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(The National Memo)   Mitt promises 12 million new jobs, eliminate the deficit, & lower taxes. Wall Street investor does the math: "At a 25 percent Federal tax rate on all the new income, the average new job would have to pay a mere $433,333 per year to fill the gap"   (nationalmemo.com) divider line 387
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2012-10-04 06:23:49 PM
I've yet to hear how a President can actually create jobs, from either candidate. Unless you are talking about the WPA, the Prez has very little to do with it. You can't do the WPA today because you can't send a bunch of guys into the desert to live in tents and sling shovels with no Union rules and no OSHA, even if they might be happy to have those jobs.

The only way to create jobs at home is to limit foreign products. And that will never happen. Not when our leaders are deep in bed with foreign companies and foreign banks and foreign kingdoms. And Walmart.

You want to create a million jobs? Ban foreign cars.
 
2012-10-04 06:23:54 PM
You can tell how much an article totally destroyed Republicans based on the total lack of paid shills in the thread.
 
2012-10-04 06:23:59 PM
hey were are all the usual suspects to defend Romney? Shift change?
 
2012-10-04 06:24:08 PM

WhyteRaven74: meat0918: Isn't that exactly what Reagan did???

Yes, yes it is.


Didn;t Kennedy do it too?
 
2012-10-04 06:24:44 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Romney's plans are the very definition of pie in the sky. There is no way they can work,even if he had 100% cooperations from Congress and was able to enact every plan he wants.


My understanding is that the economy will add 12 million jobs in the next four years no matter who's president. That's only 250,000 jobs a month. Not really an ambitious number.
 
2012-10-04 06:24:48 PM
Romney can't imagine living on less.
 
2012-10-04 06:25:29 PM

Solid Muldoon: You want to create a million jobs? Ban foreign cars.


b-b-but stockholders!
 
2012-10-04 06:26:37 PM

meat0918: Corvus: nevirus: Yeah, but you did the math without including Romney's super-secret numbers that make it all revenue-neutral and add jobs and bring down the deficit.

Even if you don't do the math. If it's not going to be a tax cut because the deductions are in theory going to balance it out how is it going to help anyone?? We might have a simpler tax code but if what Romney is saying is true (which I think is not true, I think he plans to shift the tax burden to the middle and poor classes he is just using this as the pretext) then it won't save anyone one penny on their taxes.

And another thing.

Didn't Romney say he would lower the rate while closing loopholes, and then claim no one had ever done that before?

Isn't that exactly what Reagan did???


Reagan also had balance budgets and the national deficit was $0 when he left office.
 
2012-10-04 06:26:42 PM

WhyteRaven74: hey were are all the usual suspects to defend Romney? Shift change?


They are off vomiting blood over the sudden realization that they have just spent the past 20 hours defending Romney.

They'll be back in a few.
 
2012-10-04 06:27:07 PM

Solid Muldoon: The only way to create jobs at home is to limit foreign products.


horse hockey

meat0918: Didn;t Kennedy do it too?


Sort of, but keep in mind Kennedy never got to do all he planned as far as taxes goes.
 
2012-10-04 06:27:46 PM

Solid Muldoon: 've yet to hear how a President can actually create jobs, from either candidate. Unless you are talking about the WPA, the Prez has very little to do with it. You can't do the WPA today because you can't send a bunch of guys into the desert to live in tents and sling shovels with no Union rules and no OSHA, even if they might be happy to have those jobs.

The only way to create jobs at home is to limit foreign products. And that will never happen. Not when our leaders are deep in bed with foreign companies and foreign banks and foreign kingdoms. And Walmart.

You want to create a million jobs? Ban foreign cars.


Buy 2400 F-35s?
 
2012-10-04 06:28:23 PM

gilgigamesh: WhyteRaven74: hey were are all the usual suspects to defend Romney? Shift change?

They are off vomiting blood over the sudden realization that they have just spent the past 20 hours defending Romney.

