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2012-10-05 10:28:06 AM  

Gimmick: Just terminate the cheerleading program. Problem solved.


Abort it? This late in the fall term?
 
2012-10-05 10:31:36 AM  

Dr. Whoof: Leeds: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Hey Christians, answer me this cause it has been years since I studied religions...
The couple, it seemed, had no money at all. They and their prayer circle were literally praying for the money to appear.


WhatisthatIdon'teven.jpg

How is it that your aren't in jail for not having these folks locked for being a danger to themselves. Surely someone who has that big of a misunderstanding about reality is a danger to themselves and others. That story is so preposterous as to seem completely unbelievable... except that I've met people that frkked up with religion.
 
2012-10-05 10:31:38 AM  

Dr. Whoof: Joe Blowme: Yes, i can actually read and belive in free speech... but its not stupid to claim congress passed a law about these cheerleaders? Nice

You've read the first...how about that pesky 14th amendment?


Which part ?
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws
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Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
 
2012-10-05 10:33:37 AM  
Kountze, about 85 miles north of Houston

If I lived in a hick town in East Texas then I'd be praying for some salvation too, but God helps those who help themselves. Get a bus ticket.
 
2012-10-05 10:34:29 AM  

TomMalory: Wow. So, no comments yet on the name of the town? Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?



It is pronounced "Coon-ts"

I live about 45 min from there and this is all over the news here.

"HOLY farkING shiat KOUNTZE WAS ON GOOD MORNING AMERICA!"


/I hate this area.
 
2012-10-05 10:40:38 AM  

jammer24m: If the girls want to stand in the audience and wave there signs, have at it. I dont care, that's an individual expressing her beliefs.... BUT.. When its a school sponsored even and cheerleaders and waving the sign to the audience THAT is a violation of the law... If these cheerleaders waved signs quoting Buddha the crowd would go apeshiat... The law is not to protect the majority, its to protect the minority...


Maybe it's an attempt at high art -- like P--- Christ. A bunch of immodestly clad teenage girls holding Bible verses right before a game where their male counterparts try to hurl each other to the floor.

It would be a bit like starting the Hunger Games with an invocation to the Prince of Peace.
 
2012-10-05 10:42:38 AM  
What I found REALLY ironic about his whole "Kountze, god is our head coach, ra ra ra ra" thing is that not 2 days ago someone plowed into a Kountze school bus injuring several students.

Maybe they should have wrapped those banners around the buses.
 
2012-10-05 10:43:02 AM  
All I saw in the headline was "Cheerleaders fight".
 
2012-10-05 10:43:22 AM  

Rufus Lee King: How soon is Christian thought going to be illegal, BTW?

I'd be interested to know.


how can thought be illegal?
 
2012-10-05 10:50:07 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: david_gaithersburg: Nick Nostril: They can't do that because that would be the US government establishing a national religion.

...

Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?

FTA: "District lawyers argue that the signs amount to government endorsement of religion."

...
Is there a Federal school system that the rest of us are not aware of?


Yeah, actually Indian schools and DODDS overseas schools for military brats. Thanks for playing, smartass.
 
2012-10-05 10:56:12 AM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Dr. Whoof: Leeds: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Hey Christians, answer me this cause it has been years since I studied religions...
The couple, it seemed, had no money at all. They and their prayer circle were literally praying for the money to appear.

WhatisthatIdon'teven.jpg

How is it that your aren't in jail for not having these folks locked for being a danger to themselves. Surely someone who has that big of a misunderstanding about reality is a danger to themselves and others. That story is so preposterous as to seem completely unbelievable... except that I've met people that frkked up with religion.


Oh it's real. The sellers sued them, of course, over breach of contract. I have to wonder if the prayer circle showed up in court...you know, to pray for a favorable judgement.

We wanted to take pictures, but that wasn't allowed. It was bad enough that we had to have them there for an hour. The sellers were FURIOUS, and of course they blamed us too, but we had nothing to do with it. We were just ensuring clear title, and had no way of knowing the buyers were completely insane.

Other fun stories - the mortgage processor who wanted the signed documents BEFORE the actual signing, the seller who farted and cleared out the entire closing room, the soda can that "shot up and hit [the receptionist] in the crotch", and the closing that happened at the circus. Oh, and the gay guy who cost us $50,000 in his first week, was fired, and left a tub of vaseline in his cubicle...
 
2012-10-05 10:59:19 AM  

Despair of the Cheese: AverageAmericanGuy: TomMalory: Wow. So, no comments yet on the name of the town? Kountze? How do you pronounce that, I wonder?

Yeah, sorry. We're not all 8th graders here.

Some of us are 6th graders and farts are still funny.

/I larfed.


Some of us are adults and still think farts are funny.
 
