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(CNN)   Al Gore suggests altitude may have played a role in Obama's lackluster debate performance, noting that he only flew into Denver yesterday afternoon, fails to mention how tired his arms were   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 156
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2012-10-04 08:56:17 PM
Rocky Mountain high?


/colorado
 
2012-10-04 08:58:52 PM
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And I'm gonna be......HIGH.....
 
2012-10-04 09:03:44 PM
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Dude needed to chill out a bit beforehand. Like Biden would have. It was Colorado, after all.

/I can't wait for the VP Debate. I hope Biden cracks a cold one at the podium.
 
2012-10-04 09:11:31 PM
In other words, 0bama couldn't deal with the pressure.
 
2012-10-04 09:32:11 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: In other words, 0bama couldn't deal with the pressure.


Yes he beat a decorated Vietnam veteran and then right wing starlet and navigated this country through 4 difficult years of economic recovery including making tough decisions on FP issues such as the OBL raid, shooting the pirates and navigating a mine field that was the withdraw from Iraq. But he can't handle the pressure of a mendacious, smug, Upper Class Twit of the Year who literally lied about every position he's ever had on anything

/wait, why am I even bothering with you
 
2012-10-04 09:45:09 PM
Denver can make one feel out of shape when one is a lowlander.  Not that I've ever experienced that hiking and feeling like I was going to cough up a lung or anything.  I heard this from a second cousin's fiance that was from Guam, you wouldn't know her.
 
2012-10-04 10:47:29 PM

Peter von Nostrand: tenpoundsofcheese: In other words, 0bama couldn't deal with the pressure.

Yes he beat a decorated Vietnam veteran and then right wing starlet

Who did he beat after McCain?
Last I saw his party was shellacked in the 2010 mid terms.



and navigated this country through 4 difficult years of economic recovery including making tough decisions on FP issues such as the OBL raid,

ohhh, that was a hard decision that only took 6 months. No one else would have done that.

shooting the pirates and navigating a mine field that was the withdraw from Iraq.
yeah, following Bush's plan was so hard to do.

But he can't handle the pressure of a mendacious, smug, Upper Class Twit of the Year who literally lied about every position he's ever had on anything
looks like you aren't up to speed with politifact



face it, 0bama couldn't deal with pressure of actually having someone question him about his performance using these things called "facts" that he is so unfamiliar with ("oohh, let me tell them another heart warming story about my grandma")

He was coddled by the press.
He wins the noble prize for doing nothing.
He rarely had press conferences and when he did they were "tell me how cool it is to be you".
He is afraid to meet world leaders so he goes on The View itself.

Yes, he couldn't deal with the pressure and it showed.
 
2012-10-04 11:21:04 PM
Obama was in a no-win situation. If he'd come out as aggressive against Romney, he'd have been lambasted and beaten up in the press. This of course made many of his supporters angry, and got the press asking the question, why didn't he go after Romney?

Now for the next two debates, when he does go after Romney, instead of being lambasted in the press and public, people will see him as getting it together and really debating. Now he's got everyone's permission to go be a bulldog, and he won't receive the criticism he'd have gotten last night.

It's the same thing he did to McCain. Obama is a long-plan thinker.
 
2012-10-04 11:42:40 PM
I think what he was saying was AL-titude. Obama was too high on Al Gore.
 
2012-10-05 12:01:43 AM

Kimothy: Obama was in a no-win situation. If he'd come out as aggressive against Romney, he'd have been lambasted and beaten up in the press. This of course made many of his supporters angry, and got the press asking the question, why didn't he go after Romney?

Now for the next two debates, when he does go after Romney, instead of being lambasted in the press and public, people will see him as getting it together and really debating. Now he's got everyone's permission to go be a bulldog, and he won't receive the criticism he'd have gotten last night.

It's the same thing he did to McCain. Obama is a long-plan thinker.


I'm a fairly strong Obama supporter, but I really don't know if that was his strategy. I hope you're right, but I'm not betting on it. But let's assume for a minute you're right, because a guy as smart as Obama, I just can't see him not realizing that he's being beaten in what I would assume is a key debate. I think there was something else going on. He was getting some really easy attack vectors from Romney. I mean Romney kept repeating the $716 billion lie. He mentioned green energy, something I know Obama can talk about better than he did. There were a lot of weird indicators that Obama was holding back.