They'll be back in a few.


To be fair, it's not all blood.

/Yes, mixed together
 
2012-10-04 06:28:37 PM

WhyteRaven74: Solid Muldoon: The only way to create jobs at home is to limit foreign products.

horse hockey

meat0918: Didn;t Kennedy do it too?

Sort of, but keep in mind Kennedy never got to do all he planned as far as taxes goes.



FTFY
 
2012-10-04 06:28:43 PM

WhyteRaven74: hey were are all the usual suspects to defend Romney? Shift change?


They saw the canary Big Bird in the coal mine.
 
2012-10-04 06:29:01 PM
One of my FB friends put this bullshiat up as their cover photo:

3.bp.blogspot.com

I linked Snopes for clarification on who actually said it. I got this in response, a few replies after his friends were circle-jerking each other over the evils of "liberals":

"I hate it when people hide behind snopes/APfactcheck/etc. Does it make them feel better that they can provide a link to disprove/discredit something else? These are wise words regardless."

Translation: "I hate when people use facts to show that I'm wrong about what I believe in. Rather than educate myself and learn what my ideology stands for, I'd rather circle-jerk\echo chamber my friends on Facebook because nothing says intellectualism like reading and hearing what I already believed in."

I'm sure you guys knew this, though.
 
2012-10-04 06:29:46 PM

ddam: Reagan also had balance budgets and the national deficit was $0 when he left office.


Are you farking high?

Reagan left office in '88 having doubled the deficit he inherited from Carter.

This cult of Reagan crap is out of control.
 
2012-10-04 06:29:59 PM
ghall3:
Buy 2400 F-35s?

As a Canadian, I hate those farking things.
 
2012-10-04 06:30:15 PM

Tommy Moo: , more realistically, let's say you could create 12 million jobs, Mr. Romney. And each job pays an average of $8,000 in federal income tax. You have now raised $96 billion per year, or about 7% of the federal deficit.


Lets have more fun.

I will be more generous. Let us say that each new job results in $10,000 in new taxes (unlikely). And lets assume that 150 million workers (bit of an overestimate) who already have jobs get raises as to pay an additional $2,000 in federal taxes (very unlikely). That is 420 billion per year. That is 32% of the deficit.
 
2012-10-04 06:33:01 PM

ManateeGag: if that's the case, where can I get one of those 430K/year jobs?


That's just barely into the middle class according to Romney.
 
2012-10-04 06:33:11 PM

TheMysteriousStranger: Lets have more fun.


Cut funding to PBS, and you save 0.012% on the budget.
 
2012-10-04 06:34:34 PM

aircraftkiller: One of my FB friends put this bullshiat up as their cover photo:


I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom --Ronald Reagan
 
2012-10-04 06:36:23 PM

gilgigamesh: ddam: Reagan also had balance budgets and the national deficit was $0 when he left office.

Are you farking high?

Reagan left office in '88 having doubled the deficit he inherited from Carter.

This cult of Reagan crap is out of control.


I didn't think he was serious. Everyone knows Reagan used the deficit and government spending to spike the economy and ride the good times in his second term.
 
2012-10-04 06:36:40 PM
let me guess, there would be no increase in corporate revenue when people start having jobs and salaries and stuff.
 
2012-10-04 06:37:04 PM

Isitoveryet: Solid Muldoon: You want to create a million jobs? Ban foreign cars.

b-b-but stockholders!


They day America began to die was the first time anyone ever said the phrase, "We had an obligation to our shareholders."
 
2012-10-04 06:38:18 PM

wippit: TheMysteriousStranger: Lets have more fun.

Cut funding to PBS, and you save 0.012% on the budget.


Heck, eliminate all spending besides the military, security, interest, social security, and medicare and you would not even remotely eliminate the deficit.

Clearly one of those sacred cows is going to have to be cut or taxes raises. Romney does not want to tell you that. To be truthful, Obama is almost as bad -- but at least he will at least acknowledge that we do have to up some taxes.
 
