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2012-10-05 12:56:51 AM

God-is-a-Taco: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x730]


Nice. Like God has nothing better to do than intervene in high school football games.


Cheerleaders say their faith is not broken, in fact, they say it has only grown stronger in the wake of a ban on religious signs at football games.

If that's enough to break your faith I would suggest it was pretty weak to begin with.


"Students do not shed their constitutional rights when they walk through the school house door," he told the Los Angeles Times on Thursday. "If it's private speech, they can't restrain it."

Would beg to differ.

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Morse v. Frederick
 
2012-10-05 01:53:30 AM
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2012-10-05 04:25:24 AM
Wait, wait, a principal in Texas actually got things right? Excuse me, I'm feeling a bit faint...
 
2012-10-05 05:42:44 AM
Guys, before the religious arguments ensue, who are these cheerleaders harming with this?

Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months before they get knocked up.

Besides, if a player passes through the Bible quote banner and ends up paralyzed later in the game, he'll learn a valuable lesson about the fairness of life.
 
2012-10-05 05:42:59 AM
As long as they're not telling anybody they're going to Hell, let them pimp their pom poms.
 
2012-10-05 05:53:18 AM

stoli n coke: Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months before they get knocked up.


You're assuming that "more Christian" is a good thing.

/you'll need to back that up
 
2012-10-05 05:56:50 AM
God loves bloomers and halter tops.
 
2012-10-05 05:57:35 AM
Yay invisible people!
 
2012-10-05 05:59:07 AM

fusillade762: God-is-a-Taco: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x730]

Nice. Like God has nothing better to do than intervene in high school football games.


Cheerleaders say their faith is not broken, in fact, they say it has only grown stronger in the wake of a ban on religious signs at football games.

If that's enough to break your faith I would suggest it was pretty weak to begin with.


"Students do not shed their constitutional rights when they walk through the school house door," he told the Los Angeles Times on Thursday. "If it's private speech, they can't restrain it."

Would beg to differ.

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Morse v. Frederick


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Hell, those people weren't even in school, according to that ruling their rights stop if they could have been in school.
 
2012-10-05 05:59:33 AM
Wow. So, no comments yet on the name of the town? Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?
 
2012-10-05 06:01:09 AM

TomMalory: Wow. So, no comments yet on the name of the town? Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?


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I had to do a GMS to verify that it was real.
 
2012-10-05 06:05:51 AM

TomMalory: Wow. So, no comments yet on the name of the town? Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?


Yeah, sorry. We're not all 8th graders here.
 
2012-10-05 06:08:35 AM

Rufus Lee King: Proverbs 26: 6:

He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool, cutteth off the feet, and drinkeith damage.


1 Samuel 25:22
So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
 
2012-10-05 06:09:35 AM

stoli n coke:
Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months minutes before they get knocked up.


FTFY
 
2012-10-05 06:10:38 AM

TomMalory: Wow. So, no comments yet on the name of the town? Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?


Just like it's spelled...
 
2012-10-05 06:11:16 AM

Rufus Lee King: Rufus Lee King: Proverbs 26: 6:

He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool, cutteth off the feet, and drinkeith damage.

"drinketh"

Easy to misspell the King James translation quotes.


drinkieth are what effeminate fellows order in barth and pubth.
 
2012-10-05 06:12:55 AM
As an atheist i say, let 'em wave their banners. It's not like its hurting anyone.

FTA: "District lawyers argue that the signs amount to government endorsement of religion."

LOL Whut? Is there a Federal Bureau of Handwritten Religious Signs who's giving them to cheerleaders?

Or are the Federal Cheerleaders?

Craziness
 
2012-10-05 06:13:54 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: TomMalory: Wow. So, no comments yet on the name of the town? Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?

Yeah, sorry. We're not all 8th graders here.


Some of us are 6th graders and farts are still funny.

/I larfed.
 
2012-10-05 06:14:48 AM
They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.
 
2012-10-05 06:15:15 AM
There are very few things that I find more obnoxious than religious US High School kids. Take all the attitude, rightitude, misdirectitude, stupititude that US teenagers bring to the table and mix it up with a sense of religiousitude and you get a horrible, horrible concoction.
 
2012-10-05 06:15:27 AM
Cause God love nothing more on a Friday night that a good highschool football game...
 
2012-10-05 06:15:34 AM
Suggested passage:
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."
 
2012-10-05 06:19:49 AM

Nick Nostril: They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.


...

Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?
 
2012-10-05 06:27:11 AM
Religious idiots

/fark you
//and your god
 
2012-10-05 06:29:28 AM

TomMalory: Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?


Zshou-un-huntz-isch.

It's Karazakastanian.
 
2012-10-05 06:29:40 AM

david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.

...

Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?


FTA: "District lawyers argue that the signs amount to government endorsement of religion."
 
2012-10-05 06:31:54 AM

Nick Nostril: david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.

...

Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?

FTA: "District lawyers argue that the signs amount to government endorsement of religion."


...
Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?
 
2012-10-05 06:31:55 AM

0Icky0: stoli n coke: Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months before they get knocked up.

You're assuming that "more Christian" is a good thing.

/you'll need to back that up


Well of course they'll back that shiat up. That's how the "more Christian" girls remain technical virgins.
 
2012-10-05 06:35:15 AM

abhorrent1: Religious idiots

/fark you
//and your god


X 2

IDIOTS
 
2012-10-05 06:35:50 AM

Rufus Lee King:
"As a dog returneth to his vomit, so doth a fool returneth to his folly."

God damn it; I can't seem to avoid that, if you know what I mean.

It would apply too 99% of Fark folks.


Only too well.
 
2012-10-05 06:37:43 AM

EvilEgg: 0Icky0: stoli n coke: Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months before they get knocked up.

You're assuming that "more Christian" is a good thing.

/you'll need to back that up

Well of course they'll back that shiat up. That's how the "more Christian" girls remain technical virgins.


And God bless them too.
 
2012-10-05 06:40:10 AM

david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.

...

Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?


The federal Department of Education, which provides federal tax dollars to this school.

If they fund the school district with no public money, no one can say shiat about the signs.
 
2012-10-05 06:40:58 AM
What a bunch of Kountzes.
 
2012-10-05 06:44:42 AM
Matthew 6 5-8

For those people who aren't familiar with the passage (Most of the Bible Beaters you meet....)
5 "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

8 "Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.
 
2012-10-05 06:46:14 AM
If the girls want to stand in the audience and wave there signs, have at it. I dont care, that's an individual expressing her beliefs.... BUT.. When its a school sponsored even and cheerleaders and waving the sign to the audience THAT is a violation of the law... If these cheerleaders waved signs quoting Buddha the crowd would go apeshiat... The law is not to protect the majority, its to protect the minority...
 
2012-10-05 06:46:31 AM

slackux: david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.

...

Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?

The federal Department of Education, which provides federal tax dollars to this school.

If they fund the school district with no public money, no one can say shiat about the signs.


Shut down the Department of Education, save $5 billion per year, and get 5,000 cars off of 495. That's a whole lot of win there.
 
2012-10-05 06:47:40 AM
I'm assuming if one of the cheerleaders was a Muslim, then no one would have a problem with her waving a large banner with passages from the Koran on it, right?

Yeah, I didn't think so.
 
