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2012-10-04 06:54:19 PM  
This makes me so sad because scouting was a program I enjoyed very much when I was a kid. At the time I of course didn't understand bigotry at the time, and never saw any examples of it myself while participating.

I just wish everyone could have the same great experiences that I had in it, and that the program would quit publicly shaming itself. This seriously makes me a little ashamed to be an Eagle Scout. I want to mail them my patch and tell them that I don't want it if he can't have his.
 
2012-10-04 07:03:46 PM  
When the Boy Scouts are joined at the hip with the Mormon Church, you know this is going to be the case. Plain and simple.
 
2012-10-04 07:07:33 PM  

Kingly Weevil: This makes me so sad because scouting was a program I enjoyed very much when I was a kid. At the time I of course didn't understand bigotry at the time, and never saw any examples of it myself while participating.

I just wish everyone could have the same great experiences that I had in it, and that the program would quit publicly shaming itself. This seriously makes me a little ashamed to be an Eagle Scout. I want to mail them my patch and tell them that I don't want it if he can't have his.


All of this.

/Former Eagle Scout
//Completely disgusted with the way the organization is acting
 
2012-10-04 07:09:46 PM  
Looks like some Scout Council is not going to get a Diversity Merit Badge, plus they'll need to rewrite the oath Here's a start: honor, country, help other people at all times, morally, kind, friendly, brave  I'm sure they won't get to ever associate with Scouts from other countries either.
 
2012-10-04 07:30:13 PM  
I want everyone to know that [the Eagle award] should be based on accomplishment, not your sexual orientation.

Should be? What the fark does that have to do with it? The Scouts, while considered an "American institution" are a private group of homophobes who have spent the last forty years (at least) covering for child molesters. If that's the kind of organization you wish to have the highest honors in, go ahead, but it makes you look like an idiot for doing so once you're aware of who they really are..
 
2012-10-04 07:48:28 PM  
This same thing happened to me. Parents and church found out about teh gay a week before my board of review. Refused to recommend me for my Eagle.

/Damn Mormons.
 
2012-10-04 08:28:23 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Kingly Weevil: This makes me so sad because scouting was a program I enjoyed very much when I was a kid. At the time I of course didn't understand bigotry at the time, and never saw any examples of it myself while participating.

I just wish everyone could have the same great experiences that I had in it, and that the program would quit publicly shaming itself. This seriously makes me a little ashamed to be an Eagle Scout. I want to mail them my patch and tell them that I don't want it if he can't have his.

All of this.

/Former Eagle Scout
//Completely disgusted with the way the organization is acting


All of those, equally disgusted.
 
2012-10-04 08:35:30 PM  
Can't one of you former Eagle Scouts design an anti-homophobic (or perhaps non-bigoted) merit badge and distribute it to those who qualify as a form of protest?

Sure, the BSA wouldn't recognize it, but if enough people wore that patch, it might send a powerful message.
 
2012-10-04 09:41:30 PM  
I do wonder what would happen if he came out AFTER he got the Eagle Scout award.
 
2012-10-04 09:47:08 PM  
The Cub Scouts was the gayest thing I've ever participated in, and I've been to gay marriage fundraisers that had musical theater performances.
 
2012-10-04 09:57:21 PM  

brap: The Cub Scouts was the gayest thing I've ever participated in, and I've been to gay marriage fundraisers that had musical theater performances.


The whole idea of sleeping in a cabin with a bunch of other dudes always has seemed a little gay to me.
 
2012-10-04 10:19:13 PM  

brap: The Cub Scouts was the gayest thing I've ever participated in, and I've been to gay marriage fundraisers that had musical theater performances.


The Cub Scouts was the gayest thing I've ever participated in, and I've done the food for a gay wedding reception.
 
2012-10-04 10:29:24 PM  
This was my experience in the Boy Scouts:
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As a teenager, I went to two meetings, then refused to go back.
 
2012-10-04 10:46:37 PM  
Wait.. I did the cub scout thing and a year of actual boy scouts before I told my parents that I'd rather play soccer and little league than filter water and shiat in the woods, and I haven't really thought about it since.

What's this about the Mormons?

/Honest question
 
2012-10-04 10:48:50 PM  
My seven year old son is a scout. The scouts here are absolutely nothing like the US version. My sons troop couldn't be any more accepting, they even refuse to do the whole god thing.

But then i read crap like this and I am reminded of its roots and I am ashamed that my son is involved in an organisation that pulls this sort of crap.
 
2012-10-04 10:54:58 PM  
I got kicked out of my Cub Scout troop because I kept trying to play the Door's "Light My Fire" on the church organ. 
 
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And I ALMOST had it you mather freaking Nazis.
 
2012-10-04 11:14:10 PM  
I participated in Camp Fire Girls in the 60's and 70's. I hear that they have changed to include everyone, I learned this from a gay male coworker.
Hmmm.
 