2012-10-04 06:38:50 PM

aircraftkiller: One of my FB friends put this bullshiat up as their cover photo:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x518]

I linked Snopes for clarification on who actually said it. I got this in response, a few replies after his friends were circle-jerking each other over the evils of "liberals":

"I hate it when people hide behind snopes/APfactcheck/etc. Does it make them feel better that they can provide a link to disprove/discredit something else? These are wise words regardless."

Translation: "I hate when people use facts to show that I'm wrong about what I believe in. Rather than educate myself and learn what my ideology stands for, I'd rather circle-jerk\echo chamber my friends on Facebook because nothing says intellectualism like reading and hearing what I already believed in."

I'm sure you guys knew this, though.

To be truly free, the free man must not only be entitled to his own opinion, he must also be entitled to his own facts.

~ The Litany of Dissonance, The Book of Derp
 
2012-10-04 06:39:16 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: aircraftkiller: One of my FB friends put this bullshiat up as their cover photo:

I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom --Ronald Reagan


"If you having girl problems I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but a biatch ain't one".

- William "Tecumseh" Sherman
 
2012-10-04 06:39:49 PM

fusillade762: AdolfOliverPanties: Romney's plans are the very definition of pie in the sky. There is no way they can work,even if he had 100% cooperations from Congress and was able to enact every plan he wants.

My understanding is that the economy will add 12 million jobs in the next four years no matter who's president. That's only 250,000 jobs a month. Not really an ambitious number.


I used to hear that Romney pledged to drop the unemployment rate to 6% after his first 4 years. That would be about a 2% drop in unemployment in four years. Which is about the same amount the unemployment rate has dropped under Obama, 10% at it's highest rate in October '09 to 8.1% today. I haven't heard this talking point in a while.
 
2012-10-04 06:40:11 PM

Nadie_AZ: gilgigamesh: ddam: Reagan also had balance budgets and the national deficit was $0 when he left office.

Are you farking high?

Reagan left office in '88 having doubled the deficit he inherited from Carter.

This cult of Reagan crap is out of control.

I didn't think he was serious. Everyone knows Reagan used the deficit and government spending to spike the economy and ride the good times in his second term.


I read it as likely snark, but Poe's Law suggests their is the possibility...
 
2012-10-04 06:40:29 PM
This is just payback from Wall St. for Obama's sweetheart Dodd-Frank deal.
 
2012-10-04 06:40:33 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: let me guess, there would be no increase in corporate revenue when people start having jobs and salaries and stuff.


so the government can help itself to corporate revenues now?
 
2012-10-04 06:41:23 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: let me guess, there would be no increase in corporate revenue when people start having jobs and salaries and stuff.


There won't be any net jobs created by cutting the top marginal tax rate.
 
2012-10-04 06:41:30 PM
So, in essence, Romney understands what QE3 is about.


/print the money until we all float on it.
 
2012-10-04 06:41:41 PM

wippit: As a Canadian, I hate those farking things.


At least you arn't buying 2400 of them.

Also being a single engine fighter and patrolling the great white north will probably mean you will be rid of them about a decade after they go in service....

Anyway....Romeny: "And then a miracle occurs..."
 
2012-10-04 06:43:43 PM

violentsalvation: *click*

[i798.photobucket.com image 539x359]

*closes tab*


yeah! cause its so hard to click the no button. oh wait.. you had to click close tab.. which kind of identical.. and then you opened it back up, took a screen shot and posted it to the thread.. you certainly dont have too much time on your hands.. get a job fascist!
 
2012-10-04 06:43:48 PM

ddam: Clutch2013: Nadie_AZ: violentsalvation: *click*

[i798.photobucket.com image 539x359]

*closes tab*

I hate those floating things. I don't care if it was some hot chick asking me for a hot night on the beaches in Hawaii all expenses paid.

What's worse, that crap's coming up on damn near every website nowadays.