2012-10-05 06:50:20 AM

stoli n coke: Guys, before the religious arguments ensue, who are these cheerleaders harming with this?

Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months before they get knocked up.

Besides, if a player passes through the Bible quote banner and ends up paralyzed later in the game, he'll learn a valuable lesson about the fairness of life.


That's fine with me... so long as I can bring my own banner with biblical verses condemning whores and strumpets. Short-skirted girls waving biblical verses need to be educated.
 
2012-10-05 06:50:37 AM

hinten: There are very few things that I find more obnoxious than religious US High School kids. Take all the attitude, rightitude, misdirectitude, stupititude that US teenagers bring to the table and mix it up with a sense of religiousitude and you get a horrible, horrible concoction.


they are children. they are what their parents have molded them to be. often these families are products of generation after generation of blind faith pushed down the throat before they are even born. it is not until a child is grown and free of that grasp that they may have a chance to be exposed to other schools of thought. please be patient with young people. often their minds are not their own.
 
2012-10-05 06:51:00 AM

stoli n coke: Guys, before the religious arguments ensue, who are these cheerleaders harming with this?

Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months before they get knocked up.

Besides, if a player passes through the Bible quote banner and ends up paralyzed later in the game, he'll learn a valuable lesson about the fairness of life.


You kind of answered your own question there, sport.
 
2012-10-05 06:52:02 AM

Kibbler: stoli n coke: Guys, before the religious arguments ensue, who are these cheerleaders harming with this?

Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months before they get knocked up.

Besides, if a player passes through the Bible quote banner and ends up paralyzed later in the game, he'll learn a valuable lesson about the fairness of life.

That's fine with me... so long as I can bring my own banner with biblical verses condemning whores and strumpets. Short-skirted girls waving biblical verses need to be educated.


...
No punishment?
 
2012-10-05 06:53:35 AM
My question to the people in situations like this is always:

If it were Islamic messages on the banners would you still support their right to hold them at the games? If not STFU and GTFO.
 
2012-10-05 06:54:47 AM
Here's one you don't see much (Isaiah 36:12, KJV):

"But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?"
 
2012-10-05 06:55:37 AM
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2012-10-05 06:56:16 AM

Pinko_Commie: As an atheist i say, let 'em wave their banners. It's not like its hurting anyone.

FTA: "District lawyers argue that the signs amount to government endorsement of religion."

LOL Whut? Is there a Federal Bureau of Handwritten Religious Signs who's giving them to cheerleaders?

Or are the Federal Cheerleaders?

Craziness


Yes, but remember this is high school. These are the "leaders" of the school. It would make teenagers w/ different views than theirs to feel very uncomfortable & "alone".
 
2012-10-05 06:58:44 AM

MyNameIsMofuga: If it were Islamic messages on the banners would you still support their right to hold them at the games? If not STFU and GTFO.


Don't mock islamic peace messages or they will behead you and burn your house down.
 
2012-10-05 06:59:06 AM

Rufus Lee King: Good Gosh, pals & gals, I'm Jewish, and can still admire the teachings of Jesus. What exactly is the problem, here, other than being FARK members?


I'd think Jewish people would be acutely aware of what happens when people start losing track of the difference between government and religion. But then, I'm not Jewish, so. . . .
 
2012-10-05 07:00:26 AM
I wonder if they'd have the same right to banner Koran quotes?
 
2012-10-05 07:05:20 AM

retarded: I'm assuming if one of the cheerleaders was a Muslim, then no one would have a problem with her waving a large banner with passages from the Koran on it, right?

Yeah, I didn't think so.


Friday is the sabbath for many muslims. They'd probably have a bigger problem with people going to a football game instead of worship.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 07:09:16 AM
more waste of time.

There is one right that cheerleaders should always be fighting for: the right to wear skimpier clothing.
 
2012-10-05 07:11:22 AM

KrispyKritter: please be patient with young people. often their minds are not their own.


Truer words. I spent the first 15 years of my life thinking that the shower was self aware and deliberately turned scalding hot because I had impure thoughts.

/thanks mom
 
2012-10-05 07:12:05 AM

jammer24m: If the girls want to stand in the audience and wave there signs, have at it. I dont care, that's an individual expressing her beliefs.... BUT.. When its a school sponsored even and cheerleaders and waving the sign to the audience THAT is a violation of the law... If these cheerleaders waved signs quoting Buddha the crowd would go apeshiat... The law is not to protect the majority, its to protect the minority...


This.

maddogdelta: Matthew 6 5-8

For those people who aren't familiar with the passage (Most of the Bible Beaters you meet....)
5 "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

8 "Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.


I really want to bring that sign to some type of public prayer event.
 
2012-10-05 07:13:24 AM

stuhayes2010: I wonder if they'd have the same right to banner Koran quotes?


Here's what I want to know: if they used Koran quotes, translating "Allah" to "God," how many people would notice?
 
2012-10-05 07:15:18 AM

stuhayes2010: I wonder if they'd have the same right to banner Koran quotes?


If they wanted to banner Koran quotes... this wouldn't even be a story - what with all the muslin' religious tolerance and sand-people fright.
 
2012-10-05 07:17:22 AM

Jesus Burnt My Hotdog: stoli n coke:
Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months minutes before they get knocked up.


FTFY


Guys, are you forgetting about abstinence?
They don't even HAVE sex!

/Immaculate conception - It's how true christians procreate
 
2012-10-05 07:21:07 AM

Public Savant: /Immaculate conception contraception - It's how true christians procreate

 

Fixed.
 
2012-10-05 07:22:06 AM

Public Savant: J
Guys, are you forgetting about abstinence?
They don't even HAVE sex!

/Immaculate conception - It's how true christians procreate


atlantablackstar.com
 
2012-10-05 07:30:28 AM

Olympic Trolling Judge: stuhayes2010: I wonder if they'd have the same right to banner Koran quotes?

Here's what I want to know: if they used Koran quotes, translating "Allah" to "God," how many people would notice?


O% would notice.
 
2012-10-05 07:32:03 AM
What, no pics of what a Texas cheerleader might look like?

I am disappoint.
 
2012-10-05 07:33:21 AM

stuhayes2010: Olympic Trolling Judge: stuhayes2010: I wonder if they'd have the same right to banner Koran quotes?

Here's what I want to know: if they used Koran quotes, translating "Allah" to "God," how many people would notice?

O% would notice.


90% would vote in favor of banning expressions of Abrahamic religions from school-sponsored events.
 
2012-10-05 07:34:19 AM
There obviously witches, I say burn them.
 
2012-10-05 07:34:19 AM
"Students do not shed their constitutional rights when they walk through the school house door," he told the Los Angeles Times on Thursday. "If it's private speech, they can't restrain it."

LOL

Give up on the signs and pray for a better lawyer, you pious freaks.
 
2012-10-05 07:34:33 AM
"And thou shalt shop at the mall, in which the LORD is most pleased, for thou shalt save every day."
 
2012-10-05 07:34:44 AM

Pinko_Commie: LOL Whut? Is there a Federal Bureau of Handwritten Religious Signs who's giving them to cheerleaders?

Or are the Federal Cheerleaders?


Are state and local governments now allowed to endorse a religion?
 
2012-10-05 07:38:24 AM

stuhayes2010: I wonder if they'd have the same right to banner Koran quotes?


