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2012-10-05 01:53:12 AM
BARKLEY YOU FOOL! Now MJ is gonna challenge LeBron one-on-one, which will get his competitive juices flowing again and he'll attempt another comeback, which will only destroy his legacy. UGH!!!
 
2012-10-05 01:57:15 AM
Bigger and stronger? Yes. Faster? No.

A better shooter? He'll never be close? Defender? He can block a few more shots, otherwise will never be close.

Hmm... it's like LeBron is nothing but a more athletic Kobe without the luxury of playing with a legitimate NBA big-man.
 
2012-10-05 02:06:43 AM

puffy999: Defender? He can block a few more shots, otherwise will never be close.


No. Get out.
 
2012-10-05 02:22:56 AM
The words "Charles Barkley" and "I think" should never be used in the same sentence.
 
2012-10-05 02:24:44 AM
This is just silly. Both are great players. I have seen both men play under the lights, and thought both are amazing. LeBron and Jordan are the cream of elite players of their era. You may as well argue whether Superman is better than Batman.
 
2012-10-05 02:29:03 AM

Harry_Seldon: This is just silly. Both are great players. I have seen both men play under the lights, and thought both are amazing. LeBron and Jordan are the cream of elite players of their era. You may as well argue whether Superman is better than Batman.


You're spot on. And Jordan is Batman here. Meaning he ALWAYS WINS
 
2012-10-05 02:39:33 AM

bluorangefyre: Now MJ is gonna challenge LeBron one-on-one,


How will we be able to tell which player is which? Link
 
2012-10-05 02:57:21 AM
I hate when people do this shiat with players from different eras, and then to top it off with players that played different positions. Can't we all just agree that they both were two of the greatest basketball players to play? Haters be damned.
 
2012-10-05 03:37:15 AM
More talented, perhaps. Drive and resilience is another story.
 
2012-10-05 04:17:11 AM
Of course he can you idiot. Jordan is in his 50's. no 50 something year old man can beat a pro basketball player in a game of one-on-one
 
2012-10-05 04:43:02 AM
Tony Romo sucks.
 
2012-10-05 05:34:53 AM
How many rings does LeBron have, Mikey?
 
2012-10-05 05:46:06 AM
fastfxr
The words "Charles Barkley" and "I think" should never be used in the same sentence.

Exactly. Guy's a joke here in AZ. Get pulled over for DUI by Scottsdale pigs? Oh, I'm following a chick for a blowjob is NOT going to get you out of a ticket. Mark Grace (jerk of all time-D-Backs won the world series, this tool rode on top of a fire truck with his legs spread out like he was gods gift to manhood. I almost threw up) He just got a 2nd DUI. 1st one in AZ-tent city courtesy of sheriff joe. 2nd-FELON and JAIL as in you have a department of corrections number, and go to JAIL not county jail. Just got fired as d-Backs announcer. Couldn't happen to a better guy as far as I'm concerned...
 
2012-10-05 05:58:30 AM

jakepowers: Of course he can you idiot. Jordan is in his 50's. no 50 something year old man can beat a pro basketball player in a game of one-on-one


I see I'm not needed here. Carry on.
 
2012-10-05 07:23:53 AM

fastfxr: The words "Charles Barkley" and "I think" should never be used in the same sentence.


Really? You have an issue with one of the few people on television who give an honest, non-sugar coated opinion on things?

What is your issue with Chuck?
 
2012-10-05 07:46:34 AM
Tony Romo most certainly DOES suck.
 
2012-10-05 08:08:49 AM
Dunno who would win in a one on one game in their primes but it would be fun to watch. Kobe vs Jordan in their primes would be fun to watch as well.
Personally I'd pull for LeBron just to see Jordan lose. I wonder how he'd take it.
 
2012-10-05 08:13:16 AM

phxmke: Exactly. Guy's a joke here in AZ.


Sure, what with all those others Suns teams that made it to the NBA finals since, I can see why Sir Charles would be so reviled in AZ.
 