No, I don't want to fill out your frickin' survey. Just let me get my frickin' cheat code, please, or let me take a closer look at the product I was going to buy from your website until you floated that crap all over the image.

What's even worse is browsing fark at work on IE 7 and having it crash every few minutes due to some of the ads on this site. I don't have a choice in what browser I use :(


Can't use a portable browser?
 
2012-10-04 06:44:04 PM
Did Romney say he was "going to reduce the deficit"? Or, did he say he was "going to reduce the deficit to zero"?

If the first is true, the statement under scrutiny may be true as well.
 
2012-10-04 06:45:37 PM

Somacandra: impaler: 12 million new jobs paying $433,333 per year? Sign me up!

The catch is that all these jobs consist of taking it in the ass from China.


static.tvguide.com

"Oh, is that what all the fuss was about? Ok, no problem."

/straight to hell.
 
2012-10-04 06:46:07 PM

ddam: meat0918: Corvus: nevirus: Yeah, but you did the math without including Romney's super-secret numbers that make it all revenue-neutral and add jobs and bring down the deficit.

Even if you don't do the math. If it's not going to be a tax cut because the deductions are in theory going to balance it out how is it going to help anyone?? We might have a simpler tax code but if what Romney is saying is true (which I think is not true, I think he plans to shift the tax burden to the middle and poor classes he is just using this as the pretext) then it won't save anyone one penny on their taxes.

And another thing.

Didn't Romney say he would lower the rate while closing loopholes, and then claim no one had ever done that before?

Isn't that exactly what Reagan did???

Reagan also had balance budgets and the national deficit was $0 when he left office.



umm... Really? because this chart says otherwise.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-04 06:46:20 PM

aircraftkiller: One of my FB friends put this bullshiat up as their cover photo:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x518]

I linked Snopes for clarification on who actually said it. I got this in response, a few replies after his friends were circle-jerking each other over the evils of "liberals":

"I hate it when people hide behind snopes/APfactcheck/etc. Does it make them feel better that they can provide a link to disprove/discredit something else? These are wise words regardless."

Translation: "I hate when people use facts to show that I'm wrong about what I believe in. Rather than educate myself and learn what my ideology stands for, I'd rather circle-jerk\echo chamber my friends on Facebook because nothing says intellectualism like reading and hearing what I already believed in."

I'm sure you guys knew this, though.


Reminds me of a facebook conversation that was going around a few years back. The Boobieser said something about how the earth would freeze if it were one foot further, and burn if it were one foot closer to the sun. Then followed it with something about how God is so amazing that he can do that. A couple people started circle-jerking about how awesome God is to plan the earth's orbit like that. Then some guy broke stroke and told them about how the earth's path is an elliptical orbit, and how many tens of thousands of miles difference the major and minor axis are from each other, and how that's why we have colder winters in the northern hemisphere and warmer summers in the southern. The original poster started cursing about how nobody asked his opinion and how he better not say that he's wrong again. It was complete with f-bombs and exclamation points, solidifying that this person was indeed a Christian.
 
2012-10-04 06:46:45 PM
"States should manage their own Medicaid. They know what's best for their poor"
 
2012-10-04 06:48:33 PM

gilgigamesh: PC LOAD LETTER: aircraftkiller: One of my FB friends put this bullshiat up as their cover photo:

I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom --Ronald Reagan

"If you having girl problems I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but a biatch ain't one".

- William "Tecumseh" Sherman


"When another blames you or hates you, or people voice similar criticisms, go to their souls, penetrate inside and see what sort of people they are. You will realize that there is no need to be racked with anxiety that they should hold any particular opinion about you." --Dan Quayle
 
2012-10-04 06:49:28 PM

Solid Muldoon: I've yet to hear how a President can actually create jobs, from either candidate. Unless you are talking about the WPA, the Prez has very little to do with it. You can't do the WPA today because you can't send a bunch of guys into the desert to live in tents and sling shovels with no Union rules and no OSHA, even if they might be happy to have those jobs.

