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(The National Memo)   Mitt promises 12 million new jobs, eliminate the deficit, & lower taxes. Wall Street investor does the math: "At a 25 percent Federal tax rate on all the new income, the average new job would have to pay a mere $433,333 per year to fill the gap"   (nationalmemo.com) divider line 387
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2012-10-04 08:36:12 PM

t3knomanser: Mrtraveler01: Romney won, but he was all style and no substance.

If we were picking analogies, would you say that, perhaps, Romney was an "empty suit"?


Why yes...yes I would.
 
2012-10-04 08:38:07 PM

Mrtraveler01: cabbyman: Obama got schooled!

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Romney won, but he was all style and no substance. Romney offered nothing new last night in terms of policy, he was just same ole, same ole.

Agreed?


Nothing new? He introduced America to the real MItt Romney, not the one that the left has been babbling about in the papers. He showed his leadership meddle which was a stark contrast to Obama's coy fumbling. America saw that there was an alternative to the status quo. Two more debates like this and Romney has a puncher's chance!
 
2012-10-04 08:38:23 PM

ddam: ...
Reagan also had balance budgets and the national deficit was $0 when he left office.




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2012-10-04 08:40:01 PM
Mitt probably believes that's what jobs pay, what with the middle class around $250K.
 
2012-10-04 08:41:34 PM

sno man: Are there even 12M Americans making $433k currently?


Not sure, how many professional welfare recipients are there?
 
2012-10-04 08:43:51 PM

cabbyman: He introduced America to the real MItt Romney, not the one that the left has been babbling about in the papers.


The one that was proud of Romneycare instead of the one that was ashamed of it during the primaries?

He showed his leadership meddle which was a stark contrast to Obama's coy fumbling.

Oh yes, he worked with Democrats back when he was Governor of Massachusetts, back when he was a New England Republican. Which is just slightly to the left of a Southern Democrat. Can't forget that massive accomplishment.
 
2012-10-04 08:44:31 PM

sugardave: sno man: Are there even 12M Americans making $433k currently?

Not sure, how many professional welfare recipients are there?


Does Boeing and Lockheed Martin count?
 
2012-10-04 08:45:41 PM

Shaggy_C: A President is the Chief Executive. The point of the Executive is to set a strategic plan. They don't have to worry about the operational or tactical plans. That is why Obama failed - diving too much into specifics doesn't work when your track record has shown you to be distant and aloof when it comes to the legislation your party is struggling to put through congress. No one believes his shiat any more.


No, Obama is failing because Republicans are refusing to tax multi-millionaires at the same tax rate as the rest of us. Do us all a favor and pull your head out of your ass.
 
2012-10-04 08:46:39 PM

smimmy: Shaggy_C: A President is the Chief Executive. The point of the Executive is to set a strategic plan. They don't have to worry about the operational or tactical plans. That is why Obama failed - diving too much into specifics doesn't work when your track record has shown you to be distant and aloof when it comes to the legislation your party is struggling to put through congress. No one believes his shiat any more.


No, Obama is failing because Republicans are refusing to tax multi-millionaires at the same tax rate as the rest of us. Do us all a favor and pull your head out of your ass.


And Romney wants to fix that by getting rid of the deductions that allow for that to happen.

Romney wants America to win!
 
2012-10-04 08:47:35 PM

Mrtraveler01: What has Romney offered to have a workable outcome for all 3?


The point was that he is a flip-flopping compromiser - he's going to nominally cut taxes while actually raising revenues by taking away a ton of deductions, he'll end up slashing budgets even at the beloved pentagon, and, since presidents do nothing to create jobs, he'll do nothing.
 
2012-10-04 08:48:02 PM

sno man: Are there even 12M Americans making $433k currently?


I know, bad form, but I went and looked it up and you all were taking too long...

Best guess is this is 1% territory, your census catagories top out at $250k so no actual hard numbers. So 1% of 320M(ish) is about 3.2M Americans
So this plan needs the salaries of the 1% to expand to about 5% to work... Did I drop a zero somewhere? Or did someone else?
 
2012-10-04 08:48:57 PM

cabbyman: And Romney wants to fix that by getting rid of the deductions that allow for that to happen.

Romney wants America to win!


It's sad you actually believe that crap. (BTW: Which deductions does he want to get rid of?)

You can close all the deduction you want and you would still run into a deficit with the tax cuts Romney wants to propose.
 
2012-10-04 08:49:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: cabbyman: He introduced America to the real MItt Romney, not the one that the left has been babbling about in the papers.

The one that was proud of Romneycare instead of the one that was ashamed of it during the primaries?

