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2012-10-05 12:04:53 AM

DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business. No different from groups that are only open to gays. I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join. Unless you're against people living their lives the way they want, doing what they want to do and associating with who they want. In which case, you're just as bigoted and intolerant as they are.


Newsletter, etc.
 
2012-10-05 12:05:37 AM
Your powers of retention, are as wet as a warthog's backside

Thick as you are, pay attention, even you can't be caught unaware

BE PREPARED!
 
2012-10-05 12:05:41 AM

reaperducer: Don't believe in what the Scouts believe? Then don't join.


I thought the Scouts believed in covering up tens of thousands of instances of child rape. Simply "not joining" doesn't seem to be enough of a response.
 
2012-10-05 12:07:08 AM

Gyrfalcon: Cheesus: They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.

/still, fark those guys

But do they have to make THIS rule?

In 2012? Really?


Again, it's a religious organization. If it modernized it's no longer religious.
 
2012-10-05 12:07:40 AM

DrPainMD: No different from groups that are only open to gays.


Which of these cover up for their child rapist members?
Catholic Church
Boy Scouts of America
Log Cabin Republicans

/right... no difference...
 
2012-10-05 12:09:07 AM
Stop joining organizations like this, stop supporting organizations that support them. When people join them, donate money to them, buy goods that support them, etc. it tells them that people approve of their policies

Even if a boycott doesn't hurt them or does't cause them to change their ways, it's still better then supporting an organization that behaves like this.
 
2012-10-05 12:09:20 AM
And now the BSA will never get any money or support from me. I'm ashamed that I was ever part of that organization.
 
2012-10-05 12:09:26 AM
A Scout is:

Trustworthy,
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obedient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean,
and Reverent. 

"Straight" notably absent......
 
2012-10-05 12:09:37 AM
He has a really cool uniform and he's 17 and gay so he won't have any trouble joining an alternative organization. NAMBLA is still recruiting and would take him in an instant. I'm just not sure if they'd bring him back.
 
2012-10-05 12:09:50 AM
Everybody just needs to calm down and use a little common sense. The "Boy Scouts Of America" should be allowed to continue business as usual as long as they incorperate a new division of their group, called "The Sissy Boys Of America". Instead of teaching them survival skills they would teach them how to suck d*ck and make samiches.
 
2012-10-05 12:09:50 AM

Kingly Weevil: This makes me so sad because scouting was a program I enjoyed very much when I was a kid. At the time I of course didn't understand bigotry at the time, and never saw any examples of it myself while participating.

I just wish everyone could have the same great experiences that I had in it, and that the program would quit publicly shaming itself. This seriously makes me a little ashamed to be an Eagle Scout. I want to mail them my patch and tell them that I don't want it if he can't have his.


This. And me too.
 
2012-10-05 12:10:02 AM

DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business. No different from groups that are only open to gays. I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join. Unless you're against people living their lives the way they want, doing what they want to do and associating with who they want. In which case, you're just as bigoted and intolerant as they are.



Except most kids that make it egal start scouts in 2nd grade long before they think about sex at all so it's not a matter of not joining if your gay its them kicking out someone who worked 9 years
 
2012-10-05 12:10:31 AM

Cheesus: Gyrfalcon: Cheesus: They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.

/still, fark those guys

But do they have to make THIS rule?

In 2012? Really?

I live in a state that overwhelmingly banned gay marriage. A majority of the US just doesn't like homosexuals. Give it another 10-20 years.


So I guess by the same logic they can ban blacks, browns, reds, poors, retards...and nobody will care because they're a private organization and they've got a good reason for it, right? Just wait another X amount of years?

People suck. I'm moving to Mars.
 
2012-10-05 12:10:51 AM
Tom Lehrer is a favorite of mine around christmas
 
2012-10-05 12:12:49 AM

DrPainMD: I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join.


I have another great idea: Don't try to take organizations that were established to accept, bolster and encourage youngsters from vastly different backgrounds to share common and noble codes and ideal, to be self-reliant leaders and fine citizens, and turn them into hateful taxpayer-supported bigoted religious propaganda mills.

Just a thought, you goddam dicks.
 
2012-10-05 12:13:04 AM

The Saturday Night Massacre: A Scout is:

Friendly,
Unique,
Courteous,
Kind,
Youthful,
Obedient,
United,
Ready,
Knowledgeable,
Intelligent,
Dutiful, and
Smart. 

 
2012-10-05 12:13:18 AM
Could this be a little more poorly written? I was able to get most of what it was trying to say, but it was an annoying read. And now I'm also convinced that a lot of jobless people were editors just a few years ago.
 
