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2012-10-05 01:21:33 AM  

obamadidcoke: eddiesocket: stiletto_the_wise: obamadidcoke: Not allowing homosexuals doesn't make BSA a hate group. I belong to both the American Bar Association and the VFW both of these organizations have exclusionary membership requirements, but they are not hate groups.

Do they exclude gays?

They don't exclude anyone. He's a liar.

Link
No campaign medal, no VFW membership=exclusionary membership requirements.


Don't see anything involving, race, gender, or sexual orientation. How is this similar to the BSA?
 
2012-10-05 01:21:38 AM  

Aussie_As: it would be perfectly safe to leave your young daughter in the care of Jerry Sandusky for an afternoon while you go out and do some shopping, on the basis that he's a so-called gay paedophile. Ummm, hell no.


Wouldn't it? Didn't he target boys exclusively?
 
2012-10-05 01:22:50 AM  

eddiesocket: If you're a pedophile, get yourself a wife.


Or get in a profession where you won't be questioned for being a bachelor. Like a Priest.
 
2012-10-05 01:23:46 AM  

obamadidcoke: Keizer_Ghidorah: obamadidcoke: Not allowing homosexuals doesn't make BSA a hate group. I belong to both the American Bar Association and the VFW both of these organizations have exclusionary membership requirements, but they are not hate groups.

Do they require you not to be gay, or not black, or not something that's biological and unchangeable? If not, then you just made a really stupid attempt at a comparison.

The origins of homosexuality are unknown. There is no concretely genetic link, just as there is no concrete psychological link. Further, current research indicates that some individuals change sexual identity over time.


Considering it's prevalent throughout the animal kingdom and has been documented for millennia, it's safe to say it's genetic in some way. Otherwise why would straight parents produce gay children?
 
2012-10-05 01:25:11 AM  

obamadidcoke: Keizer_Ghidorah: obamadidcoke: Not allowing homosexuals doesn't make BSA a hate group. I belong to both the American Bar Association and the VFW both of these organizations have exclusionary membership requirements, but they are not hate groups.

Do they require you not to be gay, or not black, or not something that's biological and unchangeable? If not, then you just made a really stupid attempt at a comparison.

The origins of homosexuality are unknown. There is no concretely genetic link, just as there is no concrete psychological link. Further, current research indicates that some individuals change sexual identity over time.


sooo... they make a conscience choice in some cases?

/That might explain why I went lesbian
 
2012-10-05 01:25:59 AM  
The kid is gay and is a member of an organization that opposes homosexuality. What the Hades did he expect would happen if they found out? I do not condone the BSA's policy, but I do fully support their right to be a private organization. I only hope that they will some day change their stance on this because I would really like to put my uniform back on and become a Scout Master again.

/Not gay.
 
2012-10-05 01:27:28 AM  

spamdog: Aussie_As: it would be perfectly safe to leave your young daughter in the care of Jerry Sandusky for an afternoon while you go out and do some shopping, on the basis that he's a so-called gay paedophile. Ummm, hell no.

Wouldn't it? Didn't he target boys exclusively?


Well if you want to do that, your parenting skills are very scary. Courts don't ban paedophiles from contact with only boys or only girls for a very good reason.

Sandusky was a football coach. It follows that he had far more access to boys than girls, because parents were happy to drop their sons off to attend football programs which their daughters weren't interested in and even if they were, they'd have been using different shower facilities which Sandusky didn't have rights to access. I would suggest that is the reason for the exclusivity. European wolves don't tend to attack Australian wallabies on the basis they're on different continents, not because wallabies wouldn't be tasty to wolves.
 
2012-10-05 01:28:18 AM  

Mock26: The kid is gay and is a member of an organization that opposes homosexuality. What the Hades did he expect would happen if they found out? I do not condone the BSA's policy, but I do fully support their right to be a private organization. I only hope that they will some day change their stance on this because I would really like to put my uniform back on and become a Scout Master again.

/Not gay.


He joined before he was aware of what sexuality was, like a lot of Scouts. Why should he be punished for it? Why is being straight one of the requirements for a badge that tells everyone you're a cool person?
 
2012-10-05 01:29:59 AM  

obamadidcoke: Keizer_Ghidorah: obamadidcoke: eddiesocket: stiletto_the_wise: obamadidcoke: Not allowing homosexuals doesn't make BSA a hate group. I belong to both the American Bar Association and the VFW both of these organizations have exclusionary membership requirements, but they are not hate groups.