2012-10-05 08:18:51 AM

EngineerAU: bluorangefyre: Now MJ is gonna challenge LeBron one-on-one,

How will we be able to tell which player is which? Link


Wow, that brought back memories of playing that game on my Commodore 64 back in the mid 1980's. Many hours of fun were had.

IIRC, it took up around 13 seconds of cassette tape, although it took much longer than that for the datasette to load it.
 
2012-10-05 08:20:10 AM

phxmke: fastfxr
The words "Charles Barkley" and "I think" should never be used in the same sentence.

Exactly. Guy's a joke here in AZ. Get pulled over for DUI by Scottsdale pigs? Oh, I'm following a chick for a blowjob is NOT going to get you out of a ticket. Mark Grace (jerk of all time-D-Backs won the world series, this tool rode on top of a fire truck with his legs spread out like he was gods gift to manhood. I almost threw up) He just got a 2nd DUI. 1st one in AZ-tent city courtesy of sheriff joe. 2nd-FELON and JAIL as in you have a department of corrections number, and go to JAIL not county jail. Just got fired as d-Backs announcer. Couldn't happen to a better guy as far as I'm concerned...


In all of Arizona? Or just amongst you and a few of your friends?

Also, what the hell does Mark Grace have to do with any of this?
 
2012-10-05 08:31:30 AM

the lord god: Tony Romo sucks.


Tony Romo does suck...
 
2012-10-05 08:37:40 AM

RockChalkH1N1: the lord god: Tony Romo sucks.

Tony Romo does suck...


Like someone from Lawrence would understand what a competent QB looks like
 
2012-10-05 08:49:43 AM
Laughable.
 
2012-10-05 08:54:20 AM
At some point, isn't it like saying a 2012 mustang is better than a 1969 mustang? Stat wise, it's faster, better acceleration, handling, safety, mileage. Athletes today have access to better doctors, trainers and coaches. Jordan's college days are a third of a century ago.
 
2012-10-05 08:59:14 AM
I was all ready to jump into thhis, but then I realized I've never actually seen LeBron play. So carry on. Don't mind the old guy.
 
2012-10-05 09:07:51 AM
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Sir Charles 
 
2012-10-05 09:12:51 AM
If I'm an owner... or a coach... or another player for that matter... and I want to win titles, I would want Jordan on my team...

If I'm a player and I care about my stats first, I would want LeBron on my team since he would command double or triple team coverage on him and he is a good passer... Jordan was a good passer but I think LeBron is a better passer... and he is willing to give up the rock in tough situation, which it has actually hurt him and his team at times.

Bottom line... I would prefer Jordan on my team... Heck, I would prefer Larry Bird and Magic as well before I choose to have LeBron on my team...

/ LeBron is a great, GREAT, GREAT player... but he is no Jordan...
 
2012-10-05 09:31:10 AM
ITT: A bunch of people who grew up watching Jordan and are typically older than LeBron discuss intangible reasons why their childhood hero is better than someone they're older than.
 
2012-10-05 09:34:25 AM
...and Barkley's golf swing is better than Tigers...
 
2012-10-05 09:54:59 AM
At least Lebron never bet on basketball.
 
2012-10-05 09:57:02 AM

scottpilgrimreaper: You're spot on. And Jordan is Batman here. Meaning he ALWAYS WINS


Not always:

i50.tinypic.com
 
Slu
2012-10-05 10:38:00 AM
I like Barkley. So there.
 
2012-10-05 10:42:57 AM

Slu: I like Barkley. So there.


I am shocked to find out there are people do dont like him.
 
2012-10-05 10:44:03 AM

Gunny Highway: Also, what the hell does Mark Grace have to do with any of this?


I was wondering the exact same thing. I kept reading what he said expecting some sort of segue to Barkley but it never came.
 
2012-10-05 11:20:08 AM

hugram: If I'm an owner... or a coach... or another player for that matter... and I want to win titles, I would want Jordan on my team...

