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(io9)   Eleven-year-old boy discovers one of the most exquisitely preserved wooly mammoths ever. LET THE CLONING BEGIN   (io9.com) divider line 140
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2012-10-04 04:17:51 PM
Yabba-Dabba-Doo!
 
2012-10-04 04:20:24 PM
15 year-old male that weighed half a ton

What's his login?
 
2012-10-04 04:20:43 PM
Pictures of said mammoth

i.dailymail.co.uk

i.dailymail.co.uk

i.dailymail.co.uk

Link
 
2012-10-04 04:22:32 PM
They're not wolly mammoths.
They're giant moles that live deep beneath the earth's surface.
 
2012-10-04 04:25:18 PM
I grew up in the 1960s. These things were all over Kansas. By dad hit one with the Rambler once.
 
2012-10-04 04:25:38 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: They're not wolly mammoths.
They're giant moles that live deep beneath the earth's surface.


Tremors III: Wooly's Revenge
 
2012-10-04 04:25:45 PM
The finest mammoth specimen ever is named after this kid.
This kid's nerd-cred is on the same order of magnitude as 50 cent's street cred
 
2012-10-04 04:26:24 PM

cwheelie: What hump?
[25.media.tumblr.com image 429x359]


LOL
 
2012-10-04 04:27:54 PM
Wonder what killed it? Can't beleve it was the cold because it was wooley.
 
2012-10-04 04:29:09 PM

Deep Contact: Wonder what killed it? Can't beleve it was the cold because it was wooley.


...and had a hump.
 
2012-10-04 04:29:27 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Headso: body of an approximately 15 year-old male that weighed half a ton

So what's the deal... are wooly mammoths supposed to only weigh as much as the fattest human and less than our draft horse or is the author of the article wrong or is that mammoth just a super model type?

Not sure that was the original weight or the post-pieces missing weight.


1000LB does seem small for an elephant type creature. Wikipedia doesn't list a weight, but it says that dwarf varieties were about as tall as 6.6ft. That might corespond to a 1000lb creature.
 
2012-10-04 04:31:54 PM

Matthew Keene: Deep Contact: Wonder what killed it? Can't beleve it was the cold because it was wooley.

...and had a hump.


IT WAS NOT A TUMAH!
 
2012-10-04 04:32:15 PM
What heump?

a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2012-10-04 04:35:31 PM
Jesus, another thread about Ron Livingston's sister??
 
2012-10-04 04:35:55 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Jesus, another thread about Ron Livingston's sister??


You win
 
2012-10-04 04:36:00 PM
Damn, looks like the "balls" are long gone.
I guess it could be a female.

Is that what they call "pristine condition"? I was thinking pristine condition would mean "We're eating good tonight" condition.

/Did ya see that episode of Northern Exposure?
 
2012-10-04 04:36:07 PM

notchit: Pictures of said mammoth

i48.tinypic.com

 
2012-10-04 04:37:47 PM
 
2012-10-04 04:37:49 PM

Okieboy: Don't tell the guy in the thread above - he'll leave some more lube at the scene


i44.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-04 04:39:57 PM

Deep Contact: Wonder what killed it? Can't beleve it was the cold because it was wooley.


Some sections of permafrost had higher water content than others, and could/would Turn into bogs during summer months. Like bogs in more temperate areas, these trapped and drowned a lot of Pleistocene animals. They would often freeze up, and depending on the location and changes in local climate, that may never thaw out again.
 
2012-10-04 04:45:07 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Seems like we have the DNA for it. I would think they could at least make a mammoth-elephant hybrid.

/More interested in saber-toothed tigers.
//And Awks


I'd like aurochs
 
2012-10-04 04:49:28 PM
Nice

cdn2.screenjunkies.com
 
2012-10-04 04:58:08 PM
For some weird reason, the tagline as "Clowning"

"The Clowning has begun!"
images1.wikia.nocookie.net

\Too much ATHF
 
2012-10-04 04:58:47 PM
*I read

Stupid insert key...
 
2012-10-04 05:02:48 PM

cgraves67: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Headso: body of an approximately 15 year-old male that weighed half a ton

So what's the deal... are wooly mammoths supposed to only weigh as much as the fattest human and less than our draft horse or is the author of the article wrong or is that mammoth just a super model type?

