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2012-10-05 05:56:42 AM  
This just makes me very sad.
 
2012-10-05 06:13:34 AM  
And late Thursday, the Boy Scouts of America said in a statement that because of Andresen's sexual orientation and that he did not agree to Scouting's principle of "Duty to God," "he is no longer eligible for membership in Scouting."

/And that's the game, thanks for playing folks. Good luck getting anyone except ultra right wing conservatives in the scouts. This statement and your lack of reporting child buggering makes you seem as bad as the catholic church, who's membership is declining. Good job.
 
2012-10-05 06:14:26 AM  
Discrimination is bad, but I also sort of don't want my son camping in the woods with other boys who are homosexuals, just like I wouldn't want him camping with girls.
 
2012-10-05 06:17:58 AM  
Yeah, I wouldn't trust him around children either.
 
2012-10-05 06:24:01 AM  

ransack.: Discrimination is bad, but I also sort of don't want my son camping in the woods with other boys who are homosexuals, just like I wouldn't want him camping with girls.


Girls are allowed in scouts around here (and I suspect so are luvers of their own sex.)

Mind you the BEST times I ever had at scouts was at the mixed Guides & Scouts Jamborees - why should the gays get all the fun :p
 
2012-10-05 06:28:09 AM  
Oy vey. Way to go, BSA.
 
2012-10-05 06:32:30 AM  

ciberido: God-is-a-Taco: Keizer_Ghidorah:
God doesn't give a flying shiat about who you love and find attractive, why should we?

You speak for god?

That's ... kinda ironic coming from someone with the handle "God-is-a-Taco," you know.


All I did was identify his corporeal form. I won't claim to speak of his crunchy ways.

He did tell me that you're getting coal in your stockings this year, though.
 
2012-10-05 06:49:28 AM  

Alonjar: I'm not homophobic.. but


Yes. Yes you are.

/never follow up a denial with a "but"
 
2012-10-05 07:03:44 AM  

Alonjar: For the record, I support peoples right to be gay.. if that does it for you, good for you.

HOWEVER... you cant deny the elephant in the room in regards to gay scout masters/elders. While it sucks to paint innocent gays with such a tainted brush, I can understand the concerns of parents with leaving their children under the supervision of gay adults who actively seek interaction with little boys. Its just... sketchy. The boy scouts of america have an image to keep up, and saying "leave your little boy with gay uncle jimmy!" just leaves a bad taste in most peoples mouths.

I'm not homophobic.. but theres just certain things people wont be comfortable with, and this is one of them. The risk of damaging the reputation of the boy scouts in the same fashion as the Catholic church is too large for them to bear, and I understand.

I'm not saying its right... but I understand.


Then they should stop taking taxpayers money for funding. Actually the government should basically state that.
If I had got to eagle scouts (I didn't, I discovered girls) I would send this guy my badge
 
2012-10-05 07:21:54 AM  
farked up that they said he couldn't be an Eagle scout because he likes cock.

farked up that someone signed up on that stupid farking wall as an Eagle project.
 
2012-10-05 07:28:00 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: so you really, honestly believe that the Boy Scouts are in all ways identical to the KKK? that's what yer going with here?

I never said "in all ways". In the particular way called "being a hate group" I would say they are the same, apart from their targets.


So are Democrats. Everyone is a hate group.
 
2012-10-05 07:41:30 AM  

unlikely: fark these guys.

Next time I walk into a grocery store and they're trying to sell me popcorn I will say "sorry, I'm gay" and keep walking.

No need to be rude or anything, just no way I'm supporting them any more.


We're selling popc
 
2012-10-05 07:48:12 AM  

Weaver95: I don't know why you'd care in the first place. you don't have to like the BSA 'no gays' rule but it's their club house...they can make up whatever rules they want for their membership. SCOTUS even said so


I don't know if you can really say it is "their" clubhouse when the govt does give them support.
 
2012-10-05 08:02:55 AM  

Dalrint: I have seen several examples in this thread that 'pedophile scout masters' make people wary of gay scouts. What? If some guy goes around raping young girls, that doesn't make everyone suddenly suspect all the straight people of being pedophiles. And yet it's perfectly acceptable to make that assumption about gays because of a few pedophiles.

And this is putting aside that pedophilia is *not* the same as being gay, regardless of what gender they commit the crime against.