If I'm a player and I care about my stats first, I would want LeBron on my team since he would command double or triple team coverage on him and he is a good passer... Jordan was a good passer but I think LeBron is a better passer... and he is willing to give up the rock in tough situation, which it has actually hurt him and his team at times.

Bottom line... I would prefer Jordan on my team... Heck, I would prefer Larry Bird and Magic as well before I choose to have LeBron on my team...

/ LeBron is a great, GREAT, GREAT player... but he is no Jordan...


How many titles did MJ win w/o Pippen?

MJ had the advantage of playing in an NBA that was devoid of top talent. Magic, Bird and Isiah were all lost to injuries.
Karl Malone & John Stockton always disappointed in the playoffs.
Seattle imploded by screwing over their best young player.
Larry Johnson f*cked up his back.
The New York Knicks were basketball's equivalent of the Holocaust. Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Shaq & Duncan were too young.

We are arguably in the greatest talent boom in the NBA ever. You can easily come up with 6 legitimate contenders for the title (Miami, Boston, LA, OKC, Clippers, SA). Another 4 teams who could reach the finals and not be a major upset (Philly, Dever, Indiana, Memphis). And another 4 teams who if things go right can also make the finals (Brooklyn, NY, Dallas & Minnesota).
 
2012-10-05 11:24:17 AM

Komplex: We are arguably in the greatest talent boom in the NBA ever. You can easily come up with 6 legitimate contenders for the title (Miami, Boston, LA, OKC, Clippers, SA). Another 4 teams who could reach the finals and not be a major upset (Philly, Dever, Indiana, Memphis). And another 4 teams who if things go right can also make the finals (Brooklyn, NY, Dallas & Minnesota).


Old guys dont want to hear that. They also wonder why guys dont play any defense. Werent games in the 70's like 134-123?

shiatty teams have never played and defense!
 
2012-10-05 11:25:25 AM

Komplex: hugram: If I'm an owner... or a coach... or another player for that matter... and I want to win titles, I would want Jordan on my team...

If I'm a player and I care about my stats first, I would want LeBron on my team since he would command double or triple team coverage on him and he is a good passer... Jordan was a good passer but I think LeBron is a better passer... and he is willing to give up the rock in tough situation, which it has actually hurt him and his team at times.

Bottom line... I would prefer Jordan on my team... Heck, I would prefer Larry Bird and Magic as well before I choose to have LeBron on my team...

/ LeBron is a great, GREAT, GREAT player... but he is no Jordan...

How many titles did MJ win w/o Pippen?

MJ had the advantage of playing in an NBA that was devoid of top talent. Magic, Bird and Isiah were all lost to injuries.
Karl Malone & John Stockton always disappointed in the playoffs.
Seattle imploded by screwing over their best young player.
Larry Johnson f*cked up his back.
The New York Knicks were basketball's equivalent of the Holocaust. Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Shaq & Duncan were too young.

We are arguably in the greatest talent boom in the NBA ever. You can easily come up with 6 legitimate contenders for the title (Miami, Boston, LA, OKC, Clippers, SA). Another 4 teams who could reach the finals and not be a major upset (Philly, Dever, Indiana, Memphis). And another 4 teams who if things go right can also make the finals (Brooklyn, NY, Dallas & Minnesota).


He also had the greatest coach of all time. Lebron has had Paul Silas, Mike Brown, and Eric Spoelstra. Lebron thrived DESPITE two of those coaches (Brown, Silas) and it's not very hard to make an argument for 3 of 3. Spoelstra isn't exactly COY material.
 
2012-10-05 11:27:02 AM

Harry_Seldon: This is just silly. Both are great players. I have seen both men play under the lights, and thought both are amazing. LeBron and Jordan are the cream of elite players of their era. You may as well argue whether Superman is better than Batman.


Which would be stupid because everyone knows the answer is Batman. (Superman vs Captain Marvel might have been a fairer fight)
 
2012-10-05 11:30:36 AM
Oddly, it totally depends on who has the away-field advantage re: Batman vs. Superman. In Gotham, there's no Kryptonite and Superman would annihilate Batman. In Metropolis, that sh*t seems to be all over the place and Batman would definitely plan for that.
 