2012-10-05 12:13:44 AM
I'm sure this kid knew the consequences of coming out of the closet. He stood up in the face of bigotry and announced to the world he is a homosexual. He's proven he's stronger and more confident than any Eagle Scout. Good for him for not being intimidated by some antiquated organization from the early 20th century. If I could give him his Eagle Scout badge, I would.
 
2012-10-05 12:14:03 AM

Theaetetus: The Saturday Night Massacre: A Scout is:

Friendly,
Unique,
Courteous,
Kind,
Youthful,
Obedient,
United,
Ready,
Knowledgeable,
Intelligent,
Dutiful, and
Smart.


But only the girls, right?
 
2012-10-05 12:14:16 AM
And as members of this private organization (assuming a few other here are) we can continue to talk shiat, openly discuss in the community why we despise what they are doing, donate money to groups opposed to their stupid bigotry, and steer others towards organizations that are not child hating monsters. I realize you are just trolling but your point is made well, assuming these farkers were trying to join the Boy Scouts.


I do not turn my card so that I can actively represent myself in my community as an Eagle Scout who thinks the Boy Scouts have become a private hate group instead of the upstanding organization it once was.

All my Scoutmasters told me to lie about the whole stupid god thing. All of them. In two different troops. As a teenager, that is when I learned adults, even the ones I look up to, lie all the time in important situations.

Discrimination, public or private, is a big deal.
 
2012-10-05 12:14:46 AM
Read this and compare how many of these are homosexual vs heterosexual occurrences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting_sex_abuse_cases
I'm sorry, but older men on boys does bring bad attention down on homosexuality.
You can say it's not the same thing, but same gender on same gender fits the definition.
I don't mean to upset anyone, but I refuse to ignore reality just because it is hurtful or not how I wish.
 
2012-10-05 12:15:10 AM

pedrop357: Theaetetus: The Saturday Night Massacre: A Scout is:

Friendly,
Unique,
Courteous,
Kind,
Youthful,
Obedient,
United,
Ready,
Knowledgeable,
Intelligent,
Dutiful, and
Smart.

But only the girls, right?


If you're a scout leader, the boys too.
 
2012-10-05 12:15:38 AM
This is a private organization that is allowed to regulate it's membership. If you disagree with their views on homosexuality don't join. I don't understand why a gay kid would join anyway.
 
2012-10-05 12:15:40 AM

AbbeySomeone: I participated in Camp Fire Girls in the 60's and 70's. I hear that they have changed to include everyone, I learned this from a gay male coworker.
Hmmm.


Holy cats, I thought I was the only one who'd ever been a Campfire Girl. In 40 years, you're literally the second Campfire Girl (outside of the 8 girls in my troop) I've ever met. I think my mother enrolled me because they met at our church and she was too lazy to find a Girl Scout troop.

4 years later, the den mother who ran my troop moved & a Girl Scout troop started at the church. My sister belonged to that.

/I think I only got as high as Bluejay or something--whatever was the 2nd level--before the den mother moved. Really can't remember
 
2012-10-05 12:16:13 AM
Private organization. Right or wrong (I think it is wrong), they can do what they want.

What is to stop gay (or GTLB) adult mentors and gay (or GTLB) teens from starting their OWN scouting organization? To busy whining?
 
2012-10-05 12:16:16 AM

DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy ScoutsThe KKK isn't open to gaysblacks. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business. No different from groups that are only open to gaysblacks. I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join. Unless you're against people living their lives the way they want, doing what they want to do and associating with who they want. In which case, you're just as bigoted and intolerant as they are.


How does that sound? Sure, I and many support the right of the KKK to exist, we also are enraged when they do something showing blatant bigotry.
You don't see why people would be upset about it? As noted by others (and in TFA), this kid started at a very young age, well before he knew he was gay. From the sounds of it, he would have received the Eagle Scout he so deserved by meeting all written requirements if he had been with another troop or in another part of the country. You don't see why people don't think this is right? This is an organization for kids -- why the heck does sexual orientation have anything to do with it? Is the Boy Scouts of America banning homosexual teens or not?
 
2012-10-05 12:16:31 AM
I wish they could freeze my body for 100 years and then I can wake up and live out my life after all the religious bigots have died off. We might have flying cars by then too.
 
2012-10-05 12:17:14 AM
For the record, I support peoples right to be gay.. if that does it for you, good for you.

HOWEVER... you cant deny the elephant in the room in regards to gay scout masters/elders. While it sucks to paint innocent gays with such a tainted brush, I can understand the concerns of parents with leaving their children under the supervision of gay adults who actively seek interaction with little boys. Its just... sketchy. The boy scouts of america have an image to keep up, and saying "leave your little boy with gay uncle jimmy!" just leaves a bad taste in most peoples mouths.