Not sure that was the original weight or the post-pieces missing weight.

1000LB does seem small for an elephant type creature. Wikipedia doesn't list a weight, but it says that dwarf varieties were about as tall as 6.6ft. That might corespond to a 1000lb creature.



Typical weight for an adult woolly mammoth was around 7 to 9 tons, so this is a pretty small one (assuming the reporting is accurate, which is not always advisable).
 
2012-10-04 05:04:08 PM

JMel: Sure is nice of them to inlcude a 200 F'ing pixel picture with the article. Really? 200 pixels? Why even put a picture?


THIS

On top of THIS, they give me the massive CGI banner of what a mammoth might have looked like?
 
2012-10-04 05:06:57 PM

notchit: Pictures of said mammoth

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x473]

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x352]

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x753]

Link


I think I know the dude with the shovel, though I've never seen him smile in real life.
 
2012-10-04 05:07:20 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Jesus, another thread about Ron Livingston's sister??


You bastard! That made me wake up the entire office.
 
2012-10-04 05:19:50 PM
Link

Same story? Hmmm.
 
2012-10-04 05:24:13 PM
www.karlsroundhead.com 

Wooly Manmoth?

www.boudillion.com
 
2012-10-04 05:27:55 PM
I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox

/must go faster
 
2012-10-04 05:31:23 PM

zarberg: I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox

/must go faster


The apple threads are usually under "geek"..
 
2012-10-04 05:40:58 PM

ghare: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Seems like we have the DNA for it. I would think they could at least make a mammoth-elephant hybrid.

/More interested in saber-toothed tigers.
//And Awks

I'd like aurochs


You know who else wanted to clone aurochs?
 
2012-10-04 05:46:54 PM
FTFA:
which has been named "Zhenya" (a short form of Yevgeny, the name of the boy who found it)

A few years ago, his brother Alexander found a well-preserved mastodon. They gave the specimen the shortened version of his name, too, calling it 'Alexandy'.
 
2012-10-04 05:56:30 PM

notchit: Pictures of said mammoth

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x473]

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x352]

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x753]

Link


Thanks for uploading the pics, I couldn't get the page to load so I couldn't RTFA. I love stuff like this.
 
2012-10-04 05:58:02 PM
Marcus Wall approves.

/somewhat obscure ever for Fark.
 
2012-10-04 05:59:23 PM
www.otrstreet.com

R.I.P.
 
2012-10-04 06:04:14 PM

omgbears: Beerguy: So, the parents have the local Paleontologists on speed dial?

Was curious about this too, do you just go look in the yellow pages under "Paleontologists"? Who even has a phone book these days?


In Russia, every village has a paleontologist
 
2012-10-04 06:06:01 PM

ghare: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Seems like we have the DNA for it. I would think they could at least make a mammoth-elephant hybrid.

/More interested in saber-toothed tigers.
//And Awks

I'd like aurochs


Dodo bird or go home.
 
2012-10-04 06:10:30 PM
FTFA: Because the remains were buried in the permafrost, the scienctists had to use traditional tools such as axes and picks, plus a specially designed device that allowed them to thaw ice layers with the help of steam. And even with the help of these tools, it still took them a week to get the entire thing out of the ground.

It appears to have been a mammoth undertaking.
 
2012-10-04 06:11:27 PM
I wonder if The Newsroom will do an episode where they cover this story, but Will McAvoy has a break down because he can't pronounce the kids name right.
 
2012-10-04 06:12:39 PM

Headso: body of an approximately 15 year-old male that weighed half a ton

So what's the deal... are wooly mammoths supposed to only weigh as much as the fattest human and less than our draft horse or is the author of the article wrong or is that mammoth just a super model type?


There's a few possibilities--the thing could be partially mummified, which COULD reduce the weight--somehow I suspect they're just going on bone weight, because Asian elephants (the closest living relatives to mammoths, actually) do reach maturity at that age and I'd expect even the non-osseous remains would make the corpse weigh more. (Ten bucks says they flubbed a metric conversion somewhere.)

