:41:37 AM  

cassanovascotian: but killing animals for fun. That I don't get.


I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but whatever. Firstly, I'm not a hunter. I've never been hunting or even held a gun, but I don't have a problem with hunters. I used to, but I've since changed my opinion for several reasons.

1) There is a science to how animal populations grow and change. There is a set mortality that occurs every year; a certain percentage of the population will simply not survive either due to disease, predation, starvation or accidental death. Tag numbers are set to fall within that range, so that the total population is not adversely affected.

2) Hunting can sometimes be necessary to preserve the health or integrity of an ecosystem by controlling animal populations, such as culling deer or coyote populations. In most of North America we've pretty much eliminated the apex predators, either through fear or for protection of livestock, which can cause huge population spikes in many herbivore or omnivore species. In many cases, hunting or poisoning is the only thing keeping these populations from growing to the point of starvation and population crash.

3) Hunters provide the vast majority of funding necessary for biologists to study these animals and their habitats. Funds from the sale of hunting licenses and tags greatly outweighs any donations or funding from non-hunters or government. Research for environmental studies of wildlife population dynamics just isn't considered a priority and is usually the first thing on the chopping block when governments try to balance budgets. For example here in Canada, Ducks Unlimited, which funds countless studies of waterfowl and wetland ecosystems, is almost entirely funded by US duck hunters who travel up here for fertile hunting grounds.

As for whether it's "fun" or not isn't really relevant. To each their own. Some people think fishing is a lot of fun, I happen to think that it's boring as fark. But unless someone is a vegetarian, then they're ok with humans killing animals, they're just passing the responsibility onto someone else to do the dirty work. Plus we lose far more animals to habitat loss for human economic growth (agriculture and urban expansion) than we do to hunting.

/flame away
 
2012-10-05 06:44:31 AM  

gmoney101: I'm not a hippy or anything, but I hate to see any animal killed for no reason (except mosquitoes, they make their bed when they try to bite me) even spiders that I am terrified of, I won't kill. However, if it is for food then I agree with hunting. A man that hunts his meat is no more a monster than a man who buys his meat. That said, if this family do not eat this bear, then they can all go fark themselves!
And that silly prick in the comments, farking culls? Black bears are not farking rabbits, they typically have 2 cubs in a litter in 2 year cycles and the more cubs they have the greater the mortality rate in the litter. The woods are farking huge, why the hell would you need to cull? Oh for sport...

/People are coonts


I'm not pro-hunting, but that is just emotive bullshiat. Carnivores have a range. Doesn't matter how "huge" their habitat is, once it gets too crowded then they start wandering in to towns. Then it's culling time.

I need more info as to whether the kill might be justified as part of a cull.

JAYZUSS LOIUSE-USS!!!!

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2012-10-05 06:44:32 AM  

REO-Weedwagon: NannyStatePark: I hear bears are DEELISH!

You heard wrong. Also, a 900-lb bull elk with a 20-point rack tastes like sh*t compared to one of the more plentiful elk cows. And mountain lions, they also taste like sh*t. Of course, the taste doesn't matter. What matters is snapping the photo and keeping the picture out for ostentatious viewing.


My stepdad from Michigan would disagree about the bear.

The only time I've had elk I left a car payment on the table behind me. I had meat all week. I don't think one bear is any more important than all the chicken I ate that died being boiled to death this week. I'll bet she did a better job on the bear than the average meat packer. I'm glad the bear had the sunshine and happiness of freedom before it died.
 
2012-10-05 06:44:34 AM  
There's always room for God's creatures...right next to my mashed potatoes and gravy.
 
2012-10-05 06:44:48 AM  
She's only 11. Can we really blame the bloodthirsty, cruel little coont for the rubbish her white trash parents filled her head with? It's probably like religion. In a few years' time she will either go full retard and shoot Liberals in front of PP instead of bears, or she might become a hairy vegan.
 
2012-10-05 06:48:13 AM  

gmoney101: I'm not a hippy or anything, but I hate to see any animal killed for no reason (except mosquitoes)


My patio has been infested with Crane Flies the past couple springs. I kill them with prejudice because they annoy me. It got to be Amityville Horror levels one year. I feel kinda bad after killing each one. I can't imagine killing a 300+ pound mammal.

Spiders I try to put outside unless I feel directly threatened. At least they don't bring friends.
 
2012-10-05 06:49:42 AM  
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Meh.
 
2012-10-05 06:53:24 AM  

sendtodave: curriemaster: Seriously, why would you hunt animals you cant eat?

I still think that "if you eat it, then that's OK" is motivated reasoning. I don't see the distinction.

Most people that would even debate this crisis of conscious don't need to eat meat. They assuredly don't need to hunt for it. There is tofu at the supermarket.

But, eating meat makes people happy, at the expense of an animal's life. Not much different than sport killing. Dead animal, happy person. Animal exists to make person happy.

The animal doesn't go "Oh, you're killing me so that I can rot in your intestinal tract, instead of leaving my carcass to rot on the ground, so that's OK."

Is killing an animal for the pleasure of a tasty burger really less "sadistic?"


I see the logic in your argument, but Im not sure the concept that it is morally wrong to kill animals for consumption because we now have high-quality alternative protein sources available to us is valid. The fact is that humans and our evolutionary ancestors were omnivorous, with animal protein sources being the most sought after due to the difficulty in obtaining them relative to the high energy density (or how long it kept you full). I would argue that we do have a killing instinct, buried deep in many folk, as well as subconcious reward association with consumption of meat that cant be suppressed only by consuming non-animal proteins. The fact that we eat what we kill ameliorates the fact that we have had to kill in the first place; killing something to hang on your wall satisfies only that killing instinct.
 
2012-10-05 06:53:32 AM  
Bear pot roast is tasty as hell. Don't know what you guys have been eating. Grey, ashy mess? Sounds like opossum.
 
2012-10-05 06:54:46 AM  

Bathysphere: Bear pot roast is tasty as hell. Don't know what you guys have been eating. Grey, ashy mess? Sounds like opossum.


I had some bbq bear meat once. A little stringy, but otherwise pretty tasty. If it tastes bad, it's probably not properly processed or field dressed.
 
2012-10-05 06:56:55 AM  

Big Ramifications: gmoney101: I'm not a hippy or anything, but I hate to see any animal killed for no reason (except mosquitoes, they make their bed when they try to bite me) even spiders that I am terrified of, I won't kill. However, if it is for food then I agree with hunting. A man that hunts his meat is no more a monster than a man who buys his meat. That said, if this family do not eat this bear, then they can all go fark themselves!
And that silly prick in the comments, farking culls? Black bears are not farking rabbits, they typically have 2 cubs in a litter in 2 year cycles and the more cubs they have the greater the mortality rate in the litter. The woods are farking huge, why the hell would you need to cull? Oh for sport...

/People are coonts

I'm not pro-hunting, but that is just emotive bullshiat. Carnivores have a range. Doesn't matter how "huge" their habitat is, once it gets too crowded then they start wandering in to towns. Then it's culling time.

I need more info as to whether the kill might be justified as part of a cull.

JAYZUSS LOIUSE-USS!!!!

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http://www.sportsmanhill.com/bear-hunting/giant-grizzly-bear-prince- wi lliam-sound.html


That's a Grizzly, Dipshiat
 
2012-10-05 06:57:14 AM  
Shoot her, shoot her NOW!
 
2012-10-05 06:57:31 AM  
Went fishing up in Canada last month and the lodge served us bear. It was damn good.
 
2012-10-05 06:58:37 AM  
Ya know, she's a kid with a lot of health issues, and pain, i would guess. That would be scary as hell, and you gotta feel for her. Still, I'm a little weirded-out about why a sick young kid would want to kill something so much.

Nah, sitting here thinking about it awhile, I guess if I'm gonna support hunting (and I do) I have to support this. I started off thinking of it as a last-wish sort of deal, and that would be creepy. "Before I die, I just wanna kill one more thing. . . " But it's not like that. She's just a sick young kid who wants to live her life, and in her case (and almost surely in her family), that includes hunting. I don't hunt, and my own illnesses just gave me more empathy for living things, so it seemed a little off from my perspective at first.

What kinda pissed me off was that it wasn't enough that it was a freakin' BEAR, she had to think of it as a lion. Jeez, c'mon kid, you're 11, try not to be so jaded, or you're gonna run out of apex predators kill before you can drive!
 
2012-10-05 06:58:54 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: fiver5: She should get her meat at the grocery store in shrink wrapped packages like everyone else does. Because killing animals is wrong.

This is the dumbest comment I've ever read. You know that in order to make that meat that you buy at the grocery store, that someone has to kill the animal it comes from? Just because you're buying something at the store doesn't mean that that animal wasn't slaughtered. It most definitely was.

If I had my druthers, I'd put a stop to killing animals for food. Humans are an agricultural species and don't need meat to survive.


Wow... simply wow. You really missed the sarcasm? Honestly? I mea it was dripping off that statement like STDs off Paris Hilton's sloppy joe.
 
2012-10-05 07:00:14 AM  

sendtodave: curriemaster: Seriously, why would you hunt animals you cant eat?

I still think that "if you eat it, then that's OK" is motivated reasoning. I don't see the distinction.

Most people that would even debate this crisis of conscious don't need to eat meat. They assuredly don't need to hunt for it. There is tofu at the supermarket.

But, eating meat makes people happy, at the expense of an animal's life. Not much different than sport killing. Dead animal, happy person. Animal exists to make person happy.

The animal doesn't go "Oh, you're killing me so that I can rot in your intestinal tract, instead of leaving my carcass to rot on the ground, so that's OK."

Is killing an animal for the pleasure of a tasty burger really less "sadistic?"


Made favourite because you can see the distinctio and the contradiction - my favourite is the "leg of lamb", wait till the kid realises were it really comes from and see if they still think 'cute' is 'cute' :).
 
2012-10-05 07:01:28 AM  

3rdtimearound: She's only 11. Can we really blame the bloodthirsty, cruel little coont for the rubbish her white trash parents filled her head with? It's probably like religion. In a few years' time she will either go full retard and shoot Liberals in front of PP instead of bears, or she might become a hairy vegan.


thank you for being one of the rare Farkers with an IQ in triple digits. good grief this thread is filled with idiots. i hope they come back & read your post, maybe then they will understand.
 
2012-10-05 07:02:08 AM  

sendtodave: cassanovascotian: They were hungry and needed to eat. They did what they had to do. I got no problem with that.

What if they enjoyed it? Because I'm betting that they did. Immensely.


Depends. Some of them probably did. But some of them had a lot more reverence and were very serious about praying to the animals spirit and thanking them for their sacrifice, nor did they hunt more animals than they could reasonably eat and use.

While the bear may not care what it is done with its carcass after it is dead, the point is more that it would be nice if people had a bit more respect and reverence for life in general. I find that attitude tends to go hand in hand with kindness and compassion. Independent of the philosophical debate over whether it is more or less okay to kill an animal if you're going to eat it, I think that wanting to shoot an animal "for fun" takes a rather different attitude than killing it as a food source. That, I think (to answer your question), is what makes it more sadistic and contemptible.
 
2012-10-05 07:02:48 AM  
Yes, sociopaths. Purely for the trophy and no ability (or respect) to grasp just what they've robbed the environment of so they could have a photo and fur.

I am sad for the bear. I am sad for the girl that she is so twisted so young, believing that awful philosophy that we are separate from nature and are to dominate it entirely, rather than accept that we are a part of it and try to cooperate for the best outcome of both.

Also hope whatever organs come available go to someone more creative of mind, less destructive. We have more than enough of her type, and they arent worth much.
 
2012-10-05 07:04:12 AM  

curriemaster: I see the logic in your argument, but Im not sure the concept that it is morally wrong to kill animals for consumption because we now have high-quality alternative protein sources available to us is valid. The fact is that humans and our evolutionary ancestors were omnivorous, with animal protein sources being the most sought after due to the difficulty in obtaining them relative to the high energy density (or how long it kept you full). I would argue that we do have a killing instinct, buried deep in many folk, as well as subconcious reward association with consumption of meat that cant be suppressed only by consuming non-animal proteins. The fact that we eat what we kill ameliorates the fact that we have had to kill in the first place; killing something to hang on your wall satisfies only that killing instinct.


Ah, so it is acting based on this killing instinct that is immoral. Not the act per se, but the intent.

Makes sense. But, as you say, that doesn't make eating meat necessarily moral, it's just less immoral.

I don't know if it's enough of a distinction to curse a dying girl.
 
2012-10-05 07:10:20 AM  
Heartless.

/poor bear
 
2012-10-05 07:11:10 AM  
I kill deer not for sport or food....I kill them for vengeance...and to keep the damn population from eating all the corn.

Actually, I don't hunt, I don't have the patience for it. I tried it once, and I quit after a couple of hours because I was cold and bored.

/up to $20,000 in vehicle damages from deer in the 15 years I have been driving, and I have only confirmed one kill out of 15 hits.
//car is in the shop right now because of those vermin

elementalogic:

Such thought out and reasoned arguments.....you will surely be attacked

*grabs popcorn*
 
2012-10-05 07:11:36 AM  

Gawdzila: While the bear may not care what it is done with its carcass after it is dead, the point is more that it would be nice if people had a bit more respect and reverence for life in general. I find that attitude tends to go hand in hand with kindness and compassion.


This is true. It's why many religions favor vegetarianism, I think (even Judeo-Christianity, actually). Animal cruelty is also associated with anti-social disorders.

People that respect life tend to respect all life, people that don't, well, don't.

/meat-eater
 
2012-10-05 07:14:54 AM  
Black aren't endangered in the least.

Bear meat is supposed to be tasty.

6,000,000 cows are killed daily in this country, but someone hunting is barbaric.
 
2012-10-05 07:16:50 AM  

Gawdzila: sendtodave: cassanovascotian: They were hungry and needed to eat. They did what they had to do. I got no problem with that.

What if they enjoyed it? Because I'm betting that they did. Immensely.

Depends. Some of them probably did. But some of them had a lot more reverence and were very serious about praying to the animals spirit and thanking them for their sacrifice, nor did they hunt more animals than they could reasonably eat and use.

While the bear may not care what it is done with its carcass after it is dead, the point is more that it would be nice if people had a bit more respect and reverence for life in general. I find that attitude tends to go hand in hand with kindness and compassion. Independent of the philosophical debate over whether it is more or less okay to kill an animal if you're going to eat it, I think that wanting to shoot an animal "for fun" takes a rather different attitude than killing it as a food source. That, I think (to answer your question), is what makes it more sadistic and contemptible.


That's where its at Gawdzila - I am a vegetarian and have been for years - but I have never denied the fact if I was starving a lamb would take one for the team (and yes ashamed as I am, you would probably too :D

But damn if you have potatoes to eat or any of the other wonderful things the Mother provides us with, then don't go killing one of Her children just for culinary pleasure (let alone the offensiveness of sport.)
 
2012-10-05 07:16:57 AM  
I...don't really see that that's anything to be getting overjoyed about.

That's kind of a sick, sociopathic thing to do.
 
2012-10-05 07:20:16 AM  
Mmmm the other white meat - and you don't even need to tenderise the babies first *shame*

*picture a young child on a spit*
 
2012-10-05 07:20:52 AM  
I don't understand why she can't just go die without killing other perfectly healthy living things.
 
2012-10-05 07:21:14 AM  
What has been overlooked is the obvious underlying purpose of this supposed trophy hunt.
In reality using advanced sciency stuff, doctors successfully transplanted the bears heat and liver into
the 11 year old girl. In years to come the the girls DNA will fuse with that of the bear to create a hybrid species. The "bear girl" will develop an elongated snout and a warm furry pelt. She will then flee to the forest and using her human intelligence and beast like powers she will roam the land in a one bear-girl crusade against all who hunt for sport.

So starts the legend of Bear-Girl.
 
2012-10-05 07:22:11 AM  
WTF is wrong with people in this thread?

It's 1 animal for F- sake, and she hunted it, she didn't grow it with a half a billion others crammed into a factory barn, she got out there, in the wild, and hunted... Good on her!

And fark you retards and your bleeding sympathetic hearts to the "poor black bear who never hurt anyone"

Except the people that get mauled when they go into their back yard to investigate who the hell is rummaging through their trash and find a bear staring them in the face... or worse, a cub, who's mama is right behind them...

And it's not like they are endangered, or even threatened...

I say, let the dying 11 year old girl shoot the bear... hell let her slit it's throat... I'll send her flowers, because she's a human, and that thing is an animal. It might not "deserve" it, but it's not more important than an 11 year old girl...

If my babygirl was dying, and all she wanted was to kill a majestic woodland creature before she dies, we'd be on the first plane to canada or alaska, rifles in tow...

She's my baby girl, and no animal running around in the wild is worth the smile on her face
 
2012-10-05 07:24:41 AM  
The only animals I ever kill are those that are coming right at me. Or I right at them depending on their point of view

/with my car
 
2012-10-05 07:25:28 AM  

gmoney101: Big Ramifications: gmoney101: I'm not a hippy or anything, but I hate to see any animal killed for no reason (except mosquitoes, they make their bed when they try to bite me) even spiders that I am terrified of, I won't kill. However, if it is for food then I agree with hunting. A man that hunts his meat is no more a monster than a man who buys his meat. That said, if this family do not eat this bear, then they can all go fark themselves!
And that silly prick in the comments, farking culls? Black bears are not farking rabbits, they typically have 2 cubs in a litter in 2 year cycles and the more cubs they have the greater the mortality rate in the litter. The woods are farking huge, why the hell would you need to cull? Oh for sport...

/People are coonts

I'm not pro-hunting, but that is just emotive bullshiat. Carnivores have a range. Doesn't matter how "huge" their habitat is, once it gets too crowded then they start wandering in to towns. Then it's culling time.

I need more info as to whether the kill might be justified as part of a cull.

JAYZUSS LOIUSE-USS!!!!

[i47.tinypic.com image 400x579]
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http://www.sportsmanhill.com/bear-hunting/giant-grizzly-bear-prince- wi lliam-sound.html

That's a Grizzly, Dipshiat

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Good for you, Nimrod.

But it's still a BEAR, moron.

A dead bear in a dead bear thread. How will Farker gmoron101 ever cope?

....I just thought they were thought provoking pictures that peeps might have bin interested in. Sheesh.
 
2012-10-05 07:25:50 AM  
Heh, I love people who can't wrap their heads around humans hunting animals.
 
2012-10-05 07:26:11 AM  

Big Ramifications: Carnivores have a range. Doesn't matter how "huge" their habitat is, once it gets too crowded then they start wandering in to towns.


This is very occasionally true for bears, although most of the time when you find a bear in town it's because it was driven there by habitat destruction rather than overcrowding. You can't generalize this to all carnivores however. North American wolves, for example, are very skittish around people, wolf attacks are extremely rare. It's a little different for European wolves, they're a little more aggressive. Cougars also stay far away from people.

Of course, "overcrowding" isn't a word that's been applicable to wolves or cougars for more than a hundred years so maybe that's moot.
 
2012-10-05 07:26:24 AM  

CeroX: It might not "deserve" it, but it's not more important than an 11 year old girl...


You seem to think that farkers have a higher opinion of children than of wild animals. You are mistaken.

I get the impression that many farkers would hunt small children for sport, if they could.
 
2012-10-05 07:30:48 AM  

guises: Big Ramifications: Carnivores have a range. Doesn't matter how "huge" their habitat is, once it gets too crowded then they start wandering in to towns.

This is very occasionally true for bears, although most of the time when you find a bear in town it's because it was driven there by habitat destruction rather than overcrowding. You can't generalize this to all carnivores however. North American wolves, for example, are very skittish around people, wolf attacks are extremely rare. It's a little different for European wolves, they're a little more aggressive. Cougars also stay far away from people.

Of course, "overcrowding" isn't a word that's been applicable to wolves or cougars for more than a hundred years so maybe that's moot.


That's another bit of mental gymnastics, actually.

It's wrong to go kill majestic animals! But if they come into our territory, well now, they have it coming.

Never mind that we're actually the ones encroaching on their territory.

Eh. Might as well just say "It's psychopathic to kill animals for a reason that I don't like."
 
2012-10-05 07:32:15 AM  

stuhayes2010: Bear meat is supposed to be tasty.

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In 2003 Denmark was not notable for its cuisine primarily consisting only of various smorrebrød and gravad laks. Eight years later, visitors to Noma are offered foraged sea buckthorn and cured bear meat, lifting the reputation of Mr. Redpezi to gastronomical heights. Mr. Redpezi follows the culinary influence of Ferran Adría, the Spanish chef, whose culinary achievements freed the menus of younger chefs. Mr. Redpezi completed culinary courses in France, Spain and the United States.


Noma's tables are fully booked every night for at least three months ahead. The restaurant was declared "The Best Restaurant in the World" by San Pellegrino and has received two Michelin stars. He has been the guest chef on MasterChef, a British program. The dining room at Noma's is in an old whaling warehouse. The interior is old wood, unadorned walls, and simple cutlery. He never wanted, he asserts, "fat linens and heavy silverware" preferring instead a simple wooden table. His culinary conversation is replete with words like "authenticity" and "rawness."
http://suite101.com/article/rene-redpezi-the-worlds-best-chef-a40575 4
 
2012-10-05 07:32:45 AM  
Read the headline, looked at the comment count, just knew the whining would be epic.