He showed his leadership meddle which was a stark contrast to Obama's coy fumbling.

Oh yes, he worked with Democrats back when he was Governor of Massachusetts, back when he was a New England Republican. Which is just slightly to the left of a Southern Democrat. Can't forget that massive accomplishment.


If he wins, what does is say about Americans that his campaign admitted their etchasketch strategy and a month ago with the RNC talked openly about the new romney, and were serious.

If he wins with "everything that guy did that worked i will keep, and it'll cost less" after all he has said in the last year... Well I'll be annoyed.
 
2012-10-04 08:49:07 PM
Hello, I'm Mitt Romney.

I know some of you are saying that I lack charisma. Even so, I'd ask that you remember that I'm not blah, if you know what I mean.

Some others say that I'm out of touch, far away from the common man. But really, that just shows that I'm not near, if you follow me.

And perhaps my claims and figures are unrealistic. But I vow that when I'm president, I won't monkey around. I'm no monkey, is all I'm trying to say.

So, anyway, may the best man win. I know you'll make the right choice next month. See you at the racists!

Er, races, I mean. Races.
 
2012-10-04 08:49:32 PM

smimmy: No, Obama is failing because Republicans are refusing to tax multi-millionaires at the same tax rate as the rest of us.


Obama signed a bill giving billions of dollars in tax cuts to multi-millionaires not two years ago. It was the great Obama-McConnell Debt Increase of 2010. Don't you remember that December? Lame duck Democrats in the congress passed Republican legislation before the tea party even showed up to take their seats? Good times, good times.
 
2012-10-04 08:49:42 PM

Mrtraveler01: sugardave: sno man: Are there even 12M Americans making $433k currently?

Not sure, how many professional welfare recipients are there?

Does Boeing and Lockheed Martin count?


no no no, see they're Job Creators (hallejulah) and we must give them money, so it's not really welfare. It's in the bible
 
2012-10-04 08:49:49 PM

soy_bomb: [www.investors.com image 620x518]

/Once QE4 rolls out, $433,333 will be the poverty line.


George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Mitchell McConnell, John Boehner and Paul Ryan and their Wall Street Pals Bankrupted America and Mitt Romney Promises Even More of the Same

*The "Great" recession
*SEC fiasco (Madoff, et al)
*costly blunder known as Medicare part D
*massive tax cuts for the ultra rich without spending cuts
*numerous unfunded mandates imposed on the states
*effort to privatize Social Security by Bush then Ryan
*not one veto of a spending bill by Bush in 6 years (and Ryan voted for all of it)
*massive Wall Street bailout (Ryan voted for it)
*LIBOR scandal
*allowed HSBC to evade sanctions against Iran and to launder Mexican drug cartel money
*outright corruption and criminality

Paul Ryan voted FOR Bush's TARP (Wall Street bailout). He voted for everything Bush the budget buster wanted and added $5 trillion to the deficit. He became a budget hawk only in 2009.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?cur r entPage=all

Paul Ryan created plan to privatize Social Security in 2005: "The Social Security Personal Savings Guarantee and Prosperity Act of 2005" which even George W. Bush thought was "irresponsible"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/11/paul-rya n -isnt-a-deficit-hawk-hes-a-conservative-reformer/
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.01776

Romeny hired Bush's economic advisors
http://www.salon.com/2012/05/01/the_romney_bush_mind_meld/
http://current.com/community/93772940_large-number-of-bush-advisers-f l ocking-to-romneys-campaign-team.htm
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/10/romneys-team-starts-t o -look-like-bushs/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020477860457724158315245 0 486.html

Romney on the budget: increase defense budget, cut taxes for the ultra rich and no plan to pay for it
http://www.thenation.com/blog/167416/romneys-bad-math
http://news.yahoo.com/romney%E2%80%99s-budget-plan-shouldn%E2%80%99t- b e-a-secret-saved-for-wealthy-donors.html
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_20457404/romney-plans-big-cu t s-u-s-budget-but
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/05/24/experts-skeptical-of-r o mneys-defense-budget-plans

Bush Administration worst fiscal disaster in US history
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/66778/roger-c-altman-and-richa r d-n-haass/american-profligacy-and-american-power
Economic Damage Caused by Bush and the GOP
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/09/closing-the-book- o n-the-bush-legacy/26402

8 Years of Failure
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1872229_18 7 2230_1872231,00.html

Bush/Boehner/McConnell/Ryan $700 billion bank bailout
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/24/bush.bailout/index.html

Bush/Boehner/McConnell/Ryan bank bailout rewards the cheaters
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_7655582