Now there are some possibilities from an overall Democratic strategy standpoint which have interesting implications. A lot of monied people were thinking of stopping donations to Romney's campaign entirely and focusing on Congressional races in the House and Senate. What if Obama wants to keep the money coming into Romney's coffers, thereby depleting the money that could be used in Congressional and Senatorial campaigns? Would that not be a brilliant move, if you were really that good at the game? Possibly, but then if he and his guys were really that good, you'd think he would have been better at finding points of compromise within the Congress - unless those jackoffs are really that goddamn thickheaded, which is a very real possibility.

I'm thinking debates 2 and 3 will clear up a lot of things.
 
2012-10-05 12:12:47 AM

Somacandra: /I can't wait for the VP Debate. I hope Biden cracks a cold one at the podium.


"Ryan, you're a lying, worthless sack of cat shiat. When you have something important to say you can pipe right up, but for the time being why don't you run out and grab me a sixer of Old Milwaukee, Buttercup."
 
2012-10-05 12:13:18 AM

Peter von Nostrand: tenpoundsofcheese: In other words, 0bama couldn't deal with the pressure.

Yes he beat a decorated Vietnam veteran and then right wing starlet and navigated this country through 4 difficult years of economic recovery including making tough decisions on FP issues such as the OBL raid, shooting the pirates and navigating a mine field that was the withdraw from Iraq. But he can't handle the pressure of a mendacious, smug, Upper Class Twit of the Year who literally lied about every position he's ever had on anything

/wait, why am I even bothering with you


Why ARE you even bothering with it?
 
2012-10-05 12:13:35 AM
Where was Air Tank 1?
 
2012-10-05 12:13:57 AM

Peter von Nostrand: tenpoundsofcheese: In other words, 0bama couldn't deal with the pressure.

Yes he beat a decorated Vietnam veteran and then right wing starlet and navigated this country through 4 difficult years of economic recovery including making tough decisions on FP issues such as the OBL raid, shooting the pirates and navigating a mine field that was the withdraw from Iraq. But he can't handle the pressure of a mendacious, smug, Upper Class Twit of the Year who literally lied about every position he's ever had on anything

/wait, why am I even bothering with you


Grrrr, someones mad that Glorious Leader didn't have his teleprompter.
 
2012-10-05 12:14:07 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: In other words, 0bama couldn't deal with the pressure.


Cute.
 
2012-10-05 12:15:59 AM

SouthParkCon: Peter von Nostrand: tenpoundsofcheese: In other words, 0bama couldn't deal with the pressure.

Yes he beat a decorated Vietnam veteran and then right wing starlet and navigated this country through 4 difficult years of economic recovery including making tough decisions on FP issues such as the OBL raid, shooting the pirates and navigating a mine field that was the withdraw from Iraq. But he can't handle the pressure of a mendacious, smug, Upper Class Twit of the Year who literally lied about every position he's ever had on anything

/wait, why am I even bothering with you

Grrrr, someones mad that Glorious Leader didn't have his teleprompter.


Hard to use a teleprompter when you're dead.

Wait...you weren't talkign about Kim Jong Il?
 
2012-10-05 12:20:16 AM
I've lived at an elevation of 35 feet most of my life. I recently went to Colorado Springs for 3 days. I went hiking at the Garden of the Gods the same day I flew in. Felt just fine. Never felt out of breath or light headed.
 
2012-10-05 12:21:59 AM
This is some weak sauce excusing making by Gore. I'm not a fan of either party but my understanding is that Obama pretty much got owned in the first debate because it seemed like he didn't want to be there. Small wonder a guy who has done his best to avoid any serious press for what seems like ages wouldn't want to have to answer difficult questions about how his policies have failed. Time to schedule another hard hitting segment on The View I guess.
 
2012-10-05 12:24:08 AM
Ben Stein was suggesting the same type of thing on the OraTV post-debate show yesterday.

It's hilarious to see all you libs running around looking for any perspective that makes Obama come off as the winner of last night's debate. He lost badly.

He may be a gifted speaker, but his debate skills are not very good.

/or maybe he's doing a rope-a-dope and allowing himself to get reamed in the debates on purpose.
 