2012-10-05 11:00:27 AM  

Joe Blowme: Dr. Whoof: Joe Blowme: Yes, i can actually read and belive in free speech... but its not stupid to claim congress passed a law about these cheerleaders? Nice

You've read the first...how about that pesky 14th amendment?

Which part ?
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws



That part, moron. Please go read this and this and this. Then go fark yourself.
 
2012-10-05 11:27:20 AM  

retarded: I'm assuming if one of the cheerleaders was a Muslim, then no one would have a problem with her waving a large banner with passages from the Koran on it, right?


What would be funny is if the Muslim cheerleader used a Koran quote that was nice and friendly, but didn't attribute it or display any Arabic script, all of the dipshiat bible thumpers would think it's from the bible.
 
2012-10-05 11:43:10 AM  

Theaetetus: [www.mvpnation.com image 850x637]
"Our defense, it will not rest!
They'll lie all night betwixt our breasts!"


A thread that starts with "Texas cheerleaders" and only one guy posts an appropriately tasty pic? Fark, what have you become?

/I'd follow up with my favorite Iggles-girl pic but I might get fired.
//Screw it, I don't care!
///As an Iggles fan, gotta say that the Cowboys suck worse than Duke ever did!
////But the cheerleaders are exempt from that opinion.
//Go Eagles, Fark the Cowboys!!

grumpygrampy.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-05 11:47:39 AM  

Rufus Lee King: It's really weird, y'all.

The Islamic people fly planes into our towers, and now they are our heroes?

Texas high school girls, choosing to espouse Christianity, are now are enemies?


You religious people are pretty silly. From where I'm sitting Christians and Muslims are virtually identical- They both believe that an invisible creature whispered something in someone's ear thousands of years ago and they both use that to support their evil agendas of killing people who don't believe in invisible creatures.

So again, you fail.
 
2012-10-05 11:52:13 AM  

retarded: I'm assuming if one of the cheerleaders was a Muslim, then no one would have a problem with her waving a large banner with passages from the Koran on it, right?

Yeah, I didn't think so.


I came here to say that. It would be super awesome if someone held up a sign reading,

"There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet."

Then we'd see the good folks of Bummfark, TX change their minds about "religious freedom and freedom of speech" right quick...
 
2012-10-05 12:24:13 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Wait, wait, a principal in Texas actually got things right? Excuse me, I'm feeling a bit faint...


A principal in Texas understood that they would ultimately lose and be on the hook for the legal bills.
 
2012-10-05 12:31:08 PM  
"we are getting the word of God out" - some blonde cheerleader
No, you are an attention whore.

Cheermom says "I've never met a more inspirational group of teenagers".
You dont get out much do you Cheermom?
 
2012-10-05 12:52:10 PM  
be!

aggressive!
 
2012-10-05 01:02:22 PM  
Is the spelling on the signs correct?
 
2012-10-05 01:18:13 PM  

Loren: WhyteRaven74: Wait, wait, a principal in Texas actually got things right? Excuse me, I'm feeling a bit faint...

A principal in Texas understood that they would ultimately lose and be on the hook for the legal bills.


It was actually the superintendent of the district and now he is saying he regrets telling them they can't display them.

Link
 
2012-10-05 01:30:08 PM  

jmr61: abhorrent1: Religious idiots

/fark you
//and your god

X 2

IDIOTS


aaaand there is your tollerant, open minded left. Freedom of speech as long as it's what I think. They're not bombing an embassy, they're holding up a sign. Relax.
 
2012-10-05 01:36:15 PM  
Ya know, our state JUST had a court case last year where a cheerleader was told she HAD to cheer for the guy who raped her. They said as a cheerleader she is a representative of the school and did NOT have the right to remain silent when she was supposed to be cheering for her rapist.

These cheerleaders are also representatives of the school, and their school is saying no more bible verses. But since this is a Christian matter of Bible verses it makes it ok for them to defy what their school told them?

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Silsbee-cheerleader-wh o -wouldn-t-root-for-1363318.php
 
2012-10-05 02:34:31 PM  

Metetron: aaaand there is your tollerant, open minded left.


I don't think adhorrent or jmr have their political leanings stated anywhere. Why do you think they are leftwing? Is it because you think the right wing have cornered the market on "tollerance"? lol And tollerance? Isn't that the weasel word conservatives have been using recently to deflect criticism of their bigotry?

Metetron: Freedom of speech


I don't think freedoms came up in either of there posts. Nor did government intervention in speech. Not sure where you're going with this.

Metetron: They're not bombing an embassy


Islamphobia? How "tollerant" of you.

Metetron: Relax

 

I do think their post were a little crass, but not as illogical or nonsensicalas yours.
 