/I'm tired and annoyed so I hope that made sense.


I'd be more comfortable leaving my daughter with a gay male. If that gay male is a pedophile, he would seek out boys to molest and not my daughter. I'd be much less comfortable leaving my daughter in the care of a straight male.

Likewise, if my son is going on an overnight trip under the supervision of some guy, I'd be much more comfortable if that guy were straight and not gay. Because gay pedophiles molest boys.

And pedophilia isn't equal to gay, you are correct. But if a guy molests a boy, he's gay. By definition.
 
2012-10-05 08:04:05 AM  

liam76: Weaver95: I don't know why you'd care in the first place. you don't have to like the BSA 'no gays' rule but it's their club house...they can make up whatever rules they want for their membership. SCOTUS even said so

I don't know if you can really say it is "their" clubhouse when the govt does give them support.


How much support is given to the boy scouts? In what form?
 
2012-10-05 08:07:41 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Dalrint: I have seen several examples in this thread that 'pedophile scout masters' make people wary of gay scouts. What? If some guy goes around raping young girls, that doesn't make everyone suddenly suspect all the straight people of being pedophiles. And yet it's perfectly acceptable to make that assumption about gays because of a few pedophiles.

And this is putting aside that pedophilia is *not* the same as being gay, regardless of what gender they commit the crime against.

/I'm tired and annoyed so I hope that made sense.

I'd be more comfortable leaving my daughter with a gay male. If that gay male is a pedophile, he would seek out boys to molest and not my daughter. I'd be much less comfortable leaving my daughter in the care of a straight male.

Likewise, if my son is going on an overnight trip under the supervision of some guy, I'd be much more comfortable if that guy were straight and not gay. Because gay pedophiles molest boys.

And pedophilia isn't equal to gay, you are correct. But if a guy molests a boy, he's gay. By definition.


Sadly they will never admit that.
 
2012-10-05 08:13:11 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: obamadidcoke: Not allowing homosexuals doesn't make BSA a hate group. I belong to both the American Bar Association and the VFW both of these organizations have exclusionary membership requirements, but they are not hate groups.

Do they require you not to be gay, or not black, or not something that's biological and unchangeable? If not, then you just made a really stupid attempt at a comparison.


Are boy scouts a hate group against women?

I don't agree with the BSA's stance, I think it is BS given their stance (on gays and religion) that they get federal assistance, but there is agrey area between "can't join" and "hate group".
 
2012-10-05 08:30:50 AM  

Babwa Wawa: A "tolerance wall" is some kind of f*&cking copout for an Eagle project. An eagle service project should involve at least 40 person-hours of work.


I agree and so I was thinking "Maybe he didn't get the project approved before he went ahead with it.... Maybe the kid really just didn't earn the rank..."

But then I saw this in the article
"But a spokesman for the Boys Scouts, Deron Smith, told NBC News in a statement that Andresen recently "notified his unit leadership and Eagle Scout Counselor that he does not agree to Scouting's principle of 'Duty to God' and does not meet Scouting's membership standard on sexual orientation. "


Maybe the project didn't meet the requirements BUT the statement from the BSA cites that the kid himself notified the scouts that he doesn't qualify for membership in the organization. Sorry kid, they have rules and you didn't follow them. (I don't agree with the rules about the ghey and the god, but those are the rules)

Kid shoulda gamed the system by staying in the closet until he had the eagle then held the biggest, baddest, gayest, boy scout themed coming out party on the planet. AND invited the national news.
OR
Made his service project a presentation about the negative effects of discrimination on a society.

\ Cub scout leader (non-pedophile type)
\\ I always tell folks that my goal in scouting is helping good boys grow into good men.
\\\ Good men don't discriminate, neither should the BSA
 
2012-10-05 08:37:11 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: liam76: Weaver95: I don't know why you'd care in the first place. you don't have to like the BSA 'no gays' rule but it's their club house...they can make up whatever rules they want for their membership. SCOTUS even said so

I don't know if you can really say it is "their" clubhouse when the govt does give them support.

How much support is given to the boy scouts? In what form?


Are you unaware of their preferential treatment in many towns and cities? You were a boy scout right, never had a meeting in a school?

In cases where they don't get it over their stance they have been suing ?