2012-10-05 11:48:29 AM

Komplex: MJ had the advantage of playing in an NBA that was devoid of top talent. Magic, Bird and Isiah were all lost to injuries.
Karl Malone & John Stockton always disappointed in the playoffs.
Seattle imploded by screwing over their best young player.
Larry Johnson f*cked up his back.
The New York Knicks were basketball's equivalent of the Holocaust. Ugly, ugly, ugly.


Add:
Drazen Petrovic died before he hit his peak with the Nets.
 
2012-10-05 12:37:31 PM
jordan always wins because the sports writers of today all wanted to be like mike at some point in their lives. when jordan is 70 years old and the media hype around his sorry ass has died down lebron will be the greatest ever. rinse, repeat. the circle jerk keeps people occupied, i guess...
 
2012-10-05 12:48:19 PM
LeBron quit. MJ never did. Let's face it, there's really no game situation where you'd rahter have LeBron with the ball vs MJ.
 
2012-10-05 01:01:42 PM

HelloNeuman: LeBron quit. MJ never did.


Besides the time where he "retired" for a year and a half, right (1994-95)? How about 1999-2001?

Fun fact: had the Bulls not won the title in '90-'91, he was considering quitting the sport even then, because the criticism was getting to him. Imagine if he played in today's era with 10,000x the pressure and media coverage and criticism.
 
2012-10-05 01:09:02 PM

HelloNeuman: LeBron quit. MJ never did. Let's face it, there's really no game situation where you'd rahter have LeBron with the ball vs MJ.


When did LeBron quit?
Leaving an incompetent front office isn't quitting.
 
2012-10-05 01:14:07 PM

scottpilgrimreaper: Harry_Seldon: This is just silly. Both are great players. I have seen both men play under the lights, and thought both are amazing. LeBron and Jordan are the cream of elite players of their era. You may as well argue whether Superman is better than Batman.

You're spot on. And Jordan is Batman here. Meaning he ALWAYS WINS


I'm not at a computer right now, otherwise I'd post the motivational batman poster a Farker made for me. Oh well, here's the punchline:

Batman wins. Batman always wins. He could be lung cancer with a carton of cigarettes.
 
2012-10-05 01:32:41 PM
I like that Weight Watcher's commercial when those two "nobodies" tell CB that they have as many rings as he does. How is Barkley living on a legacy that he never even had?
 
2012-10-05 01:36:58 PM

hulk hogan meat shoes: I like that Weight Watcher's commercial when those two "nobodies" tell CB that they have as many rings as he does. How is Barkley living on a legacy that he never even had?


Barkley DOES have a couple of gold medals and some Emmys that they probably don't, however. Oh, and there's that whole Hall of Fame thing and being one of the top 20 players in the history of the sport. But yeah, that's not a legacy.

/also, you do get rings for winning conference championships in many leagues, including probably the NBA.
 
2012-10-05 01:43:07 PM

IAmRight: Barkley DOES have a couple of gold medals and some Emmys that they probably don't, however. Oh, and there's that whole Hall of Fame thing and being one of the top 20 players in the history of the sport. But yeah, that's not a legacy.

/also, you do get rings for winning conference championships in many leagues, including probably the NBA.



Touche.
 
2012-10-05 02:02:36 PM

HelloNeuman: LeBron quit.


That's hilarious.
 
2012-10-05 02:17:25 PM
Can you beat the champ?
I could beat him blindfolded!
what if he's not blindfolded?
I can still beat him!
 
2012-10-05 02:44:33 PM

Gunny Highway: Komplex: We are arguably in the greatest talent boom in the NBA ever. You can easily come up with 6 legitimate contenders for the title (Miami, Boston, LA, OKC, Clippers, SA). Another 4 teams who could reach the finals and not be a major upset (Philly, Dever, Indiana, Memphis). And another 4 teams who if things go right can also make the finals (Brooklyn, NY, Dallas & Minnesota).