Not disappointed.
 
2012-10-05 07:33:43 AM  

The Muthaship: Read the headline, looked at the comment count, just knew the whining would be epic.

Not disappointed.


The admins are cackling right now
 
2012-10-05 07:34:20 AM  
I want the bear back, fark the human.
 
2012-10-05 07:34:23 AM  

CeroX: WTF is wrong with people in this thread?

[...]

let the dying 11 year old girl shoot the bear... hell let her slit it's throat... let her flay the pets of the neighbourhood... let her nourish her soul on the squeals of kittens as they break and burst beneath her dancing feat... let her gouge the eyes of 20 chimps while their mothers watch... let her pull the legs off suckling puppies... I'll send her flowers, because she's a human, and that thing is an animal. It might not "deserve" it, but it's not more important than an 11 year old girl...

If my babygirl was dying, and all she wanted was to kill a majestic woodland creature before she dies, we'd be on the first plane to canada or alaska, rifles in tow...

She's my baby girl, and no animal running around in the wild is worth the smile on her face


I don't think you carried your argument off as thoroughly as you might have, so I extended it a little.
 
2012-10-05 07:35:24 AM  
Comments talking about being sad for the bear and biatching about the kid hunting it is what makes me glad I actually don't know you people. And it makes me a little depressed you have the ability to breed and be considered adults.

The bear ended up as food and was deemed legal to hunt by the government agency that issued the permit, mainly due to the need to manage population density properly. Grow up and stop acting like a bunch of little girls.

Or should I downgrade that to fetuses, since it was a little girl way cooler than you who had the hunting experience of a lifetime.
 
2012-10-05 07:35:31 AM  
Or 'feet', even. Buggerance.
 
2012-10-05 07:37:18 AM  

sendtodave: guises: Big Ramifications: Carnivores have a range. Doesn't matter how "huge" their habitat is, once it gets too crowded then they start wandering in to towns.

This is very occasionally true for bears, although most of the time when you find a bear in town it's because it was driven there by habitat destruction rather than overcrowding. You can't generalize this to all carnivores however. North American wolves, for example, are very skittish around people, wolf attacks are extremely rare. It's a little different for European wolves, they're a little more aggressive. Cougars also stay far away from people.

Of course, "overcrowding" isn't a word that's been applicable to wolves or cougars for more than a hundred years so maybe that's moot.

That's another bit of mental gymnastics, actually.

It's wrong to go kill majestic animals! But if they come into our territory, well now, they have it coming.

Never mind that we're actually the ones encroaching on their territory.

Eh. Might as well just say "It's psychopathic to kill animals for a reason that I don't like."

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Mate, I'm quite prepared to take the other side of the argument. "let's get out of town and abandon our houses coz the bears are running out of room and it's too dangerous to stick around." Seriously.

But fark me. Does it happen? I was trying to use a real life example.

Mental gymnastics. Give me strength.
 
2012-10-05 07:37:24 AM  

CeroX: WTF is wrong with people in this thread?

It's 1 animal for F- sake, and she hunted it, she didn't grow it with a half a billion others crammed into a factory barn, she got out there, in the wild, and hunted... Good on her!

And fark you retards and your bleeding sympathetic hearts to the "poor black bear who never hurt anyone"

Except the people that get mauled when they go into their back yard to investigate who the hell is rummaging through their trash and find a bear staring them in the face... or worse, a cub, who's mama is right behind them...

And it's not like they are endangered, or even threatened...

I say, let the dying 11 year old girl shoot the bear... hell let her slit it's throat... I'll send her flowers, because she's a human, and that thing is an animal. It might not "deserve" it, but it's not more important than an 11 year old girl...

If my babygirl was dying, and all she wanted was to kill a majestic woodland creature before she dies, we'd be on the first plane to canada or alaska, rifles in tow...

She's my baby girl, and no animal running around in the wild is worth the smile on her face


Troll!

The first descriptive word I thought of started with 'C' and ended with 't'.
 
2012-10-05 07:38:10 AM  

fickenchucker: Comments talking about being sad for the bear and biatching about the kid hunting it is what makes me glad I actually don't know you people. And it makes me a little depressed you have the ability to breed and be considered adults.

The bear ended up as food and was deemed legal to hunt by the government agency that issued the permit, mainly due to the need to manage population density properly. Grow up and stop acting like a bunch of little girls.

Or should I downgrade that to fetuses, since it was a little girl way cooler than you who had the hunting experience of a lifetime.


I just hope she dies before her blood lust extends to humans.
 
2012-10-05 07:38:13 AM  

sendtodave: CeroX: It might not "deserve" it, but it's not more important than an 11 year old girl...

You seem to think that farkers have a higher opinion of children than of wild animals. You are mistaken.

I get the impression that many farkers would hunt small children for sport, if they could.


truth be told, i would give up all i possess to be able to hunt down children for sport. there are few things as horrible and insipid as children, and their numbers are way too high.
 
2012-10-05 07:39:14 AM  
Suddenly: hilarity.
 
2012-10-05 07:40:37 AM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

now dead
 
2012-10-05 07:40:45 AM  

CeroX: because she's a human, and that thing is an animal


Exactly. That animals life has far more value.

/should have dropped her in the woods and hunted her.
//she's dying anyway.
 
2012-10-05 07:43:15 AM  

KrispyKritter: sendtodave: CeroX: It might not "deserve" it, but it's not more important than an 11 year old girl...

You seem to think that farkers have a higher opinion of children than of wild animals. You are mistaken.

I get the impression that many farkers would hunt small children for sport, if they could.

truth be told, i would give up all i possess to be able to hunt down children for sport. there are few things as horrible and insipid as children, and their numbers are way too high.


Are you....are you proposing a cull? Cause I'd be down with that. Only not of children, of stupid folk with wildly raging reproductive organs that continuously spit out tiny humans and subsequently corrupt them with their lunacy.
 
2012-10-05 07:48:55 AM  

abhorrent1: CeroX: because she's a human, and that thing is an animal

Exactly. That animals life has far more value.

/should have dropped her in the woods and hunted her.
//she's dying anyway.


Exactly. Based on market forces alone, that bear is far more valuable than that kid. There are over 7 billion humans, we're essentially worthless. Bears being far more rare, are worth a mint.
 
2012-10-05 07:50:00 AM  

ani23: I'm surprised young kids find this fun. Strange world.


Why?

Man and his ancestors have been hunting for millions of years. It's what we do.
 
2012-10-05 07:50:13 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Heh, I love people who can't wrap their heads around humans hunting animals.


Im glad someone came up with the idea to do so. I like salad but as a side not as a main course. I see plenty of deer splattered all over the roads everyday, apparently there isn't enough hunting going on. It is sad to see all the meat get wasted when there are so many hungry people in this country. Pink slime for everyone!
 
2012-10-05 07:51:10 AM  

blipponaut: AverageAmericanGuy: fiver5: She should get her meat at the grocery store in shrink wrapped packages like everyone else does. Because killing animals is wrong.

This is the dumbest comment I've ever read. You know that in order to make that meat that you buy at the grocery store, that someone has to kill the animal it comes from? Just because you're buying something at the store doesn't mean that that animal wasn't slaughtered. It most definitely was.

If I had my druthers, I'd put a stop to killing animals for food. Humans are an agricultural species and don't need meat to survive.

Wow... simply wow. You really missed the sarcasm? Honestly? I mea it was dripping off that statement like STDs off Paris Hilton's sloppy joe.


No, he got the sarcasm...he's trolling a troll. Or reverse trolling if you will. He got you to bite...now he sings his song..troll a la la la, la la la laahhhhh
 
2012-10-05 07:51:17 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Heh, I love people who can't wrap their heads around humans hunting animals.


As ex-miltary I prefer real sport - hunting humans - but as its immoral and illegal I avoid such pleasures and play the playstation instead.
 
2012-10-05 07:53:15 AM  

Langdon_777: As ex-miltary I prefer real sport - hunting humans - but as its immoral and illegal I avoid such pleasures and play the playstation instead.


Morality and legality are always negotiable. Hunting animals is just always tasty.
 
2012-10-05 07:53:36 AM  

Big Ramifications: Mate, I'm quite prepared to take the other side of the argument. "let's get out of town and abandon our houses coz the bears are running out of room and it's too dangerous to stick around." Seriously.


Wow.

But, what's the point in running the world of we have to give up our stuff? Nature only exists because we want it to.

I predict that in less than a thousand years, we will have six species of lesser animals left. Three for food, two for pets, and rats. Pesky, pesky rats.

Mental gymnastics. Give me strength.

I could have gone with 'rationalization (due to cognitive dissonance)' but, eh, it's good enough for government work.
 
2012-10-05 07:53:47 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: abhorrent1: CeroX: because she's a human, and that thing is an animal

Exactly. That animals life has far more value.

/should have dropped her in the woods and hunted her.
//she's dying anyway.

Exactly. Based on market forces alone, that bear is far more valuable than that kid. There are over 7 billion humans, we're essentially worthless. Bears being far more rare, are worth a mint.


False, actually.

A bear doesn't give any continued return on investment until you exploit it, and then it's gone. A child will grow up to be an adult that can be worked, and you can make decades of profit off of them. That's why a child, though more numerous than a bear, is more valuable from the perspective of market forces.
 
2012-10-05 07:55:27 AM  
Her heart is not defective, she does not have one. How awful id it to kill a magnificent animal, then sit and take portrait family photos with it. Morons. I am happy karma is alive and well.
 
2012-10-05 07:56:15 AM  

dittybopper: A bear doesn't give any continued return on investment until you exploit it, and then it's gone. A child will grow up to be an adult that can be worked, and you can make decades of profit off of them. That's why a child, though more numerous than a bear, is more valuable from the perspective of market forces.


What if you run a circus and put the bear on a unicycle with a funny hat?
 
2012-10-05 07:56:30 AM  
We brought one for you.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-05 07:56:32 AM  

dittybopper: A bear doesn't give any continued return on investment until you exploit it, and then it's gone. A child will grow up to be an adult that can be worked, and you can make decades of profit off of them. That's why a child, though more numerous than a bear, is more valuable from the perspective of market forces.


It's even simpler than that. Get yourself a live bear, and a live 11 year old girl and auction them off separately. Let me know which one goes for more money.

/I'll be in hell, so just shoot me an email.
 
2012-10-05 07:56:45 AM  

blipponaut: AverageAmericanGuy: fiver5: She should get her meat at the grocery store in shrink wrapped packages like everyone else does. Because killing animals is wrong.

This is the dumbest comment I've ever read. You know that in order to make that meat that you buy at the grocery store, that someone has to kill the animal it comes from? Just because you're buying something at the store doesn't mean that that animal wasn't slaughtered. It most definitely was.

If I had my druthers, I'd put a stop to killing animals for food. Humans are an agricultural species and don't need meat to survive.

Wow... simply wow. You really missed the sarcasm? Honestly? I mea it was dripping off that statement like STDs off Paris Hilton's sloppy joe.



No, he got the sarcasm. He's employing a reverse troll while singing troll a la la la la la la laahhhhh
 
2012-10-05 07:57:39 AM  

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: abhorrent1: CeroX: because she's a human, and that thing is an animal

Exactly. That animals life has far more value.

/should have dropped her in the woods and hunted her.
//she's dying anyway.

Exactly. Based on market forces alone, that bear is far more valuable than that kid. There are over 7 billion humans, we're essentially worthless. Bears being far more rare, are worth a mint.

False, actually.

A bear doesn't give any continued return on investment until you exploit it, and then it's gone. A child will grow up to be an adult that can be worked, and you can make decades of profit off of them. That's why a child, though more numerous than a bear, is more valuable from the perspective of market forces.


LOL, not this one.

She's genetic backwash.
 
2012-10-05 07:57:43 AM  
Is it sad because the bear did not kill her first?
 
2012-10-05 08:01:08 AM  

ghamphy: Her heart is not defective, she does not have one. How awful id it to kill a magnificent animal, then sit and take portrait family photos with it. Morons. I am happy karma is alive and well.


You guys should read up on what happened to the deer population in the early 1900s when hunting wasnt allowed in many areas.

Then you should go frolic with the bears like the Bear Whisperer, so Darwin has a crack at controlling your population.
 
2012-10-05 08:02:16 AM  
People in here preaching karma should ask Timothy Treadwell just what he did to deserve what he got.

Kid culls a bear in a state that issued 8900 permits in 2010, big fuquin deal.
 
2012-10-05 08:03:48 AM  

Big Ramifications:
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Good for you, Nimrod.

But it's still a BEAR, moron.

A dead bear in a dead bear thread. How will Farker gmoron101 ever cope?

....I just thought they were thought provoking pictures that peeps might have bin interested in. Sheesh.


So you are saying a bear is a bear and therefore a killer monster and because there is a chance that a bear will stumble into your town and eat some arsehole that you have to kill all the bears?

Who are the dumb farkers that built a town in the middle of bear territory? Who are the dumb farkers that go hiking in the woods? You have to kill the bears cause people (you) are stupid?

BTW putting that picture of a Grizzly was nor meant for thought provoking it was a direct response to my objection to killing this bear so I go "Oh... that probably is dangerous" like I don't know about bears

Hey Check this out, when I was in the Maldives the waters around the beaches where I swam are Shark infested; This is to STILL a Shark

www.myessentia.com
 
2012-10-05 08:04:56 AM  
I have no argument with hunting any animal for food.
Even by the genetically inferior

this is pretty ridiculous

"look what someone helped me do! I could never have ended this life on my own"

Kinda hope she sees that same bear very soon
and it showes her the same mercy for the next thousand years
 
2012-10-05 08:05:19 AM  

Langdon_777: Tat'dGreaser: Heh, I love people who can't wrap their heads around humans hunting animals.

As ex-miltary I prefer real sport - hunting humans - but as its immoral and illegal I avoid such pleasures and play the playstation instead.


If you want real sport, hunt dangerous game like bears and wild boar with primitive equipment, and don't cheat by using things like tree stands.

I only hunt primitive (flintlock rifle for a gun, hickory flatbow for bow season). I'm not *QUITE* there yet, but eventually I'm going to go with arrowheads I knapped myself:

i48.tinypic.com

That head isn't big enough to be legal for deer or bear in NYS (though historically Indians used heads that size), but I plan on trying it out on a coyote or other medium sized critter if I happen to run across one this year.
 
2012-10-05 08:05:27 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Exactly. Based on market forces alone, that bear is far more valuable than that kid. There are over 7 billion humans, we're essentially worthless. Bears being far more rare, are worth a mint.


She's probably worth around $750-790k, according to humansforsale.com. Hard to say, with the whole dying thing. I substituted "High Blood Pressure," "Kidney Disease," and "AIDS" for the imminent organ failure.

Whereas big bear meat is only worth 45c. 

You do the math.
 
2012-10-05 08:05:56 AM  

Langdon_777: Tat'dGreaser: Heh, I love people who can't wrap their heads around humans hunting animals.

As ex-miltary I prefer real sport - hunting humans - but as its immoral and illegal I avoid such pleasures and play the playstation instead.


So youre the one Janet Napolitano keeps talking about
 
2012-10-05 08:07:08 AM  

NannyStatePark: People in here preaching karma should ask Timothy Treadwell just what he did to deserve what he got.


Messed around with a wild bear? That level of idiocy is richly deserving a reality check.
 
2012-10-05 08:07:13 AM  

gmoney101: Hey Check this out, when I was in the Maldives the waters around the beaches where I swam are Shark infested; This is to STILL a Shark


CSB. Did the shark sing to you?
 
2012-10-05 08:07:50 AM  

Animatronik: You guys should read up on what happened to the deer population in the early 1900s when hunting wasnt allowed in many areas.

Then you should go frolic with the bears like the Bear Whisperer, so Darwin has a crack at controlling your population.


The point here, which you took the round-a-bout way in order to miss, is the irony in a kid dying taking joy in killing something else.

Not very many people are dumb enough to think that death isn't a natural and necessary part of our universe. That doesn't mean you have to go out of your way to cause it, and it certainly doesn't detract from the fact that if you think it's entertaining you're a sadistic twat.

Culling an animal population to prevent a more painful decline when it becomes prone to disease or starvation - a natural cull - is one thing. Getting all grinny and giggly over killing something, however, is sociopathic.
 
2012-10-05 08:08:15 AM  

abhorrent1: dittybopper: A bear doesn't give any continued return on investment until you exploit it, and then it's gone. A child will grow up to be an adult that can be worked, and you can make decades of profit off of them. That's why a child, though more numerous than a bear, is more valuable from the perspective of market forces.

What if you run a circus and put the bear on a unicycle with a funny hat?


Average working lifetime of a bear: 15 years
Average working lifetime of a person: 40 years

Oh, and you can mistreat the person and no one will give a crap. Mistreat the animal, and you'll have people come down on you like a ton of bricks.
 
2012-10-05 08:10:16 AM  

for good or for awesome: Good lord. I'm always surprised at the number of people on Fark that think killing an animal like this is a horrible tragedy. None of you need to eat meat. You do it because you like it. If killing this bear gives this little girl and her family some comfort good for them. As long as the animal is not endangered have at it.


So maybe someone can have at humans too, they are not endangered... if it makes someone happy, lets "just let em have at it"... right... you are so much better than animals... compared to you their lives mean nothing... lets just kill them all and point and laugh...dumbass...
 
2012-10-05 08:10:21 AM  

gmoney101: BTW putting that picture of a Grizzly was nor meant for thought provoking it was a direct response to my objection to killing this bear so I go "Oh... that probably is dangerous" like I don't know about bears

Hey Check this out, when I was in the Maldives the waters around the beaches where I swam are Shark infested; This is to STILL a Shark


[wtfamireading.jpg]
 
2012-10-05 08:10:42 AM  
This thread = baby killers

THIS is why the conservatives hate the left wing...
 
2012-10-05 08:11:24 AM  

gmoney101: BTW putting that picture of a Grizzly was nor meant for thought provoking it was a direct response to my objection to killing this bear so I go "Oh... that probably is dangerous" like I don't know about bears

Hey Check this out, when I was in the Maldives the waters around the beaches where I swam are Shark infested; This is to STILL a Shark

[www.myessentia.com image 346x346]

~
~
You're a f*ucking idiot, mate. I've got no idea if you're pulling my leg or not, but I ain't arguing with you any more.
 
2012-10-05 08:11:25 AM  

sendtodave: HotWingConspiracy: Exactly. Based on market forces alone, that bear is far more valuable than that kid. There are over 7 billion humans, we're essentially worthless. Bears being far more rare, are worth a mint.

She's probably worth around $750-790k, according to humansforsale.com. Hard to say, with the whole dying thing. I substituted "High Blood Pressure," "Kidney Disease," and "AIDS" for the imminent organ failure.

Whereas big bear meat is only worth 45c. 

You do the math.


I dunno man. That site can claim that, but you're not going to find anyone on this planet that would shell out 750k for a diseased kid.

Ask anyone if they'd rather have a bear, or a diseased, depressing child. She's a total money sink. The bear is just going to be out there doing bear stuff, pretty self-sufficient.
 
2012-10-05 08:11:38 AM  
I name my lobsters, so I must be really messed up. The waitstaff at Red Lobster think its hilarious.
 
2012-10-05 08:12:14 AM  

dittybopper: Langdon_777: Tat'dGreaser: Heh, I love people who can't wrap their heads around humans hunting animals.

As ex-miltary I prefer real sport - hunting humans - but as its immoral and illegal I avoid such pleasures and play the playstation instead.

If you want real sport, hunt dangerous game like bears and wild boar with primitive equipment, and don't cheat by using things like tree stands.

I only hunt primitive (flintlock rifle for a gun, hickory flatbow for bow season). I'm not *QUITE* there yet, but eventually I'm going to go with arrowheads I knapped myself:

[i48.tinypic.com image 640x480]

That head isn't big enough to be legal for deer or bear in NYS (though historically Indians used heads that size), but I plan on trying it out on a coyote or other medium sized critter if I happen to run across one this year.


You know, i still haven't gotten flintknapping down, even after we had that discussion a few months back or sometime last year...

Still use bone arrowheads...
 
2012-10-05 08:12:35 AM  

natas6.0: I have no argument with hunting any animal for food.
Even by the genetically inferior

this is pretty ridiculous

"look what someone helped me do! I could never have ended this life on my own"

Kinda hope she sees that same bear very soon
and it showes her the same mercy for the next thousand years


Why? Of the three main kinds of hunting (market hunting, subsistence hunting, and sport hunting), only sport hunting has ever lead to an *INCREASE* in game populations. Hunting for food is bad for the environment, hunting for money is bad for the environment, but sport hunting is *GOOD* for it. That's because people who hunt for fun want to continue hunting for fun, and they voluntarily spend tens of millions of dollars every year for conservation efforts to do things like preserve habitat, which benefits all species, not just those targeted.

If you like wildlife, you should be encouraging sport hunting, not denigrating it.
 
2012-10-05 08:13:24 AM  
I guess it just seems to me that someone coming face to face with their own impending mortality might look into the eyes of a beautiful, wild animal they're about to shoot and have a profound moment of realization that even though whether she lives or dies is out of her hands, whether this living being lives or dies is in her hands, and give it the very gift she wishes for herself - a second chance.