You didn't know that the 2005 Jamboree, alone, cost the Us taxpayers about 8 million dollars?

How about the "Boy Scouts of America Centennial Commemorative Coin Act"?

In January 2006, Congress included the "Support Our Scouts Act of 2005" in its defense authorization bill. This law requires the Department of Defense to provide at least the same level of support for the BSA's national and world Jamborees as in past years. This law also requires any state or local government entity that receives Community Development Block Grant money from the Department of Housing and Urban Development to allow BSA to have meetings in their facilities or on their property. This requirement would override any of these entities' own anti-discrimination laws or regulations forbidding access to a discriminatory group such as the BSA. (linked above)

I got no problem with the BSA taking whatever stance they want on gays, or religion, but thwne they get that level of govt support it is farking BS.
 
2012-10-05 08:39:00 AM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Babwa Wawa: A "tolerance wall" is some kind of f*&cking copout for an Eagle project. An eagle service project should involve at least 40 person-hours of work.

I agree and so I was thinking "Maybe he didn't get the project approved before he went ahead with it.... Maybe the kid really just didn't earn the rank..."

But then I saw this in the article
"But a spokesman for the Boys Scouts, Deron Smith, told NBC News in a statement that Andresen recently "notified his unit leadership and Eagle Scout Counselor that he does not agree to Scouting's principle of 'Duty to God' and does not meet Scouting's membership standard on sexual orientation. "


Maybe the project didn't meet the requirements BUT the statement from the BSA cites that the kid himself notified the scouts that he doesn't qualify for membership in the organization. Sorry kid, they have rules and you didn't follow them. (I don't agree with the rules about the ghey and the god, but those are the rules)

Kid shoulda gamed the system by staying in the closet until he had the eagle then held the biggest, baddest, gayest, boy scout themed coming out party on the planet. AND invited the national news.
OR
Made his service project a presentation about the negative effects of discrimination on a society.

\ Cub scout leader (non-pedophile type)
\\ I always tell folks that my goal in scouting is helping good boys grow into good men.
\\\ Good men don't discriminate, neither should the BSA


deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-05 08:41:10 AM  
Time for some one to stop crying and start their own "Gay Scouts".
 
2012-10-05 08:52:54 AM  
The organization itself is structured to allow discrimination against atheists and homosexuals. Individual troops have to be complicit in order for that discrimination to actually take place. There are plenty of troops that welcome atheists and homosexuals. However, it is unfortunate that it just takes one douchebag on the troop committee to start f*cking things up.
I'm sorry... I'm not sure if you're discussing the Boy Scouts or the SS. Which was it again?
 
2012-10-05 08:55:32 AM  
A Scout is:
Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful,
Friendly, Courteous, Kind,
Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty,
Brave, Clean, Reverent, and stays well away from those icky gays,
unless scout leader John comes into your tent at night, that will be our little secret
 
2012-10-05 08:56:06 AM  

clintp: The organization itself is structured to allow discrimination against atheists and homosexuals. Individual troops have to be complicit in order for that discrimination to actually take place. There are plenty of troops that welcome atheists and homosexuals. However, it is unfortunate that it just takes one douchebag on the troop committee to start f*cking things up.I'm sorry... I'm not sure if you're discussing the Boy Scouts or the SS. Which was it again?


So does that mean the Vetrans of Foreign Wars is discriminating against everyone who was not deployed to combat zone? That is a requirement of membership. Get your own club and stop trying to takeover someone elses club.
 
2012-10-05 09:03:41 AM  

Joe Blowme: Time for some one to stop crying and start their own "Gay Scouts".


Sure, so long as the government yanks all the support it gave the Boy Scouts and gives it all to the Gay Scouts instead. 

Maybe you could be a Scoutmaster, err, I mean, Gaymaster.
 
2012-10-05 09:05:16 AM  

Joe Blowme: So does that mean the Vetrans of Foreign Wars is discriminating against everyone who was not deployed to combat zone?


VFW welcomes people who have earned their medals and then come out.

Joe Blowme: Get your own club and stop trying to takeover someone elses club


When the "club" in question gets serious financial and material support from the govt, then it is my club.
 
2012-10-05 09:06:48 AM  

ciberido: Joe Blowme: Time for some one to stop crying and start their own "Gay Scouts".

