Sylvia_Bandersnatch:
There's more to it than that, though. BSA groups also get off-book funding of a sort, in the form of free provisions from publicly-owned, taxpayer-funded facilities and resources. It's long been the practice in many communities, for example, to let the BSA use facilities such as public school spaces for free -- spaces that other non-profits would be asked to pay to use. That amounts to taxpayer support.

not really. I mean...consider all the effort the BSA puts into their local communities. again - everything from volunteer work to conservation efforts. VERY few other organizations do that for local communities. I think it's a wash as far as this talking point goes.

The Why Not Guy: Weaver95: the various scouting organizations put in literally hundreds of thousands of man hours (which translates to a couple billion $$$ a year in free labor)

How does hundreds of thousands of hours of labor = a couple of billion dollars? Let's say it's 500,000 hours... is their labor really worth $40 an hour?

Have you ever SEEN how much government contractors get paid!?

God-is-a-Taco: Keizer_Ghidorah:
God doesn't give a flying shiat about who you love and find attractive, why should we?

You speak for gGod?

/had he used the lowercase G, I wouldn't have bothered...
//bored

diaphoresis: God-is-a-Taco: Keizer_Ghidorah:
God doesn't give a flying shiat about who you love and find attractive, why should we?

You speak for gGod?

/had he used the lowercase G, I wouldn't have bothered...
//bored

Oh, right. That'll do, pig, that'll do.

stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: ah, so the BSA do have SOME differences from the KKK. lets go a bit further.

do the boy scouts organize gangs to go out and 'curb stomp' gays and minorities like the KKK does?

You can still be a hate group and not openly make use of physical violence to express your hate.

ooook, so there's a point of difference. the KKK goes out and uses physical threats and intimidation while the BSA...does what again exactly? oh, right...doesn't let gays join their reindeer games.

not exactly the same sorts of organizations after all, are they?

eddiesocket: Weaver95: And making life difficult for them seems kinda mean and petty...

Oh, farking Christ! Yes, let's all shed a tear for the poor bigoted BSA. Let's not be mean and petty by calling them out as the bigots they are.
Seriously, this "you must tolerate my intolerance" BS by conservatives all people (regardless of political allegience) never fails to amuse. We're not doing that anymore. Sorry. No more turning the other cheek.

Let the truth speak...

Keizer_Ghidorah: Oh, whoopee, they helped out nature. Gee, they did nice things for some people. I guess that means they're free to be assholes towards others as a form of reward or something.

I clean empty lots and help at soup kitchens, therefore I'm entitled to discriminate against Asians because they're not the same as me and I feel they're an affront to God and Jesus.


sorry man - the world isn't always black and white. you drive the BSA out of your local communities and well...you'll pay a price for it. actions, consequences, blah blah blah.

The Why Not Guy: Weaver95: Have you ever SEEN how much government contractors get paid!?

I don't see how that makes a Boy Scout's labor worth $4,000 per hour.

then talk to your elected officials about the fedgov and how they pay federal contractors.

Weaver95:
not exactly the same sorts of organizations after all, are they?

I think the main branch, the Mormons themselves, offer the best comparison in this situation.

The Mormons buckled and accepted black people as human in 1978.
It will happen again with gays, but I think the Mormons and Catholics will be the last bulwarks against them.

eddiesocket: Weaver95: Sylvia_Bandersnatch:
There's more to it than that, though. BSA groups also get off-book funding of a sort, in the form of free provisions from publicly-owned, taxpayer-funded facilities and resources. It's long been the practice in many communities, for example, to let the BSA use facilities such as public school spaces for free -- spaces that other non-profits would be asked to pay to use. That amounts to taxpayer support.

not really. I mean...consider all the effort the BSA puts into their local communities. again - everything from volunteer work to conservation efforts. VERY few other organizations do that for local communities. I think it's a wash as far as this talking point goes.

Well, we certainly can't argue with your solid stats.

it's 1am and f*ck you if think i'm gonna go wade thru google searches looking for verified stats on just how many man hours the BSA puts in per year on conservation work across the USA. short answer? lots. longer answer: HELL of a lot.