But nope, she shot it because killing things is fun. Well little girl, do you know who else seems to like to kill for the fun of it? God. And he's aiming down his little finger-gun at you as we speak.
 
2012-10-05 08:14:21 AM  

NannyStatePark: I name my lobsters, so I must be really messed up. The waitstaff at Red Lobster think its hilarious.


When i order from red lobster, i order 2, i ask that they boil one alive while the other watches... then i have them bring them both to the table so it can watch me eat it's soulmate...
 
2012-10-05 08:14:45 AM  

NannyStatePark: I name my lobsters, so I must be really messed up. The waitstaff at Red Lobster think its hilariousplay along with my lame joke because they think they'll get a better tip then make fun of me after I leave.


FTFY
 
2012-10-05 08:14:45 AM  

dittybopper: If you like wildlife, you should be encouraging sport hunting, not denigrating it.


Indeed. I like the "We need people to cull the bear population, but we insist they not enjoy it." attitude.
 
2012-10-05 08:15:39 AM  

dittybopper: natas6.0: I have no argument with hunting any animal for food.
Even by the genetically inferior

this is pretty ridiculous

"look what someone helped me do! I could never have ended this life on my own"

Kinda hope she sees that same bear very soon
and it showes her the same mercy for the next thousand years

Why? Of the three main kinds of hunting (market hunting, subsistence hunting, and sport hunting), only sport hunting has ever lead to an *INCREASE* in game populations. Hunting for food is bad for the environment, hunting for money is bad for the environment, but sport hunting is *GOOD* for it. That's because people who hunt for fun want to continue hunting for fun, and they voluntarily spend tens of millions of dollars every year for conservation efforts to do things like preserve habitat, which benefits all species, not just those targeted.

If you like wildlife, you should be encouraging sport hunting, not denigrating it.


b-b-b-but cute furry animals!
 
2012-10-05 08:18:06 AM  

for good or for awesome: Good lord. I'm always surprised at the number of people on Fark that think killing an animal like this is a horrible tragedy. None of you need to eat meat. You do it because you like it. If killing this bear gives this little girl and her family some comfort good for them. As long as the animal is not endangered have at it.


Animals like bears live in families, have relationships. Just saying.
 
2012-10-05 08:19:41 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Ask anyone if they'd rather have a bear, or a diseased, depressing child. She's a total money sink. The bear is just going to be out there doing bear stuff, pretty self-sufficient.


Fair point. And in some places you could put the bear in a cage, and have people pay to feed it peanuts or something. Easy money.

Try doing that with a kid.
 
2012-10-05 08:20:35 AM  

CeroX: WTF is wrong with people in this thread?

It's 1 animal for F- sake, and she hunted it, she didn't grow it with a half a billion others crammed into a factory barn, she got out there, in the wild, and hunted... Good on her!

And fark you retards and your bleeding sympathetic hearts to the "poor black bear who never hurt anyone"

Except the people that get mauled when they go into their back yard to investigate who the hell is rummaging through their trash and find a bear staring them in the face... or worse, a cub, who's mama is right behind them...

And it's not like they are endangered, or even threatened...

I say, let the dying 11 year old girl shoot the bear... hell let her slit it's throat... I'll send her flowers, because she's a human, and that thing is an animal. It might not "deserve" it, but it's not more important than an 11 year old girl...

If my babygirl was dying, and all she wanted was to kill a majestic woodland creature before she dies, we'd be on the first plane to canada or alaska, rifles in tow...

She's my baby girl, and no animal running around in the wild is worth the smile on her face


that might be because you are just as screwed up in the head. Your life, your child's life important. Anything else, who gives a shyt, right? m i right??? hahaha, lets kill em all... make idiots happy...
 
2012-10-05 08:20:52 AM  

CeroX: You know, i still haven't gotten flintknapping down, even after we had that discussion a few months back or sometime last year...

Still use bone arrowheads...


The distaffbopper is getting her hip replaced in a bit more than a week. I asked the doctor if I could have the femoral ball they are cutting out because it would make a dandy tool for soft-hammer percussion knapping.

The answer was, unfortunately, no.
 
2012-10-05 08:22:03 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Getting all grinny and giggly over killing something, however, is sociopathic.


Its wrong to feel a sense of accomplishment after putting in the work to achieve your goal?
Hunting isn't exactly easy.

/Used to hunt rats at my grandfathers house.
/I feel alot better when I shoot them than when I find one in a trap with their eyes bulging out.
/Traps may be more efficient, but sniping the critters is certainly more fun.
 
2012-10-05 08:22:05 AM  

sendtodave: Try doing that with a kid.


Again?
 
2012-10-05 08:22:10 AM  

sendtodave: HotWingConspiracy: Ask anyone if they'd rather have a bear, or a diseased, depressing child. She's a total money sink. The bear is just going to be out there doing bear stuff, pretty self-sufficient.

Fair point. And in some places you could put the bear in a cage, and have people pay to feed it peanuts or something. Easy money.

Try doing that with a kid.


Welllll....

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-10-05 08:22:23 AM  

glassbottomboatcaptain: But nope, she shot it because killing things is fun. Well little girl, do you know who else seems to like to kill for the fun of it? God. And he's aiming down his little finger-gun at you as we speak.


So, in killing this animal, she was able to, for one brief moment, experience God? To feel what he must feel?

Wow.

I should try sport hunting.
 
2012-10-05 08:22:32 AM  
Redneck problems. Redneck play.
 
2012-10-05 08:24:32 AM  

dittybopper: CeroX: You know, i still haven't gotten flintknapping down, even after we had that discussion a few months back or sometime last year...

Still use bone arrowheads...

The distaffbopper is getting her hip replaced in a bit more than a week. I asked the doctor if I could have the femoral ball they are cutting out because it would make a dandy tool for soft-hammer percussion knapping.

The answer was, unfortunately, no.


I don't know if that was an awesome or disturbing request....

How did the mrs feel about that? wouldn't it be weird to watch your hubby use your own hip bone like a hammer?
 
2012-10-05 08:25:21 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: sendtodave: HotWingConspiracy: Ask anyone if they'd rather have a bear, or a diseased, depressing child. She's a total money sink. The bear is just going to be out there doing bear stuff, pretty self-sufficient.

Fair point. And in some places you could put the bear in a cage, and have people pay to feed it peanuts or something. Easy money.

Try doing that with a kid.

Welllll....

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x448]


ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2012-10-05 08:26:20 AM  

dittybopper: Langdon_777: Tat'dGreaser: Heh, I love people who can't wrap their heads around humans hunting animals.

As ex-miltary I prefer real sport - hunting humans - but as its immoral and illegal I avoid such pleasures and play the playstation instead.

If you want real sport, hunt dangerous game like bears and wild boar with primitive equipment, and don't cheat by using things like tree stands.

I only hunt primitive (flintlock rifle for a gun, hickory flatbow for bow season). I'm not *QUITE* there yet, but eventually I'm going to go with arrowheads I knapped myself:

[i48.tinypic.com image 640x480]

That head isn't big enough to be legal for deer or bear in NYS (though historically Indians used heads that size), but I plan on trying it out on a coyote or other medium sized critter if I happen to run across one this year.


I have been advocating that if the local indiginous community wants to hunt rare things then GO FOR IT, but you cannot use your landrovers or your rifles. Bah if you want to hunt rare predators then fine, you can only use a stone knife, not even a spear.
 
2012-10-05 08:26:37 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: sendtodave: HotWingConspiracy: Ask anyone if they'd rather have a bear, or a diseased, depressing child. She's a total money sink. The bear is just going to be out there doing bear stuff, pretty self-sufficient.

Fair point. And in some places you could put the bear in a cage, and have people pay to feed it peanuts or something. Easy money.

Try doing that with a kid.

Welllll....

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x448]


"Look Mama! A Bagel!"
 
2012-10-05 08:26:46 AM  

Joce678: for good or for awesome: Good lord. I'm always surprised at the number of people on Fark that think killing an animal like this is a horrible tragedy. None of you need to eat meat. You do it because you like it. If killing this bear gives this little girl and her family some comfort good for them. As long as the animal is not endangered have at it.

Animals like bears live in families, have relationships. Just saying.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-10-05 08:30:36 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Joce678: for good or for awesome: Good lord. I'm always surprised at the number of people on Fark that think killing an animal like this is a horrible tragedy. None of you need to eat meat. You do it because you like it. If killing this bear gives this little girl and her family some comfort good for them. As long as the animal is not endangered have at it.

Animals like bears live in families, have relationships. Just saying.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 320x240]


Oh, bother. Anthropomorphizing bears, again.
 
2012-10-05 08:30:55 AM  
I find it hard to believe no one posted this....
suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com
 
2012-10-05 08:33:21 AM  
Look at the top 5 "Smartest" comments....you f*ckers are sick.
 
2012-10-05 08:33:27 AM  

Big Ramifications: gmoney


No I'm not pulling your leg just pointing out what a twat you are being
 
2012-10-05 08:35:45 AM  

The Muthaship: Look at the top 5 "Smartest" comments....you f*ckers are sick.


AT LEAST THEY'RE NOT BEAR KILLING SOCIOPATHS
 
2012-10-05 08:36:10 AM  

CeroX: dittybopper: CeroX: You know, i still haven't gotten flintknapping down, even after we had that discussion a few months back or sometime last year...

Still use bone arrowheads...

The distaffbopper is getting her hip replaced in a bit more than a week. I asked the doctor if I could have the femoral ball they are cutting out because it would make a dandy tool for soft-hammer percussion knapping.

The answer was, unfortunately, no.

I don't know if that was an awesome or disturbing request....

How did the mrs feel about that? wouldn't it be weird to watch your hubby use your own hip bone like a hammer?


We've been married for 18 years, and together for 20. She is no longer surprised when I do stuff like that.
 
2012-10-05 08:37:05 AM  
Everyone is mad at her for trophy hunting. I get that. But she had to kill something in order to steal its essence and prolong her own unholy existence. Perhaps she should have killed a drifter for his organs so that she didn't have to sustain herself on souls of the innocent, but I for one applaud her for avoiding human casualties as much as she could.
 
2012-10-05 08:38:05 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: NannyStatePark: I name my lobsters, so I must be really messed up. The waitstaff at Red Lobster think its hilariousplay along with my lame joke because they think they'll get a better tip then make fun of me after I leave.

FTFY


Who cares? At least I'm not some douchebag vegan, thus rendering me far less likely to be mocked by anyone whose opinion actually matters. Of course, I'm out of high school, sofa king what if some waiter laughs at my tired old ass?
 
2012-10-05 08:38:32 AM  

Dafodude: I love hunting as much as the next guy, but this is BS. You hunt for food.

It's really time to cull the herd. Of humans.

This is right up next to people who slaughter doe for the hell of it. I'm pretty sure that out of any thing in this world that upsets me, child abuse/neglect is just about the only thing worse.


...So you do know that bear is both edible and quite tasty, right? Not to mention, bear permits are issued for hunting to cull the population as they become pest animals that get into garbage and destroy property, right?
 
2012-10-05 08:40:02 AM  
The company I work for happens to be in the same building as the North Dakota Outdoor Adventure Foundation.

From their website:

The Outdoor Adventure Foundation, Inc. provides hunting and fishing adventures for children under the age of 18 and young adults under the age of 25 with cancer or other life threatening illness.

We also provide hunting and fishing adventures for disabled veterans under the age of 40 that are wheelchair bound caused by injury during active service or who have lost a limb during active service.

The hunts will include big game hunts such as deer, elk, moose, bear and also small game including duck, goose, pheasant and quail. The fishing trips are fresh and salt water species of many kinds including bass, walleye, northern pike, muskie, salmon, halibut trout and others.


I have seen some of these kids who are seriously ill to terminally ill and as long as the kids parents get the right hunting licenses (i.e. LEGAL to hunt certain animals), then I say more power to them.
 
2012-10-05 08:41:34 AM  
'When I looked through that scope I didn't see it as a bear, I saw it as a ... chance to demonstrate the greater appreciation I have of the preciousness of life.
 
2012-10-05 08:41:49 AM  

The Muthaship: Look at the top 5 "Smartest" comments....you f*ckers are sick.

~
~
I noticed that, too. It's obvious what all the smart, well-argued smart comments are. But check all the popularity-contest yaaaaaaaaaaaay "smart" comments that people voted for.



It's like watching a really old episode of Oprah. Where they'd wheel out an arguing couple, but the chick would always win the "debate" coz yaaaaaaaaaaaaay! All the morons in the audience got their clapping on.
 
2012-10-05 08:42:35 AM  

BenJammin: 'When I looked through that scope I didn't see it as a bear, I saw it as a ... chance to demonstrate the greater appreciation I have of the preciousness of life.


She is a child. Give it a rest. She isn't a politician or some college grad. You never said stupid shiat as a child?
 
2012-10-05 08:43:42 AM  

dittybopper: CeroX: dittybopper: CeroX: You know, i still haven't gotten flintknapping down, even after we had that discussion a few months back or sometime last year...

Still use bone arrowheads...

The distaffbopper is getting her hip replaced in a bit more than a week. I asked the doctor if I could have the femoral ball they are cutting out because it would make a dandy tool for soft-hammer percussion knapping.

The answer was, unfortunately, no.

I don't know if that was an awesome or disturbing request....

How did the mrs feel about that? wouldn't it be weird to watch your hubby use your own hip bone like a hammer?

We've been married for 18 years, and together for 20. She is no longer surprised when I do stuff like that.


I don't know, i think i would be disturbed if i saw someone using my own bone as a tool...

It's practical sure... but still... I would look at it and say "I can feel that, i just know it"

But I digress...

My next big project is to attempt to make a functioning, usable, crossbow from materials easily gained from the hardware store...
 
2012-10-05 08:45:59 AM  
Who knew there were so many vegans on fark. Otherwise it would mean that there are a lot of meat eatin, leather wearin, milk drinking hypocrits giving a dieing girl a hard time because she is not discusted by where her food comes from.
 
2012-10-05 08:46:38 AM  
her food cums from bear??
 
2012-10-05 08:46:56 AM  

Langdon_777: I have been advocating that if the local indiginous community wants to hunt rare things then GO FOR IT, but you cannot use your landrovers or your rifles. Bah if you want to hunt rare predators then fine, you can only use a stone knife, not even a spear.


That's not "fair". Let them use woomera and spears that they made, in the old fashioned way. There is a wealth of knowledge for them both in books and online to learn techniques on how to do that if they haven't retained that knowledge in their culture.

Ideally, you'd set up permitting system, with tags for each rare animal, and the money that you generate from selling permits and tags would be plowed back into monitoring game populations. Make the penalties for possessing an animal without a tag stiff, and the price and requirements for getting a tag reasonable. Limit the number of tags based upon population of the game animal. Set limits on the size of the animal taken.

That even works with modern hunting methods, btw. You *CAN* sport hunt relatively rare species in a sustainable manner, and the best part is that the people who are hunting them will be paying for their conservation.
 
2012-10-05 08:47:14 AM  
Dinner table conversation at a neighbor's that we still laugh about:

My cute little daughter: "Are we having bear meat? That's my favorite."

Shocked hostess: "WHAT?! NO!"

"Deer?"

"No!"

"Moose?"

"No, no!"

(Long pause with a furrowed brow) "Well what, then?"
 
2012-10-05 08:50:03 AM  

MasterPython: Who knew there were so many vegans on fark. Otherwise it would mean that there are a lot of meat eatin, leather wearin, milk drinking hypocrits giving a dieing girl a hard time because she is not discusted by where her food comes from.


More like she is too young to ever know - she is going to die innocent - her folks on the other hnd are going to be hunted for at least a life or 2.

And I am not a vegan - I am more than willing to have a friendship with our fellow beings, we protect your herd, you give us some milk (and cheese, mostly the cheese, mmm Jarlsberg.)

Oh and my docs are vegan approved :p It isn't as hard as you think to luv.
 
2012-10-05 08:50:05 AM  

Oblio13: Dinner table conversation at a neighbor's that we still laugh about:

My cute little daughter: "Are we having bear meat? That's my favorite."

Shocked hostess: "WHAT?! NO!"

"Deer?"

"No!"

"Moose?"

"No, no!"

(Long pause with a furrowed brow) "Well what, then?"


Answer: "No honey, the neighbors are feeding us amonia based red slurry!"
 
2012-10-05 08:50:25 AM  

BenJammin: 'When I looked through that scope I didn't see it as a bear, I saw it as a ... chance to demonstrate the greater appreciation I have of the preciousness of life.


There are none who have a better appreciation for the preciousness and impermanence of life than those who regularly undertake to end it.

Trust me.
 
2012-10-05 08:50:51 AM  
Why should a bear die because that girl is dying? It's not going to help her not die.
 
2012-10-05 08:53:22 AM  

dittybopper: Langdon_777: I have been advocating that if the local indiginous community wants to hunt rare things then GO FOR IT, but you cannot use your landrovers or your rifles. Bah if you want to hunt rare predators then fine, you can only use a stone knife, not even a spear.

That's not "fair". Let them use woomera and spears that they made, in the old fashioned way. There is a wealth of knowledge for them both in books and online to learn techniques on how to do that if they haven't retained that knowledge in their culture.

Ideally, you'd set up permitting system, with tags for each rare animal, and the money that you generate from selling permits and tags would be plowed back into monitoring game populations. Make the penalties for possessing an animal without a tag stiff, and the price and requirements for getting a tag reasonable. Limit the number of tags based upon population of the game animal. Set limits on the size of the animal taken.

That even works with modern hunting methods, btw. You *CAN* sport hunt relatively rare species in a sustainable manner, and the best part is that the people who are hunting them will be paying for their conservation.


Yeap.

I guess the troglodytes do need sport too.

I am a fan of letting anyone become a member of an indigenous group (if they are accepted) but lets keep the hunting to the "damn its hard" level - not night scoping from landrovers.
 
2012-10-05 08:53:42 AM  
How did she kill it? Gave it indigestion?
 
2012-10-05 08:53:55 AM  

CeroX: I don't know, i think i would be disturbed if i saw someone using my own bone as a tool...

It's practical sure... but still... I would look at it and say "I can feel that, i just know it"

But I digress...

My next big project is to attempt to make a functioning, usable, crossbow from materials easily gained from the hardware store...


Actually, my idea was to make it into a knife handle of some sort, where it wouldn't have been quite as obviously a human bone. It was my father who suggested using it as a soft hammer.

/Once told my wife that an MRI of her ass looked like a nice steak.
 
2012-10-05 08:54:46 AM  
REO-Weedwagon
Trophy hunters are sociopathic
and
doglover
Little monster.
and
Buffet
Fark that whore!
and
Krellius
At least the little coont is dying.
and
jmr61
Too bad the little coont didn't die
and
3rdtimearound
blame the bloodthirsty, cruel little coont
and
Langdon_777
Shoot her, shoot her NOW!
and
abhorrent1
should have dropped her in the woods and hunted her.
and


The tollerant left once again setting the example we should all follow.
* calls for murder of a child
* insult towards a child
* death threats against a child.
* bullying a child

Funny thing is, I recognize several of these hypocrites from "rush called some girl a name" and "White knight the Fat weather reporter" threads doing full whargarble when far less was done.


sendtodave
>>> The Muthaship: Look at the top 5 "Smartest" comments....you f*ckers are sick.

AT LEAST THEY'RE NOT BEAR KILLING SOCIOPATHS

No, you brave moon bats are calling for the murder of a child instead.
 
2012-10-05 08:55:42 AM  

oryx: Why should a bear die because that girl is dying? It's not going to help her not die.


The state wants a certain number of them killed because they are pests. Why do you care who does it?
 
2012-10-05 08:57:32 AM  

dittybopper: CeroX: I don't know, i think i would be disturbed if i saw someone using my own bone as a tool...

It's practical sure... but still... I would look at it and say "I can feel that, i just know it"

But I digress...

My next big project is to attempt to make a functioning, usable, crossbow from materials easily gained from the hardware store...

Actually, my idea was to make it into a knife handle of some sort, where it wouldn't have been quite as obviously a human bone. It was my father who suggested using it as a soft hammer.

/Once told my wife that an MRI of her ass looked like a nice steak.


I've got an old bone handle carving knife in the farmhouse. I'm quite sure it isn't human bone, but it's one of the best knives own. Carbon steel blade. When I found it, sharpened it and started using it, I wished I hadn't spent as much as I had on my stainless knives with plastic handles.
 
2012-10-05 08:58:13 AM  
Regulated sport hunting is perhaps the best means of conversation we have. Plus bear is fine table fare. Just cook well.
 
2012-10-05 08:58:48 AM  
Submitted this story 3 days ago, with video...

Anyway, I just don't get this story. She is ill and facing death if she does not get her transplants and her wish was to kill a bear?

I don't know how that's suppose to make her feel better...
 
2012-10-05 08:59:09 AM  

OnlyM3: No, you brave moon bats are calling for the murder of a child instead.

Because shooting an defenseless animal from maybe 50 or 100 yards with a high powered rifle is somehow brave?
 