2012-10-05 03:04:55 PM  
Don't we have any CHURCH showing up to say this cheapens religion and is generally offensive?

Do you want Bible verses to be used in a Wal-Mart ad? 'Cause that's about the level of dignity in promoting your high school football team. Are you really saying you've got God's Will supporting you specifically because you've got superior righteousness?
 
2012-10-05 03:07:24 PM  
I know it has been said but wow Fark a Friday cheerleader thread with only a couple of images.
 
2012-10-05 03:10:45 PM  
Cheerleaders: yes, please!
Fundies: whoa there, no thanks. Never stick your dick in crazy.
 
2012-10-05 04:12:35 PM  

Rufus Lee King: My point is, despite all this foolishness, is that the girls can say whatever they want to on their banners.

It's none of your business, nor mine.

Seems quite simple enough.


Indeed, it is quite simple, up to the point that the non-Christian girl wants to join the squad. She's pretty, athletic, a talented dancer and gymnast, and would be perfect, except she doesn't want to hold a Jesus sign. Does she get ignored at tryouts? Is she excluded solely because she's not an evangelical? Because it's a public school, and thus a state-sponsored activity which should have no requirement for religious participation. I suppose if individual girls wanted to hold a Jesus sign, or perhaps two or three wanted to, that'd be fine, but I just can't see it being OK to require a girl to play along.

For that matter, making the whole football team run through a Jesus sign, that shiat just can't be right.

Here's the usual test for such things: Put some Koran verse up there and see how it flies. Have one Muslim kid on the squad and do some Mohammad thing for him, you know, to encourage and strengthen him. See how the rest of the club likes it.
 
2012-10-05 04:16:03 PM  

MishenNikara: Ya know, our state JUST had a court case last year where a cheerleader was told she HAD to cheer for the guy who raped her. They said as a cheerleader she is a representative of the school and did NOT have the right to remain silent when she was supposed to be cheering for her rapist.

These cheerleaders are also representatives of the school, and their school is saying no more bible verses. But since this is a Christian matter of Bible verses it makes it ok for them to defy what their school told them?

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Silsbee-cheerleader-wh o -wouldn-t-root-for-1363318.php


are you SETX?
 
2012-10-05 04:53:20 PM  
The stupid redneck coonts can put whatever kind of Bronze Age nonsense they want on their signs and banners... just as soon as the school is fully privatized and no longer accepts any kind of financial or logistical support from the state.
 
2012-10-05 06:13:22 PM  

Hollywood Cole: are you SETX?


Yeah, Beaumont specifically.
 
2012-10-05 08:26:59 PM  

jammer24m: If the girls want to stand in the audience and wave there signs, have at it. I dont care, that's an individual expressing her beliefs.... BUT.. When its a school sponsored even and cheerleaders and waving the sign to the audience THAT is a violation of the law... If these cheerleaders waved signs quoting Buddha the crowd would go apeshiat... The law is not to protect the majority, its to protect the minority...


I completely agree. The problem is that public schools are funded by tax dollars. Thus they are an entity of the government. In America we have freedom from government sponsored religion. The school advocating this for any religion (or lack thereof) could be seen as an endorsement.

/conservative Christian
 
2012-10-05 08:28:41 PM  

MishenNikara: Hollywood Cole: are you SETX?

Yeah, Beaumont specifically.


Silsbee myself, working in Lumberton. I'm quite familiar with this debate. I have argued supporting the school's decision and have been lambasted as if I had claimed Jesus didn't die for my sins.
 
2012-10-06 01:54:26 AM  

MikeyistheDevil:

Silsbee myself, working in Lumberton. I'm quite familiar with this debate. I have argued supporting the school's decision and have been lambasted as if I had claimed Jesus didn't die for my sins.


I'm athiest and I don't even care how it turns out. I just know there is a pretty damn recent precedent that lawyers could use in the matter to win.
 
2012-10-06 06:55:02 PM  
Never mind that Texas doesn't actually have the right to secede. Can we *force* them to?
 
2012-10-08 12:42:40 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Never mind that Texas doesn't actually have the right to secede. Can we *force* them to?


There's some people who claim that it would save the economy if we booted Texas out of the Union.
 
2012-10-08 04:07:51 AM  

Pinko_Commie: Excuse my ignorance, but how is a Cheerleading squad at all related to state and local government?


They are explicitly representing the school. No one is stopping them from displaying whatever signs they like on their own time. But when they're representing the school -- a government agency -- they have to follow the rules that apply the the government. It's the same sort of rule we apply to literally everyone else who represents the government; city workers are free to practice whatever religion they like, but not on the job.

/ But you already knew that and were just trolling
// At least that's what I'm going to tell myself for my own sanity
 
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