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2012-10-05 12:25:40 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Theaetetus: DrPainMD: No different from groups that are only open to gays.

Which of these cover up for their child rapist members?
Catholic Church
Boy Scouts of America
Log Cabin Republicans

/right... no difference...

You had me fooled. Really. All this time, I've thought you were kind of smart. Now I know better.


Are you accusing the Log Cabin Republicans of child rape?
Because they're a gay organization and not a religious one.
 
2012-10-05 12:25:57 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: Cheesus: They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.

DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business.

obamadidcoke: This is a private organization that is allowed to regulate it's membership.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Private organization. Right or wrong (I think it is wrong), they can do what they want.

OK, if they're a private organization, then cut off their government support so my taxes aren't helping run a hate group.


My point exactly.
 
2012-10-05 12:26:05 AM  
Why does anyone care about BSA, let them do what they do. An overwhelming number of Americans aprove to the mission of BSA, so get over it.
 
2012-10-05 12:27:45 AM  

DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business. No different from groups that are only open to gays. I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join. Unless you're against people living their lives the way they want, doing what they want to do and associating with who they want. In which case, you're just as bigoted and intolerant as they are.


FTA: Ryan, 17, came out in July. Andresen said the Scoutmaster knew about Ryan's sexual orientation and they had no idea he wouldn't sign off on the paperwork. It was "a total shock," she said, adding that Ryan was led all along to believe he would be able to get the award.

Here's an idea. If you know that someone is wasting their time, effort, and probably money working towards a goal that you won't allow them to achieve, how about you don't act like a spiteful piece of shiat and at least have the decency to tell them. It's disgusting enough when someone acts like that towards an adult, but towards a child that has placed their trust in you. That's just goddamn vile.
 
2012-10-05 12:27:48 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Private organization. Right or wrong (I think it is wrong), they can do what they want.

What is to stop gay (or GTLB) adult mentors and gay (or GTLB) teens from starting their OWN scouting organization? To busy whining?


Always fun to see OC guy posting.
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2012-10-05 12:27:57 AM  
I am an eagle scout, and this shiat makes me sick to my stomach. If he earned the badges and did the project, give him the damned rank. I had to fake God for 3 years for mine, and it was BS then. Give the kid a break.
 
2012-10-05 12:28:36 AM  

Abox: I'm tired of taking the right side so I'm going to take the wrong side.

Gay is a sin according to the bible. Groups should be commended for punishing the choice to sin. Choosing the sin of homosexuality has negative consequences as it ought to and as God intended. If we ever expect to get this country back on track we should support this action and not pander to the gay agenda.


Ignoring your reference to "choosing" (other than to ask if you care to cite this?), homosexuality is no more a sin than eating pork or shellfish, wearing clothes of mixed cloth (such as boy scout uniforms) or working on the Sabbath (so no weekend camps for boy scouts then). To be so selective about which bits of the bible you want to follow smacks strongly of simple bigotry. It's hypocrisy, not simply about the gay agenda (what the hell is the gay agenda anyway? Margaret Cho brilliantly identified it as "assless wedding gowns").
 
2012-10-05 12:28:41 AM  

Theaetetus: DrPainMD: No different from groups that are only open to gays.

Which of these cover up for their child rapist members?
Catholic Church
Boy Scouts of America
Log Cabin Republicans

/right... no difference...


This is what really set me off. I know that they're a private organization and they can do whatever the Fark they want.

But deriding gays by saying they can't be in the Scouts to "protect the Scouts" while simultaneously covering for Scoutmasters who diddled their Scouts is crossing the line for me.

I was shocked and disgusted when that report came out. But I've been through this sort of thing before...I'm a Catholic.
 
2012-10-05 12:28:42 AM  
I need to go back and visit the BSA camp I went to and later worked at, and see if the OA lodge is still there with the name of the dude that paid to have it built still on it.