Sure, so long as the government yanks all the support it gave the Boy Scouts and gives it all to the Gay Scouts instead. 

Maybe you could be a Scoutmaster, err, I mean, Gaymaster.


Im sure they too can apply for support, gov cant descriminate. So what is your deal again? Too lazy to do all the set up work yourself to create your own club?
 
2012-10-05 09:08:16 AM  

liam76: Joe Blowme: So does that mean the Vetrans of Foreign Wars is discriminating against everyone who was not deployed to combat zone?

VFW welcomes people who have earned their medals and then come out.

Joe Blowme: Get your own club and stop trying to takeover someone elses club

When the "club" in question gets serious financial and material support from the govt, then it is my club.


Yes but they have to be deployed to combat zone to qualify for membership.
 
2012-10-05 09:14:16 AM  

The Saturday Night Massacre: A Scout is:

Trustworthy,
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obedient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean,
and Reverent. 

"Straight" notably absent......


"On my honor I will do my best to do my duty, to God and my country. To obey the scout law, to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight" - scout oath

Now, I am not of the opinion that "morally straight" excludes homosexuals, but the powers at be in scouting are.

I really hate this too, scouting helped me develop discipline, get over my borderline OCD, and foster my love of camping. The vast majority of scout troops don't give a shiat if you're gay or an atheist. We had at least one atheist in our troop and just told him to hush up about the religion requirements. If we had had an openly gay scout, I'm sure we would have welcomed him too. The real issue is that the upper leadership are too old and too...mormon. It's a fantastic organization, but there needs to be a serious change at the highest levels.
 
2012-10-05 09:15:35 AM  
Penn and Teller - Full Episode on The Boy Scouts, and how the Mormon Church has hijacked it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndoP1YW72Zk
Link
 
2012-10-05 09:15:58 AM  

DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business. No different from groups that are only open to gays. I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join. Unless you're against people living their lives the way they want, doing what they want to do and associating with who they want. In which case, you're just as bigoted and intolerant as they are.


How is it possible you missed the comment 4 above yours that shows it is not in fact a completely "private" group, as it was originally chartered by Congress? Your troll is weak too, equating discrimination and intolerance of discrimination is full retard.
 
2012-10-05 09:16:19 AM  

Joe Blowme: Yes but they have to be deployed to combat zone to qualify for membership


Yes, and they have gay people who have done that.

deosn't have fark all to do with the BSA.


Joe Blowme: Im sure they too can apply for support, gov cant descriminate. So what is your deal again? Too lazy to do all the set up work yourself to create your own club


Govt can, and does.

I an not going to re-post the indivicdual links, btu the govt gives a lot of support to the BSA that wouldn't be there for a new group.


liam76: Are you unaware of their preferential treatment in many towns and cities? You were a boy scout right, never had a meeting in a school?

In cases where they don't get it over their stance they have been suing ?

You didn't know that the 2005 Jamboree, alone, cost the Us taxpayers about 8 million dollars?

How about the "Boy Scouts of America Centennial Commemorative Coin Act"?

In January 2006, Congress included the "Support Our Scouts Act of 2005" in its defense authorization bill. This law requires the Department of Defense to provide at least the same level of support for the BSA's national and world Jamborees as in past years. This law also requires any state or local government entity that receives Community Development Block Grant money from the Department of Housing and Urban Development to allow BSA to have meetings in their facilities or on their property. This requirement would override any of these entities' own anti-discrimination laws or regulations forbidding access to a discriminatory group such as the BSA. (linked above)

I got no problem with the BSA taking whatever stance they want on gays, or religion, but thwne they get that level of govt support it is farking BS

 
2012-10-05 09:16:21 AM  

Theaetetus: DrPainMD: No different from groups that are only open to gays.

Which of these cover up for their child rapist members?
Catholic Church
Boy Scouts of America
Log Cabin Republicans

/right... no difference...


You forgot to include the GLBTA. It isn't straight dudes who are raping those boys.
 
2012-10-05 09:27:34 AM  

Kingly Weevil: This makes me so sad because scouting was a program I enjoyed very much when I was a kid. At the time I of course didn't understand bigotry at the time, and never saw any examples of it myself while participating.

I just wish everyone could have the same great experiences that I had in it, and that the program would quit publicly shaming itself. This seriously makes me a little ashamed to be an Eagle Scout. I want to mail them my patch and tell them that I don't want it if he can't have his.


