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(ESPN)   Charles Barkley: "I think LeBron James is better than Michael Jordan, he could beat him with one arm tied behind he back"   (espn.go.com) divider line 60
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2012-10-05 02:44:33 PM

Gunny Highway: Komplex: We are arguably in the greatest talent boom in the NBA ever. You can easily come up with 6 legitimate contenders for the title (Miami, Boston, LA, OKC, Clippers, SA). Another 4 teams who could reach the finals and not be a major upset (Philly, Dever, Indiana, Memphis). And another 4 teams who if things go right can also make the finals (Brooklyn, NY, Dallas & Minnesota).

Old guys dont want to hear that. They also wonder why guys dont play any defense. Werent games in the 70's like 134-123?

shiatty teams have never played and defense!


???????

Jordan didn't play in the NBA in the 70's.

And also in 2001 the illegal defense rule was eliminated in the NBA allowing teams to play zone defense, which helped to reduce scoring because before that defense was basically all man to man.
 
2012-10-05 02:51:51 PM

ongbok: Jordan didn't play in the NBA in the 70's.


Gunny Highway isn't one of those 'tards - he's making fun of 'em.

He did say "and" instead of "any" when making his point that sh*tty teams never played any defense, though. Good teams do, and (pretty much) always have. Idiots are the people that act as though there's no defense now.
 
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2012-10-05 02:59:26 PM

Komplex: hugram: If I'm an owner... or a coach... or another player for that matter... and I want to win titles, I would want Jordan on my team...

If I'm a player and I care about my stats first, I would want LeBron on my team since he would command double or triple team coverage on him and he is a good passer... Jordan was a good passer but I think LeBron is a better passer... and he is willing to give up the rock in tough situation, which it has actually hurt him and his team at times.

Bottom line... I would prefer Jordan on my team... Heck, I would prefer Larry Bird and Magic as well before I choose to have LeBron on my team...

/ LeBron is a great, GREAT, GREAT player... but he is no Jordan...

How many titles did MJ win w/o Pippen?

MJ had the advantage of playing in an NBA that was devoid of top talent. Magic, Bird and Isiah were all lost to injuries.
Karl Malone & John Stockton always disappointed in the playoffs.
Seattle imploded by screwing over their best young player.
Larry Johnson f*cked up his back.
The New York Knicks were basketball's equivalent of the Holocaust. Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Shaq & Duncan were too young.

We are arguably in the greatest talent boom in the NBA ever. You can easily come up with 6 legitimate contenders for the title (Miami, Boston, LA, OKC, Clippers, SA). Another 4 teams who could reach the finals and not be a major upset (Philly, Dever, Indiana, Memphis). And another 4 teams who if things go right can also make the finals (Brooklyn, NY, Dallas & Minnesota).


Malone and Stockton disappointed in the playoffs because the Bulls beat them.

And Bird/Isiah were instrumental in keeping the Bulls down for 5-6 years. Jordan had 63 against the Celtics in 86. He was battling Bird and Isiah until 91'.
 
2012-10-05 03:54:43 PM

Komplex: How many titles did MJ win w/o Pippen?

MJ had the advantage of playing in an NBA that was devoid of top talent. Magic, Bird and Isiah were all lost to injuries.
Karl Malone & John Stockton always disappointed in the playoffs.
Seattle imploded by screwing over their best young player.
Larry Johnson f*cked up his back.
The New York Knicks were basketball's equivalent of the Holocaust. Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Shaq & Duncan were too young.

We are arguably in the greatest talent boom in the NBA ever. You can easily come up with 6 legitimate contenders for the title (Miami, Boston, LA, OKC, Clippers, SA). Another 4 teams who could reach the finals and not be a major upset (Philly, Dever, Indiana, Memphis). And another 4 teams who if things go right can also make the finals (Brooklyn, NY, Dallas & Minnesota).


why do you hate Chicago?
 
2012-10-05 04:05:04 PM

p the boiler: why do you hate Chicago?


Damn, I didn't even catch that on that post. I mean, a lot of the other stuff was kinda silly (like Malone/Stockton being disappointments...um, they lost to the Bulls twice)...but not having the Bulls as one of the contenders? Not even in the "not a major upset" or "if things go right"?

I mean, does Rose just never come back in this scenario?
 