As for paleontologists in Siberia--actually, there really are a surprising number there, because it's not unknown for stuff to pop up from the permafrost (mammoths in particular, but there's always the hope that something what ate mammoth for breakfast will pop up like a scimitar cat).

The nifty thing here is that apparently (for once) mammoth fat-pads are preserved showing that they had humps (similarly to how art by cave-people has portrayed them). :D We're still learning stuff from frozen dead things :D

(And yes, this actually is in such a good state of preservation (if the articles are at all on) that they COULD presumably get mammoth DNA from this. Yes, this makes cloning a bit more possible--assuming Asian elephants could carry a mammoth calf to term (and apparently the relationship IS close enough that it may well be possible in a similar manner to how embryo transfer works in equines and cats--at least one cladogram has the separation only about as far between mammoths and Asian elephants as between African forest elephants and African savannah elephants; yes, it's possible Asian elephants would actually be classified as a species of mammoth had proper fuzzy mammoths not gone extinct).)

That said--I'm hoping for a better source on the find--only finding stuff in newsprint so far, would love to see a proper paleontological paper on this :D
 
2012-10-04 06:14:59 PM

LeGnome: ghare: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Seems like we have the DNA for it. I would think they could at least make a mammoth-elephant hybrid.

/More interested in saber-toothed tigers.
//And Awks

I'd like aurochs

Dodo bird or go home.


Marsupial wolf.
 
2012-10-04 06:17:14 PM
I wonder if The Newsroom will do an episode where they cover this story, but Will McAvoy has a break down because he can't pronounce the kids kid's name right.
 
2012-10-04 06:18:51 PM

DingleberryMoose: FTFA: Because the remains were buried in the permafrost, the scienctists had to use traditional tools such as axes and picks, plus a specially designed device that allowed them to thaw ice layers with the help of steam. And even with the help of these tools, it still took them a week to get the entire thing out of the ground.

It appears to have been a mammoth undertaking.


We mastadon something very bad to deserve that pun.
 
2012-10-04 06:22:00 PM
I recall a time they found those fossilied mosquitos, and before long they were cloning DNA...
 
2012-10-04 06:22:37 PM

LeGnome: ghare: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Seems like we have the DNA for it. I would think they could at least make a mammoth-elephant hybrid.

/More interested in saber-toothed tigers.
//And Awks

I'd like aurochs

Dodo bird or go home.


Actually, the one thing I hope that DOES get found in permafrost with an intact coat and organs isn't a mammoth--I'd love to hear of a Smilodon or a Homotherium or other machariodont cat found in permafrost with part of its coat intact.

No, it's not so I could have a Smilodon-fur vest, sillies; it'd give us a good idea of whether they were spotty-cats (the general prevailing theory, and most kitties trend towards this) or cats that might have been spotty as cubs/kittens but turned into Plain Cats as adults (similar to the colour patterns of pumas and lions). Even better if we could find a machairodont cat with a belly full of meat, because it might give an idea of how they hunted. :D

(Cloning would be a bit more difficult, as machairodont cats are in a "third lineage" separate from feline and pantherine cats, but if it could be done, this would be utter awesome and win :D)

/really would like to see passenger pigeons back, but the problem is that you'd have to clone them a thousand at a time to have any reproductive success with 'em--turns out the reason they went extinct is that their mating behaviour was very linked to having ginormous flocks, hence they never could be bred in captivity
//will settle for return of Carolina parakeets, which actually WOULD be doable
 
2012-10-04 06:27:09 PM
For the Entree round Chef's, if you open your baskets, you will find: Quinoa, Bean sprouts, Nutella, and 30,000 year old Mammoth
 
2012-10-04 06:37:39 PM

DeadMouseTails: Wooly mammoths are one of my favorite extinct animals. I would love it if this tours, like Sue did so many years ago. She was beautiful.


Was it really so many years ago that Sue toured? I seem to remember seeing the exhibition at my local natural history museum, and it seems like it was only 7-8 years ago.

Of course, I'm a geezer, so 1) my memory could be foggy, and 2) something that happened a decade ago usually falls under the "didn't that just happen?" category.
 
2012-10-04 06:49:54 PM

Nakito: Ye cannot serve both God and mammoth.


I'll take the mammoth then. Medium rare, easy on the hair.
 
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