2012-10-05 12:24:16 AM

Brubold: Small wonder a guy who has done his best to avoid any serious press for what seems like ages wouldn't want to have to answer difficult questions about how his policies have failed.


That would certainly explain Romney.
 
2012-10-05 12:26:07 AM

bdub77: There were a lot of weird indicators that Obama was holding back. Now there are some possibilities from an overall Democratic strategy standpoint which have interesting implications.


From what little of the debate I managed to catch--it was obvious that Obama was behaving like a candidate who's own base is sewn up and reaching out to enlarge his lead with independents and moderate Republicans. He doesn't have to energize his base anymore---the convention did that. He talked slowly, relatively calmly and took care to maintain his gravitas. Mitt "We are all children of the same God" Romney is still trying to excite his base and convince Evangelical Protestants to vote for a Mormon. He's trying to use an aggressive style to fuel his base while claiming his content is mainstream friendly on TV before walking it back afterwards. He'll tighten the race a bit but in historical terms its probably too late to turn it around. If he's not gaining new ground every single day he's losing. The clock is now against Romney--exactly Obama's favorite position to be in, if you recall the campaign against McCain.
 
2012-10-05 12:26:26 AM
Denver stretches a mile above sea level.

That's too high.
 
2012-10-05 12:29:36 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Ben Stein was suggesting the same type of thing on the OraTV post-debate show yesterday.

It's hilarious to see all you libs running around looking for any perspective that makes Obama come off as the winner of last night's debate. He lost badly.


Ben Stein is a Republican.
 
2012-10-05 12:30:26 AM

Brubold: Time to schedule another hard hitting segment on The View I guess.


Funny you mention The View.

Because Romney is going to be on later this month as well.

Link
 
2012-10-05 12:31:20 AM
The funny part will be when Romney's Doppleganger alter-ego shows up for the next debate and claims to hold completely opposite positions than from the first one. That should be interesting.
 
2012-10-05 12:32:02 AM

GhostFish: AverageAmericanGuy: Ben Stein was suggesting the same type of thing on the OraTV post-debate show yesterday.

It's hilarious to see all you libs running around looking for any perspective that makes Obama come off as the winner of last night's debate. He lost badly.

Ben Stein is a Republican.


Didn't say he wasn't.
 
2012-10-05 12:32:27 AM

Badafuco: I've lived at an elevation of 35 feet most of my life. I recently went to Colorado Springs for 3 days. I went hiking at the Garden of the Gods the same day I flew in. Felt just fine. Never felt out of breath or light headed.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-10-05 12:32:28 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: t's hilarious to see all you libs running around looking for any perspective that makes Obama come off as the winner of last night's debate. He lost badly.


Who said Obama was the winner?
 
2012-10-05 12:32:44 AM

Kimothy: Obama was in a no-win situation. If he'd come out as aggressive against Romney, he'd have been lambasted and beaten up in the press. This of course made many of his supporters angry, and got the press asking the question, why didn't he go after Romney?

Now for the next two debates, when he does go after Romney, instead of being lambasted in the press and public, people will see him as getting it together and really debating. Now he's got everyone's permission to go be a bulldog, and he won't receive the criticism he'd have gotten last night.

It's the same thing he did to McCain. Obama is a long-plan thinker.


I think you're high

Bad idea to go aggressive in the debate about domestic policy? Seriously tho, nobody thought Romney stood a chance because everybody suddenly forgot Obama wasn't brilliant in '08 either, that his team rested on their laurels when domestic policy was being debated is mind boggling

live by the hype, die by the hype
 
2012-10-05 12:33:40 AM

Fart_Machine: AverageAmericanGuy: t's hilarious to see all you libs running around looking for any perspective that makes Obama come off as the winner of last night's debate. He lost badly.

Who said Obama was the winner?


The Big Bir... oh Lawd thread seems to be filled with people who say so.
 
2012-10-05 12:34:09 AM

Somacandra: Mitt "We are all children of the same God" Romney is still trying to excite his base and convince Evangelical Protestants to vote for a Mormon. He's trying to use an aggressive style to fuel his base while claiming his content is mainstream friendly on TV before walking it back afterwards.