/Everyone knew that dude was gay and didn't really care
//Not happy with the direction the BSA has gone lately
 
2012-10-05 12:29:30 AM  

Weaver95: well, yeah - I mean it's their club house, the BSA sets the rules on this one. If they say 'no gay eagle scouts' then they won't let anyone gay become an eagle scout. you might not like their rules...but you do have to respect the right of the BSA to set their own rules for their own membership.. don't like the rules, don't join the scouts.


I wonder if we'd see much outrage if the DOD was authorized by Congress to offer lend supplies, equipment and transportation to the KKK, gave special promotions to Grand High Wizards, helped KKK recruiting, and let them burn crosses on federal land...
 
2012-10-05 12:29:39 AM  

obamadidcoke: Why does anyone care about BSA, let them do what they do. An overwhelming number of Americans aprove to the mission of BSA, so get over it.


I don't know if I'd go THAT far. there's a fair number of people who don't like the BSA policy regarding homosexuality, and believe that one issue alone should bar the BSA from any sort of funding.
 
2012-10-05 12:29:48 AM  
Doesn't matter if anyone thinks being gay is good or bad or neutral. Lots of clubs and private organizations have rules and standards, about being gay, about gender, weight, age, marital status. Should I get pissed at the AARP or VFW for not accepting me because I don't meet the standards of their group? I can't belong to very many organizations because I'm poor. I probably couldn't adopt a child no matter how hard I try. I would not be able to get a mortgage. Should I (a) go around whining about it, or (b) suck it up and move on? Get a brain! Morans.
 
2012-10-05 12:30:10 AM  

Weaver95: And late Thursday, the Boy Scouts of America said in a statement that because of Andresen's sexual orientation and that he did not agree to Scouting's principle of "Duty to God," "he is no longer eligible for membership in Scouting."

well, yeah - I mean it's their club house, the BSA sets the rules on this one. If they say 'no gay eagle scouts' then they won't let anyone gay become an eagle scout. you might not like their rules...but you do have to respect the right of the BSA to set their own rules for their own membership.. don't like the rules, don't join the scouts.


The problem, as others have stated above (and as the parent in TFA says), is that young CHILDREN join the cub scouts. These are 6-8 year olds who have no sexual feeling or identities. How in the world are these children supposed to know that they are unwelcomed? I agree that a private organization can set their own membership criteria, but do you really think children know, at the time, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual and, thus, comply with this unwritten membership rule? Cmon...

Maybe the scout should have just stayed in the closet until after he received the Eagle Scout status, but what a terribly shiatty choice. He spent years in the Boy Scouts, and he's supposed to abandon it because he's learned that he's gay? Again, for an adult, that's fine, but these are kids for crying out loud. Certainly there should be lessons that should be taught to children that do not include" if you like penis, you should be ashamed for thinking you can a Boy Scout".
 
2012-10-05 12:31:15 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: well, yeah - I mean it's their club house, the BSA sets the rules on this one. If they say 'no gay eagle scouts' then they won't let anyone gay become an eagle scout. you might not like their rules...but you do have to respect the right of the BSA to set their own rules for their own membership.. don't like the rules, don't join the scouts.

I wonder if we'd see much outrage if the DOD was authorized by Congress to offer lend supplies, equipment and transportation to the KKK, gave special promotions to Grand High Wizards, helped KKK recruiting, and let them burn crosses on federal land...


because the BSA is *exactly* like the KKK, right?
 
2012-10-05 12:31:17 AM  

Alonjar: HOWEVER... you cant deny the elephant in the room in regards to gay scout masters/elders. While it sucks to paint innocent gays with such a tainted brush, I can understand the concerns of parents with leaving their children under the supervision of gay adults who actively seek interaction with little boys. Its just... sketchy. The boy scouts of america have an image to keep up, and saying "leave your little boy with gay uncle jimmy!" just leaves a bad taste in most peoples mouths.


I hope you're trolling.

Or were you in a cave when this investigation from the LA Times came out?
 