Do they exclude gays?

They don't exclude anyone. He's a liar.

Link
No campaign medal, no VFW membership=exclusionary membership requirements.

Don't see anything involving, race, gender, or sexual orientation. How is this similar to the BSA?

Simple, exclusionary membership policies keep certain people out and let certain people in.
Of course if you want to look at state supported private organizations the Bar Association is probably the gold standard. If you are not a member of this organization you basically can't practice law in the U.S.


You pretending to be this obtuse is fooling exactly no one.
 
2012-10-05 01:32:01 AM  
As a former Eagle Scout, this is DISGUSTING. I say former because I am one of the Eagle Scouts that returned his award to the BSA.

While i am not gay myself, i learned from the Boy Scouts of America what it means to stand up for your principles and what is right.

Shame on the BSA and (especially) the Mormon church for completely ruining the Scouts.

The BSA is *NOT* and never was intended to be an extension on your religion.
 
2012-10-05 01:32:49 AM  

Weaver95: And late Thursday, the Boy Scouts of America said in a statement that because of Andresen's sexual orientation and that he did not agree to Scouting's principle of "Duty to God," "he is no longer eligible for membership in Scouting."

well, yeah - I mean it's their club house, the BSA sets the rules on this one. If they say 'no gay eagle scouts' then they won't let anyone gay become an eagle scout. you might not like their rules...but you do have to respect the right of the BSA to set their own rules for their own membership.. don't like the rules, don't join the scouts.


Agreed. Also, no more meeting in or on public facilities/property for free and no public funding. How do you get around the 'chartered by congress' thing? That's pretty embarrassing, not to mention unconstitutional.
 
2012-10-05 01:37:18 AM  

Aussie_As: Courts don't ban paedophiles from contact with only boys or only girls for a very good reason.


I'm pretty sure that's because some pedophiles are bisexual (like the rest of the population), but that doesn't mean all of them are - or even a plurality. Also I'm pretty sure it's because kids are around other kids quite a lot, too.

You don't think Sandusky would have made a conscious choice to build his career in a place where he would be around boys?

Of course this is all speculative, but I think there's a lot of "popular wisdom" about pedophilia which isn't necessarily true.
 
2012-10-05 01:37:55 AM  

obamadidcoke: Simple, exclusionary membership policies keep certain people out and let certain people in.
Of course if you want to look at state supported private organizations the Bar Association is probably the gold standard. If you are not a member of this organization you basically can't practice law in the U.S.


Bar Association doesn't exclude people based on gender, skin color, or sexual orientation, does it? No? Then it's not the same as BSA. Why are you willfully being so stupid?

obamadidcoke: You are new to genetics aren't you.


You just said yourself that there's no concrete link between homosexuality and genetics. Are you changing your mind?
 
2012-10-05 01:37:58 AM  

Cheesus: I live in a state that overwhelmingly banned gay marriage. A majority of the US just doesn't like homosexuals. Give it another 10-20 years.


Wrong. Polls from this year show consistently 50-55% of Americans support legal gay marriage. It's the obstructionist party that is keeping this from happening most places.


As for the boy scouts, many of the leaders were openly homophobic when I was in it, and there were no mormons involved, this was straight up protestant.
 
2012-10-05 01:41:41 AM  
I think there is a point we are missing.

Scouting is actually teaching a great life lesson here.

If you want to get ahead in life you have to learn to lie. Eagle Scout looks pretty good on college apps and early resumes. There is no comparable for boys. If you want that leg-up in the market - learn to lie. This valuable skill will be immeasurably useful in preparing you for life in America.

So consider it the unwritten 13th part of the Boy Scout Law. A boy scout is deceitful (when it is necessary to accomplish an otherwise worthy goal).

/eagle scout
//not sure if I will enroll my 5 year old son next year...
 
2012-10-05 01:42:38 AM  

obamadidcoke: Link

I just donated $100 to my local area council. I wouldn't have done that if I hadn't been reminded about BSA by this thread. I guess you BSA haters just helped the Boy Scouts, congratulations.


Im not a BSA hater, but as someone who spent more than two decades associated with them, their recent actions are shameful.
 
2012-10-05 01:44:01 AM  
No gay scouts, but they have all those perverted, butt-farking leaders?