Old guys dont want to hear that. They also wonder why guys dont play any defense. Werent games in the 70's like 134-123?

shiatty teams have never played and defense!


???????

Jordan didn't play in the NBA in the 70's.

And also in 2001 the illegal defense rule was eliminated in the NBA allowing teams to play zone defense, which helped to reduce scoring because before that defense was basically all man to man.
 
2012-10-05 02:51:51 PM

ongbok: Jordan didn't play in the NBA in the 70's.


Gunny Highway isn't one of those 'tards - he's making fun of 'em.

He did say "and" instead of "any" when making his point that sh*tty teams never played any defense, though. Good teams do, and (pretty much) always have. Idiots are the people that act as though there's no defense now.
 
rka
2012-10-05 02:59:26 PM

Komplex: hugram: If I'm an owner... or a coach... or another player for that matter... and I want to win titles, I would want Jordan on my team...

If I'm a player and I care about my stats first, I would want LeBron on my team since he would command double or triple team coverage on him and he is a good passer... Jordan was a good passer but I think LeBron is a better passer... and he is willing to give up the rock in tough situation, which it has actually hurt him and his team at times.

Bottom line... I would prefer Jordan on my team... Heck, I would prefer Larry Bird and Magic as well before I choose to have LeBron on my team...

/ LeBron is a great, GREAT, GREAT player... but he is no Jordan...

How many titles did MJ win w/o Pippen?

MJ had the advantage of playing in an NBA that was devoid of top talent. Magic, Bird and Isiah were all lost to injuries.
Karl Malone & John Stockton always disappointed in the playoffs.
Seattle imploded by screwing over their best young player.
Larry Johnson f*cked up his back.
The New York Knicks were basketball's equivalent of the Holocaust. Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Shaq & Duncan were too young.

We are arguably in the greatest talent boom in the NBA ever. You can easily come up with 6 legitimate contenders for the title (Miami, Boston, LA, OKC, Clippers, SA). Another 4 teams who could reach the finals and not be a major upset (Philly, Dever, Indiana, Memphis). And another 4 teams who if things go right can also make the finals (Brooklyn, NY, Dallas & Minnesota).


Malone and Stockton disappointed in the playoffs because the Bulls beat them.

And Bird/Isiah were instrumental in keeping the Bulls down for 5-6 years. Jordan had 63 against the Celtics in 86. He was battling Bird and Isiah until 91'.
 
2012-10-05 03:54:43 PM

Komplex: How many titles did MJ win w/o Pippen?

MJ had the advantage of playing in an NBA that was devoid of top talent. Magic, Bird and Isiah were all lost to injuries.
Karl Malone & John Stockton always disappointed in the playoffs.
Seattle imploded by screwing over their best young player.
Larry Johnson f*cked up his back.
The New York Knicks were basketball's equivalent of the Holocaust. Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Shaq & Duncan were too young.

We are arguably in the greatest talent boom in the NBA ever. You can easily come up with 6 legitimate contenders for the title (Miami, Boston, LA, OKC, Clippers, SA). Another 4 teams who could reach the finals and not be a major upset (Philly, Dever, Indiana, Memphis). And another 4 teams who if things go right can also make the finals (Brooklyn, NY, Dallas & Minnesota).


why do you hate Chicago?
 
2012-10-05 04:05:04 PM

p the boiler: why do you hate Chicago?


Damn, I didn't even catch that on that post. I mean, a lot of the other stuff was kinda silly (like Malone/Stockton being disappointments...um, they lost to the Bulls twice)...but not having the Bulls as one of the contenders? Not even in the "not a major upset" or "if things go right"?

I mean, does Rose just never come back in this scenario?
 
2012-10-05 04:47:05 PM
At this exact moment? Probably, actually, depending on how out of practice Jordan is; it's been quite a while since he played.

With both of them in top form? That's more debatable. Way more debatable.
 