2012-10-05 12:31:28 AM  

firefly212: DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business. No different from groups that are only open to gays. I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join. Unless you're against people living their lives the way they want, doing what they want to do and associating with who they want. In which case, you're just as bigoted and intolerant as they are.

I would love to unjoin the BSA, but my taxes still go towards them having free meeting places in buildings I pay for, the state will not let me unjoin their tax structure, nor will the BSA, for all it's talk of how private it is, actually cough up market rate values to build or rent it's own places. Farkin welfare queens.


That's okay 55% of Americans don't approve of their tax dollars being used for abortions, but they are. I don't like the fact that my tax dollars go to buy missiles and bombs that are used to murder civilians in Afghanistan but I can't opt out.

Social contract, get over it.
 
2012-10-05 12:31:31 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: Cheesus: They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.

DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business.

obamadidcoke: This is a private organization that is allowed to regulate it's membership.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Private organization. Right or wrong (I think it is wrong), they can do what they want.

OK, if they're a private organization, then cut off their government support so my taxes aren't helping run a hate group.


I agree 100%. Even if the DID accept gays, the government has no farking business giving money to any private organization. Yes, that includes corporate welfare.
 
2012-10-05 12:31:41 AM  

Shadyman: Big Dave: /Kicked out as a Weebalo for attracting bears to the camp

Sounds like there's a story behind that.


There was some sort of week-long jamboree or something at Silver Lake or Clear Lake or some other Lake out in eastern California. I had to google it to see how old I was - 4th or 5th grade. It was great; first time away from mom, breakfast with 500 other boys in the morning, hikes out to cliffs where the older boys found deep water so we could we dive into the lake, huge bonfires and funny skits at night, and then sleeping in my own cold little tent alone. And archery! I was really looking forward to that.

Anyway they said "Don't leave food out anywhere or you will attract bears". But there was a sort of camp store that sold candy and I had a $30 credit (a fortune in 1989). So for some reason (listening to the destructive impulse in all boys) I threw bits of food everywhere and even squirted toothpaste on trees (out of the line of site of the camp) in the hopes that bears would come. And the bears came. And it's been more than 20 years so I don't remember exactly how I was caught, but I do remember being picked up and the looong drive home and I never made it to the goddamn archery range.

(also, when was 8 years old, at an under-the-stars campout where we slept in just our sleeping bags with no tents, I had to leave after the first night because mosquitos ate my face. Mom had to pick me up from that event too, and she cried when she saw my misshapen, swollen head. Today she would have sued lol)

/has done ok in life despite incomplete scouting skills
//also, another long story short; their religious indoctrination failed and I was an atheist from age 10 on
///slashies come in threes
 
2012-10-05 12:32:17 AM  

Weaver95: because the BSA is *exactly* like the KKK, right?


Bigotry is bigotry. One group gets a pass because they do camp-outs?
 
2012-10-05 12:32:30 AM  

Kingly Weevil: This makes me so sad because scouting was a program I enjoyed very much when I was a kid. At the time I of course didn't understand bigotry at the time, and never saw any examples of it myself while participating.

I just wish everyone could have the same great experiences that I had in it, and that the program would quit publicly shaming itself. This seriously makes me a little ashamed to be an Eagle Scout. I want to mail them my patch and tell them that I don't want it if he can't have his.


If you really mean it: Link
 
2012-10-05 12:33:19 AM  

WxGuy1:

The problem, as others have stated above (and as the parent in TFA says), is that young CHILDREN join the cub scouts. These are 6-8 year olds who have no sexual feeling or identities. How in the world are these children supposed to know that they are unwelcomed? I agree that a private organization can set their own membership criteria, but do you really think children know, at the time, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual and, thus, comply with this unwritten membership rule? Cmon...

Maybe the scout should have just stayed in the closet until after he received the Eagle Scout status, but what a terribly shiatty choice. He spent years in the Boy Scouts, and he's supposed to abandon it because he's learned that he's gay? Again, for an adult, that's fine, but these are kids for crying out loud. Certainly there should be lessons that should be taught to children that do not include" if you like penis, you should be ashamed for thinking you can a Boy Scout".