Yes, I se how that works - only priests as leaders.
 
2012-10-05 01:44:51 AM  

spamdog: Aussie_As: Courts don't ban paedophiles from contact with only boys or only girls for a very good reason.

I'm pretty sure that's because some pedophiles are bisexual (like the rest of the population), but that doesn't mean all of them are - or even a plurality. Also I'm pretty sure it's because kids are around other kids quite a lot, too.

You don't think Sandusky would have made a conscious choice to build his career in a place where he would be around boys?

Of course this is all speculative, but I think there's a lot of "popular wisdom" about pedophilia which isn't necessarily true.


Any parent accused of neglecting their daughter because they left them in the care of a known paedophile who ran the defense "but he only abused boys" would be (metaphorically) crucified by the courts. The big danger to public safety of making claims on-line or in general conversation that so-and-so is a gay paedophile is that some idiot parent is one day going to accept this as conventional wisdom and leave their daughter in the hands of a known paedophile on this basis. If you want that on your hands, so be it. I'm certainly not taking that risk.

Maybe some paedophiles are genuinely exclusively only into boys. I think it's much more likely that they'll take any port in a storm. Prepubescent boys and girls are physically not too different.
 
2012-10-05 01:45:46 AM  

obamadidcoke: Link

I just donated $100 to my local area council. I wouldn't have done that if I hadn't been reminded about BSA by this thread. I guess you BSA haters just helped the Boy Scouts, congratulations.


You gotta love people who do this. "Hurr hurr I helped someone you don't like, suck it teeheehee". I thought it was a mental frame that people outgrew by age 12.
 
2012-10-05 01:49:52 AM  
What could be gayer than putting on neckerchiefs and hanging out alone with a bunch of dudes?

/Former Eagle scout- sent the badge back.
//It's embarrassing
 
2012-10-05 01:51:56 AM  

obamadidcoke: Keizer_Ghidorah: obamadidcoke: Link

I just donated $100 to my local area council. I wouldn't have done that if I hadn't been reminded about BSA by this thread. I guess you BSA haters just helped the Boy Scouts, congratulations.

You gotta love people who do this. "Hurr hurr I helped someone you don't like, suck it teeheehee". I thought it was a mental frame that people outgrew by age 12.

It's not about you, (regardless of what your mommy told you) it's about giving to a worthy cause.

You should try it some time, dickhead.


And you're so insecure you have to brag about your "worthy cause" donations.
 
2012-10-05 01:55:07 AM  

12349876: obamadidcoke: Keizer_Ghidorah: obamadidcoke: Link

I just donated $100 to my local area council. I wouldn't have done that if I hadn't been reminded about BSA by this thread. I guess you BSA haters just helped the Boy Scouts, congratulations.

You gotta love people who do this. "Hurr hurr I helped someone you don't like, suck it teeheehee". I thought it was a mental frame that people outgrew by age 12.

It's not about you, (regardless of what your mommy told you) it's about giving to a worthy cause.

You should try it some time, dickhead.

And you're so insecure you have to brag about your "worthy cause" donations.


Lol
 
2012-10-05 01:55:58 AM  

obamadidcoke: Keizer_Ghidorah: obamadidcoke: Link

I just donated $100 to my local area council. I wouldn't have done that if I hadn't been reminded about BSA by this thread. I guess you BSA haters just helped the Boy Scouts, congratulations.

You gotta love people who do this. "Hurr hurr I helped someone you don't like, suck it teeheehee". I thought it was a mental frame that people outgrew by age 12.

It's not about you, (regardless of what your mommy told you) it's about giving to a worthy cause.

You should try it some time, dickhead.


No it wasnt. You said so yourself, dickhead.
 
2012-10-05 02:00:04 AM  

Aussie_As: If you want that on your hands, so be it. I'm certainly not taking that risk.


I'm just asking hypothetically. In practice, I wouldn't leave my kid (I don't have kids) with a known pedophile. But still - from what I've read, most pedophiles are exclusively into one sex or the other.
 
2012-10-05 02:00:17 AM  

obamadidcoke: Keizer_Ghidorah: obamadidcoke: Link

I just donated $100 to my local area council. I wouldn't have done that if I hadn't been reminded about BSA by this thread. I guess you BSA haters just helped the Boy Scouts, congratulations.

