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(WPXI.com)   PA State Representative refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance because it would be praying in public   (wpxi.com) divider line 88
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2012-10-04 04:55:02 PM
He should've said it the way it was originally written. That would've hella trolled
 
2012-10-04 05:06:16 PM

Introitus: He should've said it the way it was originally written. That would've hella trolled


That would have been more heroic IMHO.
 
2012-10-04 05:17:31 PM
After the incident, Metcalfe told reporters, "I think it is shocking that any elected official would not pledge allegiance to the flag.

I think it's shocking that people swear oaths of loyalty to pieces of cloth. Your move, Metcalfe.
 
2012-10-04 05:19:28 PM
I would have said "loyalty oaths are best left to Communists"
 
2012-10-04 05:22:32 PM
Jesus Christ that's retarded.
 
2012-10-04 05:44:11 PM
Bravo for paying attention to that bit in Matthew 6:5-6. Good luck with the re-election campaign.
 
2012-10-04 06:48:16 PM
So many ways to tell who DNRTFA.
 
2012-10-04 07:21:38 PM

Introitus: He should've said it the way it was originally written. That would've hella trolled


He should have... If he were a "he".
 
2012-10-04 08:55:57 PM

abb3w: Bravo for paying attention to that bit in Matthew 6:5-6. Good luck with the re-election campaign.


From TFA:

Josephs, who represents the Philadelphia area, is retiring in a few days.

Nothing to lose. May as well pull a Bullworth.


PC LOAD LETTER: I would have said "loyalty oaths are best left to Communists"


FloydA: After the incident, Metcalfe told reporters, "I think it is shocking that any elected official would not pledge allegiance to the flag.

I think it's shocking that people swear oaths of loyalty to pieces of cloth. Your move, Metcalfe.


Heh. Both of these.

One nation, under Dog.
 
2012-10-04 09:04:51 PM

Introitus: He should've said it the way it was originally written. That would've hella trolled


Don't forget the original salute. Fox News and every other right wing website would have simultaneously exploded in fits of insanity.
 
2012-10-04 09:10:09 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-04 09:11:36 PM

abb3w: Bravo for paying attention to that bit in Matthew 6:5-6. Good luck with the re-election campaign.


She's retiring. Probably happy she doesn't have to put up with PDJ (public displays of jingoism) anymore.
 
2012-10-04 09:17:26 PM

FriarReb98: Don't forget the original salute.


Beautiful.
 
2012-10-04 09:18:09 PM
FTFA: It's a person's right to not say the pledge, but I don't believe anybody should be in elected office that holds that position, and I think a majority of Americans wouldn't elect somebody if they held that position."

Of course--it would be so terrible to have a Jehovah's Witness serving in a public position, right?
 
2012-10-04 09:21:09 PM

FriarReb98: Don't forget the original salute. Fox News and every other right wing website would have simultaneously exploded in fits of insanity.


upload.wikimedia.org

HOW DARE YOU CHALLENGE THE DECEMBER 22nd, 1942 AMENDMENT TO THE FLAG CODE
 
2012-10-04 09:23:11 PM

Somacandra: HOW DARE YOU CHALLENGE THE DECEMBER 22nd, 1942 AMENDMENT TO THE FLAG CODE


HOW DARE YOU CHALLENGE MY RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!
 
2012-10-04 10:03:57 PM
As one of those godless heathens myself I usually just skip the god part whenever i have to lead a pledge (was mostly when i was in school). Nobody has ever said anything to me about doing it that way . Just always seemed to be a nice compromise.
 
2012-10-04 10:08:11 PM

FloydA: After the incident, Metcalfe told reporters, "I think it is shocking that any elected official would not pledge allegiance to the flag.

I think it's shocking that people swear oaths of loyalty to pieces of cloth. Your move, Metcalfe.


Everyone sees the first clause ("I pledge allegiance to the flag") and forgets the second one ("and to the republic for which it stands"). The oath is also to the republic, which should a lot less controversial to an public official. When I recite it, I stay silent when everyone says "under God".
 