I didn't say their policies had to make sense or that you had to like them. I said that the BSA gets to set their policies for their membership. don't like it, don't join the organization. And by the way, feel free to complain about it endlessly. But...ya can't outlaw the BSA just 'cause you don't like 'em. And making life difficult for them seems kinda mean and petty...but hey, if that's what floats yer boat then have at it.
 
2012-10-05 12:34:13 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: because the BSA is *exactly* like the KKK, right?

Bigotry is bigotry. One group gets a pass because they do camp-outs?


so you really, honestly believe that the Boy Scouts are in all ways identical to the KKK? that's what yer going with here?
 
2012-10-05 12:34:40 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: because the BSA is *exactly* like the KKK, right?

Bigotry is bigotry. One group gets a pass because they do camp-outs?


Can't we let the warmth of the bonfires bring us together?
 
2012-10-05 12:36:20 AM  

Weaver95: so you really, honestly believe that the Boy Scouts are in all ways identical to the KKK? that's what yer going with here?


I never said "in all ways". In the particular way called "being a hate group" I would say they are the same, apart from their targets.
 
2012-10-05 12:36:55 AM  

DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business. No different from groups that are only open to gays. I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join. Unless you're against people living their lives the way they want, doing what they want to do and associating with who they want. In which case, you're just as bigoted and intolerant as they are.


Private organizations are immune from criticism? Huh?

Calling out bigotry is not bigotry. Seriously. You're an idiot.
And there are no groups "only open to gays".
 
2012-10-05 12:36:55 AM  

Kingly Weevil: This makes me so sad because scouting was a program I enjoyed very much when I was a kid. At the time I of course didn't understand bigotry at the time, and never saw any examples of it myself while participating.

I just wish everyone could have the same great experiences that I had in it, and that the program would quit publicly shaming itself. This seriously makes me a little ashamed to be an Eagle Scout. I want to mail them my patch and tell them that I don't want it if he can't have his.


Rather than mailing in your eagle patch, which would be something that only the BSA would know about and would be easily ignored, you should make a public statement. The BSA claims that they ban gays because that is what their members want. If the members make it clear that that is not true then the BSA might change their policy.
 
2012-10-05 12:37:11 AM  
Another Eagle Scout here who is thoroughly disgusted with today's BSA.

Fark you and your magic underwear, Mormons. Take your idiot theology, written by a convicted felon scam artist, and shove it.

The Scouts have taken a lot of knocks, but aside from the Christian nightsoil, the organization is good. We did a lot of backpacking and went on long-term hikes of 7-10 days in the summer in the high Sierras.

You learned basic survival, got to run around the woods with your friends and it was a good time.

We had good leaders, too. All the adults were professionals. A doctor was almost always on the hikes, some lawyers, and lots of engineers. The engineers were cool. A few of them worked on military satellites who knew a ridiculous amount about the stars. They'd tell us around the campfire and they'd also pick out satellites and could tell if they were Soviet or US based on the orbit and how fast they rotated.

Homosexuality never came up. There were probably a few gays, but it wasn't a problem and I don't think they would have been thrown out. Also, most of the troop were non-believers. That didn't come up, either.

Anyhow, I got a lot of the Scouts. I just wish it wasn't so farked up.

No, I'm not giving them a cent or a minute of volunteer work until they knock off the horsepoop.
 
2012-10-05 12:37:13 AM  
As an Eagle Scout and Order of the Arrow member myself (got em about 25 years ago), I agree with most of the thoughts here.

Just cuz he likes sucking Richard, doesn't mean the poor boy should be denied his Eagle.

Daymnit Scouts.... Get your head outta your arse.

shiate likes this makes me ashamed I was once a proud member of the Boy Scouts of America.
 
2012-10-05 12:37:22 AM  
Not sure that they get direct government funding.

http://www.scouting.org/About/FactSheets/Funding.aspx
 
2012-10-05 12:37:40 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: because the BSA is *exactly* like the KKK, right?