The only way to create jobs at home is to limit foreign products. And that will never happen. Not when our leaders are deep in bed with foreign companies and foreign banks and foreign kingdoms. And Walmart.

You want to create a million jobs? Ban foreign cars.


How about trying to support businesses bringing jobs back from overseas and ending subsidies for those outsourcing?

Because one party wanted that, while the other's candidate claimed last night that those breaks don't exist.
 
2012-10-04 06:51:22 PM
Until he's clear on what deductions and exemptions he'll remove he isn't really guaranteeing anything. Not in terms of how it'd affect anyone, middle class or any class. Anyone who walked away feeling reassured is a fool.
 
2012-10-04 06:51:27 PM

ghall3: wippit: As a Canadian, I hate those farking things.

At least you arn't buying 2400 of them.


True.

On the flip side, apparently you're selling about 700 of them to other countries (we're buying 65). Personally, for Canada's needs, I think they're useless. I'd rather we bought something like V-22's. We don't need the fighter-aspects of a plane, just its versatility... better to go with a turboprop, IMO.
 
2012-10-04 06:51:32 PM

Smackledorfer: How about trying to support businesses bringing jobs back from overseas and ending subsidies for those outsourcing?

Because one party wanted that, while the other's candidate claimed last night that those breaks don't exist.



Just one of many head-scratchers. He was quite emphatic about it, too.
 
2012-10-04 06:53:22 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: let me guess, there would be no increase in corporate revenue when people start having jobs and salaries and stuff.


Okay, propose some numbers and do the math.

I bet you can't.

The whole point is that the numbers are so outrageously wrong that no matter what you take into account that the number still we not add up.

And the GOP wants to lower corporate taxes anyways. If this is done that your numbers will have to be adjusted again.

There is no conceivable way that make Mitt's numbers work.

More fun. A 1.3 trillion dollar deficit is $4333 per every person in the U.S. assuming a population of 300 million. Of course children don't pay federal taxes and people with low incomes (poor people, retirees, etc.) pay very little. So really the $4333 is way too low. When you see the magnitude of the problem and then you see a promise of tax cuts, unwillingness to cut entitlements, the reality the interest must be paid, the idea the the military needs to be expanded, etc. Then you know to call B.S.
 
2012-10-04 06:57:03 PM

RyogaM: Smackledorfer: How about trying to support businesses bringing jobs back from overseas and ending subsidies for those outsourcing?

Because one party wanted that, while the other's candidate claimed last night that those breaks don't exist.


Just one of many head-scratchers. He was quite emphatic about it, too.


It works. After a half hour of the rednecks i work with talking aboutte debate i managed to take them from "romney didnt lie" to "both sides stretch the truth. Its politics. Plus obama said the debt would be cut in half by now"

Idiots.
 
2012-10-04 06:58:58 PM
Don't Troll Me Bro!
Reminds me of a facebook conversation that was going around a few years back. The Boobieser said something about how the earth would freeze if it were one foot further, and burn if it were one foot closer to the sun. Then followed it with something about how God is so amazing that he can do that. A couple people started circle-jerking about how awesome God is to plan the earth's orbit like that. Then some guy broke stroke and told them about how the earth's path is an elliptical orbit, and how many tens of thousands of miles difference the major and minor axis are from each other, and how that's why we have colder winters in the northern hemisphere and warmer summers in the southern. The original poster started cursing about how nobody asked his opinion and how he better not say that he's wrong again. It was complete with f-bombs and exclamation points, solidifying that this person was indeed a Christian.

I get that quite often. I grew up about 20 miles north of Orlando, which essentially turns into Jesusland/Redneckville pretty quickly. I didn't realize some of these people were so batshiat crazy until I decided to add them as friends in preparation for the 10 year reunion next weekend. For perspective, the Chick-Fil-A debacle prompted one of my FB friends to post this garbage, CSB incoming:

"I support Chick-fil-a because I've been Redeemed.