2012-10-04 11:28:48 PM  
fark these guys.

Next time I walk into a grocery store and they're trying to sell me popcorn I will say "sorry, I'm gay" and keep walking.

No need to be rude or anything, just no way I'm supporting them any more.
 
2012-10-04 11:29:47 PM  
A "tolerance wall" is some kind of f*&cking copout for an Eagle project. An eagle service project should involve at least 40 person-hours of work.

That said, screw the BSA and their intolerance.
 
2012-10-04 11:30:20 PM  

GleeUnit: What's this about the Mormons?


I have this same question.

I know that individual troops can be rather locally biased, so if you were in a heavily Mormon area, they might add "Be a good Mormon" to the activites, but that's not a universal "All Scouts Follow Mormonism" thing. The troop I was a part of was mostly Catholic with the rest being Presbyterian (and we met at a Lutheran church just for fun). Obtaining the religious award was a group activity (that we never actually finished), but they let us pick the one that was aligned with our religious affiliation rather than saying "You should also do the Mormon one" or something similar.
 
2012-10-04 11:41:24 PM  

snuff3r: My seven year old son is a scout. The scouts here are absolutely nothing like the US version. My sons troop couldn't be any more accepting, they even refuse to do the whole god thing.

But then i read crap like this and I am reminded of its roots and I am ashamed that my son is involved in an organisation that pulls this sort of crap.


There is no "US version" of the scouts.

The organization itself is structured to allow discrimination against atheists and homosexuals. Individual troops have to be complicit in order for that discrimination to actually take place. There are plenty of troops that welcome atheists and homosexuals. However, it is unfortunate that it just takes one douchebag on the troop committee to start f*cking things up.

My son loves Cub Scouting. I'll encourage him to continue in Boy Scouts because as far as I know, it's the only organization where activities largely organized and directed by the youths themselves (when done right and not involving a bunch of helicopter parents).
 
2012-10-04 11:45:06 PM  
It's a religious organization, people need to stop being surprised by this stuff.
Your boy will be better off in some heathenish group anyway.
 
2012-10-04 11:46:58 PM  
Just wait a decade and become a Scout Leader. Duh.
 
2012-10-04 11:47:59 PM  
I'm sure he was Clean, Brave, Thrifty, Helpful, Friendly, Kind, and Obedient. Maybe had a problem with the Reverent part of it with all the gay in the way.

/Don't remember this bullshiat as a scout
//Hope my son doesn't either
 
2012-10-04 11:49:00 PM  
They should change their name to Christian Scouts or something. If the organization won't expel scout masters who rape boys, but will expel a gay scout, then they should be open about their agenda, and maybe there can be a secular/sane scout organization in the future.

/Kicked out as a Weebalo for attracting bears to the camp
 
2012-10-04 11:49:12 PM  

snowjack: As a teenager, I went to two meetings, then refused to go back.


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2012-10-04 11:52:48 PM  

Big Dave: /Kicked out as a Weebalo for attracting bears to the camp


Sounds like there's a story behind that.

/Heh, Weebalo.
//New funny name of the day
///Weebalo
 
2012-10-04 11:52:55 PM  
1. Don't you understand, guys? They have a tradition of excluding black people the gheyz. You can't honestly expect them to change now.
2. It's a private organization. Let the people vote with their feet and their dollars. We don't need the government stepping in here.
3. Look at all the good they have done in the world!
4. Oh great, another thing ruined because one sensitive kid had his feelings hurt. Next you'll be asking that they all get medals just for showing up, right?
5. Why don't we just leave it up to the states each troop to decide? My local troop is totally cool with black people the gheyz.

I really want to play the role of scumbag concerned apologist, but I'm too tired to pick a turd tonight. Please just pick one for me and respond to it.
 
2012-10-04 11:55:01 PM  
They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.

/still, fark those guys
 
2012-10-04 11:55:50 PM  
media.caglecartoons.com
 
2012-10-04 11:56:34 PM  
As someone who has three of his former cubs becoming Eagle scouts next year, I and most scouts I deal with do not give a fark. Wait for the next generation of leadership.
 
2012-10-04 11:57:15 PM  
This is SOP for the Boy Scouts. They've done this in the past and haven't been penalized... thus they are doing it still.
 
2012-10-04 11:57:18 PM  

Cheesus: They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.

/still, fark those guys


But do they have to make THIS rule?

In 2012? Really?
 
2012-10-04 11:57:34 PM  
I'm eyeing the Navigators in a local town (NavigatorsUSA), but I suspect it's gonna be a tiny tiny troupe.
 
2012-10-04 11:57:49 PM  
Those popcorn sales are a total ripoff. Way too expensive and the quality is nothing special.
 