On September 18, 2008, Congressman Boehner attended a closed meeting with congressional leaders, then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, and was urged to craft legislation to help financially troubled banks. That same day (trade effective the next day), Congressman Boehner cashed out of an equity mutual fund.[31]
Ryan also profited on inside information during the banking crisis
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/13/paul-ryan-sold-shares-ban k ing-crisis?CMP=EMCNEWEML1355

What Bush Learned From Enron: How to hide an $87 billion debt by pretending it's off the books.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2088318/

Is Bush a socialist? He's spending like one
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article570387.ece

Bush pleads with China and Japan to save him from his economic failures.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-10-19-bush-china-japan_x . htm

Bush White House Philosophy Stoked Mortgage Bonfire
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?_r=1&em=&page w anted=all
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR200 8 021302783.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020617-2.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021015-7.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031216-9.html
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2004/08/2004 0 809-9.html

Bush's Minority Homeownership Plan Rests Heavily on Fannie and Freddie (2006)
http://realtytimes.com/rtpages/20020624_bushplan.htm
http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-heads / 5944494-1.html
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/housing/2004-01-20-fha_x.htm

Community Reinvestment Act not to blame for Bush's crisis
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_cause_the_su b prime_crisis
http://www.slate.com/id/2201641/pagenum/all/%23page_start
http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/ c ommunity_reinvestment_act_had_nothing_to_do_with_subprime_crisis.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/12/03/feds-kroszner-defends-commu n ity-reinvestment-act/

The $10 trillion hangover: paying the price for 8 years of Bush
http://harpers.org/archive/2009/01/0082337
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/09/cheney-bush-left-gm-bankruptcy-for - the-next-guy/

Bush Administration waste and fraud
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1152ap_wartime_spending_oversi g ht.html?source=mypi

In June 1995, Boehner distributed campaign contributions from tobacco industry lobbyists on the House floor as House members were weighing how to vote on tobacco subsidies.[19] In a 1996 documentary by PBS called The People and the Power Game, Boehner said "They asked me to give out a half dozen checks quickly before we got to the end of the month and I complied. And I did it on the House floor."
 
2012-10-04 08:50:01 PM

cabbyman: Romney wants America to win!


Too bad he's still going to lose.

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2012-10-04 08:50:31 PM

Mrtraveler01: cabbyman: And Romney wants to fix that by getting rid of the deductions that allow for that to happen.

Romney wants America to win!

It's sad you actually believe that crap. (BTW: Which deductions does he want to get rid of?)

You can close all the deduction you want and you would still run into a deficit with the tax cuts Romney wants to propose.


You can take everything that rich people earn and still not cover the deficit that Obama is running now.

Stuff gotta change yo!
 
2012-10-04 08:52:01 PM

Mrtraveler01: cabbyman: He introduced America to the real MItt Romney, not the one that the left has been babbling about in the papers.

The one that was proud of Romneycare instead of the one that was ashamed of it during the primaries?

He showed his leadership meddle which was a stark contrast to Obama's coy fumbling.

Oh yes, he worked with Democrats back when he was Governor of Massachusetts, back when he was a New England Republican. Which is just slightly to the left of a Southern Democrat. Can't forget that massive accomplishment.


especially on a bill the Dems wanted to pass.
 
2012-10-04 08:52:41 PM

cabbyman: You can take everything that rich people earn and still not cover the deficit that Obama is running now.

Stuff gotta change yo!


So you don't know which deductions. But Romney wants America to win.

Too bad we're not part of Rmoney's Amercia. And neither are you.
 
2012-10-04 08:52:46 PM
Clinton added 22 Million jobs as president from 1993 to 2000.

Under Clintonian tax rates, federal tax receipts from all sources (Corporate and individual) went from $1.5 Trillion in 1993 to $2.3 T. in 2000, in constant (2005) dollars.

So, 22 million jobs = about $800 Million in additional revenue, if you have Clinton's tax rates/tax structure.

So, 11 million new jobs will get you about half that, or $400 million, under Clinton's taxes.

Romney's tax structure and rates, I assume, will be less than Clinton's, so adding 11 million will not even get you $400 million. Again, that's from all tax sources, Corporate and individual.

He is trying to fill a $1.3 Trillion hole, including an additional $300 billion in new military spending.

That extra million jobs he wants to add won't barely make a difference.

The numbers do not add up. At all.
 
US1
2012-10-04 08:52:53 PM

cabbyman: Obama got schooled!

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schooled? that empty suit was just empty; all romney did was lie; sadly since most white inbreds are stooopid (ie the honey boo boo crowd) mittens might win. since the thing is basically a american idol contest an empty suit could win.
 