You gotta love people who do this. "Hurr hurr I helped someone you don't like, suck it teeheehee". I thought it was a mental frame that people outgrew by age 12.

It's not about you, (regardless of what your mommy told you) it's about giving to a worthy cause.

You should try it some time, dickhead.


No, I'm pretty sure it was about us "BSA haters", since you stated as much. (And likely didn't donate anything, anyway).
/"Worthy" causes don't discriminate.
 
2012-10-05 02:10:22 AM  

obamadidcoke: 12349876: obamadidcoke: Keizer_Ghidorah: obamadidcoke: Link

I just donated $100 to my local area council. I wouldn't have done that if I hadn't been reminded about BSA by this thread. I guess you BSA haters just helped the Boy Scouts, congratulations.

You gotta love people who do this. "Hurr hurr I helped someone you don't like, suck it teeheehee". I thought it was a mental frame that people outgrew by age 12.

It's not about you, (regardless of what your mommy told you) it's about giving to a worthy cause.

You should try it some time, dickhead.

And you're so insecure you have to brag about your "worthy cause" donations.

Not sure how that makes me insecure, but okay. My point is that anyone who really believes in a cause should support it with more than words on the internet.


And numerous people in this thread have done so. But they don't feel the need to brag about all the money they've sent. And sending back your eagle scout badge is one hell of a way to support a cause. The ballot box is another great way.
 
mhd
2012-10-05 02:17:26 AM  
Was a scout for a very short time, so I just went to check how my old group is treating this. Well, quite a surprise: Fully supportive of LBGT, first Catholic youth organization to do so (couple of years back).

German youth organizations come a long way...
 
2012-10-05 02:20:25 AM  
I earned the rank of Eagle Scout. And this is bullsh*t.
 
2012-10-05 02:33:35 AM  

Weaver95: stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: ah, so the BSA do have SOME differences from the KKK. lets go a bit further.

do the boy scouts organize gangs to go out and 'curb stomp' gays and minorities like the KKK does?

You can still be a hate group and not openly make use of physical violence to express your hate.

ooook, so there's a point of difference. the KKK goes out and uses physical threats and intimidation while the BSA...does what again exactly? oh, right...doesn't let gays join their reindeer games.

not exactly the same sorts of organizations after all, are they?


You don't hesitate to call others out on their hypocrisy, Weaver? Why the sudden white-knighting of the BSA? Why suddenly the "o they're a private organization they can do what they like" piousness? I never saw you say this for, say, the Catholic Church or the Baptists.
 
2012-10-05 02:34:31 AM  

mhd: Was a scout for a very short time, so I just went to check how my old group is treating this. Well, quite a surprise: Fully supportive of LBGT, first Catholic youth organization to do so (couple of years back).

German youth organizations come a long way...


CINOs.
The Catholic Church is very strongly against it, going so far as to campaign against it in third world hellholes and even take it so far as to oppose UN resolutions to encourage decriminalization of it worldwide:
link
 
2012-10-05 02:37:36 AM  

obamadidcoke: I just donated $100 to my local area council. I wouldn't have done that if I hadn't been reminded about BSA by this thread. I guess you BSA haters just helped the Boy Scouts, congratulations.


You're free to donate your money to whatever group you like. Nobody here cares in the least. We do care, however, when it's in-kind support funded by tax dollars.
 
2012-10-05 02:39:11 AM  

Theaetetus: reaperducer: Don't believe in what the Scouts believe? Then don't join.

I thought the Scouts believed in covering up tens of thousands of instances of child rape. Simply "not joining" doesn't seem to be enough of a response.


That was gay people attempting to corrupt our kids, we need to protect our kids and ban gays from public life until we can find a cure for this sickness
 
2012-10-05 02:43:59 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: Cheesus: They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.

DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business.

obamadidcoke: This is a private organization that is allowed to regulate it's membership.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Private organization. Right or wrong (I think it is wrong), they can do what they want.

OK, if they're a private organization, then cut off their government support so my taxes aren't helping run a hate group.


We raise our own money and not for nothing we pay taxes too, so get bent. We are making leaders for tomorrow the gay spread disease and disgrace.
 
2012-10-05 02:51:33 AM  
God Damn it BSA.............