Someone should test that, along with some quotes from the more firery sections of the OT
 
2012-10-05 07:42:20 AM

Kibbler: "And thou shalt shop at the mall, in which the LORD is most pleased, for thou shalt save every day."


So saith the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Robin Sparkles.
 
2012-10-05 07:44:28 AM

stoli n coke: Guys, before the religious arguments ensue, who are these cheerleaders harming with this?


Those who don't share the particular beliefs being expressed are being forced to take part or risk offending , angering, those around them.

Here is a great editorial about public religion from World News Daily of all places Link
 
2012-10-05 07:44:34 AM
We shake our tits and wiggle our butts!
But don't you dare call us sluts!
RAH RAH RAH!
Kick them in the knee!
RAH RAH RASS!
Kick them in the other knee!
 
2012-10-05 07:48:42 AM
Two four six eight!
Who should run the modern state?
MeSSIah! MeSSIah!
 
2012-10-05 07:49:52 AM

maddogdelta: Matthew 6 5-8

For those people who aren't familiar with the passage (Most of the Bible Beaters you meet....)
5 "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

8 "Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.


Mark 16:15....

I'm not a believer, but there's a difference between praying and spreading the "good word".
 
2012-10-05 07:54:50 AM
Welcome to shiat-hole America. All praise it's f*cked up god.
 
2012-10-05 07:55:14 AM
I think everyone is missing the point here.
They are the Lions.
God hates the Lions - he never lets them win anything.
Signs and prayers do nothing to appease such a vengeful deity.

Proverbs 19:12
1 Peter 5:8
 
2012-10-05 07:55:21 AM

CeroX: Cause God love nothing more on a Friday night that a good highschool football game...


I thought God spent his Friday's going to Mosque.
 
2012-10-05 07:59:32 AM

hinten: There are very few things that I find more obnoxious than religious US High School kids. Take all the attitude, rightitude, misdirectitude, stupititude that US teenagers bring to the table and mix it up with a sense of religiousitude and you get a horrible, horrible concoction.


Ah, yes. . . . I remember them well from my own High School Days. They were the ones always criticizing the lack of "school spirit" in others, if memory serves.
 
2012-10-05 08:00:51 AM

Muta: CeroX: Cause God love nothing more on a Friday night that a good highschool football game...

I thought God spent his Friday's going to Mosque.


He's got no time for that shiat. What with all the suffering he has to inflict on the world as part of his "plan". It's a full time job.
 
2012-10-05 08:02:05 AM

All you folks arguing. There are perfectly acceptable bible verses for cheerleaders to quote.

examples:

"The joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.
This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes."


Or this popular one, from what the porn sites tell me:

" I lay yesternight with my father"


A whole bunch more can be found here, though there is some unpleasant stuff as well.

They should be a huge hit with the fans in the stands
 
2012-10-05 08:04:05 AM
There's not a single cheerleader picture in this thread. How can I understand this complex issue without visual aids?
 
2012-10-05 08:08:18 AM

Pinko_Commie: As an atheist i say, let 'em wave their banners. It's not like its hurting anyone.

FTA: "District lawyers argue that the signs amount to government endorsement of religion."

LOL Whut? Is there a Federal Bureau of Handwritten Religious Signs who's giving them to cheerleaders?

Or are the Federal Cheerleaders?

Craziness


people get butthurt over the slightest things these days

Does the article state why a Wisconsin based org became involved in this? did someone who was at a game reach out to them?

there are times where it makes sense to say hey, not here guys, then there are times like this where it seems petty
 
2012-10-05 08:09:15 AM

stoli n coke: Guys, before the religious arguments ensue, who are these cheerleaders harming with this?


The rights of people who aren't members of their severe form of christianity.

The more you allow fundies to have rights, the more they use it as a way to deprive the rights of others.
 
2012-10-05 08:09:48 AM
So ... shake it for jeebus, baby?
 
2012-10-05 08:13:14 AM
When are these farking morons ever going to learn? A public HS football game is an officially sponsored school event conducted on public property. The courts have been unequivocal about this: Not no, but hell no!

If the cheerleaders want to talk about Jesus while they are blowing football players in the back seats of cars, that's their right. But keep both activities away from the school please. It really isn't hard. Making a public show of loving Jesus does not a better Christian make. In fact, Jesus spoke against public displays of piety.
 
2012-10-05 08:14:14 AM
As an atheist, I say meh... This is trivial crap for anyone to care about... How are a bunch of cheerleaders waving religious banners a government endorsement of religion? Especially when we've apparently all decided that our money having "In God we trust" written on it, and having "one nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance is not a government endorsement of religion... (And, no, those don't really bother me much, either...) Hell, I wouldn't even care if it were teachers and the principal waving the farking banners... As long as they aren't forcing everyone to do so against their will, who gives a shiat? The atheist kids will feel "uncomfortable" not fitting in? Give me a break... They better get used to it, because that's life as an atheist... If you want to fit in, pretend to believe the same bullshiat as the rest of the in-crowd... Don't worry, most of them don't really believe it either, they're just going along to fit in, too...

/Also: Worst. Cheerleader thread. EVER!
 
2012-10-05 08:15:52 AM

Nick Nostril: They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.


You can't consider the historical context?

Should they run any slogan against all religious texts of all time to make sure they in no way reference religion?

I imagine there are some good victory-type slogans from many religions.

/went to a high school that taught the Bible as literature.
 
2012-10-05 08:26:57 AM

The Muthaship: maddogdelta: Matthew 6 5-8

For those people who aren't familiar with the passage (Most of the Bible Beaters you meet....)
5 "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

8 "Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.

Mark 16:15....

I'm not a believer, but there's a difference between praying and spreading the "good word".


You are absolutely right.

If they are "only praying", then they are gross hypocrites for praying in public.

If they are trying to spread the "good word" then they are using public resources to do it, which is in direct violation of the first amendment.

Either way, they are shiat eating assholes
 
2012-10-05 08:31:04 AM
[Matthew 6:5]
\o/
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"Wooo! Go team!"
 
2012-10-05 08:31:13 AM

maddogdelta: If they are trying to spread the "good word" then they are using public resources to do it, which is in direct violation of the first amendment.


I agree that this is inappropriate when done under the auspices of a public school.

/I just get tired of people misusing that verse
 
2012-10-05 08:34:37 AM
God hates pom poms!
 
2012-10-05 08:36:35 AM

david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.

...

Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?


Are you being pedantic or ignorant?
 
2012-10-05 08:37:38 AM

Happy Hours: You can't consider the historical context?

Should they run any slogan against all religious texts of all time to make sure they in no way reference religion?


No, that would also violate the establishment clause. The government is supposed to be silent with respect to religion.

If the cheerleaders were fans sitting in the stands who brought their own home written signs to the game, there would be no problem. The problem is that as cheerleaders for the team, their actions can be viewed as endorsed by the school, and thus the government.
 
2012-10-05 08:37:40 AM

david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.

...

Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?

FTA: "District lawyers argue that the signs amount to government endorsement of religion."

...
Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?


Oh, ignorant then.
 
2012-10-05 08:39:24 AM

cynicalbastard: Suggested passage:
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."


Well played.
 
