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(LA Times)   Texas cheerleaders fight for right to wave.... Bible-passage banners?   (latimes.com) divider line 37
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2012-10-05 06:46:14 AM
5 votes:
If the girls want to stand in the audience and wave there signs, have at it. I dont care, that's an individual expressing her beliefs.... BUT.. When its a school sponsored even and cheerleaders and waving the sign to the audience THAT is a violation of the law... If these cheerleaders waved signs quoting Buddha the crowd would go apeshiat... The law is not to protect the majority, its to protect the minority...
2012-10-05 06:15:15 AM
4 votes:
There are very few things that I find more obnoxious than religious US High School kids. Take all the attitude, rightitude, misdirectitude, stupititude that US teenagers bring to the table and mix it up with a sense of religiousitude and you get a horrible, horrible concoction.
2012-10-05 06:12:55 AM
4 votes:
As an atheist i say, let 'em wave their banners. It's not like its hurting anyone.

FTA: "District lawyers argue that the signs amount to government endorsement of religion."

LOL Whut? Is there a Federal Bureau of Handwritten Religious Signs who's giving them to cheerleaders?

Or are the Federal Cheerleaders?

Craziness
2012-10-05 05:42:44 AM
4 votes:
Guys, before the religious arguments ensue, who are these cheerleaders harming with this?

Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months before they get knocked up.

Besides, if a player passes through the Bible quote banner and ends up paralyzed later in the game, he'll learn a valuable lesson about the fairness of life.
2012-10-05 12:56:51 AM
4 votes:

God-is-a-Taco: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x730]


Nice. Like God has nothing better to do than intervene in high school football games.


Cheerleaders say their faith is not broken, in fact, they say it has only grown stronger in the wake of a ban on religious signs at football games.

If that's enough to break your faith I would suggest it was pretty weak to begin with.


"Students do not shed their constitutional rights when they walk through the school house door," he told the Los Angeles Times on Thursday. "If it's private speech, they can't restrain it."

Would beg to differ.

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2012-10-05 08:44:37 AM
3 votes:

profplump: Pinko_Commie: LOL Whut? Is there a Federal Bureau of Handwritten Religious Signs who's giving them to cheerleaders?

Or are the Federal Cheerleaders?

Are state and local governments now allowed to endorse a religion?


Excuse my ignorance, but how is a Cheerleading squad at all related to state and local government? It seems like it is a personal choice of these cheerleaders to want to use signs with bible quotations on them. So unless there is some sort of government mandate saying that they must display religious quotations I do not see how this is government endorsement of religion in any way.
2012-10-05 06:47:40 AM
3 votes:
I'm assuming if one of the cheerleaders was a Muslim, then no one would have a problem with her waving a large banner with passages from the Koran on it, right?

Yeah, I didn't think so.
2012-10-05 08:52:04 AM
2 votes:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So where is the violation?
2012-10-05 08:14:14 AM
2 votes:
As an atheist, I say meh... This is trivial crap for anyone to care about... How are a bunch of cheerleaders waving religious banners a government endorsement of religion? Especially when we've apparently all decided that our money having "In God we trust" written on it, and having "one nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance is not a government endorsement of religion... (And, no, those don't really bother me much, either...) Hell, I wouldn't even care if it were teachers and the principal waving the farking banners... As long as they aren't forcing everyone to do so against their will, who gives a shiat? The atheist kids will feel "uncomfortable" not fitting in? Give me a break... They better get used to it, because that's life as an atheist... If you want to fit in, pretend to believe the same bullshiat as the rest of the in-crowd... Don't worry, most of them don't really believe it either, they're just going along to fit in, too...

/Also: Worst. Cheerleader thread. EVER!
2012-10-05 06:44:42 AM
2 votes:
Matthew 6 5-8

For those people who aren't familiar with the passage (Most of the Bible Beaters you meet....)
5 "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

8 "Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.
2012-10-05 06:40:10 AM
2 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.

...

Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?


The federal Department of Education, which provides federal tax dollars to this school.