2012-10-04 10:40:53 PM
Good for her. The Pledge of Allegiance is fkn stupid - for many reasons.
 
2012-10-04 11:07:51 PM

abb3w: Bravo for paying attention to that bit in Matthew 6:5-6. Good luck with the re-election campaign.


Heh...if I ever felt like holding public office (and no one did me the favor of slapping some sense into me), I know I'd have to play certain stupid games like pretend to be sincere while pledging allegiance to a flag.

But after I decided to retire, and after my final election, I would have a field day: declare my atheism, refuse to recite, or stand for the pledge, insist that atheists, and agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus, $cientologists, etc, etc, etc all get a turn at opening a session with a prayer (if I'm in a place where that shiat is done) and so on.

And when people tried to get rid of me, I'd remind the whiners about that pesky little "no religious test" thingy in the Constitution and call in the ACLU to defend me. Then I'd watch the Real Aericans squirm and biatch and I'd laaaaaaugh and laugh and laugh

All that would require far too much effort, but man it'd be sweeeeeet
 
2012-10-04 11:54:23 PM
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With liberty, and justice for all.
 
2012-10-05 12:00:25 AM
God Bless her.

//I only say the pledge as originally written - by a baptist preacher no less.

///My main beef is with people thinking they can do better than the original artist.

////FARK THE REVISIONS
 
2012-10-05 12:01:57 AM

slayer199: Introitus: He should've said it the way it was originally written. That would've hella trolled

That would have been more heroic IMHO.


Same

But the only reason I think she did this is because of this: Josephs, who represents the Philadelphia area, is retiring in a few days.
 
2012-10-05 12:02:46 AM

Ricardo Klement: Jesus Christ that's retarded.


This whole debate is retarded.
 
2012-10-05 12:03:33 AM
Matthew 6:5, you stupid Republican bastards.
 
2012-10-05 12:07:45 AM

FloydA: After the incident, Metcalfe told reporters, "I think it is shocking that any elected official would not pledge allegiance to the flag.

I think it's shocking that people swear oaths of loyalty to pieces of cloth. Your move, Metcalfe.


"I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United State of America..."


/since 9/11
 
2012-10-05 12:10:53 AM
The words "under god" are as badly shoe-horned as the witches in the Scottish play.

/Not an English Major
//They just don't fit.
 
2012-10-05 12:14:02 AM
A woman? a Democrat?

Yep.
 
2012-10-05 12:16:03 AM

wildcardjack: The words "under god" are as badly shoe-horned as the witches in the Scottish play.

/Not an English Major
//They just don't fit.


Sure they do. You just have to say it like a middle schooler:

I pledge allegiance to the flag [gasp]
Of the unitedstatesofamerica [gasp]
and to the republic [gasp]
of which it stands [gasp]
one nation [gasp]
under god [gasp]
in - divisible [gasp]
withlibertyandjusticeforall [flop into seat]
 
2012-10-05 12:18:19 AM
As everyone was standing to say the pledge, Josephs said, "Based on my First Amendment rights and based on the fact that I really think it's a prayer, I don't pray in public.

Good for her.
 
2012-10-05 12:20:30 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: I would have said "loyalty oaths are best left to Communists"


Hey now, that oath was written by a Nationalist Socialist. Not a communist! Shame on you for suggesting that it has anything to do with the dirty commies.
 
2012-10-05 12:21:58 AM

RedVentrue: A woman? a Democrat?

Yep.


Probably one o' them uppity darkies too.
 
2012-10-05 12:27:57 AM
Christianity is stupid

I plead alignment to the flakes of the untitled snakes of a merry cow and to the republicans for which they scam one nacho, underpants with licorice and jugs of wine for owls
 
2012-10-05 01:00:02 AM
On the rare occasions I say the pledge, I leave out the 'under God" Part.
 
2012-10-05 01:07:41 AM
"I think it is shocking that any elected official would not pledge allegiance to the flag. It's a person's right to not say the pledge, but I don't believe anybody should be in elected office that holds that position, and I think a majority of Americans wouldn't elect somebody if they held that position."