I'm not homophobic.. but theres just certain things people wont be comfortable with, and this is one of them. The risk of damaging the reputation of the boy scouts in the same fashion as the Catholic church is too large for them to bear, and I understand.

I'm not saying its right... but I understand.
 
2012-10-05 12:17:41 AM

WxGuy1: DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy ScoutsThe KKK isn't open to gaysblacks. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business. No different from groups that are only open to gaysblacks. I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join. Unless you're against people living their lives the way they want, doing what they want to do and associating with who they want. In which case, you're just as bigoted and intolerant as they are.

How does that sound? Sure, I and many support the right of the KKK to exist, we also are enraged when they do something showing blatant bigotry.
You don't see why people would be upset about it? As noted by others (and in TFA), this kid started at a very young age, well before he knew he was gay. From the sounds of it, he would have received the Eagle Scout he so deserved by meeting all written requirements if he had been with another troop or in another part of the country. You don't see why people don't think this is right? This is an organization for kids -- why the heck does sexual orientation have anything to do with it? Is the Boy Scouts of America banning homosexual teens or not?


The KKK is open to black members. The problem is that the membership rules are extremely strict and most blacks can't make the cut.
 
2012-10-05 12:17:43 AM
I'm tired of taking the right side so I'm going to take the wrong side.

Gay is a sin according to the bible. Groups should be commended for punishing the choice to sin. Choosing the sin of homosexuality has negative consequences as it ought to and as God intended. If we ever expect to get this country back on track we should support this action and not pander to the gay agenda.
 
2012-10-05 12:17:45 AM

reaperducer: Don't believe in what the Scouts believe? Then don't join.


You're right. Those 6 year olds who could care less about anything sexual because they're largely devoid of sexual feelings should know they're gay and not join Cub Scouts.
 
2012-10-05 12:18:39 AM
17 and too openly gay for the Boy Scouts.

Awesome.

Top or bottom?
 
2012-10-05 12:18:52 AM

DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business. No different from groups that are only open to gays. I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join. Unless you're against people living their lives the way they want, doing what they want to do and associating with who they want. In which case, you're just as bigoted and intolerant as they are.


I would love to unjoin the BSA, but my taxes still go towards them having free meeting places in buildings I pay for, the state will not let me unjoin their tax structure, nor will the BSA, for all it's talk of how private it is, actually cough up market rate values to build or rent it's own places. Farkin welfare queens.
 
2012-10-05 12:18:54 AM

Gyrfalcon: Cheesus: They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.

/still, fark those guys

But do they have to make THIS rule?

In 2012? Really?


The argument could just as easily be made that the kid knew he'd get kicked out because he wasn't following the rules. So why did he bother working towards the goal in the first place?
 
2012-10-05 12:20:07 AM
bfd. my friend got his eagle scout badge for organizing little kids to paint picnic tables in the park.

FFS if it was something really earned, and not thought up on the way to the meeting where the deadline for submitting your idea was set...maybe it would be important.
 
2012-10-05 12:20:10 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: WxGuy1: DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy ScoutsThe KKK isn't open to gaysblacks. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business. No different from groups that are only open to gaysblacks. I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join. Unless you're against people living their lives the way they want, doing what they want to do and associating with who they want. In which case, you're just as bigoted and intolerant as they are.

How does that sound? Sure, I and many support the right of the KKK to exist, we also are enraged when they do something showing blatant bigotry.
You don't see why people would be upset about it? As noted by others (and in TFA), this kid started at a very young age, well before he knew he was gay. From the sounds of it, he would have received the Eagle Scout he so deserved by meeting all written requirements if he had been with another troop or in another part of the country. You don't see why people don't think this is right? This is an organization for kids -- why the heck does sexual orientation have anything to do with it? Is the Boy Scouts of America banning homosexual teens or not?

The KKK is open to black members. The problem is that the membership rules are extremely strict and most blacks can't make the cut.


...paper bag test?
 
2012-10-05 12:20:10 AM
Whenever I see the BSA peddling their popcorn outside a store, I REALLY want to go off on the parents who are there w/the kids. Happy to know you're actively promoting a homophobic organization, folks! But that's unfair to the kids. They don't know and are too young to care. All I can hope is that eventually they'll wake the fark up and either campaign to change the rule or quit in protest & start their own, inclusive organization.
 
2012-10-05 12:20:44 AM

scottydoesntknow: Kingly Weevil: This makes me so sad because scouting was a program I enjoyed very much when I was a kid. At the time I of course didn't understand bigotry at the time, and never saw any examples of it myself while participating.

I just wish everyone could have the same great experiences that I had in it, and that the program would quit publicly shaming itself. This seriously makes me a little ashamed to be an Eagle Scout. I want to mail them my patch and tell them that I don't want it if he can't have his.

All of this.

/Former Eagle Scout
//Completely disgusted with the way the organization is acting


THIS X 1000!