If they fund the school district with no public money, no one can say shiat about the signs.
2012-10-05 06:27:11 AM
2 votes:
Religious idiots

/fark you
//and your god
2012-10-05 05:53:18 AM
2 votes:

stoli n coke: Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months before they get knocked up.


You're assuming that "more Christian" is a good thing.

/you'll need to back that up
2012-10-05 04:12:35 PM
1 votes:

Rufus Lee King: My point is, despite all this foolishness, is that the girls can say whatever they want to on their banners.

It's none of your business, nor mine.

Seems quite simple enough.


Indeed, it is quite simple, up to the point that the non-Christian girl wants to join the squad. She's pretty, athletic, a talented dancer and gymnast, and would be perfect, except she doesn't want to hold a Jesus sign. Does she get ignored at tryouts? Is she excluded solely because she's not an evangelical? Because it's a public school, and thus a state-sponsored activity which should have no requirement for religious participation. I suppose if individual girls wanted to hold a Jesus sign, or perhaps two or three wanted to, that'd be fine, but I just can't see it being OK to require a girl to play along.

For that matter, making the whole football team run through a Jesus sign, that shiat just can't be right.

Here's the usual test for such things: Put some Koran verse up there and see how it flies. Have one Muslim kid on the squad and do some Mohammad thing for him, you know, to encourage and strengthen him. See how the rest of the club likes it.
2012-10-05 10:11:32 AM
1 votes:
need moar cheerleader pics in this thread.
2012-10-05 09:09:44 AM
1 votes:

Dr. Whoof: Joe Blowme: PallMall: Joe Blowme: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So where is the violation?

You passed right over it.

I am unfamilar with this new law congress passed? Can you give a link? I'd like to see how it was voted on and why Obama signed it.

Wow, you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?


Yes, i can actually read and belive in free speech... but its not stupid to claim congress passed a law about these cheerleaders? Nice
2012-10-05 09:06:42 AM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: miscreant: If the cheerleaders were fans sitting in the stands who brought their own home written signs to the game, there would be no problem. The problem is that as cheerleaders for the team, their actions can be viewed as endorsed by the school, and thus the government.

I don't see it as any different from a graduation speech where the student making the speech references their religion.

Of course, you probably object to that too.


If those cheerleaders want to get together away from the game, and scream GOD HATES TEH GHEY, or whatever else, that's perfectly fine with me. But at a football game, where the school, the football field, the cheerleader uniforms, the game itself is publicly-funded? Paint "Allahu Akhbar" on the goalposts, and then I'll accept your free speech bona fides. Otherwise, I tihnk you're limited in your unlimited support of free speech.
2012-10-05 09:04:27 AM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: I don't see it as any different from a graduation speech where the student making the speech references their religion.

Of course, you probably object to that too.


It's really less about what I'd object to, especially since I'm Canadian and we don't have the establishment clause, than what your courts would object to.

Schools tend to be in a tricky place down there. They don't want to be seen as endorsing religion, because that will get them sued, but they don't want to stifle free speech either.

The question would be, what if there is a cheerleader in there who is not Christian, or who doesn't feel comfortable making these kind of religious expressions in public. Is she then being pressured into religious activity she doesn't agree with to remain on the team? Will new recruits have to be willing to hold up religious signs to make the team? I suspect that a group of girls religious enough to go to court over this is unlikely to take too kindly to a teammate who didn't want to go along with it, and if the school allowed it, it's an implicit endorsement.
2012-10-05 09:02:22 AM
1 votes:

PallMall: Joe Blowme: I am unfamilar with this new law congress passed? Can you give a link? I'd like to see how it was voted on and why Obama signed it.

0/10.


I thought so
2012-10-05 08:59:17 AM
1 votes:

PallMall: Joe Blowme: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So where is the violation?

You passed right over it.


I am unfamilar with this new law congress passed? Can you give a link? I'd like to see how it was voted on and why Obama signed it.
2012-10-05 08:57:49 AM
1 votes:

Cheron: Joe Blowme: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So where is the violation?