2012-10-05 08:59:43 AM  

OnlyM3: REO-Weedwagon
Trophy hunters are sociopathicand
doglover
Little monster.and
Buffet
Fark that whore!and
Krellius
At least the little coont is dying.and
jmr61
Too bad the little coont didn't dieand
3rdtimearound
blame the bloodthirsty, cruel little coont and
Langdon_777
Shoot her, shoot her NOW!and
abhorrent1
should have dropped her in the woods and hunted her.and


The tollerant left once again setting the example we should all follow.
* calls for murder of a child
* insult towards a child
* death threats against a child.
* bullying a child

Funny thing is, I recognize several of these hypocrites from "rush called some girl a name" and "White knight the Fat weather reporter" threads doing full whargarble when far less was done.


sendtodave
>>> The Muthaship: Look at the top 5 "Smartest" comments....you f*ckers are sick.

AT LEAST THEY'RE NOT BEAR KILLING SOCIOPATHS
No, you brave moon bats are calling for the murder of a child instead.


You are funny *hugs*
 
2012-10-05 09:00:27 AM  

Langdon_777: I am a fan of letting anyone become a member of an indigenous group (if they are accepted) but lets keep the hunting to the "damn its hard" level - not night scoping from landrovers.


I'm sort-of down with that, to a point.

I chose to go the "make it damned tough" route for myself. That's because I found it too easy with a scoped .30'06 or a super-fast compound bow. Instead of chasing after bigger and bigger trophies as a method of ramping up the difficulty, I went primitive instead.

That's not to say I advocate that it must be done that way for everyone.

Not everybody has the time, money, or inclination to make hunting as difficult for themselves as possible. Nor should they, necessarily, because then it discourages people from trying it in the first place. If you want to use a high powered rifle with a 3x9 variable range-finding scope, etc., be my guest. So long as the game regulations are written to ensure a viable (and hopefully expanding) game population, I don't even have a problem with people using night vision googles, and hunting from Land Rovers.
 
2012-10-05 09:01:24 AM  

cassanovascotian: that's farked up.

I mean, I get eating meat -top carnivore and all.
and I get people that hunt for food -native people that needed to, and used the whole animal and such.
and I get that if you need to eat, and need to hunt for the food, then you gotta kill animals. Cool.

but killing animals for fun. That I don't get.


In her case it may be about bravery and taking control. She is a victim of fate in many ways (poor kid), but for ONE day she was the alpha, the top predator, and the brave conquering hero.

Also, as a hunter, I can assure you there is a very primal pleasure in stalking and killing your own food. It's the closest most modern people come to living like a hunter gatherer and some part of our brains are just plain wired for it.

Still, I feel bad about the bear.
 
kab
2012-10-05 09:03:36 AM  
farking hick.
 
2012-10-05 09:04:48 AM  
maybe the bear had a better heart. at least he doesn't carry firearms
 
2012-10-05 09:04:51 AM  

dittybopper: Langdon_777: I am a fan of letting anyone become a member of an indigenous group (if they are accepted) but lets keep the hunting to the "damn its hard" level - not night scoping from landrovers.

I'm sort-of down with that, to a point.

I chose to go the "make it damned tough" route for myself. That's because I found it too easy with a scoped .30'06 or a super-fast compound bow. Instead of chasing after bigger and bigger trophies as a method of ramping up the difficulty, I went primitive instead.

That's not to say I advocate that it must be done that way for everyone.

Not everybody has the time, money, or inclination to make hunting as difficult for themselves as possible. Nor should they, necessarily, because then it discourages people from trying it in the first place. If you want to use a high powered rifle with a 3x9 variable range-finding scope, etc., be my guest. So long as the game regulations are written to ensure a viable (and hopefully expanding) game population, I don't even have a problem with people using night vision googles, and hunting from Land Rovers.


Those later (ignorant) peeps (f*cks) need to learn a thing or two about - Challenges...

Do we really want to have more 'Dick Cheneys' in the world? The whole hunting pheasants in an enclosed space (to say nothing of face shooting.)
 
2012-10-05 09:07:44 AM  

OnlyM3: No, you brave moon bats are calling for the murder of a child instead.


Hey, don't look at me, I support the little sociopath.
 
2012-10-05 09:08:57 AM  

SpectroBoy: Still, I feel bad about the bear.


I really think this is the crux of it.

People here are empathizing more with the bear than with the girl-child.

That's... kinda scary, actually.
 
2012-10-05 09:09:11 AM  
Libtards don't know hunting bears is for population control. I'm shocked shocked I tell youl
 
2012-10-05 09:09:34 AM  
Usually when a kid has a life threatening condition I feel some empathy. Not here. I see a spoiled waste of meat using up valuable oxygen.
 
2012-10-05 09:09:48 AM  
You know, you go hunt a deer, you kill it, and process it. Then eat it.
Killing a bear... You get, what? A rug?
I mean, yes, if the bear is a danger, that's one thing. But I sincerely doubt a girl with a heart and liver problem was out hunting a man eater..
 
2012-10-05 09:11:51 AM  
There is no bigotry like that towards anything perceived as country, redneck or white trash. Just compare this to a Honey Boo Boo thread, its the same foaming at the mouth hate spew she gets.
 
2012-10-05 09:12:54 AM  

DempseySR26: Libtards don't know hunting bears is for population control. I'm shocked shocked I tell youl


Oh, come on, you can do better than that.

Try "liberals don't value human life, think people should be subservient to animals" or some such.
 
2012-10-05 09:14:17 AM  

seniorgato: You know, you go hunt a deer, you kill it, and process it. Then eat it.
Killing a bear... You get, what? A rug?
I mean, yes, if the bear is a danger, that's one thing. But I sincerely doubt a girl with a heart and liver problem was out hunting a man eater..


Wasting the meat is a crime in every state. In many places you have to pack out it before capes/antlers. Big game hunting is the largest source of protein food banks have.
 
2012-10-05 09:16:00 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: seniorgato: You know, you go hunt a deer, you kill it, and process it. Then eat it.
Killing a bear... You get, what? A rug?
I mean, yes, if the bear is a danger, that's one thing. But I sincerely doubt a girl with a heart and liver problem was out hunting a man eater..

Wasting the meat is a crime in every state. In many places you have to pack out it before capes/antlers. Big game hunting is the largest source of protein food banks have.


ts4.mm.bing.net

This man is no longer happy. 
 
2012-10-05 09:16:26 AM  
Good for her, and f*ck you hippie pansies. Go hug a bear.
 
2012-10-05 09:16:28 AM  
Do we get to release her into a paddock full of hungry bears after the transplant? She should be at her best right before she's taken out.

/people that kill for fun are something this world can do without
//came for photoshop of girl stuffed an mounted on wall while bear sits in barc-o-lounger reading the paper
///still holding out hope
 
2012-10-05 09:17:51 AM  

sendtodave: DempseySR26: Libtards don't know hunting bears is for population control. I'm shocked shocked I tell youl

Oh, come on, you can do better than that.

Try "liberals don't value human life, think people should be subservient to animals" or some such.


Unlike the has beens (religous, right wing, self serving, limited vision nutts) who think its ok to kill a mentally ill peep who ended up in their lounge room, no questions asked.

And yes we need to respect our cousins (their DNA is almost ours - cept of course if you are a biblical nuttjob), some how we have to give them the space they not only need, but deserve.

Haven't you ever loved an animal? (I know I love you :p)
 
2012-10-05 09:18:30 AM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7365209/79819831#c79819831" target="_blank">sendtodave</a>:</b> <i>curriemaster: Seriously, why would you hunt animals you cant eat?

I still think that "if you eat it, then that's OK" is motivated reasoning. I don't see the distinction.

Most people that would even debate this crisis of conscious don't need to eat meat. They assuredly don't need to hunt for it. There is tofu at the supermarket.

But, eating meat makes people happy, at the expense of an animal's life. Not much different than sport killing. Dead animal, happy person. Animal exists to make person happy.

The animal doesn't go "Oh, you're killing me so that I can rot in your intestinal tract, instead of leaving my carcass to rot on the ground, so that's OK."

Is killing an animal for the pleasure of a tasty burger really less "sadistic?"</i>

Nicely put. Though I don't care about killing some animals for food--cows, chickens--simply because there are so damn many of them.
 
2012-10-05 09:19:28 AM  

Mose: I've got an old bone handle carving knife in the farmhouse. I'm quite sure it isn't human bone, but it's one of the best knives own. Carbon steel blade. When I found it, sharpened it and started using it, I wished I hadn't spent as much as I had on my stainless knives with plastic handles.


This two are the best knives I own:

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The top one has a carbon steel blade, and the handle is the antler of a deer I shot many, many years ago. The blade itself was purchased, but it's a quality blade, and it holds an edge quite well, but is also easy to sharpen. The bolster is a nice German silver, and it has my name and the date of the deer kill engraved on the butt of the knife.

The bottom one has a hand-made carbon steel blade made out of O-1 tool steel, and the handle is India stag. It was my first hunting knife, made for me back when I was 14 (has it been 31 years already?). This knife is built heavier than the top one, but it's damned tough, and again, you can get it razor sharp and it'll hold that edge for a long time. The bolster and pommel are brass, and it has my name engraved on the blade. The blade looks darker because it's more highly polished, and in fact it's reflecting a dark room.

Both were made, including the sheaths, by my father.
 
2012-10-05 09:20:12 AM  
abhorrent1

>>> OnlyM3: No, you brave moon bats are calling for the murder of a child instead.

Because shooting an defenseless animal from maybe 50 or 100 yards with a high powered rifle is somehow brave?
Who called her brave?

I simply questioned the sanity of calling for the murder of someone you disagree with, especially when that someone is a child.

I question the intelligence of a group who in one breath calls for murder of Limbaugh for implying an adult woman is promiscuous, yet has no problem calling a minor girl whore, coont, etc...

I question the integrity of liberals who spend days defending a fat raging reporter who was the "victim" of a suggestion to get healthy, but then have no qualms about bullying a sick minor.

Some "sociopaths" you've supported.
www.liveshot.cclatimesblogs.latimes.com
 
2012-10-05 09:22:07 AM  

kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without


People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.
 
2012-10-05 09:22:12 AM  

dittybopper: Mose: I've got an old bone handle carving knife in the farmhouse. I'm quite sure it isn't human bone, but it's one of the best knives own. Carbon steel blade. When I found it, sharpened it and started using it, I wished I hadn't spent as much as I had on my stainless knives with plastic handles.

This two are the best knives I own:

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The top one has a carbon steel blade, and the handle is the antler of a deer I shot many, many years ago. The blade itself was purchased, but it's a quality blade, and it holds an edge quite well, but is also easy to sharpen. The bolster is a nice German silver, and it has my name and the date of the deer kill engraved on the butt of the knife.

The bottom one has a hand-made carbon steel blade made out of O-1 tool steel, and the handle is India stag. It was my first hunting knife, made for me back when I was 14 (has it been 31 years already?). This knife is built heavier than the top one, but it's damned tough, and again, you can get it razor sharp and it'll hold that edge for a long time. The bolster and pommel are brass, and it has my name engraved on the blade. The blade looks darker because it's more highly polished, and in fact it's reflecting a dark room.

Both were made, including the sheaths, by my father.


Nice - I always respect excellence,
 
kab
2012-10-05 09:22:12 AM  
Oooh, is this the thread where republicants fingerway and act like human life is unquestionably sacred, until it's time to throw them needlessly into the middle east, under the guise of 'watering the tree of liberty'?

LMAO.
 
2012-10-05 09:22:20 AM  

dittybopper: Langdon_777: I am a fan of letting anyone become a member of an indigenous group (if they are accepted) but lets keep the hunting to the "damn its hard" level - not night scoping from landrovers.

I'm sort-of down with that, to a point.

I chose to go the "make it damned tough" route for myself. That's because I found it too easy with a scoped .30'06 or a super-fast compound bow. Instead of chasing after bigger and bigger trophies as a method of ramping up the difficulty, I went primitive instead.

That's not to say I advocate that it must be done that way for everyone.

Not everybody has the time, money, or inclination to make hunting as difficult for themselves as possible. Nor should they, necessarily, because then it discourages people from trying it in the first place. If you want to use a high powered rifle with a 3x9 variable range-finding scope, etc., be my guest. So long as the game regulations are written to ensure a viable (and hopefully expanding) game population, I don't even have a problem with people using night vision googles, and hunting from Land Rovers.



Personally, I love sport hunting, for the same reasons you posted above. However, I think if you hunt, its your responsibility to end the animals life in the fastest, most humane way possible. If someone wants to shoot it with flint arrows, they better be able to put that arrow through a tennis ball at hunting range+5 meters. I've spent too many hours fixing up critters that ran into bad hunters to grant moral high ground to anyone based on their tools.

IMHO, a hunter should hunt with whatever gets the job done for him. If you cant shoot a bow, but you can perform outpatient surgery with a bolt action 338, than that's what you should use. 

/not implying that ditty is a bad hunter, just making a point to the antis
//please don't shank me with your wife's sharpened femur. ;)
 
kab
2012-10-05 09:22:49 AM  
fingerwag. bleh.
 
2012-10-05 09:23:45 AM  

dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.


If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....
 
2012-10-05 09:25:36 AM  

SquiggsIN: Only shoot things that are an eminent threat to you or things that you are planning on eating.

Hunting is great so long as you are feeding someone from it.

Hunting for the sake of cutting off a trophy (head) and leaving the carcass to rot is terrible.


Unless you are talking gophers or coyotes leaving meat to rot is illegal pretty much everywhere. If you are caught doing that good luck buying a licence for the next few years ago. Even in an African trophy hunt the meat gets eaten. It is basically a tip to the people running the hunt and you have to pay extra if you want any.
 
2012-10-05 09:25:40 AM  
When you enjoy meat, you enjoy the flavour, the texture, all the little chemical cues that tell you it is satisfying. Killing an animal for that is just something that has to happen that, in our society, is easily overlooked.

When you enjoy hunting, it is impossible to separate that from the act of killing itself. You are literally taking pleasure in ending the life of an animal. And game animals are mammals, usually quite social ones. If you think there's no mental/emotional stuff going on in there worth considering... that's a very convenient and scary assumption.
 
2012-10-05 09:25:55 AM  

kab: it's time to throw them needlessly into the middle east, under the guise of 'watering the tree of liberty'?


I believe that is supposed to be done domestically.

And, there's a bit of spittle on your chin....
 
2012-10-05 09:27:22 AM  

Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....


...when properly regulated...


Whoooosh

 
2012-10-05 09:29:21 AM  

Langdon_777: Nice - I always respect excellence,


He also made my hunting implements:

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He made that bow, but I made the handle, the arrows, and the quiver.  I have replaced the hemp string with a dacron one, in the interest of durability. Doesn't effect how the bow shoots.
 
2012-10-05 09:31:17 AM  

dittybopper: Langdon_777: Nice - I always respect excellence,

He also made my hunting implements:

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He made that bow, but I made the handle, the arrows, and the quiver.  I have replaced the hemp string with a dacron one, in the interest of durability. Doesn't effect how the bow shoots.


Damn those are nice.

Don't get me wrong I once slaughtered reef sharks for no other reason than to attract more reef sharks to kill (I was 11 :p) - alas these days the islands are a national park.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 09:31:25 AM  
I own guns. Rifles. I am trained to use them.
I have no understanding of hunting without the need to feed ones self.
I hear arguments like "it's a challenge to bag a big buk".

REALLY?

I can lay prone about 3/4 of a mile away and sweep an area from my bluff in one of my ghillies.
The animal would not smell, hear, see or sense me in any way shape or form.
It is hardly "challenging" to shoot an animal in this manner.
And by animals this could include others of the human species if so ordered.

There was a specific reason to be trained in this manner of shooting, and hunting for trophies is remarkably absent from the short list of reasons for me to take up my weapon and man a position.

/will never quite get the hunting for shiats-n-giggle or bragging rights thing
 
2012-10-05 09:31:26 AM  
Yeah, that is really sad that a beautiful bear died.
 
2012-10-05 09:31:33 AM  

Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....


Bison are not endangered! The herds that settlers saw on the plains was the product of an Indian die off. Read 1491. There's no way we could have those herds now on the worlds bread basket
 
2012-10-05 09:32:27 AM  

Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....


Are you talking about that Bison that's nine bucks a pound at the store? Damn good burger, maybe I will grab some for the weekend.  Glad my demand fuels their recovery as a species.
 
2012-10-05 09:36:47 AM  

OnlyM3:
I simply questioned the sanity of calling for the murder of someone you disagree with, especially when that someone is a child.

I'm pretty confident her parents are just as despicable. After all, killing for fun is learned,not innate.

I question the intelligence of a group who in one breath calls for murder of Limbaugh for implying an adult woman is promiscuous, yet has no problem calling a minor girl whore, coont, etc...
Rush Limbaugh is also something that this world could do without. That being said, I'm willing to let him die of natural causes. He'll probably suffer longer that way.

I question the integrity of liberals who spend days defending a fat raging reporter who was the "victim" of a suggestion to get healthy, but then have no qualms about bullying a sick minor.
The reporter needed no defending. She defended herself just fine. The sick minor is carrying a high-powered rifle shooting at an animal that was, right up until the point where he got killed, probably just shiatting in the woods.

Some "sociopaths" you've supported.
You'll rant and rave on the internet about the right of children to bear arms, but claim "strong national defense" while you vote for politicians that lie us into wars, claim "fiscal conservatism" for supposedly conservative administrations that have driven up both the deficit and the debt in every republican administration in the last 20+ years, and claim "family values" for clergy that molest children, televangelists that snort meth off the asses of gay hookers, former house speakers that dump hospitalized, terminally ill ex-wives, and scream "character" while voting for President I Wasn't the CEO of Bain Capital and Vice President I Never Asked for Stimulus Money.

Spare the rest of us the credibility lecture.
 
2012-10-05 09:37:04 AM  
Dittybopper
If you like wildlife, you should be encouraging sport hunting, not denigrating it.
It's not that I like the wildlife for any reason other than grub
but I dislike people
Sport hunting is a groovy idea when it's done by folks like you and I
bow, blackpowder or even just dogs and a knife.
We can make these tools and we've earned the right through practice and training to use them.
I have no problem using technology to gather food on the hoof, that's why it is there.
I dig the make-a-wish trips that go with crazy ted, because they are using the whole critter
and I understand removing extra animals because there is no natural predation to keep 'em in check

What I don't like is the incapable being able to end something for no other reason than to end it
that's like the live-shot, internet hunting shiat. Or that fat kid who killed the giant, tame pig with a .50
that stuff chaps my ass

it's kinda funny that my comment got me painted as a critter lover
meat is meat
long pork would cook just like aything porcine
 
2012-10-05 09:37:09 AM  

OnlyM3: abhorrent1

>>> OnlyM3: No, you brave moon bats are calling for the murder of a child instead.

Because shooting an defenseless animal from maybe 50 or 100 yards with a high powered rifle is somehow brave? Who called her brave?

I simply questioned the sanity of calling for the murder of someone you disagree with, especially when that someone is a child.

I question the intelligence of a group who in one breath calls for murder of Limbaugh for implying an adult woman is promiscuous, yet has no problem calling a minor girl whore, coont, etc...

I question the integrity of liberals who spend days defending a fat raging reporter who was the "victim" of a suggestion to get healthy, but then have no qualms about bullying a sick minor.

Some "sociopaths" you've supported.
[www.liveshot.cc image 370x278][latimesblogs.latimes.com image 250x339]


I both agree with you, and disagree with you, AND have some complaints...

First, i agree with you about the girl and your view in those regards

I still want to murder Rush, just because his voice and his views and attitudes make me want to stab him in the face... He's a stain on society and long overdue of a massive coronary...

Third... WTF is wrong with Kerry in that picture? He was in the Army for F- sake, he should know how to hold a gun! Was that just an "action" photo op?
 
2012-10-05 09:37:13 AM  
Well that should make a really nice rug...
 
2012-10-05 09:38:28 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: seniorgato: You know, you go hunt a deer, you kill it, and process it. Then eat it.
Killing a bear... You get, what? A rug?
I mean, yes, if the bear is a danger, that's one thing. But I sincerely doubt a girl with a heart and liver problem was out hunting a man eater..

Wasting the meat is a crime in every state. In many places you have to pack out it before capes/antlers. Big game hunting is the largest source of protein food banks have.


I really didn't think bear meat was edible. I stand corrected.
 
2012-10-05 09:39:36 AM  

Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....


Buffalo were *MARKET* hunted to near extermination, not *SPORT* hunted. They were hunted for their hides and meat which were sold for a profit, not because people enjoyed hunting them.

Same with the passenger pigeon. They were exterminated for profit.

The same thing *ALMOST* happened with black bear, whitetail deer, and wild turkeys in the US: Before 1900, they were hunted not for sport, but largely for subsistence and market reasons. What happened was that people who enjoyed the sport of hunting put a stop to legal market and unregulated subsistence hunting. Since then, the population of whitetails has rebounded from a population of about 500,000 total to 25 to 30 million, just as many as were here during pre-Columbian times. Similarly, black bear and wild turkey populations have greatly rebounded.

If you look at the history of gun making in Appalachia, you can see this happen: Early guns (late 1700s, early 1800s) were in calibers appropriate for big game: .54, .50, .45. By the late 1800's, all the big game had been hunted out, with the largest animal left being wild pigs, so the calibers dropped down to .40, .36, and even .32 caliber, because you don't need a big lead ball to shoot rabbits, squirrels, etc., which was pretty much the only game left. They had hunted the big game out for subsistence (ie., hunting for food) and market reasons.
 