Bigotry is bigotry. One group gets a pass because they do camp-outs?

Can't we let the warmth of the bonfires bring us together?


Why bring Hitler into this?
 
2012-10-05 12:37:41 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: so you really, honestly believe that the Boy Scouts are in all ways identical to the KKK? that's what yer going with here?

I never said "in all ways". In the particular way called "being a hate group" I would say they are the same, apart from their targets.


ah, so the BSA do have SOME differences from the KKK. lets go a bit further.

do the boy scouts organize gangs to go out and 'curb stomp' gays and minorities like the KKK does?
 
2012-10-05 12:38:04 AM  

Weaver95: well, yeah - I mean it's their club house, the BSA sets the rules on this one. If they say 'no gay eagle scouts' then they won't let anyone gay become an eagle scout. you might not like their rules...but you do have to respect the right of the BSA to set their own rules for their own membership.. don't like the rules, don't join the scouts.


The problem with your "logic" is that the Federal and local Governments give all kinds of in-kind support to the Scouts at taxpayer expense, ranging from free meeting spaces in schools to open houses in police and fire departments to the Department of Defense spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to help run the Jamboree.

If the Scouts want to exclude gays, fine. But why should taxpayers subsidize a group that discriminates?
 
2012-10-05 12:38:24 AM  
Should just change their name to the Straight Boy Scouts and be done with it. SBS, even has a nice ring to it. or Straight Non-Atheist Boy Scouts and call themsekves SNABS. Even better ring. Disgusting bunch of disgraces to the human race. Any of you people actively involved or have children actively involved should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
2012-10-05 12:38:44 AM  

Weaver95: And late Thursday, the Boy Scouts of America said in a statement that because of Andresen's sexual orientation and that he did not agree to Scouting's principle of "Duty to God," "he is no longer eligible for membership in Scouting."

well, yeah - I mean it's their club house, the BSA sets the rules on this one. If they say 'no gay eagle scouts' then they won't let anyone gay become an eagle scout. you might not like their rules...but you do have to respect the right of the BSA to set their own rules for their own membership.. don't like the rules, don't join the scouts.


Since most of them join the scouts before they ever think about sexuality, how does that work? Why should they be punished for being born the way they are?

God doesn't give a flying shiat about who you love and find attractive, why should we?
 
2012-10-05 12:38:51 AM  
obamadidcoke: This is a private organization that is allowed to regulate it's membership. If you disagree with their views on homosexuality don't join. I don't understand why a gay kid would join anyway.

I keep reading variations on this "Boy Scouts are a private organization" meme, even though the fact that they were chartered by congress and receive federal tax money has been mentioned several times in this thread already. Do you guys just not read, or are you trying to drown out reality with your homophobe-supporting bullsh#t?
 
2012-10-05 12:39:27 AM  

Weaver95: WxGuy1:

The problem, as others have stated above (and as the parent in TFA says), is that young CHILDREN join the cub scouts. These are 6-8 year olds who have no sexual feeling or identities. How in the world are these children supposed to know that they are unwelcomed? I agree that a private organization can set their own membership criteria, but do you really think children know, at the time, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual and, thus, comply with this unwritten membership rule? Cmon...

Maybe the scout should have just stayed in the closet until after he received the Eagle Scout status, but what a terribly shiatty choice. He spent years in the Boy Scouts, and he's supposed to abandon it because he's learned that he's gay? Again, for an adult, that's fine, but these are kids for crying out loud. Certainly there should be lessons that should be taught to children that do not include" if you like penis, you should be ashamed for thinking you can a Boy Scout".

I didn't say their policies had to make sense or that you had to like them. I said that the BSA gets to set their policies for their membership. don't like it, don't join the organization. And by the way, feel free to complain about it endlessly. But...ya can't outlaw the BSA just 'cause you don't like 'em. And making life difficult for them seems kinda mean and petty...but hey, if that's what floats yer boat then have at it.