If that's your only reason for not electing someone or denying them a position then you're an idiot.
 
2012-10-05 01:07:47 AM
Wow... this thread really shows the lack of interest in this subject.. I only posted out of pity... ;-)
 
2012-10-05 01:15:57 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Good for her. The Pledge of Allegiance is fkn stupid - for many reasons.


Yes, but it's more fun to tell people it was written by a soshulist
 
2012-10-05 01:20:27 AM

ifarkthereforiam: On the rare occasions I say the pledge, I leave out the 'under God" Part.


www.wareagleextra.com
 
2012-10-05 01:24:57 AM
Ah, Republicans, is there no issue you don't have a retarded position on?

/no offense intended towards retards, who are clearly far more intellectually capable than most GOPers.
 
2012-10-05 01:33:30 AM

halB: //I only say the pledge as originally written - by a baptist preacher no less.


Huh, I knew he was a Socialist. I didn't know he was also a Baptist preacher.

/the novel he wrote is pretty good for 19th century sci-fi.
 
2012-10-05 01:35:03 AM

Somacandra: FTFA: It's a person's right to not say the pledge, but I don't believe anybody should be in elected office that holds that position, and I think a majority of Americans wouldn't elect somebody if they held that position."

Of course--it would be so terrible to have a Jehovah's Witness serving in a public position, right?


Well, not ideal at least. Plus it'd certainly be doctrinally contradictory as they're not supposed to seek public office.
 
2012-10-05 01:53:43 AM

Rashnu: doctrinally contradictory


Band name!

What? It rolls off the tongue.

/Okay, no it doesn't.
 
2012-10-05 02:01:53 AM
It's disgusting that we still make kids do this every day of their school lives. Like a kid knows what the hell they're saying and the ramifications. What kind of sick country expects their youth to verbally pledge allegiance daily? Isn't one time, when someone turns 18 and by choice, enough?
 
2012-10-05 02:02:00 AM
Good for you lady, and good usage of the "Hero" tag.

/good for you
 
2012-10-05 02:03:50 AM

Somacandra: FTFA: It's a person's right to not say the pledge, but I don't believe anybody should be in elected office that holds that position, and I think a majority of Americans wouldn't elect somebody if they held that position."

Of course--it would be so terrible to have a Jehovah's Witness serving in a public position, right?


Not that that's on topic, but yeah. Although with all the door-knocking, any JW may have a leg up on GOTV drives.
 
2012-10-05 02:18:18 AM
Loyalty oaths are creepy. Even more so when we push our children into learning them before they can understand the meaning of the words. Seems like something commies would do.
 
2012-10-05 02:25:47 AM

FloydA: I think it's shocking that people swear oaths of loyalty to pieces of cloth. Your move, Metcalfe.


That bothers me more. It scares me that we basically have kids pledging loyalty to supposedly free nation before they even know what they are saying. I really don't see that the pledge is necessary or "patriotic". Standing for the National Anthem is one thing, you are paying respect, but you're not swearing an oath of any kind.

On a side note, I'll be damned if I'll stand for farking "God Bless America" or that goddamned Lee Greenwood crap, either. We have a National Anthem, let's leave it at that. Gives us more time to enjoy our Freedom Fries™ anyway...
 
2012-10-05 02:28:32 AM

Lord Jubjub: The oath is also to the republic, which should a lot less controversial to an public official.


Except that they already do that when they are sworn in, usually. Either way, they ARE still pledging allegiance to the flag(As well as the Republic).
 
2012-10-05 02:31:01 AM

gadian: It's disgusting that we still make kids do this every day of their school lives. Like a kid knows what the hell they're saying and the ramifications. What kind of sick country expects their youth to verbally pledge allegiance daily? Isn't one time, when someone turns 18 and by choice, enough?


Seems a little Hitler Youth to me, the more I think about it.
 
2012-10-05 02:36:01 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: Rashnu: doctrinally contradictory

Band name!

What? It rolls off the tongue.

/Okay, no it doesn't.


Could have been a Dead Kennedys' song back in the day, though.
 
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