2012-10-05 09:42:39 AM  
I have always tempered my killing with respect for the game pursued. I see the animal not only as a target but as a living creature with more freedom than I will ever have. I take that life if I can, with regret as well as joy, and with the sure knowledge that nature's ways of fang and claw or exposure and starvation are a far crueler fate than I bestow - Fred Bear

That about sums it up for me.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 09:42:57 AM  

seniorgato: Mid_mo_mad_man: seniorgato: You know, you go hunt a deer, you kill it, and process it. Then eat it.
Killing a bear... You get, what? A rug?
I mean, yes, if the bear is a danger, that's one thing. But I sincerely doubt a girl with a heart and liver problem was out hunting a man eater..

Wasting the meat is a crime in every state. In many places you have to pack out it before capes/antlers. Big game hunting is the largest source of protein food banks have.

I really didn't think bear meat was edible. I stand corrected.


Eat bear meat?!?!?!?!
BLEH
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2012-10-05 09:43:26 AM  

dittybopper: Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....

Buffalo were *MARKET* hunted to near extermination, not *SPORT* hunted. They were hunted for their hides and meat which were sold for a profit, not because people enjoyed hunting them.

Same with the passenger pigeon. They were exterminated for profit.

The same thing *ALMOST* happened with black bear, whitetail deer, and wild turkeys in the US: Before 1900, they were hunted not for sport, but largely for subsistence and market reasons. What happened was that people who enjoyed the sport of hunting put a stop to legal market and unregulated subsistence hunting. Since then, the population of whitetails has rebounded from a population of about 500,000 total to 25 to 30 million, just as many as were here during pre-Columbian times. Similarly, black bear and wild turkey populations have greatly rebounded.

If you look at the history of gun making in Appalachia, you can see this happen: Early guns (late 1700s, early 1800s) were in calibers appropriate for big game: .54, .50, .45. By the late 1800's, all the big game had been hunted out, with the largest animal left being wild pigs, so the calibers dropped down to .40, .36, and even .32 caliber, because you don't need a big lead ball to shoot rabbits, squirrels, etc., which was pretty much the only game left. They had hunted the big game out for subsistence (ie., hunting for food) and market reasons.


I really want the lion hunters to use an Onyx knife and that is all - eat it or be eaten, it doesn't bother me.

But please stop calling modern hunting 'hunting'.
 
2012-10-05 09:44:21 AM  
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2012-10-05 09:46:54 AM  

Just Arrived: I have always tempered my killing with respect for the game pursued. I see the animal not only as a target but as a living creature with more freedom than I will ever have. I take that life if I can, with regret as well as joy, and with the sure knowledge that nature's ways of fang and claw or exposure and starvation are a far crueler fate than I bestow - Fred Bear

That about sums it up for me.


Cept if we ALL do it. I say make hunting dangerous, to the hunter (I look fwd to fark threads on dead onyx knife hunting peeps, but also the celebrations of the truly excellent hunters, who not only survive but come back with something to eat.)
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 09:47:08 AM  

NannyStatePark: Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....

Are you talking about that Bison that's nine bucks a pound at the store? Damn good burger, maybe I will grab some for the weekend.  Glad my demand fuels their recovery as a species.


I will join you in a bison burger, my friend.
Cool thing: bison is BETTER for you than beef!
Bison has less fat, calories & cholesterol compared to beef, chicken, pork and salmon.
And, it has more iron - so is great for women.
 
2012-10-05 09:51:23 AM  
Ok, i'm going to confess something...

Other than fulfilling my dying daughter's (or son's) wish, or for survival, i would not hunt and kill a bear.

I have what some people consider this weird ethic when it comes to certain meat...

I won't eat predators unless i'm surviving... which in the few situations i've gone out on survival expedition, the only predator i ate was a snake i caught...

But my wife has tried to get me to eat gator and shark and bear, and i won't

My view on that is this

If you remove humans and their tools from the ecosystem, those animals are at the top. The evolved to be that way and they belong there. It's the higher order of things. Without tools, I am every bit as much food as the limping gazelle in the herd... So out of respect, i don't hunt and kill predators when I am on the top.

But as i said, there will be a few exceptions to that rule... survival and now the dying wish of my kids...

And i would never advocate the murder of a child (leaving abortion out of this because that's a can of worms i'm not willing to open up)
 
2012-10-05 09:51:38 AM  

gja: NannyStatePark: Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....

Are you talking about that Bison that's nine bucks a pound at the store? Damn good burger, maybe I will grab some for the weekend.  Glad my demand fuels their recovery as a species.

I will join you in a bison burger, my friend.
Cool thing: bison is BETTER for you than beef!
Bison has less fat, calories & cholesterol compared to beef, chicken, pork and salmon.
And, it has more iron - so is great for women.



And, it has more iron - so is great for women.

Eggs, cashews and prune juice - bugger your slaughter, the Mother provides.
 
2012-10-05 09:54:10 AM  

seniorgato:
I really didn't think bear meat was edible. I stand corrected.


Any time anyone says game meat is "gamey", it's a safe bet that it was poorly shot or poorly processed. Prime rib would taste "gamey" if it were aged too long, or contaminated by feces or hair. Bear meat tends to sour quickly because there's so much fat and fur holding heat in. When it's been cared for properly, you probably couldn't tell it wasn't beef. Nuthin's better than moose, but bear is pretty good.
 
2012-10-05 10:01:34 AM  

Langdon_777: I really want the lion hunters to use an Onyx knife and that is all - eat it or be eaten, it doesn't bother me.

But please stop calling modern hunting 'hunting'.


Onyx doesn't make a good knife. Obsidian does. The bottom two pieces here are obsidian, and were supposed to be a knife blade, until I farked up and broke it, so I turned it into a arrowhead and a spear point:

i56.tinypic.com

As for modern hunters, what is your point? Don't forget that for ancient man, that was largely his "job". He could devote the time and effort to becoming skilled at it because he wasn't punching a clock, and his seasons were unlimited. Also, his life, and that of his family, depended on his ability.

Today, most people don't have that amount of time to put into it, and to be honest, even with modern equipment, hunting wild animals is still hard*.

I *REFUSE* to play into the politics of division. Just because I chose a certain path, doesn't mean that others must follow, or that I am somehow superior to those who chose to use a modern rifle and a tree stand (or whatever). They are also hunters, just hunters using different, but equally valid, methods. Like Benjamin Franklin once said, "We must all hang together, or we will most assuredly hand separately".


*Depending on the species, of course.
 
2012-10-05 10:02:15 AM  
The Grim Reaper accepts no substitutes, girly. Your sympathetic magic will not work.
 
2012-10-05 10:05:19 AM  
Nonsense, they don't even have guns in the UK.
 
2012-10-05 10:06:38 AM  
Oh, almost forgot

SHAKETHATBEAR
 
2012-10-05 10:11:47 AM  
members.iinet.net.au
Congratulations on killing something before you die...?
 
2012-10-05 10:12:11 AM  

Langdon_777: dittybopper: Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....

Buffalo were *MARKET* hunted to near extermination, not *SPORT* hunted. They were hunted for their hides and meat which were sold for a profit, not because people enjoyed hunting them.

Same with the passenger pigeon. They were exterminated for profit.

The same thing *ALMOST* happened with black bear, whitetail deer, and wild turkeys in the US: Before 1900, they were hunted not for sport, but largely for subsistence and market reasons. What happened was that people who enjoyed the sport of hunting put a stop to legal market and unregulated subsistence hunting. Since then, the population of whitetails has rebounded from a population of about 500,000 total to 25 to 30 million, just as many as were here during pre-Columbian times. Similarly, black bear and wild turkey populations have greatly rebounded.

If you look at the history of gun making in Appalachia, you can see this happen: Early guns (late 1700s, early 1800s) were in calibers appropriate for big game: .54, .50, .45. By the late 1800's, all the big game had been hunted out, with the largest animal left being wild pigs, so the calibers dropped down to .40, .36, and even .32 caliber, because you don't need a big lead ball to shoot rabbits, squirrels, etc., which was pretty much the only game left. They had hunted the big game out for subsistence (ie., hunting for food) and market reasons.

I really want the lion hunters to use an Onyx knife and that is all - eat it or be eaten, it doesn't bother ...


you realize that even the San tribe of africa, a tribal society unchanged for thousands of years use bows with lethal poison tipped arrows?

In south america, the Huacharia another H/G society also uses poison in rivers and streams to kill massive amounts of fish for their village...

The rifle is the evolution of the hunter's tool... We evolved to use tools to make ourselves more efficient hunters, it's only natural that our tools evolve for the same reasons

Like Ditty, i too like to challenge myself, but my game during those challenges are much smaller than a dear or elk.

One of my favorite things to do is make and hunt with my own primitive hunting tools...

I've made and used an Atlatl, and a sling, I am working on a hand made bow, the wood just got done aging, now i need to split the log and start cutting it down...

Ditty, if you've done this let me know, any tips, tricks or advice would be appreciated...

My next project is a hardware store crossbow... not for primitive purposes, but for emergency preparedness reasons
 
2012-10-05 10:13:44 AM  

DempseySR26: Libtards don't know hunting bears is for population control. I'm shocked shocked I tell youl


You can understand that something is necessary and still show empathy for the creature that died.

Well, at least liberal can feel empathy. . .
 
2012-10-05 10:17:35 AM  

SpectroBoy: DempseySR26: Libtards don't know hunting bears is for population control. I'm shocked shocked I tell youl

You can understand that something is necessary and still show empathy for the creature that died.

Well, at least liberal can feel empathy. . .


Yup, because only Redneck Republicans would ever hunt. All Liberals are far too cultured and distinguished to indulge in such baseless savagery.
 
2012-10-05 10:18:29 AM  

CeroX: Ditty, if you've done this let me know, any tips, tricks or advice would be appreciated...


I can help you with the arrows, but my father made my bow, so I can't be much help there.

I have made an atlatl, but unfortunately you can't hunt with one in NYS. If you could, I'd be practicing with it every farkin' day it isn't raining or snowing, just to be good enough for hunting season.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 10:20:23 AM  

Langdon_777: gja: NannyStatePark: Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....

Are you talking about that Bison that's nine bucks a pound at the store? Damn good burger, maybe I will grab some for the weekend.  Glad my demand fuels their recovery as a species.

I will join you in a bison burger, my friend.
Cool thing: bison is BETTER for you than beef!
Bison has less fat, calories & cholesterol compared to beef, chicken, pork and salmon.
And, it has more iron - so is great for women.


And, it has more iron - so is great for women.

Eggs, cashews and prune juice - bugger your slaughter, the Mother provides.


Eggs is slaughter too, pal. You are advocating the destruction of possible embryos.
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Oh, BTW....egg yolks have MUCH cholesterol, so you fail.....
 
2012-10-05 10:20:34 AM  

GoldDude: [members.iinet.net.au image 500x605]
Congratulations on killing something before you die...?


Thanks!

It gives one a good feeling to have participated in nature, instead of merely observing it.
 
2012-10-05 10:21:28 AM  

OnlyM3: Who called her brave?


I did and I stand behind it. Most 11 year old girls couldn't be DRAGGED in to woods full of bears. This girl went looking for a bear. that is farkin brave for an 11 year old.

Shiat, most adults would lack the balls, panic, and miss the shot. (buck fever)
 
2012-10-05 10:22:08 AM  

gja: Langdon_777: gja: NannyStatePark: Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....

Are you talking about that Bison that's nine bucks a pound at the store? Damn good burger, maybe I will grab some for the weekend.  Glad my demand fuels their recovery as a species.

I will join you in a bison burger, my friend.
Cool thing: bison is BETTER for you than beef!
Bison has less fat, calories & cholesterol compared to beef, chicken, pork and salmon.
And, it has more iron - so is great for women.


And, it has more iron - so is great for women.

Eggs, cashews and prune juice - bugger your slaughter, the Mother provides.

Eggs is slaughter too, pal. You are advocating the destruction of possible embryos.
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Oh, BTW....egg yolks have MUCH cholesterol, so you fail.....


Yup. Life is food. For you to live, something else has to die. Period. The only disagreement is where you draw the line about what you are willing to kill, or have killed for you, in order for you to live.
 
2012-10-05 10:22:14 AM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Yup, because only Redneck Republicans would ever hunt. All Liberals are far too cultured and distinguished to indulge in such baseless savagery.


Not sure if serious or trolling.


/Liberal that hunts
//A quick kill is a kind kill.
 
2012-10-05 10:24:10 AM  

SpectroBoy: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Yup, because only Redneck Republicans would ever hunt. All Liberals are far too cultured and distinguished to indulge in such baseless savagery.

Not sure if serious or trolling.


/Liberal that hunts
//A quick kill is a kind kill.


I read it as sarcasm.
 
2012-10-05 10:24:24 AM  
Came in here to see all the little girl hate...

Leaving way more freaked out that a man was seriously trying to find out if he could use his wife's hipbone as a hammer...
 
2012-10-05 10:25:33 AM  

Langdon_777: gja: NannyStatePark: Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....

Are you talking about that Bison that's nine bucks a pound at the store? Damn good burger, maybe I will grab some for the weekend.  Glad my demand fuels their recovery as a species.

I will join you in a bison burger, my friend.
Cool thing: bison is BETTER for you than beef!
Bison has less fat, calories & cholesterol compared to beef, chicken, pork and salmon.
And, it has more iron - so is great for women.


And, it has more iron - so is great for women.

Eggs, cashews and prune juice - bugger your slaughter, the Mother provides.


The mother doesn't provide... People provide... people pulled those resources from their natural habitat and transplanted them to a region that was suitable for mass production.

Vegetarians seem to forget, the ONLY reason they are able to CHOOSE to live that way is through technology... even as little as 150 years ago, you couldn't have the options all year round that you have now...

Modern machinery makes it possible for people to have access to fruits and vegetables all year round... before that people had to store grains for the winter because grains were the only kind of non-meat product that would last longer than a week.

Now, trucks and trains transport your fruits and vegetables and nuts across country so you can enjoy some fresh fruit or broccoli.

Before modern machinery, drying fruit out in the sun was possible, but ultimately unsafe due to bacterial growth and insect contamination...

You are only able to live your left wing lifestyle because technology allows it, without it, you couldn't have your little "cause"
 
2012-10-05 10:27:58 AM  
Looking at Wisconsin bear hunting regulations it states that: "Youth ages 10 and 11 may only shoot a bear as a 'backup shooter' or possess a firearm if they are in compliance with all the Hunting Mentorship Program requirements." It appears that the role of a 'backup shooter' is described as: "...to shoot a bear that was first lawfully shot, but not killed, by a Class A bear license holder but only if killing the bear is necessary to protect human safety

The article states she killed it with a single shot and there is no mention of anyone else shooting first (Han Solo excluded) or being in danger. Is there any Wisconsin Farkers that hunt that can elaborate on what a "back up shooter" is and how that applies to youth hunters?
 
2012-10-05 10:28:57 AM  
I love it when I'm late to a hunting thread, only to find that dittybopper has things well in control.
You people calling for harm to this young girl for participating in a legal, regulated hunt need to take a hard look at yourselves.
 
2012-10-05 10:29:28 AM  

DWitchiewoman: Came in here to see all the little girl hate...

Leaving way more freaked out that a man was seriously trying to find out if he could use his wife's hipbone as a hammer...


Not *JUST* a hammer, but one for knapping flint, perhaps as a replacement for the antler I have been using:

i56.tinypic.com

/It was more of a joke, really.
 
2012-10-05 10:31:23 AM  

dittybopper: CeroX: Ditty, if you've done this let me know, any tips, tricks or advice would be appreciated...

I can help you with the arrows, but my father made my bow, so I can't be much help there.

I have made an atlatl, but unfortunately you can't hunt with one in NYS. If you could, I'd be practicing with it every farkin' day it isn't raining or snowing, just to be good enough for hunting season.


Can't in ohio either, but i live 1/2 hour from the river and can hunt in KY... Can't rifle hunt dear in ohio, only shotgun... and you can't hunt with buckshot, only slugs...

But you know what you CAN hunt in ohio? Canadian Geese... that's right, a couple years ago they opened up canadian geese season in Jan... I finally got some revenge on those shiat factories for biting me in the leg in the parking lot of my work!

i digress again...

sorry... hard to keep focus today...

Anyway, i'll let you know how it comes out... i should be splitting the wood in a few weeks...
 
2012-10-05 10:31:59 AM  
No worries.

When the followup of her death is posted, someone will surely post a "And not a single F was given that day" pic.
 
2012-10-05 10:37:32 AM  

amindtat: Looking at Wisconsin bear hunting regulations it states that: "Youth ages 10 and 11 may only shoot a bear as a 'backup shooter' or possess a firearm if they are in compliance with all the Hunting Mentorship Program requirements." It appears that the role of a 'backup shooter' is described as: "...to shoot a bear that was first lawfully shot, but not killed, by a Class A bear license holder but only if killing the bear is necessary to protect human safety

The article states she killed it with a single shot and there is no mention of anyone else shooting first (Han Solo excluded) or being in danger. Is there any Wisconsin Farkers that hunt that can elaborate on what a "back up shooter" is and how that applies to youth hunters?


I don't know what about Wisconsin, but in Ohio it means that you have a licensed, experienced, hunter that will do the hunting, tracking, etc, and the back up can take the shot upon guidance of the primary... it's meant to be a "guided hunt"

In other words, you could seriously endanger yourself or others if you've never hunted bear or other dangerous animals before, so you have to go out with an experienced guide hunter on your first time out. Without an experienced guide, you could seriously walk into a trap and get yourself and people you are with killed... getting between a cub and her momma for example... very dangerous...

It might seem like common sense not to get between a momma and her cub, but when you are out there, you could literally turn around a tree and find yourself in that position and not realize it...

Something we had to learn when hunting in Southern KY and TN
 
2012-10-05 10:39:50 AM  

amindtat: Looking at Wisconsin bear hunting regulations it states that: "Youth ages 10 and 11 may only shoot a bear as a 'backup shooter' or possess a firearm if they are in compliance with all the Hunting Mentorship Program requirements." It appears that the role of a 'backup shooter' is described as: "...to shoot a bear that was first lawfully shot, but not killed, by a Class A bear license holder but only if killing the bear is necessary to protect human safety

The article states she killed it with a single shot and there is no mention of anyone else shooting first (Han Solo excluded) or being in danger. Is there any Wisconsin Farkers that hunt that can elaborate on what a "back up shooter" is and how that applies to youth hunters?


I'm assuming it was on a private preserve, so the hunting laws wouldn't apply.

amindtat: Looking at Wisconsin bear hunting regulations it states that: "Youth ages 10 and 11 may only shoot a bear as a 'backup shooter' or possess a firearm if they are in compliance with all the Hunting Mentorship Program requirements." It appears that the role of a 'backup shooter' is described as: "...to shoot a bear that was first lawfully shot, but not killed, by a Class A bear license holder but only if killing the bear is necessary to protect human safety

The article states she killed it with a single shot and there is no mention of anyone else shooting first (Han Solo excluded) or being in danger. Is there any Wisconsin Farkers that hunt that can elaborate on what a "back up shooter" is and how that applies to youth hunters?


I'm guessing she was in compliance with the Hunting Mentorship Program, not there as a backup shooter. You can be a mentored hunter if your (licensed) hunting mentor is within arms reach, and there is only one gun or bow between the two of you.
 
2012-10-05 10:40:04 AM  

OnlyM3: I simply questioned the sanity of calling for the murder of someone you disagree with, especially when that someone is a child.


I'm actually calling for your murder.... but not because I disagree with you -it's for sport!



www.funnyfunpages.com
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 10:44:44 AM  
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"You don't really come here for the hunting, do you Dave?"

/nobody else saw this coming? i am dissapoint
 
2012-10-05 10:45:55 AM  

gja: /nobody else saw this coming?


The fur was in the way. That's why pron stars shave.
 
2012-10-05 10:50:43 AM  

dittybopper: Langdon_777: I really want the lion hunters to use an Onyx knife and that is all - eat it or be eaten, it doesn't bother me.

But please stop calling modern hunting 'hunting'.

Onyx doesn't make a good knife. Obsidian does. The bottom two pieces here are obsidian, and were supposed to be a knife blade, until I farked up and broke it, so I turned it into a arrowhead and a spear point:

[i56.tinypic.com image 640x480]

As for modern hunters, what is your point? Don't forget that for ancient man, that was largely his "job". He could devote the time and effort to becoming skilled at it because he wasn't punching a clock, and his seasons were unlimited. Also, his life, and that of his family, depended on his ability.

Today, most people don't have that amount of time to put into it, and to be honest, even with modern equipment, hunting wild animals is still hard*.

I *REFUSE* to play into the politics of division. Just because I chose a certain path, doesn't mean that others must follow, or that I am somehow superior to those who chose to use a modern rifle and a tree stand (or whatever). They are also hunters, just hunters using different, but equally valid, methods. Like Benjamin Franklin once said, "We must all hang together, or we will most assuredly hand separately".


*Depending on the species, of course.


I really have luved the pics.

Its a bit like using drones and long rang missiles against dudes with rifles and (maybe) an old rocket launcher - its just unfair, it is asymmetric (even though that word is currently being used to make the stone age peasants look tough).

Ya know bugger the weapon - kill all the animals you like but you must use your hands alone.
 