2012-10-05 08:39:45 AM
If churches had cheerleaders, I think more people would show up. No, a choir is not a cheerleader.
 
2012-10-05 08:41:47 AM
"But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private"
 
2012-10-05 08:42:06 AM
www.mvpnation.com
"Our defense, it will not rest!
They'll lie all night betwixt our breasts!"
 
2012-10-05 08:42:13 AM
Free speech, how does it work?
 
2012-10-05 08:44:07 AM

Rufus Lee King: Good Gosh, pals & gals, I'm Jewish, and can still admire the teachings of Jesus. What exactly is the problem, here, other than being FARK members?


I don't want religion in my government or government in my religion. Also, these signs are insulting.

If they take off the uniforms, hold whatever sign you want. Wear the school's name on your chest, you have to follow the rules.
 
2012-10-05 08:44:37 AM

profplump: Pinko_Commie: LOL Whut? Is there a Federal Bureau of Handwritten Religious Signs who's giving them to cheerleaders?

Or are the Federal Cheerleaders?

Are state and local governments now allowed to endorse a religion?


Excuse my ignorance, but how is a Cheerleading squad at all related to state and local government? It seems like it is a personal choice of these cheerleaders to want to use signs with bible quotations on them. So unless there is some sort of government mandate saying that they must display religious quotations I do not see how this is government endorsement of religion in any way.
 
2012-10-05 08:44:42 AM

digitalrain: What, no pics of what a Texas cheerleader might look like?

I am disappoint.


Why, why, why, WHY would you do that!?
 
2012-10-05 08:46:27 AM
ytrewq.com
 
2012-10-05 08:46:31 AM
Mark 16:15
He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

And even though the book is rife with contradiction. This isn't one of them.
 
2012-10-05 08:48:11 AM
Ratshiat! Batshiat!
Dirty old twats!
Sixty-nine assholes tied in a knot!
Hooray... Lizard shiat!
fark!
 
2012-10-05 08:48:41 AM

miscreant: If the cheerleaders were fans sitting in the stands who brought their own home written signs to the game, there would be no problem. The problem is that as cheerleaders for the team, their actions can be viewed as endorsed by the school, and thus the government.


I don't see it as any different from a graduation speech where the student making the speech references their religion.

Of course, you probably object to that too.
 
2012-10-05 08:50:14 AM

stoli n coke: retarded: I'm assuming if one of the cheerleaders was a Muslim, then no one would have a problem with her waving a large banner with passages from the Koran on it, right?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Friday is the sabbath for many muslims. They'd probably have a bigger problem with people going to a football game instead of worship.


In the west they pretty much move it to Sat. About a third of my high school was Islamic, they all turned up for class on Friday. Also, like Christianity, a lot of them aren't extremists - it's just that the assholes tend to be louder.

Olympic Trolling Judge: stuhayes2010: I wonder if they'd have the same right to banner Koran quotes?

Here's what I want to know: if they used Koran quotes, translating "Allah" to "God," how many people would notice?


I bet you'll never guess what Arabic speaking Christans call god...
 
2012-10-05 08:52:04 AM
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So where is the violation?
 
2012-10-05 08:53:09 AM

LesterB: digitalrain: What, no pics of what a Texas cheerleader might look like?

I am disappoint.

Why, why, why, WHY would you do that!?


Just doing my part to wake / sober everybody up. You gotta admit...the HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!
reaction works better than coffee...
 
2012-10-05 08:55:00 AM

Joe Blowme: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So where is the violation?


Wow you come to a religion thread try twice and fail to troll. Not even a 0/10
 
2012-10-05 08:55:01 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: it's just that the assholes tend to be louder.


"Speak, oh toothless one! Impart on me thy divine wisdom!"

"pfffffffttsplplplph"
 
2012-10-05 08:56:27 AM
God can ONLY protect the players IF biblical passages are slopped ALL OVER some posters?

otherwise....

media.oregonlive.com 

/angry god take out angry on teen boy
 
2012-10-05 08:57:36 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

Worst. Cheerleaders. Evar.
 
2012-10-05 08:57:49 AM

Joe Blowme: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So where is the violation?


You passed right over it.
 
2012-10-05 08:57:49 AM

Cheron: Joe Blowme: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So where is the violation?

Wow you come to a religion thread try twice and fail to troll. Not even a 0/10


Ill take that as you not being able to point out the violation.
 
2012-10-05 08:57:53 AM

Joe Blowme: Free speech, how does it work?


Actually, you have a point. The first two clauses, the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause, enjoin only Congress:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

It does not directly prohibit state and local governments. But the courts have consistently ruled that state and local governments cannot have laws that are in direct opposition to those of the federal government (the old federalist vs confederation debate). The point of the first amendment isn't just to ensure freedom of religion but to insure the governments remain completely secular.

Personally, I have no problem with silent prayers in public schools. But this isn't enough for most fundamentalist Christians and they are intolerant of other faiths, which are almost universally excluded from public practice. Hence, no religion in schools.
 
2012-10-05 08:58:36 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Olympic Trolling Judge: stuhayes2010: I wonder if they'd have the same right to banner Koran quotes?

Here's what I want to know: if they used Koran quotes, translating "Allah" to "God," how many people would notice?

I bet you'll never guess what Arabic speaking Christans call god...


"Susan"?

Only reason I stipulated the Allah->God thing is because some translated works leave certain words untouched for... whatever reason. And if the Bible thumpers saw "herp derp Allah herp derp," they'd be tipped off that it wasn't from their Good Book. But if all they saw was "herp derp God herp derp," I wonder if they'd catch the deception. Hell, most people think "God helps those who help themselves" is in there, so it's at least worth a try.
 
2012-10-05 08:59:17 AM

PallMall: Joe Blowme: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So where is the violation?

You passed right over it.


I am unfamilar with this new law congress passed? Can you give a link? I'd like to see how it was voted on and why Obama signed it.
 
2012-10-05 09:01:15 AM

Joe Blowme: I am unfamilar with this new law congress passed? Can you give a link? I'd like to see how it was voted on and why Obama signed it.


0/10.
 
2012-10-05 09:02:22 AM

PallMall: Joe Blowme: I am unfamilar with this new law congress passed? Can you give a link? I'd like to see how it was voted on and why Obama signed it.

0/10.


I thought so
 
2012-10-05 09:03:45 AM

Pinko_Commie: Excuse my ignorance, but how is a Cheerleading squad at all related to state and local government


Good point. Public schools are, after all, established, run, and maintained by the School Fairies.
 
2012-10-05 09:04:17 AM

Joe Blowme: PallMall: Joe Blowme: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So where is the violation?

You passed right over it.

I am unfamilar with this new law congress passed? Can you give a link? I'd like to see how it was voted on and why Obama signed it.


Wow, you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?
 
2012-10-05 09:04:27 AM

Happy Hours: I don't see it as any different from a graduation speech where the student making the speech references their religion.

Of course, you probably object to that too.


It's really less about what I'd object to, especially since I'm Canadian and we don't have the establishment clause, than what your courts would object to.

Schools tend to be in a tricky place down there. They don't want to be seen as endorsing religion, because that will get them sued, but they don't want to stifle free speech either.