2012-10-05 04:47:05 PM
At this exact moment? Probably, actually, depending on how out of practice Jordan is; it's been quite a while since he played.

With both of them in top form? That's more debatable. Way more debatable.
 
2012-10-05 05:05:49 PM
First: nice troll post.
Second: you fell for Barkley's trolling comment. Of course he said that - saying the opposite wouldn't have generated as much comment, which is why he said what he said.
Third: Jordan. If for no other reason than he fits the proven-successful model of a basketball team better than LeBron. The only way LeBron can control the game on O is by playing out of position (nobody puts a small forward at the point) which diminishes the value of everyone around him. Plus he's an unreliable set-shooter and a TERRIBLE free throw shooter. Come on, how can you claim that he's "the best" when he leaves so many points on the line?
 
2012-10-05 05:35:03 PM

cefm: First: nice troll post.
Second: you fell for Barkley's trolling comment. Of course he said that - saying the opposite wouldn't have generated as much comment, which is why he said what he said.
Third: Jordan. If for no other reason than he fits the proven-successful model of a basketball team better than LeBron. The only way LeBron can control the game on O is by playing out of position (nobody puts a small forward at the point) which diminishes the value of everyone around him. Plus he's an unreliable set-shooter and a TERRIBLE free throw shooter. Come on, how can you claim that he's "the best" when he leaves so many points on the line?


Who do you think did the majority of the ball handling for the Bulls?

Hint: It wasn't Kerr, Armstrong, or Harper

Based off their career FT %, MJ would average .5 more points a game. Let me know when when one can score .5 points when the game is on the line. We can ignore his higher assist rate and rebound rate while we're at it too.
 
2012-10-06 06:44:13 PM

cefm: Second: you fell for Barkley's trolling comment.


It's not trolling - he said LeBron CAN BE better than Jordan. No one who isn't an idiot thinks he can't.

redmid17: Who do you think did the majority of the ball handling for the Bulls?


Often, Scottie Pippen! Because he looked for teammates and because opposing SFs weren't going to try to press him and wear him out or force turnovers like opposing SGs would occasionally do to Jordan in his earlier days (because his vision would narrow and he'd start thinking he had to beat the guy to prove something, rather than look for his teammates.) But yes, Jordan took it up a lot, too.

cefm: LeBron can control the game on O is by playing out of position (nobody puts a small forward at the point) which diminishes the value of everyone around him. Plus he's an unreliable set-shooter and a TERRIBLE free throw shooter. Come on, how can you claim that he's "the best" when he leaves so many points on the line?


78% is not terrible. It's not great, but it's not terrible.

But here people are, comparing Jordan at his best when we haven't seen LeBron's full game yet. I do like when people talk about how it was harder back in the day because people were allowed to hand-check. Um, that's how Jordan was good at defense, he could steer guys with his hand-check. You don't think LeBron would benefit from being able to hand-check? You think there are a lot of SFs who could control LeBron? Playing by '90s rules would only help him.
 
2012-10-07 02:38:28 AM

IAmRight: cefm: Second: you fell for Barkley's trolling comment.

It's not trolling - he said LeBron CAN BE better than Jordan. No one who isn't an idiot thinks he can't.

redmid17: Who do you think did the majority of the ball handling for the Bulls?

Often, Scottie Pippen! Because he looked for teammates and because opposing SFs weren't going to try to press him and wear him out or force turnovers like opposing SGs would occasionally do to Jordan in his earlier days (because his vision would narrow and he'd start thinking he had to beat the guy to prove something, rather than look for his teammates.) But yes, Jordan took it up a lot, too.

cefm: LeBron can control the game on O is by playing out of position (nobody puts a small forward at the point) which diminishes the value of everyone around him. Plus he's an unreliable set-shooter and a TERRIBLE free throw shooter. Come on, how can you claim that he's "the best" when he leaves so many points on the line?

78% is not terrible. It's not great, but it's not terrible.

But here people are, comparing Jordan at his best when we haven't seen LeBron's full game yet. I do like when people talk about how it was harder back in the day because people were allowed to hand-check. Um, that's how Jordan was good at defense, he could steer guys with his hand-check. You don't think LeBron would benefit from being able to hand-check? You think there are a lot of SFs who could control LeBron? Playing by '90s rules would only help him.


A point forward? Surely you Jest!
 
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