2012-10-05 10:54:46 AM  
Gotta love the complete disconnect some folks have in this thread.

The very same type of people that are appalled when someone others call for the death of violent criminals are here wishing death and harm on some 11 year old kid for something totally legal. Yet with their Fark Psychology degrees and a straight face they call this child socio or psychopathic. You folks are the reason we can't have nice things.

/well ok, you folks, politicans and lawyers.
 
2012-10-05 10:55:46 AM  

CeroX: Langdon_777: gja: NannyStatePark: Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....

Are you talking about that Bison that's nine bucks a pound at the store? Damn good burger, maybe I will grab some for the weekend.  Glad my demand fuels their recovery as a species.

I will join you in a bison burger, my friend.
Cool thing: bison is BETTER for you than beef!
Bison has less fat, calories & cholesterol compared to beef, chicken, pork and salmon.
And, it has more iron - so is great for women.


And, it has more iron - so is great for women.

Eggs, cashews and prune juice - bugger your slaughter, the Mother provides.

The mother doesn't provide... People provide... people pulled those resources from their natural habitat and transplanted them to a region that was suitable for mass production.

Vegetarians seem to forget, the ONLY reason they are able to CHOOSE to live that way is through technology... even as little as 150 years ago, you couldn't have the options all year round that you have now...

Modern machinery makes it possible for people to have access to fruits and vegetables all year round... before that people had to store grains for the winter because grains were the only kind of non-meat product that would last longer than a week.

Now, trucks and trains transport your fruits and vegetables and nuts across country so you can enjoy some fresh fruit or broccoli.

Before modern machinery, drying fruit out in the sun was possible, but ultimately unsafe due to bacterial growth and insect contamination...

You are only abl ...


So join us, very little has to die for our pleasure...
 
2012-10-05 11:02:21 AM  

fiver5: She should get her meat at the grocery store in shrink wrapped packages like everyone else does. Because killing animals is wrong.


Killing animals for food is not wrong. Food is for survival.

Killing animals for no other purpose other than to kill an animal IS wrong.

The little girl described the hunt as the day her wish came true and said that the family now hopes to mount the bear on the wall to keep the memory alive.

Maybe after she dies her family can mount her on the wall to keep the memory alive.
 
2012-10-05 11:04:00 AM  
dittybopper:
DWitchiewoman: Came in here to see all the little girl hate...
Leaving way more freaked out that a man was seriously trying to find out if he could use his wife's hipbone as a hammer...

Not *JUST* a hammer, but one for knapping flint, perhaps as a replacement for the antler I have been using


I don't know weather to be horrified or turned on. Uncomfortable.
 
2012-10-05 11:05:23 AM  

silverjets: fiver5: She should get her meat at the grocery store in shrink wrapped packages like everyone else does. Because killing animals is wrong.

Killing animals for food is not wrong. Food is for survival.

Killing animals for no other purpose other than to kill an animal IS wrong.

The little girl described the hunt as the day her wish came true and said that the family now hopes to mount the bear on the wall to keep the memory alive.

Maybe after she dies her family can mount her on the wall to keep the memory alive.


Zing!
 
2012-10-05 11:05:54 AM  
I understand why some people don't care that she killed the bear for fun, so those people should understand why i wont care when shes dead...
 
2012-10-05 11:10:04 AM  

silverjets: Killing animals for food is not wrong. Food is for survival.

Killing animals for no other purpose other than to kill an animal IS wrong.


No it isn't, not if it guarantees the survival of that species, and of the other non-game species that share that habitat.
 
2012-10-05 11:11:41 AM  

dittybopper: silverjets: Killing animals for food is not wrong. Food is for survival.

Killing animals for no other purpose other than to kill an animal IS wrong.

No it isn't, not if it guarantees the survival of that species, and of the other non-game species that share that habitat.


If thats then case, then the purpose would be "to preserve the species".
 
2012-10-05 11:20:07 AM  

protectyourlimbs: I understand why some people don't care that she killed the bear for fun, so those people should understand why i wont care when shes dead...


Why do you have so much hate for a child simply because she enjoys hunting with her family?? You seriously need to get off the internet, go outside and learn how to relate to other human beings.
 
2012-10-05 11:20:17 AM  

DWitchiewoman: dittybopper:
DWitchiewoman: Came in here to see all the little girl hate...
Leaving way more freaked out that a man was seriously trying to find out if he could use his wife's hipbone as a hammer...

Not *JUST* a hammer, but one for knapping flint, perhaps as a replacement for the antler I have been using

I don't know weather to be horrified or turned on. Uncomfortable.


You know, it's not an either/or situation.
 
2012-10-05 11:24:18 AM  

silverjets: fiver5: She should get her meat at the grocery store in shrink wrapped packages like everyone else does. Because killing animals is wrong.

Killing animals for food is not wrong. Food is for survival.

Killing animals for no other purpose other than to kill an animal IS wrong.

The little girl described the hunt as the day her wish came true and said that the family now hopes to mount the bear on the wall to keep the memory alive.

Maybe after she dies her family can mount her on the wall to keep the memory alive.


Why is it that you and the hundreds of other hate-mongers in this thread are totally convinced that she killed the bear and then threw all the meat in the garbage. Bear is delicious. A hunter can and does enjoy the hunt. We are not required to shed a tear just before squeezing the trigger in order to justify taking a life. Yes, hunting is fun. If it wasn't enjoyable do you really think MILLIONS of Americans would continue to hunt every year??
 
2012-10-05 11:24:30 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: dittybopper: silverjets: Killing animals for food is not wrong. Food is for survival.

Killing animals for no other purpose other than to kill an animal IS wrong.

No it isn't, not if it guarantees the survival of that species, and of the other non-game species that share that habitat.

If thats then case, then the purpose would be "to preserve the species".


Yep. And getting people to voluntarily spend tens of millions of dollars to increase wildlife habitat, along with the tens of millions they spend semi-involuntarily via excise taxes on hunting equipment, is an awesome way to pay for it. It's win-win all around: The species get to live their lives in natural surroundings as nature intended, people who enjoy hunting get to keep doing it, and everyone else who enjoys nature benefits from the largesse of the sport hunters.
 
2012-10-05 11:30:41 AM  
The night before I got my heart transplant, when everything had gone to shiat and I was hooked up to oxygen masks, all I wanted, more than anything else, was a quarter-pounder trio from McDonalds.
Dying wishes are weird.
/csb
 
2012-10-05 11:39:02 AM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: silverjets: fiver5: She should get her meat at the grocery store in shrink wrapped packages like everyone else does. Because killing animals is wrong.

Killing animals for food is not wrong. Food is for survival.

Killing animals for no other purpose other than to kill an animal IS wrong.

The little girl described the hunt as the day her wish came true and said that the family now hopes to mount the bear on the wall to keep the memory alive.

Maybe after she dies her family can mount her on the wall to keep the memory alive.

Why is it that you and the hundreds of other hate-mongers in this thread are totally convinced that she killed the bear and then threw all the meat in the garbage. Bear is delicious. A hunter can and does enjoy the hunt. We are not required to shed a tear just before squeezing the trigger in order to justify taking a life. Yes, hunting is fun. If it wasn't enjoyable do you really think MILLIONS of Americans would continue to hunt every year??


I am pretty sure rape and pillage is enjoyable, but I tend to avoid it ...
 
2012-10-05 11:42:13 AM  
dittybopper:

I like your style. When I was a kid I was into all sorts of stuff like that. I still have my custom 50cal caplock muzzle loader. (I like flintlocks but for competitions I wanted something a bit more reliable) Always made my own bullets and patches. I also threw knives and french tomahawks. Even made my own hunting knife. I bought a broken blade and reground it and made my own handle out of antler (my dad helped a lot). I kind of fell away from that after i went to college but all my stuff is still back home stuck in a closet somewhere...
 
2012-10-05 11:53:45 AM  
I'm guessing that most of you are city folk.


Good for you kid!
 
2012-10-05 11:55:25 AM  

Tellingthem: When I was a kid I was into all sorts of stuff like that. I still have my custom 50cal caplock muzzle loader. (I like flintlocks but for competitions I wanted something a bit more reliable)


I compete regularly with my flintlock:

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Every year, I do primitive biathlons in the winter. Out of the 65 shots I've fired in competition*, I've had a single misfire with the flintlock, and it wasn't because of the gun, it was because I got distracted and rammed a ball home with no powder under it. If you have a well-built flintlock, and you load it properly, it will fire.

*You can effectively double or triple that, accounting for practice, but I don't keep records of that.
 
2012-10-05 11:57:55 AM  

sendtodave: HotWingConspiracy: Ask anyone if they'd rather have a bear, or a diseased, depressing child. She's a total money sink. The bear is just going to be out there doing bear stuff, pretty self-sufficient.

Fair point. And in some places you could put the bear in a cage, and have people pay to feed it peanuts or something. Easy money.

Try doing that with a kid.


In some places they put kids in caged and people pay to fark them. So what's your point?
 
2012-10-05 12:00:13 PM  

CeroX:

Vegetarians seem to forget, the ONLY reason they are able to CHOOSE to live that way is through technology... even as little as 150 years ago, you couldn't have the options all year round that you have now...

Modern machinery makes it possible for people to have access to fruits and vegetables all year round... before that people had to store grains for the winter because grains were the only kind of non-meat product that would last longer than a week.

Now, trucks and trains transport your fruits and vegetables and nuts across country so you can enjoy some fresh fruit or broccoli.

Before modern machinery, drying fruit out in the sun was possible, but ultimately unsafe due to bacterial growth and insect contamination...

You are only abl ...


Well now, wait a minute. That's not true. I have a root cellar full of vegetables I've grown myself, some that keep well into late March. Winter squash, potato, onion, carrots, beets, rutabega, turnip.

Apples also keep well as do dried beans and some other legumes without canning or refrigeration. As do all kinds of nuts. Some vegetables like leeks will over winter right in the garden. I've picked fresh leeks with 6" of snow on the ground. Swiss chard and kale will survive several frosts.

/not a vegetarian
 
2012-10-05 12:10:38 PM  

NannyStatePark: I may not be morally superior to many people on this earth but I will happily say at least I didn't wish an eleven year old child dead due to her legal recreational and dietary choices.

I hear bears are DEELISH! I've got some room in the freezer if she doesn't want him. Bet the fat slobs are tender as hell.


Meh... dark, gamey, extremely greasy. Edible, but no prime rib.

Oh, and if you derive pleasure from killing, there's something wrong with you.
 
2012-10-05 12:22:14 PM  

dittybopper: Tellingthem: When I was a kid I was into all sorts of stuff like that. I still have my custom 50cal caplock muzzle loader. (I like flintlocks but for competitions I wanted something a bit more reliable)

I compete regularly with my flintlock:

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Every year, I do primitive biathlons in the winter. Out of the 65 shots I've fired in competition*, I've had a single misfire with the flintlock, and it wasn't because of the gun, it was because I got distracted and rammed a ball home with no powder under it. If you have a well-built flintlock, and you load it properly, it will fire.

*You can effectively double or triple that, accounting for practice, but I don't keep records of that.


It wasn't so much snow as it was the rain. We shot a lot in the rain and i saw some flints having water issues so I never wanted to deal with it. I also may have just been a bit paranoid. I do have that tendency haha
 
2012-10-05 12:24:59 PM  

REO-Weedwagon: Trophy hunters are sociopathic no matter their age.


I agree that trophy hunting is wasteful and kind of douchey, but sociopathic? That's going rather far; among other things, it anthropomorphizes the bear.
 
2012-10-05 12:30:00 PM  

Langdon_777: Ya know bugger the weapon - kill all the animals you like but you must use your hands alone.


Would endurance hunting qualify?
 
2012-10-05 12:37:30 PM  

pottie: I'm guessing that most of you are city folk.


Good for you kid!


"City folk" - does anyone say this other than wanna-be rednecks from the suburbs? I come from a "country" family, and love to camp, fish, hike, etc... and I love nothing more than seeing rare wildlife when I do so, and this dumb coont has taken away a part of my ability to do that.

There's nothing wrong with harvesting animals for food to survive. But hunting animals to satiate a reptilian desire to kill for the sake of killing is farking disgusting and we should attempt to evolve beyond that.

Go fark yourself and your "city folk" Larry the Cable Guy bullshiat.
 
2012-10-05 12:39:02 PM  

Millennium: REO-Weedwagon: Trophy hunters are sociopathic no matter their age.

I agree that trophy hunting is wasteful and kind of douchey, but sociopathic? That's going rather far; among other things, it anthropomorphizes the bear.


Don't you know? Sociopathy is Fark's favorite mental illness. Don't like someone's opinion, they're sociopathic. Someone being a dick? They're sociopathic. Call someone out for being stupid? Your sociopathic. It's amazing the number of trained psychologists we have here.
 
2012-10-05 12:39:52 PM  

glassbottomboatcaptain: I guess it just seems to me that someone coming face to face with their own impending mortality might look into the eyes of a beautiful, wild animal they're about to shoot and have a profound moment of realization that even though whether she lives or dies is out of her hands, whether this living being lives or dies is in her hands, and give it the very gift she wishes for herself - a second chance.

But nope, she shot it because killing things is fun. Well little girl, do you know who else seems to like to kill for the fun of it? God. And he's aiming down his little finger-gun at you as we speak.


Amen
 
2012-10-05 12:40:10 PM  
What are we talking about here, subby? Post-op tranny?
 
2012-10-05 12:40:14 PM  

Millennium: REO-Weedwagon: Trophy hunters are sociopathic no matter their age.

I agree that trophy hunting is wasteful and kind of douchey, but sociopathic? That's going rather far; among other things, it anthropomorphizes the bear.


I have zero doubt that trophy hunters would hunt human beings if they could get a permit for it.
 
2012-10-05 12:44:59 PM  
So a "dream come true" for this person who is waiting on lifesaving organs is to be able to go out and kill other living beings? That they weren't even going to put to any sort of good use afterwards? Just taking shiatty pictures with the corpse?

/facepalm

//digging the irony of her having shot it through the heart though
 
2012-10-05 12:48:49 PM  

for good or for awesome: Good lord. I'm always surprised at the number of people on Fark that think killing an animal like this is a horrible tragedy. None of you need to eat meat. You do it because you like it. If killing this bear gives this little girl and her family some comfort good for them. As long as the animal is not endangered have at it.


I disagree with the bolded. If killing the bear provided the girl and her family with food, then more power to them. If they're killing just to kill, then thank god the girl's time on earth is short. fark her.
 
2012-10-05 12:51:12 PM  
Nice!

Quit your biatchin' folks, you guys sound like a bunch of pussies. It is just a damn bear.
 
2012-10-05 12:52:34 PM  

Mose: CeroX:

Vegetarians seem to forget, the ONLY reason they are able to CHOOSE to live that way is through technology... even as little as 150 years ago, you couldn't have the options all year round that you have now...

Modern machinery makes it possible for people to have access to fruits and vegetables all year round... before that people had to store grains for the winter because grains were the only kind of non-meat product that would last longer than a week.

Now, trucks and trains transport your fruits and vegetables and nuts across country so you can enjoy some fresh fruit or broccoli.

Before modern machinery, drying fruit out in the sun was possible, but ultimately unsafe due to bacterial growth and insect contamination...

You are only abl ...

Well now, wait a minute. That's not true. I have a root cellar full of vegetables I've grown myself, some that keep well into late March. Winter squash, potato, onion, carrots, beets, rutabega, turnip.

Apples also keep well as do dried beans and some other legumes without canning or refrigeration. As do all kinds of nuts. Some vegetables like leeks will over winter right in the garden. I've picked fresh leeks with 6" of snow on the ground. Swiss chard and kale will survive several frosts.

/not a vegetarian


Alright, i'll concede to the point of potatoes and other root veggies... Kale and Chard surviving 2 frosts is really only valid if you live in an area that it doesn't really snow or frost that often...

My grandmother used to keep potatoes in the basement, they actually started growing roots down there... I wouldn't peg onions to do that though, I've had onions go bad in just a couple of weeks... Carrots wither up but are still technically edible... I have no idea about turnips, i don't like them anyway... She also tried keeping green beans in the basement, but we always had to string them and can them quickly after a month or so because they would start to turn...

But my grandparents also lived on a farm and raised their own meat and gardens on about 40 acres... not everyone can do that, and certainly not your typical vegan
 
2012-10-05 12:56:58 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: thank god the girl's time on earth is short. fark her.


This opinion, repeated often in this thread, just drives me nuts.
Talk about sociopathy.
 
2012-10-05 12:57:03 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: So a "dream come true" for this person who is waiting on lifesaving organs is to be able to go out and kill other living beings? That they weren't even going to put to any sort of good use afterwards? Just taking shiatty pictures with the corpse?

/facepalm

//digging the irony of her having shot it through the heart though


That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

/live about 20 minutes from where the story took place.
// It's very rare for Wisconsinite folks to hunt anything and not eat or donate the meat.
 
2012-10-05 01:07:23 PM  

Tellingthem: It wasn't so much snow as it was the rain. We shot a lot in the rain and i saw some flints having water issues so I never wanted to deal with it. I also may have just been a bit paranoid. I do have that tendency haha


There are ways to keep a flintlock firing in the rain, but yeah, there is a bit of this to it:

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/That's my gun, btw.
 
2012-10-05 01:08:45 PM  

CeroX:
Alright, i'll concede to the point of potatoes and other root veggies... Kale and Chard surviving 2 frosts is really only valid if you live in an area that it doesn't really snow or frost that often...

My grandmother used to keep potatoes in the basement, they actually started growing roots down there... I wouldn't peg onions to do that though, I've had onions go bad in just a couple of weeks... Carrots wither up but are still technically edible... I have no idea about turnips, i don't like them anyway... She also tried keeping green beans in the basement, but we always had to string them and can them quickly after a month or so because they would start to turn...

But my grandparents also lived on ...


Funny, I don't really like turnips either. I don't know why I grow them. Tradition I guess.

Potatoes won't sprout unless they get warm. I keep mine in the cold corner of the cellar, probably 45F, and the eyes don't sprout until April-ish (I'm in Zone 5). Onions will go bad if you pull them while the tops are still green, or the soil is damp, or if you don't cure them all the way before storage. And I find they keep better in dry conditions unlike most other root vegetables.

Carrots don't shrivel if you store them in damp sand. Same with parsnips. And most other root vegetables need high humidity to keep right.

I wouldn't try storing green beans without canning or freezing them, not the cultivars breed for eating green, anyway. If you plant a common bean, like navy or black or one of the dozens of other types of common bean and let them dry totally on the stalk, they'll keep a long time. Stored cool and dry.

I'm not even really sure what we were talking about any more, but if you want any preservation tips, let me know. I've been doing it a while.
 
2012-10-05 01:10:12 PM  

rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.


What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?
 
2012-10-05 01:13:17 PM  
Disgusting little asshole. I hope she dies soon.
 
2012-10-05 01:13:42 PM  

jigger: rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?


Yes
 
2012-10-05 01:16:35 PM  

rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?

Yes


Did these people eat this bear? Doubtful. They'll probably just stuff it.

Maybe they should stuff and mount the kid after she dies too. To commemorate the occasion. And as a trophy to their reproductive prowess.
 
2012-10-05 01:18:43 PM  
Well, it's pretty obvious who lives in a city and has never hunted before and those who live in rural areas and do hunt.

Basically breaks down into those who wish her dead and those who can appreciate her hunting trip.

I, for one, approve....and I'm a left-leaning democrat that hunts.

You don't approve? Bite me.
 
2012-10-05 01:20:33 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "City folk" - does anyone say this other than wanna-be rednecks from the suburbs? I come from a "country" family, and love to camp, fish, hike, etc... and I love nothing more than seeing rare wildlife when I do so, and this dumb coont has taken away a part of my ability to do that.


Black bears are rare? News to me as they are a "Least Concern" species. Hell, when I lived up in the 'Dacks, we used to go watch them at the dump on Saturday nights.

Also, I don't believe you are from a rural background, because no one raised in such a environment would call a very ill 11 year old girl a "dumb c-word". Sounds more like something city folk would say.
 
2012-10-05 01:21:32 PM  

jigger: rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?


Yes, some do.
 
2012-10-05 01:21:49 PM  

jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?

Yes

Did these people eat this bear? Doubtful. They'll probably just stuff it.

Maybe they should stuff and mount the kid after she dies too. To commemorate the occasion. And as a trophy to their reproductive prowess.


You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?
 
2012-10-05 01:23:28 PM  

jigger: Did these people eat this bear? Doubtful. They'll probably just stuff it.


It's not an either/or. You can do both, as the meat isn't used for the mount.

Maybe they should stuff and mount the kid after she dies too. To commemorate the occasion. And as a trophy to their reproductive prowess.


Oh, I thought you were serious. Nevermind.
 
2012-10-05 01:23:43 PM  

dittybopper: jigger: rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?

Yes, some do.


While bear is greasy, it's also pretty damn good...
 
2012-10-05 01:24:10 PM  

Suede head: Disgusting little asshole. I hope she dies soon.


Why?
 
2012-10-05 01:27:01 PM  

rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?


I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.

dittybopper: Oh, I thought you were serious. Nevermind.


No, I'm serious. Would it be so horrible to stuff her and mount her? After she's dead, of course, let's not be monsters.
 