The question would be, what if there is a cheerleader in there who is not Christian, or who doesn't feel comfortable making these kind of religious expressions in public. Is she then being pressured into religious activity she doesn't agree with to remain on the team? Will new recruits have to be willing to hold up religious signs to make the team? I suspect that a group of girls religious enough to go to court over this is unlikely to take too kindly to a teammate who didn't want to go along with it, and if the school allowed it, it's an implicit endorsement.
 
2012-10-05 09:06:42 AM

Happy Hours: miscreant: If the cheerleaders were fans sitting in the stands who brought their own home written signs to the game, there would be no problem. The problem is that as cheerleaders for the team, their actions can be viewed as endorsed by the school, and thus the government.

I don't see it as any different from a graduation speech where the student making the speech references their religion.

Of course, you probably object to that too.


If those cheerleaders want to get together away from the game, and scream GOD HATES TEH GHEY, or whatever else, that's perfectly fine with me. But at a football game, where the school, the football field, the cheerleader uniforms, the game itself is publicly-funded? Paint "Allahu Akhbar" on the goalposts, and then I'll accept your free speech bona fides. Otherwise, I tihnk you're limited in your unlimited support of free speech.
 
2012-10-05 09:08:17 AM

markfara: Pinko_Commie: Excuse my ignorance, but how is a Cheerleading squad at all related to state and local government

Good point. Public schools are, after all, established, run, and maintained by the School Fairies.


Well it's not like people wearing uniforms in school colors, festooned with the school logo and possibly the school's name, who loudly call to a group of people to cheer for the school could in any way, shape or form be construed as representing said school. I mean, it's just ridiculous! Clearly they are simply private people who happened to show up and form human pyramids and shake pom poms. They in no way are funded by the school or have any sort of connection whatsoever.
 
2012-10-05 09:09:44 AM

Dr. Whoof: Joe Blowme: PallMall: Joe Blowme: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So where is the violation?

You passed right over it.

I am unfamilar with this new law congress passed? Can you give a link? I'd like to see how it was voted on and why Obama signed it.

Wow, you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?


Yes, i can actually read and belive in free speech... but its not stupid to claim congress passed a law about these cheerleaders? Nice
 
2012-10-05 09:11:04 AM
It's really farking simple.

* Cheerleaders represent the school.

* They also prepare those banners on school time.

They can't have religious themes.

"Coaches preach devotionals before games. We wanted to show our support for our boys," said cheerleader Meagan Tantillo, who started making the religious signs this year, inspired during summer cheer camp.

NO.

Would some Muslims please relocate to Kountze and get on the cheerleading team? Don't mention your religion in advance, because DUH.

I'm curious as to how strongly they would believe in religious expression by the cheerleaders then.
 
2012-10-05 09:14:05 AM

Joe Blowme: Yes, i can actually read and belive in free speech... but its not stupid to claim congress passed a law about these cheerleaders? Nice


You've read the first...how about that pesky 14th amendment?
 
2012-10-05 09:15:08 AM

Rufus Lee King: Well, I'm all for sexy cheerleaders, I guess,, but ...


I have to wonder if their uniforms say "Kountze" on them...
 
2012-10-05 09:16:24 AM
When I am Lord High Commissioner Of All Sports, only one Bible verse reference will be allowed on banners or eye black - Ezekiel 23:20.
 
2012-10-05 09:16:32 AM
Ironically, if they spent more time actually teaching/learning at that school there would be fewer religious people in that town.
 
2012-10-05 09:17:12 AM

Olympic Trolling Judge: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Olympic Trolling Judge: stuhayes2010: I wonder if they'd have the same right to banner Koran quotes?

Here's what I want to know: if they used Koran quotes, translating "Allah" to "God," how many people would notice?

I bet you'll never guess what Arabic speaking Christans call god...

"Susan"?

Only reason I stipulated the Allah->God thing is because some translated works leave certain words untouched for... whatever reason. And if the Bible thumpers saw "herp derp Allah herp derp," they'd be tipped off that it wasn't from their Good Book. But if all they saw was "herp derp God herp derp," I wonder if they'd catch the deception. Hell, most people think "God helps those who help themselves" is in there, so it's at least worth a try.


Another trolling possibility: print New Testament passages in Arabic...
 
2012-10-05 09:19:46 AM
yes, Jesus wants scantily clad girls waving their asses in His name.
 
2012-10-05 09:24:37 AM
Kountze High School cheerleader Kieara Moffett was the first to testify Thursday, saying Scripture signs were meant to inspire everyone - not just Kountze players. She cried while on the stand, saying she felt her religion wasn't good enough when she was told she couldn't use the signs.

Link

Yes, because in rural East Texas, Christians are looked down upon. They're always discouraged from expressing their faith and are often ostracized for believing in Jesus.

Kountze has about 2,000 residents. How many Christian churches are there in that little town?

Link
 
2012-10-05 09:24:53 AM

Egalitarian: yes, Jesus wants scantily clad girls waving their asses in His name.


All the inconvenient stuff in the bible about modesty, women as property, genocide and food preparation are just artifacts from a culture living in a very different world thousands of years ago and are not intended to apply today.

The parts that do apply today are all the ones that exactly support exactly how we want to operate in our community.
 
2012-10-05 09:27:21 AM
Those little harlots are putting His holy word on signs for heathens to run through?! As a Real American Christian, I'm offended, and they should all be dealt with...biblically.

/I find it sort of funny that Christians are perfectly okay with something that is in effect a symbolic destruction of scripture
//I bet if the cheerleaders were all individually ripping Bible pages up on the field that Kountze would implode.
 
2012-10-05 09:30:17 AM

Joe Blowme: Yes, i can actually read and belive in free speech...


When the govt endorses a religion (in this case by allowing cheerleaders at an official event wave religions passages) that violates the freedom of religion of everyoen else.

As for free speech, nobody is saying these kids can't wave relgigious signs, they are saying they can't do it while representing the school.


Joe Blowme: but its not stupid to claim congress passed a law about these cheerleaders?


It is stupid to ignore the 14th, and the relevent case law.

You would be one of the first to complain if some public school in Michigan was allowing cheerleaders to wave signs saying "there is no god before Allah".
 
2012-10-05 09:34:18 AM
I think the problem here specifically is that the things that happen on the field have at least an air of school sponsorship if not a presumption of such. School sponsorship of a religious sign in general likely offends First Amendment jurisprudence as it stands. The cheerleaders being clad in uniform probably also contributes here.

It is fairly illustrative that there would
be no case against such signs if spectators brought them and held them in the stands.
 
2012-10-05 09:35:50 AM

Public Savant: Jesus Burnt My Hotdog: stoli n coke:
Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months minutes before they get knocked up.


FTFY

Guys, are you forgetting about abstinence?
They don't even HAVE sex!

/Immaculate conception - It's how true christians procreate


The Immaculate Conception is a dogma of the Catholic Church maintaining that from the moment when she was conceived the Blessed Virgin Mary was kept free of original sin and was filled with the sanctifying grace normally conferred during baptism.[2][3] It is one of the four dogmas in Roman Catholic Mariology. Mary is often called the Immaculata (the Immaculate One), particularly in artistic and cultural contexts.[4]

The Immaculate Conception should not be confused with the perpetual virginity of Mary or the virgin birth of Jesus; it refers to the conception of Mary by her mother, Saint Anne.
Immaculate Conception
 
2012-10-05 09:37:24 AM

TomMalory: Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?