2012-10-04 08:52:54 PM

cabbyman: You can take everything that rich people earn and still not cover the deficit that Obama is running now.


I think this is my most favorite idiotic point ever.

You could tax everything and still not fix the deficit, so don't do it at all!

That and the related "you could cut all defense spending and still not fix the deficit" are always good for a laugh
 
2012-10-04 08:53:01 PM

cabbyman: You can take everything that rich people earn and still not cover the deficit that Obama is running now.


You're right.

Hey, I got this crazy and radical idea that just might work.

How about we cut spending AND raise taxes at the same time? Maybe we'll finally get somewhere with paying off that debt without having to privatize everything huh?

Because without bringing more revenue in, the cuts in spending will be nothing but a feel good gesture (which in all honesty is the only thing I think the GOP really cares about)
 
2012-10-04 08:53:33 PM

Shaggy_C: smimmy: No, Obama is failing because Republicans are refusing to tax multi-millionaires at the same tax rate as the rest of us.

Obama signed a bill giving billions of dollars in tax cuts to multi-millionaires not two years ago. It was the great Obama-McConnell Debt Increase of 2010. Don't you remember that December? Lame duck Democrats in the congress passed Republican legislation before the tea party even showed up to take their seats? Good times, good times.


he had to in order to get the debt ceiling raised. it wasn't like the GOP willing to compromise.
 
2012-10-04 08:54:47 PM
Are we sure this math is right? I didn't see where he carried the potato.
 
2012-10-04 08:54:58 PM

Solid Muldoon: The only way to create jobs at home is to limit foreign products. And that will never happen. Not when our leaders are deep in bed with foreign companies and foreign banks and foreign kingdoms. And Walmart. You want to create a million jobs? Ban foreign cars.


I think the World Trade Organization, which we are a member of, would have a problem with this. Among other things. Protectionism on the part of the US will cause tariffs in US-sourced goods elsewhere too.
 
2012-10-04 08:55:58 PM

Mrtraveler01: cabbyman: You can take everything that rich people earn and still not cover the deficit that Obama is running now.

You're right.

Hey, I got this crazy and radical idea that just might work.

How about we cut spending AND raise taxes at the same time? Maybe we'll finally get somewhere with paying off that debt without having to privatize everything huh?

Because without bringing more revenue in, the cuts in spending will be nothing but a feel good gesture (which in all honesty is the only thing I think the GOP really cares about)


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2012-10-04 08:56:18 PM

Mrtraveler01: cabbyman: You can take everything that rich people earn and still not cover the deficit that Obama is running now.

You're right.

Hey, I got this crazy and radical idea that just might work.

How about we cut spending AND raise taxes at the same time? Maybe we'll finally get somewhere with paying off that debt without having to privatize everything huh?

Because without bringing more revenue in, the cuts in spending will be nothing but a feel good gesture (which in all honesty is the only thing I think the GOP really cares about)


The fiscal cliff cuts our spending.

Removing deductions raises revenue.

America wins!
 
2012-10-04 08:56:54 PM

sugardave: sno man: Are there even 12M Americans making $433k currently?

Not sure, how many professional welfare recipients are there?


I don't know. How many farmers are receiving subsidies and how many corporations exist in the US?
 
2012-10-04 08:57:22 PM

Mrtraveler01: Because without bringing more revenue in, the cuts in spending will be nothing but a feel good gesture (which in all honesty is the only thing I think the GOP really cares about)


What? You mean firing Big Bird and kicking Welfare Queens off the government teat isn't going to turn things around?

I think you misunderestimate the positive effects on morale that a good scapegoating can have.
 
2012-10-04 08:57:35 PM

cabbyman: Removing deductions raises revenue.


Your deductions. Bite the pillow, Mitt's coming in dry.
 
2012-10-04 08:58:26 PM

cabbyman: Removing deductions raises revenue.


I think this is where someone points out that there have never been enough deductions mentioned to resolve the deficit issue in any meaningful way.
 
kab
2012-10-04 08:58:31 PM
To be fair, did he actually state that he aimed to completely eliminate the deficit in 4 years? I actually don't recall him saying that.
 
2012-10-04 08:58:43 PM

US1: cabbyman: Obama got schooled!

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schooled? that empty suit was just empty; all romney did was lie; sadly since most white inbreds are stooopid (ie the honey boo boo crowd) mittens might win. since the thing is basically a american idol contest an empty suit could win.


Hey, racist, stop being so racist!

Also, Obama is proof that an empty suit can get elected. The question is have we learned enough not to make the same mistake again.
 
2012-10-04 08:59:54 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: cabbyman: Removing deductions raises revenue.

Your deductions. Bite the pillow, Mitt's coming in dry.