Wow you come to a religion thread try twice and fail to troll. Not even a 0/10


Ill take that as you not being able to point out the violation.
2012-10-05 08:44:07 AM
1 votes:

Rufus Lee King: Good Gosh, pals & gals, I'm Jewish, and can still admire the teachings of Jesus. What exactly is the problem, here, other than being FARK members?


I don't want religion in my government or government in my religion. Also, these signs are insulting.

If they take off the uniforms, hold whatever sign you want. Wear the school's name on your chest, you have to follow the rules.
2012-10-05 08:39:45 AM
1 votes:
If churches had cheerleaders, I think more people would show up. No, a choir is not a cheerleader.
2012-10-05 08:37:38 AM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: You can't consider the historical context?

Should they run any slogan against all religious texts of all time to make sure they in no way reference religion?


No, that would also violate the establishment clause. The government is supposed to be silent with respect to religion.

If the cheerleaders were fans sitting in the stands who brought their own home written signs to the game, there would be no problem. The problem is that as cheerleaders for the team, their actions can be viewed as endorsed by the school, and thus the government.
2012-10-05 08:13:14 AM
1 votes:
When are these farking morons ever going to learn? A public HS football game is an officially sponsored school event conducted on public property. The courts have been unequivocal about this: Not no, but hell no!

If the cheerleaders want to talk about Jesus while they are blowing football players in the back seats of cars, that's their right. But keep both activities away from the school please. It really isn't hard. Making a public show of loving Jesus does not a better Christian make. In fact, Jesus spoke against public displays of piety.
2012-10-05 08:09:15 AM
1 votes:

stoli n coke: Guys, before the religious arguments ensue, who are these cheerleaders harming with this?


The rights of people who aren't members of their severe form of christianity.

The more you allow fundies to have rights, the more they use it as a way to deprive the rights of others.
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2012-10-05 07:09:16 AM
1 votes:
more waste of time.

There is one right that cheerleaders should always be fighting for: the right to wear skimpier clothing.
2012-10-05 06:59:06 AM
1 votes:

Rufus Lee King: Good Gosh, pals & gals, I'm Jewish, and can still admire the teachings of Jesus. What exactly is the problem, here, other than being FARK members?


I'd think Jewish people would be acutely aware of what happens when people start losing track of the difference between government and religion. But then, I'm not Jewish, so. . . .
2012-10-05 06:55:37 AM
1 votes:
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2012-10-05 06:52:02 AM
1 votes:

Kibbler: stoli n coke: Guys, before the religious arguments ensue, who are these cheerleaders harming with this?

Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months before they get knocked up.

Besides, if a player passes through the Bible quote banner and ends up paralyzed later in the game, he'll learn a valuable lesson about the fairness of life.

That's fine with me... so long as I can bring my own banner with biblical verses condemning whores and strumpets. Short-skirted girls waving biblical verses need to be educated.


...
No punishment?
2012-10-05 06:46:31 AM
1 votes:

slackux: david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.

...

Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?

The federal Department of Education, which provides federal tax dollars to this school.

If they fund the school district with no public money, no one can say shiat about the signs.


Shut down the Department of Education, save $5 billion per year, and get 5,000 cars off of 495. That's a whole lot of win there.
2012-10-05 06:31:55 AM
1 votes:

0Icky0: stoli n coke: Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months before they get knocked up.

You're assuming that "more Christian" is a good thing.

/you'll need to back that up


Well of course they'll back that shiat up. That's how the "more Christian" girls remain technical virgins.
2012-10-05 06:15:34 AM
1 votes:
Suggested passage:
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."
2012-10-05 06:15:27 AM
1 votes:
Cause God love nothing more on a Friday night that a good highschool football game...
2012-10-05 06:13:54 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: TomMalory: Wow. So, no comments yet on the name of the town? Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?

Yeah, sorry. We're not all 8th graders here.


Some of us are 6th graders and farts are still funny.

/I larfed.
2012-10-05 05:42:59 AM
1 votes:
As long as they're not telling anybody they're going to Hell, let them pimp their pom poms.
2012-10-05 04:25:24 AM
1 votes:
Wait, wait, a principal in Texas actually got things right? Excuse me, I'm feeling a bit faint...
 
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