Kountze Kinte
 
2012-10-05 09:39:39 AM

Repo Man: Public Savant: Jesus Burnt My Hotdog: stoli n coke:
Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months minutes before they get knocked up.


FTFY

Guys, are you forgetting about abstinence?
They don't even HAVE sex!

/Immaculate conception - It's how true christians procreate

The Immaculate Conception is a dogma of the Catholic Church maintaining that from the moment when she was conceived the Blessed Virgin Mary was kept free of original sin and was filled with the sanctifying grace normally conferred during baptism.[2][3] It is one of the four dogmas in Roman Catholic Mariology. Mary is often called the Immaculata (the Immaculate One), particularly in artistic and cultural contexts.[4]

The Immaculate Conception should not be confused with the perpetual virginity of Mary or the virgin birth of Jesus; it refers to the conception of Mary by her mother, Saint Anne.
Immaculate Conception


Perpetual virginity? Jesus had 4 brothers and several sisters, were they all the son of God?

// Silly catholics
 
2012-10-05 09:40:33 AM

PallMall: TomMalory: Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?

Kountze Kinte


Doesn't really roll off the tongue. Can we just call the town "Toby"?
 
2012-10-05 09:46:35 AM

Olympic Trolling Judge: PallMall: TomMalory: Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?

Kountze Kinte

Doesn't really roll off the tongue. Can we just call the town "Toby"?


Toby, TX

That works.
 
2012-10-05 09:48:22 AM

Theaetetus: [www.mvpnation.com image 850x637]


PRAISE JAYSUSS!!!!
 
2012-10-05 10:05:01 AM
Hey Christians, answer me this cause it has been years since I studied religions...
Isn't praying to god for things (money, football wins etc) kinda anti christian?
I thought the christian ideal (Jesus) was all about the value of salvation and living a holy life dedicated to god and the 10 commandments and specifically not about the value of things here on earth. AND it seems like glorifying people and their exploits (winning football games) kinda shines the light away from god too. The cheerleaders whole cause seems very unchristian to me.
 
2012-10-05 10:07:45 AM

Kibbler: Happy Hours: miscreant: If the cheerleaders were fans sitting in the stands who brought their own home written signs to the game, there would be no problem. The problem is that as cheerleaders for the team, their actions can be viewed as endorsed by the school, and thus the government.

I don't see it as any different from a graduation speech where the student making the speech references their religion.

Of course, you probably object to that too.

If those cheerleaders want to get together away from the game, and scream GOD HATES TEH GHEY, or whatever else, that's perfectly fine with me. But at a football game, where the school, the football field, the cheerleader uniforms, the game itself is publicly-funded? Paint "Allahu Akhbar" on the goalposts, and then I'll accept your free speech bona fides. Otherwise, I tihnk you're limited in your unlimited support of free speech.


I wouldn't object to any sort of historic or literary works being quoted by cheerleaders - yes, even if it came from the Koran or the Egyptian Book of the Dead or even the Jedi religion.

What if they had a sign that said "May the Force be with our football team"? Haven't some people seriously lobbied to get Jedi recognized as a religion?

I wouldn't even object if they wanted to rename their team mascot "The Flying Spaghetti Monsters".
 
2012-10-05 10:07:58 AM
Somehow, i don't think anyone will be looking at the banners
 
2012-10-05 10:08:04 AM

Rufus Lee King: HeartlineTwist: The cheerleaders being clad in uniform probably also contributes here.

Sounds sexy, but not relevant.

People are entitled to free thought.

Your opinions are only your opinions.


It contributes to the argument that this is school sponsored. If someone dashed onto the field and yelled "Allah be praised," I doubt anyone would consider that to be school-sponsored, and there wouldn't be a good faith argument for doing so given all of the circumstances. The location of the speech in conjunction with the context of the event (football field during a football game) is a more persuasive argument or factor, but the uniforms/who is doing it (cheerleaders) give it more of an appearance of school-sponsored action. At worst, it's a neutral non-issue.

When cheerleaders in uniform are holding these signs as part of the pre-game on the field when uniformed team members run through these signs, the argument for those actions being explicitly or implicitly sponsored and endorsed by the school is far stronger. If the school is sponsoring or endorsing those actions, they likely run into Establishment Clause issues via the 1st and 14th Amendments.
 
2012-10-05 10:08:29 AM

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Hey Christians, answer me this cause it has been years since I studied religions...
Isn't praying to god for things (money, football wins etc) kinda anti christian?
I thought the christian ideal (Jesus) was all about the value of salvation and living a holy life dedicated to god and the 10 commandments and specifically not about the value of things here on earth. AND it seems like glorifying people and their exploits (winning football games) kinda shines the light away from god too. The cheerleaders whole cause seems very unchristian to me.


The christian god only accepts/answers prayers from housewives when they are in need of a good parking space.

All other prayers are automatically sent to his junk mail folder.
 
2012-10-05 10:11:32 AM
need moar cheerleader pics in this thread.
 
2012-10-05 10:14:14 AM

stoli n coke: Guys, before the religious arguments ensue, who are these cheerleaders harming with this?

Just let them feel like their helping people be more Christian for the 15 months before they get knocked up.

Besides, if a player passes through the Bible quote banner and ends up paralyzed later in the game, he'll learn a valuable lesson about the fairness of life.


I guess it depends if you take stock in all the bible verses you read. For instance, Timothy says "women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety" which goes against what most people would consider typical cheerleader activity.

Then there is the wrongness of asking God to fix a football game. If it illegal for coaches and players, why is it legal to have God cheat?

So basically what you have is trying to be spiritual and ending up mocking Christianity by going against everything it says to be in the bible and making out that if you bribe God with adoration and respect, he will throw a game for you.
 
2012-10-05 10:22:16 AM

Leeds: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Hey Christians, answer me this cause it has been years since I studied religions...
Isn't praying to god for things (money, football wins etc) kinda anti christian?
I thought the christian ideal (Jesus) was all about the value of salvation and living a holy life dedicated to god and the 10 commandments and specifically not about the value of things here on earth. AND it seems like glorifying people and their exploits (winning football games) kinda shines the light away from god too. The cheerleaders whole cause seems very unchristian to me.

The christian god only accepts/answers prayers from housewives when they are in need of a good parking space.


CSB time. I used to work for a title company. We had a closing on a house where the contract was cash in hand, meaning the buyer was paying for it directly, no mortgage involved. The sellers showed up, happy that they didn't have all the extra crap that mortgages cost the seller, and eagerly awaited the buyers.

They showed up - a young couple in what was clearly "Sunday best" clothes (this was during the week, we weren't open on weekends). Along with them came a prayer circle of about a dozen people including a pastor in a black suit. That was weird, but strange stuff happens sometimes during closings...we'd seen people have priests bless the closing before...so we didn't think too much of it, just informed the folks they had to wait in the lobby while the couple went in the room for the closing. They promptly formed a circle in the lobby, heads down, and began quietly praying.