I think Mitt managed to take two steps back to take a step forward, here. His debate performance was mildly appealing to the moderates and independents, but on the other hand he made a lot of comments that are going to turn the GOP base away from him. Like, for example, agreeing with Obama on anything. Or giving credence to Dodd-Frank. Or admitting there are, in fact, portions of Obamacare that do right. The "repeal and replace" canard isn't going to cover for that, especially when the GOP base already strongly distrusts and dislikes him. He's relying on the "not Obama" aspect to allow him to cruise on his base, but that's not going to fly. Muddling his message and attempting to occupy the center against Obama, when the political strategy that has the best potential to yield a Romney victory is to make it a battle of the bases for the fact attempting to occupy the center will turn off his base, a month out from the election is not a winning strategy especially when last night's debate provides enough ready-made ammunition for the entire month's worth of attack ads.

When the cards are down, he's still the GOP's Kerry and last night's debate performance reinforces that.
 
2012-10-05 12:35:24 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: GhostFish: AverageAmericanGuy: Ben Stein was suggesting the same type of thing on the OraTV post-debate show yesterday.

It's hilarious to see all you libs running around looking for any perspective that makes Obama come off as the winner of last night's debate. He lost badly.

Ben Stein is a Republican.

Didn't say he wasn't.


So when a Republican provides a hypothesis, he's just...I don't know, shooting the shiat.
But when a Democrat provides the same hypothesis, he's "running around looking for any perspective that makes Obama come off as the winner of last night's debate"?
 
2012-10-05 12:36:16 AM
I still dont see how romney "won". After watching they both seemed fine. Sure Mitt was louder and more animated. But that was the only difference. Is that all that is required to "win"
 
2012-10-05 12:36:16 AM
Come on Al, Obama can do his own blaming.

Besides, the altitude would only effect Obama's unicorn and not the magical man himself, duh.
 
2012-10-05 12:36:47 AM

Mrtraveler01: Brubold: Time to schedule another hard hitting segment on The View I guess.

Funny you mention The View.

Because Romney is going to be on later this month as well.

Link


And isn't Ann Romney guest-hosting some ABC morning show? I'd like to punch that biatch right in the face.
 
2012-10-05 12:37:41 AM

GhostFish: AverageAmericanGuy: GhostFish: AverageAmericanGuy: Ben Stein was suggesting the same type of thing on the OraTV post-debate show yesterday.

It's hilarious to see all you libs running around looking for any perspective that makes Obama come off as the winner of last night's debate. He lost badly.

Ben Stein is a Republican.

Didn't say he wasn't.

So when a Republican provides a hypothesis, he's just...I don't know, shooting the shiat.
But when a Democrat provides the same hypothesis, he's "running around looking for any perspective that makes Obama come off as the winner of last night's debate"?


I said libs, not Democrats.

Although the overlap is very large, I'll grant you.
 
2012-10-05 12:37:43 AM

Somacandra: The funny part will be when Romney's Doppleganger alter-ego shows up for the next debate and claims to hold completely opposite positions than from the first one. That should be interesting.


And Obama and his team won't be prepared for that either.
 
2012-10-05 12:37:58 AM

Mrtraveler01: Because Romney is going to be on later this month as well.


From your link: Romney referred to "The View" as "high-risk" because only one of the five hosts identify as conservative-Elisabeth Hasselbeck. "Four are sharp-tongued and not conservative, Whoopi Goldberg in particular,"

He thinks The View is "high-risk" ? Dude wants to be the leader of the free world but sweats over appearing on Morning Yak? Maybe he's afraid to be asked how to get out those pesky gravy stains and ring around the collar?
 
2012-10-05 12:39:30 AM

Somacandra: Mrtraveler01: Because Romney is going to be on later this month as well.

From your link: Romney referred to "The View" as "high-risk" because only one of the five hosts identify as conservative-Elisabeth Hasselbeck. "Four are sharp-tongued and not conservative, Whoopi Goldberg in particular,"

He thinks The View is "high-risk" ? Dude wants to be the leader of the free world but sweats over appearing on Morning Yak? Maybe he's afraid to be asked how to get out those pesky gravy stains and ring around the collar?


I only pray to God he was just kidding around.
 
2012-10-05 12:40:16 AM

ralinsilver: I still dont see how romney "won". After watching they both seemed fine. Sure Mitt was louder and more animated. But that was the only difference. Is that all that is required to "win"


Did Romney grab more undecideds than Obama did?

If so, then he won.

This isn't a truth-telling contest. This is advertising.