I would too, if I ever had what it takes to make it to Eagle Scout. I'd gladly send them back my Tenderfoot badge, this kid busted his ass and this is how he's treated? It's shameful.
 
2012-10-05 09:32:23 AM  
Reminds me of how the GOP tried to oust Akin when he stated what their platform was out loud.
 
2012-10-05 09:33:45 AM  
Three weeks ago, my son came running to me after school and said he wanted to join the Boy Scouts because a man came into their classroom and said they get to shoot BB guns and bows and arrows if they come to a meeting that night at school. We went, signed up, and now I got to figure out another activity for him each week because I'm pulling him out of it today. I want to teach my son tolerance, not hate.

/screw the boy scouts
 
2012-10-05 09:38:34 AM  
Kingly Weevil:

Sherman Potter
:

BendreGiant:

scottydoesntknow:

pudding7:

sgnilward:


Ok, it might've already been mentioned, but Eagle Scouts all across the country are just as disgusted as you with the way BSA has been acting, so they're writing letters to BSA and mailing their badges back. BoingBoing has covered it repeatedly and there's a tumblr of a bunch of different letters and pictures of people mailing their stuff in - 179 letters as of 10/1/12, after starting the site in late July this year.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-05 09:39:46 AM  

PapaChester: I do not turn my card so that I can actively represent myself in my community as an Eagle Scout who thinks the Boy Scouts have become a private hate group instead of the upstanding organization it once was.


Except that by these rules, it's always been a private hate organization. It's like keeping a KKK membership card so you can show the community that the KKK used to be OK, and you're trying to change things "from the inside."

There is no changing things from the inside of the BSA at this point.

/former Eagle scout
//glad I only have daughters
 
2012-10-05 09:40:26 AM  
Hey, they are an organization who can deny membership to anyone..

Maybe he could join the Pikes when he goes to college.
 
2012-10-05 09:42:34 AM  

fluffytuff: /screw the boy scouts


That's why they don't want gheys in there.
 
2012-10-05 09:49:06 AM  
I really can't believe it's the year 2012 and people still use the old homosexual = pedophile canard. I used to ask people like that if they were sexually interested in young girls. I usually got insults back. Curiously, I never really got denials.

Fark the BSA. Happy that the Girl Scouts have gone in the opposite direction and are very inclusive. Will happily allow my daughter to become a girl scout when she's old enough.
 
2012-10-05 09:52:57 AM  

number8: homosexual = pedophile

 
2012-10-05 09:53:18 AM  
I do not have a problem with this. BSA is a private organization, and can do whatever the fark they want.

Denying membership does NOT equal hatred.

The practical fact of the matter is that parents of young boys simply do not want their boys going camping in the woods with gays anymore than parents want their daughters going camping in the woods with young straight boys. Simply too much potential for trouble.

And I've seen it and heard it, in scouting (co-ed Explorer Posts) and many years ago in Civil Air Patrol cadet units, until they clamped down and set up night watches. As scout leaders, we would say we would lead coed units as soon as BSA started issuing Chastity Belts.

Go ahead and laugh, but your attitude is way different when you're responsible for teh kiddies....
 
2012-10-05 09:53:22 AM  

liam76: Debeo Summa Credo: liam76: Weaver95: I don't know why you'd care in the first place. you don't have to like the BSA 'no gays' rule but it's their club house...they can make up whatever rules they want for their membership. SCOTUS even said so

I don't know if you can really say it is "their" clubhouse when the govt does give them support.

How much support is given to the boy scouts? In what form?

Are you unaware of their preferential treatment in many towns and cities? You were a boy scout right, never had a meeting in a school?

In cases where they don't get it over their stance they have been suing ?

You didn't know that the 2005 Jamboree, alone, cost the Us taxpayers about 8 million dollars?

How about the "Boy Scouts of America Centennial Commemorative Coin Act"?

In January 2006, Congress included the "Support Our Scouts Act of 2005" in its defense authorization bill. This law requires the Department of Defense to provide at least the same level of support for the BSA's national and world Jamborees as in past years. This law also requires any state or local government entity that receives Community Development Block Grant money from the Department of Housing and Urban Development to allow BSA to have meetings in their facilities or on their property. This requirement would override any of these entities' own anti-discrimination laws or regulations forbidding access to a discriminatory group such as the BSA. (linked above)

I got no problem with the BSA taking whatever stance they want on gays, or religion, but thwne they get that level of govt support it is farking BS.