Our closer went in and was there for maybe ten minutes. She came out red in the face and came back to the back office where she promptly broke out laughing. The couple, it seemed, had no money at all. They and their prayer circle were literally praying for the money to appear. The sellers were livid, of course. I had to go in and show them to another closing room...one with a phone to call their lawyer. Needless to say, the house was not sold and after about an hour we told the couple and the prayer group to leave or we'd call the cops (our policy was you always waited at least an hour for money to show up for a closing - it was company rules).

That, my friends, is the power of prayer.
 
2012-10-05 10:22:21 AM
Such sluts hiding behind bible passages...

Oh, I'm thinking back to the preachers daughters I once knew. So hot, but seriously starfish. It's like they thought "If I'm having sex it must be good." Leads to the point that more average girls are more active in bed, more likely to get into things.
 
2012-10-05 10:27:25 AM
Just terminate the cheerleading program. Problem solved.
 
2012-10-05 10:28:06 AM

Gimmick: Just terminate the cheerleading program. Problem solved.


Abort it? This late in the fall term?
 
2012-10-05 10:31:36 AM

Dr. Whoof: Leeds: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Hey Christians, answer me this cause it has been years since I studied religions...
The couple, it seemed, had no money at all. They and their prayer circle were literally praying for the money to appear.


WhatisthatIdon'teven.jpg

How is it that your aren't in jail for not having these folks locked for being a danger to themselves. Surely someone who has that big of a misunderstanding about reality is a danger to themselves and others. That story is so preposterous as to seem completely unbelievable... except that I've met people that frkked up with religion.
 
2012-10-05 10:31:38 AM

Dr. Whoof: Joe Blowme: Yes, i can actually read and belive in free speech... but its not stupid to claim congress passed a law about these cheerleaders? Nice

You've read the first...how about that pesky 14th amendment?


Which part ?
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws
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Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
 
2012-10-05 10:33:37 AM
Kountze, about 85 miles north of Houston

If I lived in a hick town in East Texas then I'd be praying for some salvation too, but God helps those who help themselves. Get a bus ticket.
 
2012-10-05 10:34:29 AM

TomMalory: Wow. So, no comments yet on the name of the town? Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?



It is pronounced "Coon-ts"

I live about 45 min from there and this is all over the news here.

"HOLY farkING shiat KOUNTZE WAS ON GOOD MORNING AMERICA!"


/I hate this area.
 
2012-10-05 10:40:38 AM

jammer24m: If the girls want to stand in the audience and wave there signs, have at it. I dont care, that's an individual expressing her beliefs.... BUT.. When its a school sponsored even and cheerleaders and waving the sign to the audience THAT is a violation of the law... If these cheerleaders waved signs quoting Buddha the crowd would go apeshiat... The law is not to protect the majority, its to protect the minority...


Maybe it's an attempt at high art -- like P--- Christ. A bunch of immodestly clad teenage girls holding Bible verses right before a game where their male counterparts try to hurl each other to the floor.

It would be a bit like starting the Hunger Games with an invocation to the Prince of Peace.
 
2012-10-05 10:42:38 AM
What I found REALLY ironic about his whole "Kountze, god is our head coach, ra ra ra ra" thing is that not 2 days ago someone plowed into a Kountze school bus injuring several students.

Maybe they should have wrapped those banners around the buses.
 
2012-10-05 10:43:02 AM
All I saw in the headline was "Cheerleaders fight".
 
2012-10-05 10:43:22 AM

Rufus Lee King: How soon is Christian thought going to be illegal, BTW?

I'd be interested to know.


how can thought be illegal?
 
2012-10-05 10:50:07 AM

david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.

...

Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?

FTA: "District lawyers argue that the signs amount to government endorsement of religion."

...
Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?


Yeah, actually Indian schools and DODDS overseas schools for military brats. Thanks for playing, smartass.
 
2012-10-05 10:56:12 AM

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Dr. Whoof: Leeds: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Hey Christians, answer me this cause it has been years since I studied religions...
The couple, it seemed, had no money at all. They and their prayer circle were literally praying for the money to appear.

WhatisthatIdon'teven.jpg

How is it that your aren't in jail for not having these folks locked for being a danger to themselves. Surely someone who has that big of a misunderstanding about reality is a danger to themselves and others. That story is so preposterous as to seem completely unbelievable... except that I've met people that frkked up with religion.


Oh it's real. The sellers sued them, of course, over breach of contract. I have to wonder if the prayer circle showed up in court...you know, to pray for a favorable judgement.

We wanted to take pictures, but that wasn't allowed. It was bad enough that we had to have them there for an hour. The sellers were FURIOUS, and of course they blamed us too, but we had nothing to do with it. We were just ensuring clear title, and had no way of knowing the buyers were completely insane.

Other fun stories - the mortgage processor who wanted the signed documents BEFORE the actual signing, the seller who farted and cleared out the entire closing room, the soda can that "shot up and hit [the receptionist] in the crotch", and the closing that happened at the circus. Oh, and the gay guy who cost us $50,000 in his first week, was fired, and left a tub of vaseline in his cubicle...
 
2012-10-05 10:59:19 AM

Despair of the Cheese: AverageAmericanGuy: TomMalory: Wow. So, no comments yet on the name of the town? Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?

Yeah, sorry. We're not all 8th graders here.

Some of us are 6th graders and farts are still funny.

/I larfed.


Some of us are adults and still think farts are funny.
 
2012-10-05 11:00:27 AM

Joe Blowme: Dr. Whoof: Joe Blowme: Yes, i can actually read and belive in free speech... but its not stupid to claim congress passed a law about these cheerleaders? Nice

You've read the first...how about that pesky 14th amendment?

Which part ?
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws



That part, moron. Please go read this and this and this. Then go fark yourself.
 
2012-10-05 11:27:20 AM

retarded: I'm assuming if one of the cheerleaders was a Muslim, then no one would have a problem with her waving a large banner with passages from the Koran on it, right?


What would be funny is if the Muslim cheerleader used a Koran quote that was nice and friendly, but didn't attribute it or display any Arabic script, all of the dipshiat bible thumpers would think it's from the bible.
 
2012-10-05 11:43:10 AM

Theaetetus: [www.mvpnation.com image 850x637]
"Our defense, it will not rest!
They'll lie all night betwixt our breasts!"


A thread that starts with "Texas cheerleaders" and only one guy posts an appropriately tasty pic? Fark, what have you become?

/I'd follow up with my favorite Iggles-girl pic but I might get fired.
//Screw it, I don't care!
///As an Iggles fan, gotta say that the Cowboys suck worse than Duke ever did!
////But the cheerleaders are exempt from that opinion.
//Go Eagles, Fark the Cowboys!!

grumpygrampy.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-05 11:47:39 AM

Rufus Lee King: It's really weird, y'all.

The Islamic people fly planes into our towers, and now they are our heroes?

Texas high school girls, choosing to espouse Christianity, are now are enemies?


You religious people are pretty silly. From where I'm sitting Christians and Muslims are virtually identical- They both believe that an invisible creature whispered something in someone's ear thousands of years ago and they both use that to support their evil agendas of killing people who don't believe in invisible creatures.

So again, you fail.
 
2012-10-05 11:52:13 AM

retarded: I'm assuming if one of the cheerleaders was a Muslim, then no one would have a problem with her waving a large banner with passages from the Koran on it, right?

Yeah, I didn't think so.