Keizer_Ghidorah:
Hey, he's not saying anything. Hasn't for 2,000 years or so. If he really cared about anything, you think he'd have voiced it by now. Of course it IS difficult for a fictional thing to actually speak.

/God said to stone people to death who eat shellfish, wear blended fabrics, and work on a certain day. Why would anyone with a heart and brain follow a monster like that?

Oh, okay. Good, good. You are on the side of humanity. Cheers.

The Why Not Guy: Weaver95: then talk to your elected officials about the fedgov and how they pay federal contractors.

What does that have to do with your claim that Boy Scout labor is worth $4,000 per hour? You're going to have to try a lot harder to change the subject.

are you really this f*cking stupid or do you just hate the fact that the BSA makes up rules that you don't like and cannot force them to change...?

short answer - the BSA puts in a LOT of free labor. quibble on the details if you'd like...but they put a lot of work into conservation projects and volunteer work. I'd say that MORE than earns them a couple of perks for their organization. hell, it's a bargain for the states with all that free labor.

eddiesocket: Weaver95: eddiesocket: Weaver95: Sylvia_Bandersnatch:
There's more to it than that, though. BSA groups also get off-book funding of a sort, in the form of free provisions from publicly-owned, taxpayer-funded facilities and resources. It's long been the practice in many communities, for example, to let the BSA use facilities such as public school spaces for free -- spaces that other non-profits would be asked to pay to use. That amounts to taxpayer support.

not really. I mean...consider all the effort the BSA puts into their local communities. again - everything from volunteer work to conservation efforts. VERY few other organizations do that for local communities. I think it's a wash as far as this talking point goes.

Well, we certainly can't argue with your solid stats.

it's 1am and f*ck you if think i'm gonna go wade thru google searches looking for verified stats on just how many man hours the BSA puts in per year on conservation work across the USA. short answer? lots. longer answer: HELL of a lot.

Argued like a true Teabagger. Except you should've said H-E-Double Hockey Sticks.

so you wanna take the position that the BSA doesn't put in a lot of time and effort with conservation efforts around the country? you REALLY wanna go that route?

well alrightie then. good luck with that.

The Why Not Guy: Weaver95: it's 1am and f*ck you if think i'm gonna go wade thru google searches looking for verified stats on just how many man hours the BSA puts in per year on conservation work across the USA. short answer? lots. longer answer: HELL of a lot.

Oh, so now you're admitting you have no idea what you're talking about, but f*ck us? Whatever.

oh I know exactly what i'm talking about...i'm just giving you my standard 'f*ck you, do your own research' reply I give everyone on fark.

eddiesocket:

He's completely spun out, defending the indefensible. "They pick up litter, who cares if they hate f*gs?" It's ridiculous.

I think this point of view is hilarious.

The Why Not Guy: Weaver95: are you really this f*cking stupid

You said: hundreds of thousands of hours of labor translates to a couple of billion dollars worth of value. Using 500,000 hours, that works out to $4,000 for each hour of labor.

That's your claim. And that makes me stupid?

pretty much, yeah.

rwfan: Rather than mailing in your eagle patch, which would be something that only the BSA would know about and would be easily ignored, you should make a public statement. The BSA claims that they ban gays because that is what their members want. If the members make it clear that that is not true then the BSA might change their policy.

I agree - turning away from the organization is not a recipe for changing it, if you want it changed. These guys mailing in their patches are like the people who threaten to leave the country every time the party they don't support takes power. If you are an Eagle Scout and you don't like this, the solution is to get active on some level and complain - repeatedly - and work to see to it that things change. But also, the Scouts needs people to help find solutions to a difficult problem.
Scouts has a problem with being a magnet for pedophiles, but the organization mistakenly equates pedophilia with homosexuality. Jerry Sandusky was married and so are a lot of pedos, so clearly the policy is missing the mark. Cases like this one, where a boy's childhood achievements are trampled upon are particularly sad and wrong and clearly misguided, IMO.
But even more sad and wrong are children victimized by predators. Scouting needs to figure out how to completely eliminate predators from its midst or it will surely enter the dustbin of history.