Take my Eagle medal you bigoted pieces of shiat, and farking choke on it

Eagle Scout, Order of the Arrow, and former JASM. I am very proud of me Eagle rank. I worked really hard for it. I spent many a weekend recycling glass, cleaning roads, dump sites, park trails, building bird houses, and a myriad of other worthy community causes. Boy Scouts taught me how to lead, be independant, and an all around decent human being. I learned skills in Scouts that use every single day of my life. I have Eagle Scout on my resume, and for the first time in my life it's accomplishment I'm considering removing.

Damn you and your pseudo-christian Bullshiat. Damn you for ruining one of the greatest things from my childhood. You old bigoted self righteous bastards. I hate you. This young man for all appearances seems to exemplify everything scouting is supposed to stand for, and you blatantly deny him something he very much deserves. Damn you damn you damn you. I've had it.

I just found a website called scoutingforall. They have an address to send my badges and awards to. They'll be soon getting a box with my uniform, OA sash, and felt box that holds my most precious childhood accomplishment. I was going to send it to the BSA, but I think sending it to scoutingforall might be better.
 
2012-10-05 03:16:09 AM  

Weaver95: . don't like it, don't join the organization.


Way late, but:
You outright ignored the actual problem here. A child joining the boy scouts (or his parents making him join) probably isn't going to know his sexual preference before spending a few years in the group. To place all the "blame" on them when they come to a realization and are forced to choose between being honest to themselves or hiding like a hunchback is damned silly.

Regardless, a government should not be sponsoring in ANY way a group that is so blatantly "only these groups allowed" discriminatory. Whether they're rather benign, or as destructive as the KKK, it really doesn't matter.
 
2012-10-05 03:16:59 AM  

mighty_maxx: God Damn it BSA.............

Take my Eagle medal you bigoted pieces of shiat, and farking choke on it

Eagle Scout, Order of the Arrow, and former JASM. I am very proud of me Eagle rank. I worked really hard for it. I spent many a weekend recycling glass, cleaning roads, dump sites, park trails, building bird houses, and a myriad of other worthy community causes. Boy Scouts taught me how to lead, be independant, and an all around decent human being. I learned skills in Scouts that use every single day of my life. I have Eagle Scout on my resume, and for the first time in my life it's accomplishment I'm considering removing.

Damn you and your pseudo-christian Bullshiat. Damn you for ruining one of the greatest things from my childhood. You old bigoted self righteous bastards. I hate you. This young man for all appearances seems to exemplify everything scouting is supposed to stand for, and you blatantly deny him something he very much deserves. Damn you damn you damn you. I've had it.

I just found a website called scoutingforall. They have an address to send my badges and awards to. They'll be soon getting a box with my uniform, OA sash, and felt box that holds my most precious childhood accomplishment. I was going to send it to the BSA, but I think sending it to scoutingforall might be better.


From another eagle scout who already sent in his medal and OA sash: physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
 
2012-10-05 03:27:31 AM  

Cheesus: They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.


Except that the BSA are kinda not a private organization since they benefit from government support.
 
2012-10-05 03:28:59 AM  

PsyLord: Sure. Time to revoke their tax exempt status and federal funding.


You know, if Romney really wants to save money by cutting minor items from the budget, maybe there's some other organization he could deep-six instead of PBS.
 
2012-10-05 03:35:39 AM  

cardex: Except most kids that make it egal start scouts in 2nd grade long before they think about sex at all so it's not a matter of not joining if your gay its them kicking out someone who worked 9 years


Being gay (or any other part of lbgtq) isn't necessarily about wanting to have sex with anyone. I knew I was bisexual in 4th grade. I wasn't thinking about having sex or even kissing anyone. I just knew in the 4th grade that you were supposed to like girls ONE way and like boys ANOTHER way and people thought it was bad and weird to like girls the same way you liked boys. I didn't know what "one way" and "another way" even WERE --- I just knew that they were supposed to be different somehow.
 
2012-10-05 03:44:25 AM  
When you earn Eagle Scout & enlist in the military don't you don't you automatically get a higher "rank" to Private First Class? Maybe it's time for that honor to be discontinued.
 
2012-10-05 03:47:15 AM  
On account of ongoing research in old newspapers on microfilm, I occasionally read Scouting columns that appeared in the mid-1930s.
All I can say is, Damn, you had to be smart just to earn merit badges back then!

Now, while I sympathize with the viewpoint of many who say It's a private group, stay away if you don't agree with their value set, I also believe in the dictum, "Those to whom much has been given, much is expected."