Where did I say that I want to "outlaw the BSA"?! I'm expressing frustration that such policies exist in 2012 (just as I would have if I lived in the 1950s and saw racial discrimination first hand). I even said that they have every right to exist (just as the KKK does), but I also have a right to express my dissatisfaction with the inequality being shown by the BSA regarding something that the members don't know about and don't care about when they join (that is, sexual orientation).
 
2012-10-05 12:39:39 AM  
Count me as a disgruntled Eagle.

My troop had a scout who was gay. And more than a couple of us who didn't care for the God part. Most of us did reach Eagle.

Everybody knew, nobody cared. I like to think that troops like mine still exist out there.

For now, I'll cross my fingers and put some hope in Stephenson and Turley
 
2012-10-05 12:39:48 AM  

Weaver95: brigid_fitch: Whenever I see the BSA peddling their popcorn outside a store, I REALLY want to go off on the parents who are there w/the kids. Happy to know you're actively promoting a homophobic organization, folks! But that's unfair to the kids. They don't know and are too young to care. All I can hope is that eventually they'll wake the fark up and either campaign to change the rule or quit in protest & start their own, inclusive organization.

I don't know why you'd care in the first place. you don't have to like the BSA 'no gays' rule but it's their club house...they can make up whatever rules they want for their membership. SCOTUS even said so.


So...no one is allowed to call them out or criticize them?
 
2012-10-05 12:43:05 AM  

Kingly Weevil: This makes me so sad because scouting was a program I enjoyed very much when I was a kid. At the time I of course didn't understand bigotry at the time, and never saw any examples of it myself while participating.

I just wish everyone could have the same great experiences that I had in it, and that the program would quit publicly shaming itself. This seriously makes me a little ashamed to be an Eagle Scout. I want to mail them my patch and tell them that I don't want it if he can't have his.


Send it in quickly. It's Boy Scouts, not Homo Scouts...
 
2012-10-05 12:43:44 AM  
On May 15, 2008 the House of Representatives passed H.R. 5872, an act "To require the Secretary of the Treasury to mint coins in commemoration of the centennial of the Boy Scouts of America, and for other purposes." The sale of the coins by the Secretary of the Treasury includes a surcharge on each coin sold to "be paid to the National Boy Scouts of America Foundation." In other words, this is a Congressionally mandated fundraiser for the Boy Scouts.

Congress is raising money for the Boy Scouts. I'd say that makes it my business.
 
2012-10-05 12:44:24 AM  

GleeUnit: What's this about the Mormons?

/Honest question



The LDS church is a major sponsor of Scout troops in the US. How close the relationship really is, I don't know.
 
2012-10-05 12:44:35 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Kingly Weevil: I just wish everyone could have the same great experiences that I had in it, and that the program would quit publicly shaming itself. This seriously makes me a little ashamed to be an Eagle Scout. I want to mail them my patch and tell them that I don't want it if he can't have his.

All of this.

/Former Eagle Scout
//Completely disgusted with the way the organization is acting


I hope you both turn in your Eagle insignia and let the BSA know why.
 
2012-10-05 12:44:53 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Weaver95: well, yeah - I mean it's their club house, the BSA sets the rules on this one. If they say 'no gay eagle scouts' then they won't let anyone gay become an eagle scout. you might not like their rules...but you do have to respect the right of the BSA to set their own rules for their own membership.. don't like the rules, don't join the scouts.

The problem with your "logic" is that the Federal and local Governments give all kinds of in-kind support to the Scouts at taxpayer expense, ranging from free meeting spaces in schools to open houses in police and fire departments to the Department of Defense spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to help run the Jamboree.

If the Scouts want to exclude gays, fine. But why should taxpayers subsidize a group that discriminates?


well, for starters - the BSA put in a LOT of time and effort to maintain state and federal game lands and parks. if you want to put a price tag on it, the various scouting organizations put in literally hundreds of thousands of man hours (which translates to a couple billion $$$ a year in free labor) cleaning up parks, assisting in conservation efforts and working on upgrades and standard maintenance at every level of the park system. cut the BSA off from that and wanna guess what happens next? it won't be good for the parks, I can tell you that much. Careful where you go with this sort of logic. it'll bite ya in the ass faster than you realize.