2012-10-04 11:58:37 PM  
So... he joined an organization with a religious background, and then is shocked when it imposes a certain set of moral codes on its members? I thought Eagle Scouts were supposed to be smart.

Don't believe in what the Scouts believe? Then don't join. Go start a Gay Scouts group or something. You can probably even get some gub'mint money to support it since it's not religious and being gay is in fashion these days.
 
2012-10-04 11:58:56 PM  

Cheesus: They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.

/still, fark those guys


Sure. Time to revoke their tax exempt status and federal funding.
 
2012-10-04 11:59:23 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Cheesus: They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.

/still, fark those guys

But do they have to make THIS rule?

In 2012? Really?


If they can find justification in it, and won't get in trouble for it, they will do it.
 
2012-10-05 12:00:14 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Cheesus: They're a private organization and they can make whatever rules they want. My only complaint is forcing kids to attend their advertising pitches in public school.

/still, fark those guys

But do they have to make THIS rule?

In 2012? Really?


I live in a state that overwhelmingly banned gay marriage. A majority of the US just doesn't like homosexuals. Give it another 10-20 years.
 
2012-10-05 12:00:48 AM  

timujin: I want everyone to know that [the Eagle award] should be based on accomplishment, not your sexual orientation.

Should be? What the fark does that have to do with it? The Scouts, while considered an "American institution" are a private group of homophobes who have spent the last forty years (at least) covering for child molesters. If that's the kind of organization you wish to have the highest honors in, go ahead, but it makes you look like an idiot for doing so once you're aware of who they really are..


Private organisation? You'd think so but no...

From The Ethical Spectacle website:

"When I first approached this subject, I thought the Boy Scouts of America was a private organization and had the right to set its own rules and make its own policies. I was perfectly willing to defend this right, even though I think their policies are wrong.

Then I checked out the Boy Scouts of America web page, http://www.bsa.scouting.org/index.htm. According to the Boy Scouts: "The purpose of the Boy Scouts of America, incorporated on February 8, 1910, and chartered by Congress in 1916, is to provide an educational program for boys and young adults to build character, to train in the responsibilities of participating citizenship, and to develop personal fitness."

So I now know that the organization is "chartered by Congress", i.e. the organization has the express support and approval of Congress. Any organization that discriminates or otherwise exhibits prejudice should not have Congressional endorsement. If the Boy Scouts choose to claim that they are a totally private organization, they should request that Congress rescind that charter. Congress should no more charter the Boy Scouts than it should charter the Ku Klux Klan.

It gets worse. Quoting again from the Boy Scouts' Web site, "Financial resources for the local council (the local nonprofit corporation chartered by the National Council) come from local United Ways, Sustaining Members, foundations, special events, project sales, investment income, trust funds, bequests, and gifts of real and personal property." So while some of the funds for the Boy Scouts come from dues and fees paid by members and their families, a large percentage of these funds are paid by taxpayers."

I'm wondering if this will end in substantial legal proceedings down the track.
 
2012-10-05 12:00:49 AM  
There's also Campfire. I don't have any experience with any of these organizations, so I dunno how big/good they are.
 
2012-10-05 12:00:50 AM  

Aidan: I'm eyeing the Navigators in a local town (NavigatorsUSA), but I suspect it's gonna be a tiny tiny troupe.


That looks pretty great.
 
2012-10-05 12:00:59 AM  
Another Eagle Scout revulsed by the modern BSA
 
2012-10-05 12:01:03 AM  
Daddy beat me with a hose. Kicked out of the Webelos.
 
2012-10-05 12:01:03 AM  
pfft. I learned about woodlore the old fashioned way, not from an effeminate yet anti-gay scoutmaster.
 
2012-10-05 12:01:36 AM  
I'm glad the Unitarians told them to fark off a few years ago. One of the few religious institutions I still have any respect for nowadays.
 
2012-10-05 12:02:04 AM  

brap: The Cub Scouts was the gayest thing I've ever participated in, and I've been to gay marriage fundraisers that had musical theater performances.


i got kicked out of the boy scouts because i've got a greek last name.

/the skirt and fake eyelashes probably didn't help.
 
2012-10-05 12:02:20 AM  
They're just not sure if he shouldn't have been a brownie
 
2012-10-05 12:03:25 AM  
Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business. No different from groups that are only open to gays. I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join. Unless you're against people living their lives the way they want, doing what they want to do and associating with who they want. In which case, you're just as bigoted and intolerant as they are.
 
2012-10-05 12:04:53 AM  

DrPainMD: Yeah, yeah... we get it. Boy Scouts isn't open to gays. Big deal. Since it's a private organization, it's none of your business. No different from groups that are only open to gays. I have a great idea: join organizations that you want to join, and don't join those that you don't want to join. Unless you're against people living their lives the way they want, doing what they want to do and associating with who they want. In which case, you're just as bigoted and intolerant as they are.


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