Meaning, Boy Scouts, you have a long and distinguished brand in which countless generations have place their trust and respect. Educated society now expects you not to slink off into the shadows of bigotry and ignorance, but to accept the demonstrable reality: Gays are not boogeymen and gay children are not defective, nor do they merit exclusion from your group. Anyone who interprets the Christian Bible as justifying otherwise is tragically wrong.
 
2012-10-05 03:47:38 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Weaver95:
not exactly the same sorts of organizations after all, are they?

I think the main branch, the Mormons themselves, offer the best comparison in this situation.

The Mormons buckled and accepted black people as human in 1978.
It will happen again with gays, but I think the Mormons and Catholics will be the last bulwarks against them.


The Official Declaration on blacks holding the priesthood was a pragmatic solution to a very real problem -- there weren't enough white priesthood holders to keep up with the explosive growth of the church in Brazil. It had nothing to do with civil rights or acceptance. The Mormons are going to be much more reluctant to accept homosexuality.

/gay
//ex-Mormon
///slashies are back in style
 
2012-10-05 03:50:40 AM  

Gyrfalcon: People suck. I'm moving to Mars.


No, not Mars. Boy Scouts Are From Mars, Girl Scouts Are From Venus. Find another planet.
 
2012-10-05 04:05:02 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers:
The Official Declaration on blacks holding the priesthood was a pragmatic solution to a very real problem -- there weren't enough white priesthood holders to keep up with the explosive growth of the church in Brazil. It had nothing to do with civil rights or acceptance. The Mormons are going to be much more reluctant to accept homosexuality.

/gay
//ex-Mormon
///slashies are back in style


Seriously? Damn, I need to read up on it. Thank you, sir.
Clever little hellspawn.
 
2012-10-05 04:07:03 AM  

WxGuy1: The problem, as others have stated above (and as the parent in TFA says), is that young CHILDREN join the cub scouts. These are 6-8 year olds who have no sexual feeling or identities.


Your point is valid, but just to nitpick. Children develop gender identity by age 3. Many transgender children identify as the opposite gender often from age two or three.. A significant percentage of homosexual (or bisexual) children at least have an inkling by age 10.

In my own personal experience, as I mentioned already in this thread, I knew by 4th grade. I probably knew on some level before then, but 4th grade is the earliest clear memory I have of needing to HIDE my sexual orientation from other people.

To give one example Bobby Montoya is a transgender girl who joined the Girl Scouts when she was 7 years old.
 
2012-10-05 04:10:59 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Keizer_Ghidorah:
God doesn't give a flying shiat about who you love and find attractive, why should we?

You speak for god?


That's ... kinda ironic coming from someone with the handle "God-is-a-Taco," you know.
 
2012-10-05 04:34:42 AM  
where is it declared which god they are referring to, and why isn't anyone challenging the board on it (least of all it forces them to do at least one of 2 things, 1- declare that they speak for god (which is blasphemous from what i recall in a few religions), 2- declare what type of religious type they are beholden to)?

cause who ever came up with the nail of "not doing your 'duty to god' via 'being gay'" just gave the person denied eagle scout status a rather massive hammer to seal that coffin.
 
2012-10-05 04:44:28 AM  

SuperTran: This same thing happened to me. Parents and church found out about teh gay a week before my board of review. Refused to recommend me for my Eagle.

/Damn Morons.


FTFY
 
2012-10-05 05:10:49 AM  
I was Cub scout and a boy scout and i am proud of that. but i am disgusted with the organization.
 
2012-10-05 05:31:23 AM  
Kingly Weevil
This makes me so sad because scouting was a program I enjoyed very much when I was a kid. At the time I of course didn't understand bigotry at the time, and never saw any examples of it myself while participating.

I just wish everyone could have the same great experiences that I had in it, and that the program would quit publicly shaming itself. This seriously makes me a little ashamed to be an Eagle Scout. I want to mail them my patch and tell them that I don't want it if he can't have his.

THIS. I didn't make eagle, but was order of the arrow and senior patrol leader. Had "speedy" (old gay guy) as one of the "leaders". Never made any moves. Being gay myself, before knowing what the f@ck then, all of us in summer camp did a jerk-off. See who is biggest. My god shortest guy was HUNG. As in jaw dropping BIG. Good thing I didn't have any tendencies back then...
 
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