2012-10-05 01:29:48 PM  
There is nothing wrong with shooting a non-endangered species and getting some meat and a nice little rug out of the deal too. Anyone who says different and isn't a complete vegan (no leather shoes dumbass and you probably should make sure none of your vaccines and medicines are grown in or made from animal byproducts) is a hypocrite.
 
2012-10-05 01:30:50 PM  

jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.



Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?
 
2012-10-05 01:31:48 PM  

rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

What use is a dead bear? Do people eat bear?

Yes

Did these people eat this bear? Doubtful. They'll probably just stuff it.

Maybe they should stuff and mount the kid after she dies too. To commemorate the occasion. And as a trophy to their reproductive prowess.

You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?


Not just that but the person that will stuff the bear will often either offer to have the meat processed for you, or will give you a discount on stuffing if you allow them to keep the meat.

I happen to hunt deer and have never kept anything besides the meat. The local Taxidermist offers discounts to hunters if they want a deer stuffed but don't want the meat (very rare btw). My processor will give me a discount for letting them keep the antlers if it is a buck dear.

Never hunted Bear, Moose, or any other big-game beyond white-tail deer. I do hunt upland game and water fowl such as Pheasant, Quail, Duck, Canadian Geese, Sharp-Tailed Grouse, and Partridge. I shoot my legal limit every year and I do eat all the meat.

Don't approve of this? I don't care...but remember that next time you order a hamburger, Steak, Fish, or Chicken meal that someone else killed that animal for you. Just because someone else did the killing, you hypocrites, doesn't make you better than someone who does the hunting and killing of their own meals.
 
2012-10-05 01:41:42 PM  

jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.

dittybopper: Oh, I thought you were serious. Nevermind.

No, I'm serious. Would it be so horrible to stuff her and mount her? After she's dead, of course, let's not be monsters.


i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-05 01:55:53 PM  

rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?


There's no such thing as trophy hunting?
 
2012-10-05 01:56:49 PM  
farking vagitarians.
 
2012-10-05 01:57:55 PM  

rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?


I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.
 
2012-10-05 01:59:37 PM  
If you don't like hunting, btw, you should boycott Facebook. Its founder and CEO is a hunter.
 
2012-10-05 02:00:22 PM  

jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.


I've known men who only liked to have intercourse with other men so clearly this is the last generation of humans since none of us will be having any children.
 
2012-10-05 02:00:40 PM  
If the little brat was hungry and needed to eat then I'd be the first person to defend her right to kill an animal but she wasn't hungry, she is a spoilt biatch who enjoys taking the life of an innocent animal for no other reason but she can.
There's a name for people like her and its sociopath.
 
2012-10-05 02:06:09 PM  

jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

There's no such thing as trophy hunting?


You'll find very little of that in central and northern Wisconsin, where this story takes place. The town this girl is from has a population of about 400-450ish people. I would say about 75% of the families that make up that town are likely to have hunting licenses, and few of them would waste game meat like that. Even if they don't eat it themselves, many hunters in the state donate their meat to needy families through hunt for the hungry. Game meat rarely ever goes to waste in this state, too many of us like our varied game sausage and burgers.
 
2012-10-05 02:09:48 PM  

Sinister 161: If the little brat was hungry and needed to eat then I'd be the first person to defend her right to kill an animal but she wasn't hungry, she is a spoilt biatch who enjoys taking the life of an innocent animal for no other reason but she can.
There's a name for people like her and its sociopath.


Really? Are you a psychiatrist/psychologist now? And what exact traits of sociopathy is she showing based only on this article?

I know many of you here don't know any better, but in the area she's from, hunting varied and assorted animals is pretty normal. But of course you guys obviously know each and every hunter personally and know the exact motivations behind their hunting.
 
2012-10-05 02:10:42 PM  

jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.


Because everyone is as farktarded as the people you know right?
 
2012-10-05 02:15:12 PM  

rickycal78: Really? Are you a psychiatrist/psychologist now?


No. He's a pimp, you can check his stats....or better yet, his profile pic.
 
2012-10-05 02:22:42 PM  

Sinister 161: If the little brat was hungry and needed to eat then I'd be the first person to defend her right to kill an animal but she wasn't hungry, she is a spoilt biatch who enjoys taking the life of an innocent animal for no other reason but she can.
There's a name for people like her and its sociopath.


So you would ban sport hunting, but leave subsistence hunting?
 
2012-10-05 02:26:06 PM  
Wow, the level of retardation and hate for a little girl is sickening.

But hey, thanks assholes for giving me an incentive to get off the internet and get back to work. I don't think I can stomach any more of this bullshiat.
 
2012-10-05 02:29:59 PM  

The Muthaship: rickycal78: Really? Are you a psychiatrist/psychologist now?

No. He's a pimp, you can check his stats....or better yet, his profile pic.


I'm a qualified psychiatric pimp who knows enough to be freaked out by anyone who says it's a "dream come true" killing a bear.
I'm no vegan, I'm a meat eater who denies no animal the chance to end up on my plate but I see their death as a necessity and certainly not a dream come true.
 
2012-10-05 02:31:47 PM  

dittybopper: Sinister 161: If the little brat was hungry and needed to eat then I'd be the first person to defend her right to kill an animal but she wasn't hungry, she is a spoilt biatch who enjoys taking the life of an innocent animal for no other reason but she can.
There's a name for people like her and its sociopath.

So you would ban sport hunting, but leave subsistence hunting?


Of course. I'm not against killing for food only against killing for pleasure.
 
2012-10-05 02:32:45 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "City folk" - does anyone say this other than wanna-be rednecks from the suburbs? I come from a "country" family, and love to camp, fish, hike, etc... and I love nothing more than seeing rare wildlife when I do so, and this dumb coont has taken away a part of my ability to do that.


You sound like city folk....

/18+ years on a family hog farm
//currently lives in the middle of a forest (more or less)
///doesn't hunt
///has a college education
////not to fond of "rednecks" , also known as "wanna-be hillbillies"
 
2012-10-05 02:37:52 PM  

rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.

Because everyone is as farktarded as the people you know right?


If all hunters aren't the same then why did you imply that they are?
 
2012-10-05 02:40:40 PM  

Sinister 161: I'm a qualified psychiatric pimp who knows enough to be freaked out by anyone who says it's a "dream come true" killing a bear.


She grew up in a hunting family, and with the knowledge she might not live very long. It's understandable she would want to achieve a feat her family treats as important as soon as she could. Further, there is no reason to believe that this bear wasn't used in a responsible manner after its death. Based on that you called her a "spoilt biatch" and assigned motives to her actions that were not supported by facts. I hope you aren't counseling anyone.
 
2012-10-05 02:43:32 PM  

jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.


Hate to break it to you but not enough fur barers are killed in the US. Skunks,possums and raccoons are to abundant and need controlled better. Rabies and canine distemper are out of controll in their populations.
 
2012-10-05 02:49:10 PM  

jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.

Because everyone is as farktarded as the people you know right?

If all hunters aren't the same then why did you imply that they are?


What kind of drugs are you on? How does saying that you are ignorant of hunters in general equate to me saying that all hunters are the same? What are you, some kind of politician or lawyer? Because that's some twisted ass logic you've got there.

Sinister 161: The Muthaship: rickycal78: Really? Are you a psychiatrist/psychologist now?

No. He's a pimp, you can check his stats....or better yet, his profile pic.

I'm a qualified psychiatric pimp who knows enough to be freaked out by anyone who says it's a "dream come true" killing a bear.
I'm no vegan, I'm a meat eater who denies no animal the chance to end up on my plate but I see their death as a necessity and certainly not a dream come true.


And where do you stand on people that hunt because they enjoy it, but donate the meat?
 
2012-10-05 02:51:23 PM  

The Muthaship: Sinister 161: I'm a qualified psychiatric pimp who knows enough to be freaked out by anyone who says it's a "dream come true" killing a bear.

She grew up in a hunting family, and with the knowledge she might not live very long. It's understandable she would want to achieve a feat her family treats as important as soon as she could. Further, there is no reason to believe that this bear wasn't used in a responsible manner after its death. Based on that you called her a "spoilt biatch" and assigned motives to her actions that were not supported by facts. I hope you aren't counseling anyone.


There's no reason to believe that it was either unless more facts arise.
Everyone is different and sees things in a different way, I see the shooting of a bear (for whatever reason) as nothing to be celebrated and certainly not a dream come true. This girl and I suspect you it see differently. I have no desire to change your mind in that respect and my opinion of the girl remains the same.

/I gave up counselling as soon as the hoes started talking back.
 
2012-10-05 02:57:59 PM  

rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: jigger: rickycal78: You do realize you can get the meat from the bear and still stuff it right? You don't honestly believe they leave the majority of the animals body in their skin do you?

I doubt they will eat it and probably just stuff it.


Based on what exactly, your obvious ignorance of hunting and hunters?

I've known people who would go out and hunt raccoons. Why did they hunt them? Just to kill them. They did nothing with the bodies after they were done. No trophy. No food. They just liked killing them. And it's not like the raccoons were a nuisance. They said as much. They did it strictly to kill something.

Because everyone is as farktarded as the people you know right?

If all hunters aren't the same then why did you imply that they are?

What kind of drugs are you on? How does saying that you are ignorant of hunters in general equate to me saying that all hunters are the same? What are you, some kind of politician or lawyer? Because that's some twisted ass logic you've got there.

Sinister 161: The Muthaship: rickycal78: Really? Are you a psychiatrist/psychologist now?

No. He's a pimp, you can check his stats....or better yet, his profile pic.

I'm a qualified psychiatric pimp who knows enough to be freaked out by anyone who says it's a "dream come true" killing a bear.
I'm no vegan, I'm a meat eater who denies no animal the chance to end up on my plate but I see their death as a necessity and certainly not a dream come true.

And where do you stand on people that hunt because they enjoy it, but donate the meat?


Interesting point. My personal opinion says that I can't agree with anyone enjoying the death of an animal but if the animal is used productively afterwards then at least it's death wouldn't be for nothing. Not a straight answer I know but it's moral vs practical.
 
2012-10-05 03:00:23 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pottie: I'm guessing that most of you are city folk.


Good for you kid!

"City folk" - does anyone say this other than wanna-be rednecks from the suburbs? I come from a "country" family, and love to camp, fish, hike, etc... and I love nothing more than seeing rare wildlife when I do so, and this dumb coont has taken away a part of my ability to do that.

There's nothing wrong with harvesting animals for food to survive. But hunting animals to satiate a reptilian desire to kill for the sake of killing is farking disgusting and we should attempt to evolve beyond that.

Go fark yourself and your "city folk" Larry the Cable Guy bullshiat.



My, my, Jones, did I strike a nerve? If you came from a country family, I would suppose you know where food comes from. It's not the neat little cellophane wrapped trays you buy in the store. Country folk know where food comes from and what it takes to get it. They also value wildlife as much as anyone, and by the way, black bears are not all that rare. They're thick as ticks here in Alaska. As for being a redneck from the suburbs, well you're a little off base on that one...

The bottom line is that people have hunted since the very beginning and have become a bit squeamish about it only relatively recently.
 
2012-10-05 03:05:37 PM  

dittybopper: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "City folk" - does anyone say this other than wanna-be rednecks from the suburbs? I come from a "country" family, and love to camp, fish, hike, etc... and I love nothing more than seeing rare wildlife when I do so, and this dumb coont has taken away a part of my ability to do that.

Black bears are rare? News to me as they are a "Least Concern" species. Hell, when I lived up in the 'Dacks, we used to go watch them at the dump on Saturday nights.

Also, I don't believe you are from a rural background, because no one raised in such a environment would call a very ill 11 year old girl a "dumb c-word". Sounds more like something city folk would say.


Not all people from rural backgrounds feel the need to espouse stereotypes (or play dress-up like a charater from Disney's Frontierland) in order to reaffirm some bullshiat outdoorsman machismo.
 
2012-10-05 03:12:14 PM  

REO-Weedwagon: Trophy hunters are sociopathic no matter their age.


This.
 
2012-10-05 03:19:37 PM  

gshepnyc: REO-Weedwagon: Trophy hunters are sociopathic no matter their age.

This.


Citations? Credentials? Proof this was only a trophy hunt? List of sociopathic behavior the people in this article exhibit based on the article? Mind you I'm asking for actual sociopathic behavior, not what the average Farker with a GED in Psychology thinks is sociopathic behavior. (hint: hunting, whether they themselves use the meat or not isn't actual sociopathic behavior)
 
2012-10-05 03:20:13 PM  

Sinister 161: I see the shooting of a bear (for whatever reason) as nothing to be celebrated and certainly not a dream come true.


That is fine. However, those that lable others that don't suscribe to your ideals just exemplifies the intolerace folks like you have.

Responding to the general concept of hunting apex predators, current wildlife management practices cannot work correctly unless all animals in the big game food chain can be managed. In many instances, that means hunting seasons for mountain lions, wolves, bears, etc.
 
2012-10-05 03:27:07 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Not all people from rural backgrounds feel the need to espouse stereotypes


Most of the stereotypes that I am seeing are coming from the city slickers that have no clue about wildlife managemen or hunting. It is kind of funny to watch.
 
2012-10-05 03:27:13 PM  

Sinister 161: dittybopper: Sinister 161: If the little brat was hungry and needed to eat then I'd be the first person to defend her right to kill an animal but she wasn't hungry, she is a spoilt biatch who enjoys taking the life of an innocent animal for no other reason but she can.
There's a name for people like her and its sociopath.

So you would ban sport hunting, but leave subsistence hunting?

Of course. I'm not against killing for food only against killing for pleasure.


So you have no problem with people killing off a species to eat it, but you have a problem with people saving a species simply because they enjoy shooting them?

I think you, like perhaps most, haven't really given all that much *THOUGHT* to this, but a lot of emotion. Let me lay it out for you.

First, there are three distinct kinds of hunting:

1. Subsistence hunting. This is hunting strictly for food, and perhaps also because the animals in question are destroying your food crop.

2. Market hunting. This is hunting in order to sell the parts for monetary gain. This could also include hunting for a bounty, it's just in that case government is the market.

3. Sport hunting. This is hunting for the enjoyment of it. It may involve the hunter eating his prey, but it doesn't have to.

Subsistence hunting is bad from an ecological standpoint. People who are hunting because they need to eat don't give a rat's ass whether the animal in their sights is endangered or not. In fact, there is decent evidence that whenever man showed up, we hunted the many of the large species into extinction for food:

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This has also happened more recently, and here in North America. Subsistence hunting in Appalachia led to the basic extinction of large wildlife in that area.

Similarly, market hunting is also bad from an ecological standpoint. People who hunt for profit don't care about sustainable, or even growing, populations of species they target. They want the maximum profit with the minimum effort. This is what led to the decimation of the bison herds in the American West, and what led to the extinction of the Passenger Pigeon (they were used as a cheap food source). It's a classic example of the "tragedy of the commons".

Sport hunting, hunting because you enjoy hunting, is different though. People who enjoy doing something tend to want to keep on doing it, so they spend a *LOT* of time, political capital, and money, especially money, ensuring that the species they like to hunt has a healthy population. Seemingly paradoxically, sport hunting leads to *INCREASES* in game populations. As a major side benefit, all the non-game animals that live in the same habitat benefit from the protection also. Back around 1900, there were around 500,000 whitetail deer in all of North America. They had been market and subsistence hunted down from a pre-Columbian population estimated to be around 25 to 30 million. Since then, almost entirely due to the efforts of sport hunters, their numbers are now back up to pre-Columbian levels. Similarly, moose, elk, black bear, and wild turkey are all benefiting from sport hunting.

Now, many sport hunters also eat their kills, but this isn't a requirement, nor should it be. The sport hunter who is merely after a more impressive trophy also performs a valuable service: His or her money is plowed back into conservation efforts, and quite often it is the wealthy trophy hunter who donates large amounts of land to organizations like the Nature Conservancy. Even the poorest trophy hunter is helping, though, as his license fees and the excises taxes on his gun, ammunition, bows, arrows, etc., all get plowed back into state and federal wildlife agencies. 

So your attitude, while understandable from an emotional standpoint, is actually counterproductive from a standpoint of conservation.
 
2012-10-05 03:27:39 PM  

HeadLever: Sinister 161: I see the shooting of a bear (for whatever reason) as nothing to be celebrated and certainly not a dream come true.

That is fine. However, those that lable others that don't suscribe to your ideals just exemplifies the intolerace folks like you have.

Responding to the general concept of hunting apex predators, current wildlife management practices cannot work correctly unless all animals in the big game food chain can be managed. In many instances, that means hunting seasons for mountain lions, wolves, bears, etc.


But... but..., my uninformed, ill conceived, prejudicial opinions that let me feel superior and sleep at night...
 
2012-10-05 03:28:21 PM  

rickycal78: gshepnyc: REO-Weedwagon: Trophy hunters are sociopathic no matter their age.

This.

Citations? Credentials? Proof this was only a trophy hunt? List of sociopathic behavior the people in this article exhibit based on the article? Mind you I'm asking for actual sociopathic behavior, not what the average Farker with a GED in Psychology thinks is sociopathic behavior. (hint: hunting, whether they themselves use the meat or not isn't actual sociopathic behavior)


Dude, you are going to get a flat spot on your head if you keep beating it against that wall.
 
2012-10-05 03:32:03 PM  

rickycal78: HeadLever: Sinister 161: I see the shooting of a bear (for whatever reason) as nothing to be celebrated and certainly not a dream come true.

That is fine. However, those that lable others that don't suscribe to your ideals just exemplifies the intolerace folks like you have.

Responding to the general concept of hunting apex predators, current wildlife management practices cannot work correctly unless all animals in the big game food chain can be managed. In many instances, that means hunting seasons for mountain lions, wolves, bears, etc.

But... but..., my uninformed, ill conceived, prejudicial opinions that let me feel superior and sleep at night...


I will leave this here
 
2012-10-05 03:43:54 PM  

pottie: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pottie: I'm guessing that most of you are city folk.


Good for you kid!

"City folk" - does anyone say this other than wanna-be rednecks from the suburbs? I come from a "country" family, and love to camp, fish, hike, etc... and I love nothing more than seeing rare wildlife when I do so, and this dumb coont has taken away a part of my ability to do that.

There's nothing wrong with harvesting animals for food to survive. But hunting animals to satiate a reptilian desire to kill for the sake of killing is farking disgusting and we should attempt to evolve beyond that.

Go fark yourself and your "city folk" Larry the Cable Guy bullshiat.


My, my, Jones, did I strike a nerve? If you came from a country family, I would suppose you know where food comes from. It's not the neat little cellophane wrapped trays you buy in the store. Country folk know where food comes from and what it takes to get it. They also value wildlife as much as anyone, and by the way, black bears are not all that rare. They're thick as ticks here in Alaska. As for being a redneck from the suburbs, well you're a little off base on that one...

The bottom line is that people have hunted since the very beginning and have become a bit squeamish about it only relatively recently.


Sorry for the outburst. I've been stuck in a Franklin Covey class all day :(
 
2012-10-05 03:49:43 PM  
My opinion, yes an emotional one, is not actually against sport hunting if the animal is used properly afterwards (ie: food). What I object to in the case of this girl is the unbridled joy at the actual killing of the bear.
I would personally respect a sports hunter more if they showed reverence for their kill and not gloated over the dead corpse afterwards.
Like I said just my opinion and that doesn't make it right, just mine.
 
2012-10-05 03:54:38 PM  

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra: I will leave this here


Yep, truly sociopathic monsters.
 
2012-10-05 04:01:43 PM  

Sinister 161: What I object to in the case of this girl is the unbridled joy at the actual killing of the bear.


So it is not right to feel joy at the end of a sucessful hunt? To be happy that your mankmanship and stalking skills were good enough to make the shot? To feel good about getting to spend time outdoors? Not to mention filling the freezer.

Hunting has many enjoyable aspects to it that are not assoicated with the actual killing. In fact, I know of no one that hunts simply to make something alive become dead.
 
2012-10-05 04:14:59 PM  

HeadLever: Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra: I will leave this here

Yep, truly sociopathic monsters.


Exactly. Especially since they all are either disabled vets or children with a terminal/serious illness. Doubly so since all the meet was either donated to places like "Hunt for Hunger" which another farker mentioned, or the family has the meet processed for themselves.

Total Scociopathic MonstersTM
 
2012-10-05 04:20:14 PM  

HeadLever: Sinister 161: What I object to in the case of this girl is the unbridled joy at the actual killing of the bear.

So it is not right to feel joy at the end of a sucessful hunt? To be happy that your mankmanship and stalking skills were good enough to make the shot? To feel good about getting to spend time outdoors? Not to mention filling the freezer.

Hunting has many enjoyable aspects to it that are not assoicated with the actual killing. In fact, I know of no one that hunts simply to make something alive become dead.


Anyone who enjoys killing frightens me, whatever the reason they are doing it.
 
2012-10-05 04:22:49 PM  

HeadLever: Hunting has many enjoyable aspects to it that are not assoicated with the actual killing. In fact, I know of no one that hunts simply to make something alive become dead.


Indeed. It was Jose Ortega y Gasset who said "One does not hunt in order to kill, one kills in order to have hunted". If it were merely the killing that was the attraction, we'd just get jobs in abbatoirs and be deliriously happy for the rest of our lives.