At least with Mitt we get a reach around.

Obama never even had the common courtesy to give us that!
 
2012-10-04 09:00:30 PM

cabbyman: Removing deductions raises revenue.


Except that you can't remove enough deductions to make Mitt's tax plan revenue neutral.
 
2012-10-04 09:00:54 PM

cabbyman: The fiscal cliff cuts our spending.

Removing deductions raises revenue.

America wins!


And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!
 
2012-10-04 09:01:10 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Too bad he's still going to lose.


Like I said. Two more debates like this and he has a puncher's chance.

Otherwise, you're probably right...
 
2012-10-04 09:02:11 PM

Mrtraveler01: cabbyman: Removing deductions raises revenue.

Except that you can't remove enough deductions to make Mitt's tax plan revenue neutral.


That's where the "less spending" part comes in.
 
2012-10-04 09:02:39 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: sugardave: sno man: Are there even 12M Americans making $433k currently?

Not sure, how many professional welfare recipients are there?

I don't know. How many farmers are receiving subsidies and how many corporations exist in the US?


But do they own refrigerators, HD TVs, and drive Cadillacs? I don't think so.
 
2012-10-04 09:02:58 PM

cabbyman: At least with Mitt we get a reach around.


No, he's not, but Those People are gonna get it worse - or so you've been led to believe - so its all good. Hook, line, and sucker.
 
2012-10-04 09:04:16 PM

cabbyman: Mrtraveler01: cabbyman: Removing deductions raises revenue.

Except that you can't remove enough deductions to make Mitt's tax plan revenue neutral.

That's where the "less spending" part comes in.


How much spending do you think we have to cut to make Romney's plan revenue neutral?

And don't forget, Romney wants to increase Medicare spending as well as Defense spending in the process.
 
2012-10-04 09:04:17 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: cabbyman: At least with Mitt we get a reach around.

No, he's not, but Those People are gonna get it worse - or so you've been led to believe - so its all good. Hook, line, and sucker.


So we should do the same thing and expect different results?

Gotcha!
 
2012-10-04 09:04:23 PM
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I'm sorry folks, it's staged. I tried for years giving 'them' the benefit of the doubt but, Obama's just not that stupid, and Romney's not that lucky. They're Harvard chums after all, but don't you believe a word of it.

As one simple example among many; what exactly did Obama say to Medvedev over that hot-mike?
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"After my election, I have more flexibility."
Not, "if I win" the election, no, "after my election."

Oh, but that could mean this, or that could mean that. Of course. But the strain of logic is pointing me in another, obvious direction. Obama will win reelection, and be more flexible, whatever the hell that means. And, at the highest levels, it's all been thoroughly planned, and scripted for maximum attention. Or perhaps I simply don't care to doubt any longer?

Could something wild and unexpected happen? Sure, I guess. But I hope not. We're in enough trouble as it is.

/enjoy the show
 
2012-10-04 09:05:02 PM

cabbyman: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: cabbyman: At least with Mitt we get a reach around.

No, he's not, but Those People are gonna get it worse - or so you've been led to believe - so its all good. Hook, line, and sucker.

So we should do the same thing and expect different results?

Gotcha!


Excactly, which is why I'm not voting for a guy who embraces Bush-era economic policies on steroids.
 
US1
2012-10-04 09:06:54 PM

cabbyman: US1: cabbyman: Obama got schooled!

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schooled? that empty suit was just empty; all romney did was lie; sadly since most white inbreds are stooopid (ie the honey boo boo crowd) mittens might win. since the thing is basically a american idol contest an empty suit could win.

Hey, racist, stop being so racist!

Also, Obama is proof that an empty suit can get elected. The question is have we learned enough not to make the same mistake again.


Just calling a spade a spade

3.bp.blogspot.com

www.obamaftw.com

thinkprogress.org
 
2012-10-04 09:09:17 PM

cabbyman: Mrtraveler01: cabbyman: Removing deductions raises revenue.

Except that you can't remove enough deductions to make Mitt's tax plan revenue neutral.

That's where the "less spending" part comes in.


Except ... where are these spending cuts? The Democrats proposed two significant areas to control spending; defense appropriations and medicare. The Republicans freaked out - at least about cutting subsidies to defense contractors; not so much to telling grandma to bid out her chemo treatments to Aetna and Blue Cross.

They were offered $4 in spending cuts for $1 in taxes. Nope. $5 for $1. Nope. Even $10 in spending cuts - solid, painful, clearly-identified and real cuts - for $1 in taxes to offset the Bush tax deficits - and they still turned it down, without exception.
 
2012-10-04 09:09:27 PM
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