/Former and disgruntled Eagle Scout
 
2012-10-05 12:20:59 AM

Alonjar: For the record, I support peoples right to be gay.. if that does it for you, good for you.

HOWEVER... you cant deny the elephant in the room in regards to gay scout masters/elders. While it sucks to paint innocent gays with such a tainted brush, I can understand the concerns of parents with leaving their children under the supervision of gay adults who actively seek interaction with little boys. Its just... sketchy. The boy scouts of america have an image to keep up, and saying "leave your little boy with gay uncle jimmy!" just leaves a bad taste in most peoples mouths.

I'm not homophobic.. but theres just certain things people wont be comfortable with, and this is one of them. The risk of damaging the reputation of the boy scouts in the same fashion as the Catholic church is too large for them to bear, and I understand.

I'm not saying its right... but I understand.


You sound...concerned...
 
2012-10-05 12:21:03 AM

Aussie_As: "Financial resources for the local council (the local nonprofit corporation chartered by the National Council) come from local United Ways, Sustaining Members, foundations, special events, project sales, investment income, trust funds, bequests, and gifts of real and personal property." So while some of the funds for the Boy Scouts come from dues and fees paid by members and their families, a large percentage of these funds are paid by taxpayers."


None of these sources of income are taxpayer funds.
 
2012-10-05 12:21:11 AM
epicdemotivational.com
 
2012-10-05 12:21:33 AM

farkingismybusiness: Daddy beat me with a hose. Kicked out of the Webelos.


That was perhaps the hottest 7" you'll ever find.
 
2012-10-05 12:21:34 AM

Babwa Wawa: A "tolerance wall" is some kind of f*&cking copout for an Eagle project. An eagle service project should involve at least 40 person-hours of work.

That said, screw the BSA and their intolerance.


Yeah I feel for the kid and ultimately the BSA is sending the wrong message. But that's a bullshiat project pure and simple.
 
2012-10-05 12:22:09 AM

brap: I got kicked out of my Cub Scout troop because I kept trying to play the Door's "Light My Fire" on the church organ. 
 
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And I ALMOST had it you mather freaking Nazis.


Should have played In the Garden of Eden by I. Ron Butterfly.
 
2012-10-05 12:22:50 AM

Theaetetus: DrPainMD: No different from groups that are only open to gays.

Which of these cover up for their child rapist members?
Catholic Church
Boy Scouts of America
Log Cabin Republicans

/right... no difference...


You had me fooled. Really. All this time, I've thought you were kind of smart. Now I know better.
 
2012-10-05 12:22:59 AM
And late Thursday, the Boy Scouts of America said in a statement that because of Andresen's sexual orientation and that he did not agree to Scouting's principle of "Duty to God," "he is no longer eligible for membership in Scouting."

well, yeah - I mean it's their club house, the BSA sets the rules on this one. If they say 'no gay eagle scouts' then they won't let anyone gay become an eagle scout. you might not like their rules...but you do have to respect the right of the BSA to set their own rules for their own membership.. don't like the rules, don't join the scouts.
 
2012-10-05 12:23:54 AM

Kingly Weevil: This makes me so sad because scouting was a program I enjoyed very much when I was a kid. At the time I of course didn't understand bigotry at the time, and never saw any examples of it myself while participating.

I just wish everyone could have the same great experiences that I had in it, and that the program would quit publicly shaming itself. This seriously makes me a little ashamed to be an Eagle Scout. I want to mail them my patch and tell them that I don't want it if he can't have his.


The question is, will you?
 
2012-10-05 12:24:44 AM
Hmm. I'm a bit perplexed at so many people in the thread being surprised by this.
The Boy Scouts have had this stance for a while now (along with supporting pedophilia), and it's been widely known for years.

Well, spread the word then.
 
2012-10-05 12:24:48 AM

Cheesus: They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.


DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business.


obamadidcoke: This is a private organization that is allowed to regulate it's membership.


Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Private organization. Right or wrong (I think it is wrong), they can do what they want.


OK, if they're a private organization, then cut off their government support so my taxes aren't helping run a hate group.
 
2012-10-05 12:25:31 AM

Alonjar: HOWEVER... you cant deny the elephant in the room in regards to gay scout masters/elders. While it sucks to paint innocent gays with such a tainted brush, I can understand the concerns of parents with leaving their children under the supervision of gay adults who actively seek interaction with little boys. Its just... sketchy. The boy scouts of america have an image to keep up, and saying "leave your little boy with gay uncle jimmy!" just leaves a bad taste in most peoples mouths.


The big word you're looking for there is "pedophile." And it has nothing to do with "gay." Those who think it does need to learn other big words, such as "ignorant," "bigot," and "dumbass."
 
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