Conversely, just stalking an animal to no real purpose isn't satisfying either. While the skills necessary to do so are fun in and of themselves, practically nobody is going to pay a fee to stalk an animal and just look at it.

It is the marriage of the chase and the potential of the kill that makes it attractive. And it's not even the certainty of a kill: I've gotten skunked before and not managed to kill a deer in a season, and I was almost as happy as if I had gotten one. Indeed, since I went primitive, I see more deer than I can kill, given the limited range of my equipment. I'm OK with that.

In fact, just this last weekend, I missed a nice doe. She was bedded down in an overgrown power line right-of-way, and all I could see was her twitching ear. I stalked quietly from downwind until I got to about 20 yards, comfortable shooting distance for my bow. She stood up, and I shot, and I was treated to watching my arrow fish-tail all over the place and pass about 6 inches in front of her chest. It had been raining on and off all day, and my natural feather fletchings had gotten soaked and were no longer capable of stabilizing the arrow.

But you know what? That's why it's called hunting instead of slaughtering. I learned a bit about the limitations of my equipment (I don't normally hunt in the rain). A doe got to live another day instead of ending up in my freezer and as a pair of leggings or a quiver and hunting bag. I got to participate in nature instead of merely observing it, and this time, nature won. And that's OK.
 
2012-10-05 04:24:02 PM  

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra: HeadLever: Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra: I will leave this here

Yep, truly sociopathic monsters.

Exactly. Especially since they all are either disabled vets or children with a terminal/serious illness. Doubly so since all the meet was either donated to places like "Hunt for Hunger" which another farker mentioned, or the family has the meet processed for themselves.

Total Scociopathic MonstersTM


I had mentioned it above. I have a buddy that usually likes to keep the first deer or first couple ducks or turkeys he gets and any others he gets with his extra tags he'll donate to Hunt for Hunger.
 
2012-10-05 04:36:33 PM  
thewareaglereader.files.wordpress.com

Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear, well, he eats you.
 
2012-10-05 04:40:17 PM  

RobSeace: [thewareaglereader.files.wordpress.com image 390x350]

Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear, well, he eats you fixes the cable.


Pet peeve
 
2012-10-05 04:40:26 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Franklin Covey


Cheers ;-)
 
2012-10-05 04:50:27 PM  

jmr61: LewDux: I don't think heart transplant will improve her

Nice. And I agree.

Too bad the little coont didn't die before she killed that magnificent creature of nature.


Your comment proves you aren't any better. Probably worse because you're wishing another human dead.
 
2012-10-05 04:53:25 PM  

The Muthaship: RobSeace: [thewareaglereader.files.wordpress.com image 390x350]

Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear, well, he eats you fixes the cable.

Pet peeve


Don't be fatuous, Mothaship...
 
2012-10-05 05:56:41 PM  

Sinister 161: HeadLever: Sinister 161: What I object to in the case of this girl is the unbridled joy at the actual killing of the bear.

So it is not right to feel joy at the end of a sucessful hunt? To be happy that your mankmanship and stalking skills were good enough to make the shot? To feel good about getting to spend time outdoors? Not to mention filling the freezer.

Hunting has many enjoyable aspects to it that are not assoicated with the actual killing. In fact, I know of no one that hunts simply to make something alive become dead.

Anyone who enjoys killing frightens me, whatever the reason they are doing it.


Congratulations, you are the biggest pussy I've run across in quite some time.
 
2012-10-05 06:09:39 PM  

rickycal78: What kind of drugs are you on? How does saying that you are ignorant of hunters in general equate to me saying that all hunters are the same? What are you, some kind of politician or lawyer? Because that's some twisted ass logic you've got there.


I said that I doubted that these people were going to eat that bear. That refers to these specific people.

In response to that you made a general statement about hunters implying that these specific people were like the vast majority of hunters, who obviously eat everything they kill.

You implied that all hunters hunted for the same noble reasons and none hunt for the mere love of killing.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Hate to break it to you but not enough fur barers are killed in the US. Skunks,possums and raccoons are to abundant and need controlled better. Rabies and canine distemper are out of controll in their populations.


These people weren't doing it for population control. They just enjoyed the killing.
 
2012-10-05 06:15:49 PM  
If it wasn't for people like this girl who pay for, love, and actually spend time in the woods, there would be no natural habitat left.

All of you sick people who are expressing gladness that this girl might die soon, sitting in your air-conditioned rooms on top of massive sprawls of asphalt and concrete, are contributing far more to the death of our wildlife than his young hunter through your support of an economy that necessarily consumes a host of natural resources in an unsustainable model.

If you really care about our wild animals, and their natural habitat, GO OUT THERE. Hike, camp, fish, spelunk, and yes hunt - because by keeping these lands valuable you will be helping to keep them alive.

It disgusts me to see people decry hunting and proclaim their love for animals when it is the hunters they denigrate that actually maintain and support those animals.
 
2012-10-05 06:28:19 PM  

jigger: rickycal78: What kind of drugs are you on? How does saying that you are ignorant of hunters in general equate to me saying that all hunters are the same? What are you, some kind of politician or lawyer? Because that's some twisted ass logic you've got there.

I said that I doubted that these people were going to eat that bear. That refers to these specific people.

In response to that you made a general statement about hunters implying that these specific people were like the vast majority of hunters, who obviously eat everything they kill.

You implied that all hunters hunted for the same noble reasons and none hunt for the mere love of killing.



Still not helping your case. You're still trying to put words in my mouth that are in fact contrary to other things I've said in the thread (the bolded section). You can keep farking that chicken if it helps you feel superior and get to sleep at night, but you're still wrong.

/never met a hunter who did it for love of killing.
//You seem to have a worse view of humanity than even I have.
 
2012-10-05 06:53:02 PM  
Well, at least she got to fulfill every American's dream. To kill something before she dies.
 
2012-10-05 06:54:04 PM  

rickycal78: Still not helping your case. You're still trying to put words in my mouth that are in fact contrary to other things I've said in the thread (the bolded section). You can keep farking that chicken if it helps you feel superior and get to sleep at night, but you're still wrong.

/never met a hunter who did it for love of killing.
//You seem to have a worse view of humanity than even I have.


What I said: "I doubt they ate that bear."

What you said: "You don't understand hunters."

Don't you think your statement implies that no hunter would kill something without eating it?

And I've met people who kill things just to kill them. You've honestly never met people like this?
 
2012-10-05 07:21:08 PM  

jigger: What I said: "I doubt they ate that bear."

What you said: "You don't understand hunters."

Don't you think your statement implies that no hunter would kill something without eating it?



No, and if you'd actually read through the thread instead of focusing on this particular conversation between you and myself you'd know why.

jigger: And I've met people who kill things just to kill them. You've honestly never met people like this?


People who kill insects just to kill them sure, but never anyone who hunted just to kill. There's a variety of reasons they have, most have been espoused in previous posts by others, particularly by dittybopper, darmok, and headlever. But I've never met anyone who goes hunting solely "Because I want to kill critters."
 
2012-10-05 07:47:17 PM  

rickycal78: jigger: And I've met people who kill things just to kill them. You've honestly never met people like this?

People who kill insects just to kill them sure, but never anyone who hunted just to kill. There's a variety of reasons they have, most have been espoused in previous posts by others, particularly by dittybopper, darmok, and headlever. But I've never met anyone who goes hunting solely "Because I want to kill critters."


Indeed. If that were the case, I'd work in a slaughterhouse, not at a college.
 
2012-10-05 10:29:24 PM  

sendtodave: curriemaster: Seriously, why would you hunt animals you cant eat?

I still think that "if you eat it, then that's OK" is motivated reasoning. I don't see the distinction.

Most people that would even debate this crisis of conscious don't need to eat meat. They assuredly don't need to hunt for it. There is tofu at the supermarket.

But, eating meat makes people happy, at the expense of an animal's life. Not much different than sport killing. Dead animal, happy person. Animal exists to make person happy.

The animal doesn't go "Oh, you're killing me so that I can rot in your intestinal tract, instead of leaving my carcass to rot on the ground, so that's OK."

Is killing an animal for the pleasure of a tasty burger really less "sadistic?"


At least you're using the animal for more than a badge if you actually eat the meat and do something with the rest of it. Killing it for a quick thrill and a "ME SO AWESOME!!" moment is a pointless endeavor.
 
2012-10-05 11:32:24 PM  
SHAKE THAT BEAR
 
2012-10-06 04:45:23 AM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Sinister 161: HeadLever: Sinister 161: What I object to in the case of this girl is the unbridled joy at the actual killing of the bear.

So it is not right to feel joy at the end of a sucessful hunt? To be happy that your mankmanship and stalking skills were good enough to make the shot? To feel good about getting to spend time outdoors? Not to mention filling the freezer.

Hunting has many enjoyable aspects to it that are not assoicated with the actual killing. In fact, I know of no one that hunts simply to make something alive become dead.

Anyone who enjoys killing frightens me, whatever the reason they are doing it.

Congratulations, you are the biggest pussy I've run across in quite some time.


Thank you and probably true but I'll be the pussy who lives longer with the clearer conscious. People who enjoy killing sometimes get bored with animals and I dont want to meet anyone who's got to that stage. Hey if it's macho to be like that though, killing animals for fun then call me a pussy as long as you like.
 
2012-10-06 10:30:51 AM  

Sinister 161: People who enjoy killing sometimes get bored with animals and I dont want to meet anyone who's got to that stage.


Someone's been reading PeTA propaganda.
 
2012-10-06 11:12:06 AM  

dittybopper: Sinister 161: People who enjoy killing sometimes get bored with animals and I dont want to meet anyone who's got to that stage.

Someone's been reading PeTA propaganda.


I think some people are getting confused by the very true fact that serial killers often start off killing animals... However, they usually kill pets (their own or others), and they usually also cruelly torture them first... This is pretty widely removed from hunting, for sport or otherwise... I'm honestly not much of a fan of the type of person that hunts purely for the joy of killing something either, but it's stupid to claim they're just serial killers in waiting... Unless they're out there, ripping legs off live deer, and taking delight in their suffering, they're nothing more than humans being humans... We're animals, people, and killing is what we do... No, I don't like it very much either, but it's reality...
 
2012-10-06 11:23:18 AM  
Hey, I like bears as much as the next idiot tricked into anthropomorphizing animals, but even I cant think of a good reason to rain on this kids parade. Fish are ugly and stupid, and we snap their necks after we suffocate them a little. Wheres the outcry there? That's what I thought. That bear unwittingly gave its life to please a dying little kid, I'd call it a productive life for a bear.
 
2012-10-06 11:48:04 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: At least you're using the animal for more than a badge if you actually eat the meat and do something with the rest of it. Killing it for a quick thrill and a "ME SO AWESOME!!" moment is a pointless endeavor.


It's not for that one moment. It's for the entire experience, even if you don't manage to kill something. As I've pointed out numerous times, if we were just interested in killing things, we'd work in a slaughterhouse. It's the work that goes into making that kill that makes it worthwhile.

A person going after a trophy buck spends a lot of time scouting the woods, looking for sign of big bucks, planning his hunts down to intricate detail. I know a dedicated, dyed-in-the-wool trophy hunter. He spends a *LOT* of time planning his hunts, including using topographical maps and aerial photography to figure out the best places to find a buck with a large rack. Where possible, he plants food plots to encourage antler growth. He uses all the tricks in the book to get a trophy-sized deer close enough for a shot: Doe-in-rut lure, a pair of antlers from a deer he shot that wasn't quite "up to snuff" to be mounted for rattling, doe bleat call, and a grunt call. Not to mention scent blocking/absorbing clothing washed in special non-scented, non-UV brightening detergent.

He takes it seriously, and you know what? He passes on most shots because the deer in question isn't up to his standards. Would he bother to do all that work just to get a picture?

I'm different: I'll take a doe or a buck, no matter the size (but a trophy sized buck would be nice, of course), but I ramped up the difficulty by using primitive methods only. I probably put as much time into preparation as he does, but my time is spent doing things like building wooden arrows, and practicing with my bow (you need to shoot a *LOT* to be proficient with a bare wooden bow). For example, when you factor in all the preparation, including sharpening the broadhead, it probably takes about an hour's worth of work to build a single wooden arrow. I've got 9 "conventional" arrows built (5 with broadheads*, 2 blunts for small game, and 3 practice arrows with field points). I've also built up that primitive arrow, which I can't use for deer or bear, but I can use it for medium sized game like coyote, if I happen to get a shot at one. I spent probably an hour and a half on that one, when you include the time it took to knap the arrowhead out of obsidian. I've still got two bare shafts left out of the dozen I bought years ago. I've got over 10 hours in just making arrows, and I probably spend at least 3 hours a week just practicing, and I've been doing that for a couple months now, so that's an additional 24 hours at least, so I've got 34 hours into preparation, not including the time to do other stuff.

This is just to *PREPARE* for hunting.

People like Trophy Guy and myself take it seriously, and we stick to the highest ethical standards of "Fair Chase". We don't "cheat", because that denigrates what we do.

People who hunt strictly for the meat, however, tend to be less restrained by ethical standards. As an example of this, when I was growing up in the Adirondack Mountains I knew a poor family that actually depended on hunting for a significant part of their diet, simply because it was cheap. They regularly broke the letter of the law in getting their deer. They'd spotlight them at night, hunt over a salt lick, and while I can't necessarily verify it, I'm pretty sure they ended up with at least one more deer than they were legally entitled to every year, and I also think there were times when they'd take one out of season. It was widely known among the local hunters that this was happening, and even the local game wardens had their suspicions, but as long as Poor Family were reasonably discreet about it, they didn't bother them. Why should they? The family couldn't pay the fines, and putting either of the parents in jail would have meant the family would end up on the welfare rolls, costing the county more than the state would take in in fines.

Most hunters, though, are probably somewhere between these two extremes. That doesn't mean they don't put in their time and effort though.

I don't think you really understand how complex, and yet simple, the motivations of a hunter are. They are simple, in that hunting satisfies some base, reptilian part of the brain. It's predatory instinct, pure and simple. We all have it, to one degree or another. It's part of our ancestry, not just as Homo sapiens, and not just as primates, and not even as mammals: It goes deeper than that, reaching back to our earliest primitive reptilian ancestry. My son used to have a tree frog for a pet. When we'd drop crickets into his terrarium, I could *SEE* the base distillation of the hunting instinct in the actions of Kermit (what else are you going to name a frog?). I could recognize the motivation, and understand at some level what Kermit was "thinking". The frog and I shared a common experience.

At the same time, though, there are more complex things at work in the mind of Man, the hunter. It's not the simple "observe, orient, attack" loop used by primitive amphibians and reptiles. This is actually harder to effectively articulate, because it is so complex. There is the elation at a well placed shot, tempered with the sobering realization that you just ended a life. I'm not a great philosopher by any means, and entire books have been written on this subject alone (for instance, "Meditations on Hunting" by Jose Ortega y Gasset, and "An Archer's Inner Life: A Collection of Essays on the Wood Bow Along with a Dialectic on Hunting" by Dave Sigurslid to name just two). There is a lot going on in the mind of a hunter, and the problem is that for the most part, hunters, much like average people, tend not to be able to put into words their motivations. For some, it's because they haven't really thought to much about it. Hunting is just something they do. For others, they don't have the vocabulary or the necessary introspective personality. That doesn't mean their motivation is any less complex than mine or Trophy Guy, or even that of Poor Family, it's that they don't necessarily have to tools to recognize and communicate it.

And that, I think, is the root of the problem. You don't understand it, because it's a hard thing to effectively communicate, and because of that, it has to be experienced instead of just read for you to gain an appreciation for it.

I know a few people who have hunted, but do not anymore. No matter what the reason they stopped doing it, to the best of my knowledge, none of them denigrates people who continue to hunt, because they have an understanding of it, having experienced it. They may have decided it wasn't for them, but they know why others might chose to continue doing it.

Understand, though, that I've just barely scratched the surface with this wall of text.


*One of those was lost last weekend, so I've only got 4 currently
 
2012-10-06 11:52:08 AM  

RobSeace: dittybopper: Sinister 161: People who enjoy killing sometimes get bored with animals and I dont want to meet anyone who's got to that stage.

Someone's been reading PeTA propaganda.

I think some people are getting confused by the very true fact that serial killers often start off killing animals... However, they usually kill pets (their own or others), and they usually also cruelly torture them first... This is pretty widely removed from hunting, for sport or otherwise... I'm honestly not much of a fan of the type of person that hunts purely for the joy of killing something either, but it's stupid to claim they're just serial killers in waiting... Unless they're out there, ripping legs off live deer, and taking delight in their suffering, they're nothing more than humans being humans... We're animals, people, and killing is what we do... No, I don't like it very much either, but it's reality...


PeTA propaganda tends to conflate them, though.
 
2012-10-06 08:14:12 PM  
What a sick little b*tch.
 
2012-10-06 11:34:03 PM  

eyehate: What a sick little b*tch.


You have an appropriate Nom de Fark. You do indeed hate. Why is that? Why does this bother you? Who are you to judge? Certainly, I hope you are a strict vegan who doesn't wear leather, otherwise you are a hypocrite who pays others to kill things for you so you don't have to think about it.
 
2012-10-07 01:21:51 AM  

dittybopper: Keizer_Ghidorah: At least you're using the animal for more than a badge if you actually eat the meat and do something with the rest of it. Killing it for a quick thrill and a "ME SO AWESOME!!" moment is a pointless endeavor.

It's not for that one moment. It's for the entire experience, even if you don't manage to kill something. As I've pointed out numerous times, if we were just interested in killing things, we'd work in a slaughterhouse. It's the work that goes into making that kill that makes it worthwhile.

A person going after a trophy buck spends a lot of time scouting the woods, looking for sign of big bucks, planning his hunts down to intricate detail. I know a dedicated, dyed-in-the-wool trophy hunter. He spends a *LOT* of time planning his hunts, including using topographical maps and aerial photography to figure out the best places to find a buck with a large rack. Where possible, he plants food plots to encourage antler growth. He uses all the tricks in the book to get a trophy-sized deer close enough for a shot: Doe-in-rut lure, a pair of antlers from a deer he shot that wasn't quite "up to snuff" to be mounted for rattling, doe bleat call, and a grunt call. Not to mention scent blocking/absorbing clothing washed in special non-scented, non-UV brightening detergent.

He takes it seriously, and you know what? He passes on most shots because the deer in question isn't up to his standards. Would he bother to do all that work just to get a picture?

I'm different: I'll take a doe or a buck, no matter the size (but a trophy sized buck would be nice, of course), but I ramped up the difficulty by using primitive methods only. I probably put as much time into preparation as he does, but my time is spent doing things like building wooden arrows, and practicing with my bow (you need to shoot a *LOT* to be proficient with a bare wooden bow). For example, when you factor in all the preparation, including sharpening the broadhead, it probably takes a ...


That is an incredibly long winded attempt to justify killing something for sport.
 
2012-10-07 08:38:36 PM  

eyehate: dittybopper: Keizer_Ghidorah: At least you're using the animal for more than a badge if you actually eat the meat and do something with the rest of it. Killing it for a quick thrill and a "ME SO AWESOME!!" moment is a pointless endeavor.

It's not for that one moment. It's for the entire experience, even if you don't manage to kill something. As I've pointed out numerous times, if we were just interested in killing things, we'd work in a slaughterhouse. It's the work that goes into making that kill that makes it worthwhile.

A person going after a trophy buck spends a lot of time scouting the woods, looking for sign of big bucks, planning his hunts down to intricate detail. I know a dedicated, dyed-in-the-wool trophy hunter. He spends a *LOT* of time planning his hunts, including using topographical maps and aerial photography to figure out the best places to find a buck with a large rack. Where possible, he plants food plots to encourage antler growth. He uses all the tricks in the book to get a trophy-sized deer close enough for a shot: Doe-in-rut lure, a pair of antlers from a deer he shot that wasn't quite "up to snuff" to be mounted for rattling, doe bleat call, and a grunt call. Not to mention scent blocking/absorbing clothing washed in special non-scented, non-UV brightening detergent.

He takes it seriously, and you know what? He passes on most shots because the deer in question isn't up to his standards. Would he bother to do all that work just to get a picture?

I'm different: I'll take a doe or a buck, no matter the size (but a trophy sized buck would be nice, of course), but I ramped up the difficulty by using primitive methods only. I probably put as much time into preparation as he does, but my time is spent doing things like building wooden arrows, and practicing with my bow (you need to shoot a *LOT* to be proficient with a bare wooden bow). For example, when you factor in all the preparation, including sharpening the broadhead, it probably t ...

That is an incredibly long winded attempt to justify killing something for sport.



Especially since I said that I don't mind killing something if you use the body for more than an adrenaline rush or a decoration.
 
2012-10-08 10:09:55 AM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: protectyourlimbs: I understand why some people don't care that she killed the bear for fun, so those people should understand why i wont care when shes dead...

Why do you have so much hate for a child simply because she enjoys hunting with her family?? You seriously need to get off the internet, go outside and learn how to relate to other human beings.


Don't care and hate are two separate things, maybe more time on the internet will do you good...
 
2012-10-08 11:39:01 AM  

eyehate: That is an incredibly long winded attempt to justify killing something for sport.


Sometimes life can't be condensed down to a bumpersticker.
 
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