If you want to know what wins when it comes to advertising, go turn on your TV. It's not pretty.
 
2012-10-05 12:41:09 AM

YELLOL: Besides, the altitude would only effect Obama's unicorn and not the magical man himself, duh.


2.bp.blogspot.com

So you think Governor Twilight Sparkle had a secret oxygen spell up his sleeve?
 
2012-10-05 12:41:50 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I said libs, not Democrats.

Although the overlap is very large, I'll grant you.


So you contend that Ben Stein is a liberal Republican?
 
2012-10-05 12:43:39 AM

GhostFish: Did Romney grab more undecideds than Obama did? If so, then he won.


He has to grab undecideds and more. By a factor. He's got serious ground to make up. in about 30-ish days.
 
2012-10-05 12:43:57 AM

Somacandra: Mrtraveler01: Because Romney is going to be on later this month as well.

From your link: Romney referred to "The View" as "high-risk" because only one of the five hosts identify as conservative-Elisabeth Hasselbeck. "Four are sharp-tongued and not conservative, Whoopi Goldberg in particular,"

He thinks The View is "high-risk" ? Dude wants to be the leader of the free world but sweats over appearing on Morning Yak? Maybe he's afraid to be asked how to get out those pesky gravy stains and ring around the collar?


He really wanted to be on "The Chew" until he found out it had nothing to do with Isreal.
 
2012-10-05 12:45:35 AM

GhostFish: So you contend that Ben Stein is a liberal Republican?


Of course. He worked for that dirty smelly hippie who called himself "Richard Nixon." Real fruitcake--flowers in his hair and all that shiat. Not keen on bathing or liberal Jews like Kissinger.
 
2012-10-05 12:49:16 AM

Somacandra: GhostFish: So you contend that Ben Stein is a liberal Republican?

Of course. He worked for that dirty smelly hippie who called himself "Richard Nixon." Real fruitcake--flowers in his hair and all that shiat. Not keen on bathing or liberal Jews like Kissinger.


This makes me curious about an Elseworlds Watchmen where Nixon is still President in the 80s as in the original, but he's the hippiest hip that ever did hip.
 
2012-10-05 12:50:30 AM
Aw man, Obama got a "Does he look tired to you?" from his own team?
 
2012-10-05 12:51:13 AM

Peter von Nostrand: tenpoundsofcheese: In other words, 0bama couldn't deal with the pressure.

Yes he beat a decorated Vietnam veteran and then right wing starlet and navigated this country through 4 difficult years of economic recovery including making tough decisions on FP issues such as the OBL raid, shooting the pirates and navigating a mine field that was the withdraw from Iraq. But he can't handle the pressure of a mendacious, smug, Upper Class Twit of the Year who literally lied about every position he's ever had on anything

/wait, why am I even bothering with you


"Navigated" and "recovery." Wow. Just wow.

And another homeless guy I know just had "involuntary sudden epidermis puncture" (he got knifed in the arm by another homeless guy.)

Whar recovery? Whar?
 
2012-10-05 12:53:07 AM

bdub77: Possibly, but then if he and his guys were really that good, you'd think he would have been better at finding points of compromise within the Congress - unless those jackoffs are really that goddamn thickheaded, which is a very real possibility.


Nope, not possible - those jackoffs are really that goddamn thickheaded. No matter what Obama were to propose, the Republicans in Congress would vote against it and/or kill it with filibuster for absolutely no reason other than the fact that Obama proposed it; likewise, they would (and actually have) killed their own bills just because Obama agreed with it.

Seriously, if Obama were to say he likes watching football, they'd put an amendment in the next budget/military funding/Congressional and/or Presidential pay-raise/etc bill outlawing all sports played on fields except baseball.
 
2012-10-05 12:54:05 AM

Kimothy: Obama was in a no-win situation. If he'd come out as aggressive against Romney, he'd have been lambasted and beaten up in the press. This of course made many of his supporters angry, and got the press asking the question, why didn't he go after Romney?

Now for the next two debates, when he does go after Romney, instead of being lambasted in the press and public, people will see him as getting it together and really debating. Now he's got everyone's permission to go be a bulldog, and he won't receive the criticism he'd have gotten last night.

It's the same thing he did to McCain. Obama is a long-plan thinker.


So this is the new meme?
 
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