To Gov Alderman of Chicago: American commerce is a way of life here in the States no matter what your opinion is. However, if there is nothing else better to do I would hope you would put such efforts into decreasing the number of casinos and strip clubs, rather than denouncing community supporting, family restaurants in your great city.

To concerned parties:
1.) God doesn't hate. He cannot because He is love. In every perfect form and fashion. He loves all people and ALL people are sinners;
"This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." - Romans 3:22-24

our sins are just different. Yes. Sin.
"...Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

2.) That is why He came;
'For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.' - John 3:16

3.) God designed marriage for man & woman.
"Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. And Adam said: 'This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.' Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."
-Genesis 2:18-25 (NKJV)

4.) He made you & therefore would never think you are "icky".
"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb."-Psalm 139:13
-BUT-

I can't grab one part of the scripture and say God wants you to be blessed and live an abundant life, and not grab the other part that says, you shouldn't live that way.

"Which is easier: to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'?"- Matthew 9:5
We have to choose righteousness and 'Get up & walk' in it.

reason 1: "I just can't help but be this way"--
"To the extent that biological or social factors may contribute to a person's bent toward homosexual behavior, this does not excuse it. Some people have a strong bent towards stealing or abuse of alcohol, but they still choose to engage or not engage in this behavior the law rightly holds them accountable." (Ann Lamont , Creation Ministries International)
Yes, habits can be enslaving.

reason 2: "I was made this way"--
You were made with gender, race and impairments. This relates to what a person is.
Homosexuality relates to what a person does.

Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. And Adam said: 'This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.' Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."
-Genesis 2:18-25 (NKJV)

reason 3: "It's nobody else's business"--
God, our Designer and Creator, has authority over all aspects of our lives. He makes the rules, and He quite specifically forbids homosexual behavior. (Ann Lamont , CMI)
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22; see also Leviticus 20:13).

"Liberal" churches espouse tolerance of homosexual behavior in the name of "love." They plug for the acceptance of homosexual conduct as normal, "because they can't help it." They are not only wrong about the latter, but they are actually not being at all loving towards homosexuals, because, contrary to the Bible, they reduce the homosexual person to the level of an animal, driven by instinct. In removing moral responsibility from the person, they dehumanize them, whereas the Bible says we are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27), with the power of moral choice. (Ann Lamont , CMI)

As a Christian, I care too much about people to not tell the truth. I have family that choose to be gay. But I serve a mighty God who gave me His word to give me life everlasting. I didn't write it. But I must strive to do my best just as everyone else. I am not perfect but saved by grace. We all can be Redeemed.

"We love because he first loved us." 1 John 4:19"


I replied with this:

I think most people don't care about the religious views of CFA's CEO - what they, and I, care about is having money donated to groups which think homosexuality should be outlawed.

I don't understand how people can say that they believe in the Lord while simultaneously persecuting homosexuals. The Lord is the ultimate arbiter of justice, and none of our words nor wisdom will change that. CFA would do right to donate to charities that will help the world instead of attempting to prevent homosexuals from having the same civil rights that the rest of us enjoy.

Whether or not anyone is gay has no relevance. All sin is "bad" according to the Lord. If you accept Jesus as your Lord and savior, you are saved. There is no perfection except that which is attained by the grace of the almighty, and since we all sin, that would mean that we all would be punished accordingly.

Even if that were the case, it still has no relevance to civil rights in America, which is a country that is founded on the principles of freedom - including freedom from persecution and the ideal that all men were created equal. CFA has no business donating to hate groups like the Family Research Council.


The derpy replies stopped after I posted that chain e-mail about eating shellfish, wearing two types of thread, etc...
 
2012-10-04 06:59:55 PM
shiat, I posted entirely in bold. I don't post here anywhere near enough to pull my head out of my ass in regards to the commenting system
 
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