2012-10-05 05:05:49 PM
First: nice troll post.
Second: you fell for Barkley's trolling comment. Of course he said that - saying the opposite wouldn't have generated as much comment, which is why he said what he said.
Third: Jordan. If for no other reason than he fits the proven-successful model of a basketball team better than LeBron. The only way LeBron can control the game on O is by playing out of position (nobody puts a small forward at the point) which diminishes the value of everyone around him. Plus he's an unreliable set-shooter and a TERRIBLE free throw shooter. Come on, how can you claim that he's "the best" when he leaves so many points on the line?
 
2012-10-05 05:35:03 PM

cefm: First: nice troll post.
Second: you fell for Barkley's trolling comment. Of course he said that - saying the opposite wouldn't have generated as much comment, which is why he said what he said.
Third: Jordan. If for no other reason than he fits the proven-successful model of a basketball team better than LeBron. The only way LeBron can control the game on O is by playing out of position (nobody puts a small forward at the point) which diminishes the value of everyone around him. Plus he's an unreliable set-shooter and a TERRIBLE free throw shooter. Come on, how can you claim that he's "the best" when he leaves so many points on the line?


Who do you think did the majority of the ball handling for the Bulls?

Hint: It wasn't Kerr, Armstrong, or Harper

Based off their career FT %, MJ would average .5 more points a game. Let me know when when one can score .5 points when the game is on the line. We can ignore his higher assist rate and rebound rate while we're at it too.
 
2012-10-06 06:44:13 PM

cefm: Second: you fell for Barkley's trolling comment.


It's not trolling - he said LeBron CAN BE better than Jordan. No one who isn't an idiot thinks he can't.

redmid17: Who do you think did the majority of the ball handling for the Bulls?


Often, Scottie Pippen! Because he looked for teammates and because opposing SFs weren't going to try to press him and wear him out or force turnovers like opposing SGs would occasionally do to Jordan in his earlier days (because his vision would narrow and he'd start thinking he had to beat the guy to prove something, rather than look for his teammates.) But yes, Jordan took it up a lot, too.

cefm: LeBron can control the game on O is by playing out of position (nobody puts a small forward at the point) which diminishes the value of everyone around him. Plus he's an unreliable set-shooter and a TERRIBLE free throw shooter. Come on, how can you claim that he's "the best" when he leaves so many points on the line?


78% is not terrible. It's not great, but it's not terrible.

But here people are, comparing Jordan at his best when we haven't seen LeBron's full game yet. I do like when people talk about how it was harder back in the day because people were allowed to hand-check. Um, that's how Jordan was good at defense, he could steer guys with his hand-check. You don't think LeBron would benefit from being able to hand-check? You think there are a lot of SFs who could control LeBron? Playing by '90s rules would only help him.
 
2012-10-07 02:38:28 AM

IAmRight: cefm: Second: you fell for Barkley's trolling comment.

It's not trolling - he said LeBron CAN BE better than Jordan. No one who isn't an idiot thinks he can't.

redmid17: Who do you think did the majority of the ball handling for the Bulls?

Often, Scottie Pippen! Because he looked for teammates and because opposing SFs weren't going to try to press him and wear him out or force turnovers like opposing SGs would occasionally do to Jordan in his earlier days (because his vision would narrow and he'd start thinking he had to beat the guy to prove something, rather than look for his teammates.) But yes, Jordan took it up a lot, too.

cefm: LeBron can control the game on O is by playing out of position (nobody puts a small forward at the point) which diminishes the value of everyone around him. Plus he's an unreliable set-shooter and a TERRIBLE free throw shooter. Come on, how can you claim that he's "the best" when he leaves so many points on the line?

78% is not terrible. It's not great, but it's not terrible.

But here people are, comparing Jordan at his best when we haven't seen LeBron's full game yet. I do like when people talk about how it was harder back in the day because people were allowed to hand-check. Um, that's how Jordan was good at defense, he could steer guys with his hand-check. You don't think LeBron would benefit from being able to hand-check? You think there are a lot of SFs who could control LeBron? Playing by '90s rules would only help him.


A point forward? Surely you Jest!
 
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