Okay, so basically no significant support. I thought there were actual cash appropriations going to boy scouts. Our troop (den? Pack?) meets in a church basement, with no interaction with church officials at all. It's in the northeast so that whole "duty to god" thing is extremely muted.

I agree that we shouldn't be wasting tax dollars on BSA or any community organization, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape about them using govt land or a school.
 
2012-10-05 09:58:52 AM  

mark12A: I do not have a problem with this. BSA is a private organization, and can do whatever the fark they want.

Denying membership does NOT equal hatred.

The practical fact of the matter is that parents of young boys simply do not want their boys going camping in the woods with gays anymore than parents want their daughters going camping in the woods with young straight boys. Simply too much potential for trouble.

And I've seen it and heard it, in scouting (co-ed Explorer Posts) and many years ago in Civil Air Patrol cadet units, until they clamped down and set up night watches. As scout leaders, we would say we would lead coed units as soon as BSA started issuing Chastity Belts.

Go ahead and laugh, but your attitude is way different when you're responsible for teh kiddies....


See the problem is the BSA is not a private group, they accept federal money, use public places with Sweetheart deals, like rent for a dollar, if not free.

Link Skip ahead to 18:30.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndoP1YW72Zk
 
2012-10-05 10:01:50 AM  

phyrkrakr: Kingly Weevil:

Sherman Potter:

BendreGiant:

scottydoesntknow:

pudding7:

sgnilward:

Ok, it might've already been mentioned, but Eagle Scouts all across the country are just as disgusted as you with the way BSA has been acting, so they're writing letters to BSA and mailing their badges back. BoingBoing has covered it repeatedly and there's a tumblr of a bunch of different letters and pictures of people mailing their stuff in - 179 letters as of 10/1/12, after starting the site in late July this year.


I don't understand that. Werethe boy scouts more tolerant of gays in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but just changed their minds recently?
 
2012-10-05 10:02:36 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Okay, so basically no significant support. I thought there were actual cash appropriations going to boy scouts. Our troop (den? Pack?) meets in a church basement, with no interaction with church officials at all. It's in the northeast so that whole "duty to god" thing is extremely muted.


Did you miss the 8 million dollars for the 2005 Jamboree alone?

Did you miss the legislation that says th US govt has to continue to give that level of supprot to future Jamobrees?

You are realy trying to pass that off as "no significant support"?

Debeo Summa Credo: I agree that we shouldn't be wasting tax dollars on BSA or any community organization, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape about them using govt land (and resources) or a school


Would you get bent out of shape if the KKK, black panthers or some "gay only" group was allowed that sweetheart deal on govt land (and resources)? Because most people would and those that change their stance when it comes tot he BSA are hypocrites.
 
2012-10-05 10:12:16 AM  
can we boycott them?
 
2012-10-05 10:12:41 AM  

liam76: Debeo Summa Credo: Okay, so basically no significant support. I thought there were actual cash appropriations going to boy scouts. Our troop (den? Pack?) meets in a church basement, with no interaction with church officials at all. It's in the northeast so that whole "duty to god" thing is extremely muted.

Did you miss the 8 million dollars for the 2005 Jamboree alone?

Did you miss the legislation that says th US govt has to continue to give that level of supprot to future Jamobrees?

You are realy trying to pass that off as "no significant support"?

Debeo Summa Credo: I agree that we shouldn't be wasting tax dollars on BSA or any community organization, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape about them using govt land (and resources) or a school

Would you get bent out of shape if the KKK, black panthers or some "gay only" group was allowed that sweetheart deal on govt land (and resources)? Because most people would and those that change their stance when it comes tot he BSA are hypocrites.


I honestly don't buy the $8m number that the anti-boy scout website threw out there. It says it's for "military personnel, land use, and other support". Not going to get bent out of shape about costs of military personnel attending jamborees or implied free rent on governmental land.

If the govt writes a check to BSA for $8m a year, you are right that I think it should stop.
 
2012-10-05 10:14:39 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Babwa Wawa: A

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You're gonna have to explain that one to me
 
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