I get that you don't like the BSA policies on homosexuality. hey, that's great. diversity right? But even if you don't like the scouting organization's rules on homosexuality, don't forget that they still manage to do a helluva lot of good for their local communities. everything from conservation to volunteer work. you start cutting the scouts out of society then you'll end up hurting all the people the scouts have helped. you really wanna cut your nose off to spite your face? is that a trade off you're willing to make?
 
2012-10-05 12:45:46 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah:
God doesn't give a flying shiat about who you love and find attractive, why should we?


You speak for god?
 
2012-10-05 12:45:53 AM  

eddiesocket: Weaver95: brigid_fitch: Whenever I see the BSA peddling their popcorn outside a store, I REALLY want to go off on the parents who are there w/the kids. Happy to know you're actively promoting a homophobic organization, folks! But that's unfair to the kids. They don't know and are too young to care. All I can hope is that eventually they'll wake the fark up and either campaign to change the rule or quit in protest & start their own, inclusive organization.

I don't know why you'd care in the first place. you don't have to like the BSA 'no gays' rule but it's their club house...they can make up whatever rules they want for their membership. SCOTUS even said so.

So...no one is allowed to call them out or criticize them?


sure thing! have at it!
 
2012-10-05 12:46:36 AM  

Cataholic: Aussie_As: "Financial resources for the local council (the local nonprofit corporation chartered by the National Council) come from local United Ways, Sustaining Members, foundations, special events, project sales, investment income, trust funds, bequests, and gifts of real and personal property." So while some of the funds for the Boy Scouts come from dues and fees paid by members and their families, a large percentage of these funds are paid by taxpayers."

None of these sources of income are taxpayer funds.


There's more to it than that, though. BSA groups also get off-book funding of a sort, in the form of free provisions from publicly-owned, taxpayer-funded facilities and resources. It's long been the practice in many communities, for example, to let the BSA use facilities such as public school spaces for free -- spaces that other non-profits would be asked to pay to use. That amounts to taxpayer support.
 
2012-10-05 12:47:56 AM  

Weaver95: the various scouting organizations put in literally hundreds of thousands of man hours (which translates to a couple billion $$$ a year in free labor)


How does hundreds of thousands of hours of labor = a couple of billion dollars? Let's say it's 500,000 hours... is their labor really worth $40 an hour?
 
2012-10-05 12:48:11 AM  

Weaver95: well, for starters - the BSA put in a LOT of time and effort to maintain state and federal game lands and parks. if you want to put a price tag on it, the various scouting organizations put in literally hundreds of thousands of man hours (which translates to a couple billion $$$ a year in free labor) cleaning up parks, assisting in conservation efforts and working on upgrades and standard maintenance at every level of the park system. cut the BSA off from that and wanna guess what happens next? it won't be good for the parks, I can tell you that much. Careful where you go with this sort of logic. it'll bite ya in the ass faster than you realize.


Take the taxpayer money that's going to the Boy Scouts and create some damn JOBS cleaning up the parks.
 
2012-10-05 12:48:16 AM  

Weaver95: And making life difficult for them seems kinda mean and petty...


Oh, farking Christ! Yes, let's all shed a tear for the poor bigoted BSA. Let's not be mean and petty by calling them out as the bigots they are.
Seriously, this "you must tolerate my intolerance" BS by conservatives never fails to amuse. We're not doing that anymore. Sorry. No more turning the other cheek.
 
2012-10-05 12:48:55 AM  

Weaver95: ah, so the BSA do have SOME differences from the KKK. lets go a bit further.

do the boy scouts organize gangs to go out and 'curb stomp' gays and minorities like the KKK does?


You can still be a hate group and not openly make use of physical violence to express your hate.
 
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