I came here to say that. It would be super awesome if someone held up a sign reading,

"There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet."

Then we'd see the good folks of Bummfark, TX change their minds about "religious freedom and freedom of speech" right quick...
 
2012-10-05 12:24:13 PM

WhyteRaven74: Wait, wait, a principal in Texas actually got things right? Excuse me, I'm feeling a bit faint...


A principal in Texas understood that they would ultimately lose and be on the hook for the legal bills.
 
2012-10-05 12:31:08 PM
"we are getting the word of God out" - some blonde cheerleader
No, you are an attention whore.

Cheermom says "I've never met a more inspirational group of teenagers".
You dont get out much do you Cheermom?
 
2012-10-05 12:52:10 PM
be!

aggressive!
 
2012-10-05 01:02:22 PM
Is the spelling on the signs correct?
 
2012-10-05 01:18:13 PM

Loren: WhyteRaven74: Wait, wait, a principal in Texas actually got things right? Excuse me, I'm feeling a bit faint...

A principal in Texas understood that they would ultimately lose and be on the hook for the legal bills.


It was actually the superintendent of the district and now he is saying he regrets telling them they can't display them.

Link
 
2012-10-05 01:30:08 PM

jmr61: abhorrent1: Religious idiots

/fark you
//and your god

X 2

IDIOTS


aaaand there is your tollerant, open minded left. Freedom of speech as long as it's what I think. They're not bombing an embassy, they're holding up a sign. Relax.
 
2012-10-05 01:36:15 PM
Ya know, our state JUST had a court case last year where a cheerleader was told she HAD to cheer for the guy who raped her. They said as a cheerleader she is a representative of the school and did NOT have the right to remain silent when she was supposed to be cheering for her rapist.

These cheerleaders are also representatives of the school, and their school is saying no more bible verses. But since this is a Christian matter of Bible verses it makes it ok for them to defy what their school told them?

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Silsbee-cheerleader-wh o -wouldn-t-root-for-1363318.php
 
2012-10-05 02:34:31 PM

Metetron: aaaand there is your tollerant, open minded left.


I don't think adhorrent or jmr have their political leanings stated anywhere. Why do you think they are leftwing? Is it because you think the right wing have cornered the market on "tollerance"? lol And tollerance? Isn't that the weasel word conservatives have been using recently to deflect criticism of their bigotry?

Metetron: Freedom of speech


I don't think freedoms came up in either of there posts. Nor did government intervention in speech. Not sure where you're going with this.

Metetron: They're not bombing an embassy


Islamphobia? How "tollerant" of you.

Metetron: Relax

 

I do think their post were a little crass, but not as illogical or nonsensicalas yours.
 
2012-10-05 03:04:55 PM
Don't we have any CHURCH showing up to say this cheapens religion and is generally offensive?

Do you want Bible verses to be used in a Wal-Mart ad? 'Cause that's about the level of dignity in promoting your high school football team. Are you really saying you've got God's Will supporting you specifically because you've got superior righteousness?
 
2012-10-05 03:07:24 PM
I know it has been said but wow Fark a Friday cheerleader thread with only a couple of images.
 
2012-10-05 03:10:45 PM
Cheerleaders: yes, please!
Fundies: whoa there, no thanks. Never stick your dick in crazy.
 
2012-10-05 04:12:35 PM

Rufus Lee King: My point is, despite all this foolishness, is that the girls can say whatever they want to on their banners.

It's none of your business, nor mine.

Seems quite simple enough.


Indeed, it is quite simple, up to the point that the non-Christian girl wants to join the squad. She's pretty, athletic, a talented dancer and gymnast, and would be perfect, except she doesn't want to hold a Jesus sign. Does she get ignored at tryouts? Is she excluded solely because she's not an evangelical? Because it's a public school, and thus a state-sponsored activity which should have no requirement for religious participation. I suppose if individual girls wanted to hold a Jesus sign, or perhaps two or three wanted to, that'd be fine, but I just can't see it being OK to require a girl to play along.

For that matter, making the whole football team run through a Jesus sign, that shiat just can't be right.

Here's the usual test for such things: Put some Koran verse up there and see how it flies. Have one Muslim kid on the squad and do some Mohammad thing for him, you know, to encourage and strengthen him. See how the rest of the club likes it.
 
2012-10-05 04:16:03 PM

MishenNikara: Ya know, our state JUST had a court case last year where a cheerleader was told she HAD to cheer for the guy who raped her. They said as a cheerleader she is a representative of the school and did NOT have the right to remain silent when she was supposed to be cheering for her rapist.

These cheerleaders are also representatives of the school, and their school is saying no more bible verses. But since this is a Christian matter of Bible verses it makes it ok for them to defy what their school told them?

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Silsbee-cheerleader-wh o -wouldn-t-root-for-1363318.php


are you SETX?
 
2012-10-05 04:53:20 PM
The stupid redneck coonts can put whatever kind of Bronze Age nonsense they want on their signs and banners... just as soon as the school is fully privatized and no longer accepts any kind of financial or logistical support from the state.
 
2012-10-05 06:13:22 PM

Hollywood Cole: are you SETX?


Yeah, Beaumont specifically.
 
2012-10-05 08:26:59 PM

jammer24m: If the girls want to stand in the audience and wave there signs, have at it. I dont care, that's an individual expressing her beliefs.... BUT.. When its a school sponsored even and cheerleaders and waving the sign to the audience THAT is a violation of the law... If these cheerleaders waved signs quoting Buddha the crowd would go apeshiat... The law is not to protect the majority, its to protect the minority...


I completely agree. The problem is that public schools are funded by tax dollars. Thus they are an entity of the government. In America we have freedom from government sponsored religion. The school advocating this for any religion (or lack thereof) could be seen as an endorsement.

/conservative Christian
 
2012-10-05 08:28:41 PM

MishenNikara: Hollywood Cole: are you SETX?

Yeah, Beaumont specifically.


Silsbee myself, working in Lumberton. I'm quite familiar with this debate. I have argued supporting the school's decision and have been lambasted as if I had claimed Jesus didn't die for my sins.
 
2012-10-06 01:54:26 AM

MikeyistheDevil:

Silsbee myself, working in Lumberton. I'm quite familiar with this debate. I have argued supporting the school's decision and have been lambasted as if I had claimed Jesus didn't die for my sins.


I'm athiest and I don't even care how it turns out. I just know there is a pretty damn recent precedent that lawyers could use in the matter to win.
 
2012-10-06 06:55:02 PM
Never mind that Texas doesn't actually have the right to secede. Can we *force* them to?
 
2012-10-08 12:42:40 AM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Never mind that Texas doesn't actually have the right to secede. Can we *force* them to?


There's some people who claim that it would save the economy if we booted Texas out of the Union.
 
2012-10-08 04:07:51 AM

Pinko_Commie: Excuse my ignorance, but how is a Cheerleading squad at all related to state and local government?


They are explicitly representing the school. No one is stopping them from displaying whatever signs they like on their own time. But when they're representing the school -- a government agency -- they have to follow the rules that apply the the government. It's the same sort of rule we apply to literally everyone else who represents the government; city workers are free to practice whatever religion they like, but not on the job.

/ But you already knew that and were just trolling
// At least that's what I'm going to tell myself for my own sanity
 
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