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(NHL)   Sidney Crosby won't be getting a concussion until at least October 24 this year   (nhl.com) divider line 54
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2012-10-04 04:23:22 PM  
And yet I still get emails every other day from the BJs asking me to buy season tickets, hmm, they're still available? wow! I wonder why...

At least they finally stopped harassing me on my cell phone when I told them that the reason I only bought tickets to the Detroit games was because I am a Red Wings fan and I am not going to bother with leaving work early and dealing with downtown Columbus traffic a couple times a week to watch the BJs lose to teams I don't care about.
 
2012-10-04 04:39:15 PM  
This blows that actual regular season games are getting cancelled, but it's really no shock, considering the start was only a week away.

As I've said before, I think there will be a season because enough players are going to realize that sacrificing yet another year of their career just isn't worth trying to squeeze out 7-8% more of the hockey-related revenue pot.

Without such a profound change on the table this time, like the salary cap, it's just a revenue negotiation. The rigid stance against the cap was out of fear of what it might mean in the long run and the players couldn't be blamed for being fearful. In their minds, the cost of losing the whole season was worth it, if they could avoid the cap. Well, they lost that battle. They went to wall for their cause and came up short.

This time, I think players are really going to have second thoughts about the loss of an entire season.

- Take the roll back and still make $3 million.

- Sit out the whole season and make $0 and stay stuck in this mess all next summer


I have to believe more players are going to come around and opt for the first scenario.
 
2012-10-04 04:41:32 PM  
And that's not to say I support the owners, I don't. They bear much of the blame for the current "mess".

But it's the owners who hold the power and the players will have to bend to their will.
 
2012-10-04 04:57:56 PM  
Goddamitsomuch.
 
2012-10-04 05:08:55 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Goddamitsomuch.


This.

Football just doesn't cut it.
 
2012-10-04 05:12:11 PM  

Rev.K: And that's not to say I support the owners, I don't. They bear much of the blame for the current "mess".

But it's the owners who hold the power and the players will have to bend to their will.


It isn't even all the owners, there are only a few that pull most of the strings (from the really strong markets), some of the money bleeders might be in real trouble if the don't get at least half the season in. (and the sweeter revenue sharing as part of the deal)
 
2012-10-04 05:17:34 PM  
Wow.  I can't honestly believe they could lose most or all the season.  Again.
 
Not a hockey fan really, so I don't know the issues.  But just wow.
 
2012-10-04 05:20:08 PM  
Subby - try to be more optimistic. Crosby could still get another concussion off the ice.
 
2012-10-04 05:34:51 PM  

hp6sa: Subby - try to be more optimistic. Crosby could still get another concussion off the ice.


Excuse me whilst I wipe my drink off my monitor. Thanks for the laugh - it got me to stop thinking about how many profanity-laced messages I could post about how Bettman and Fehr both suck and how neither NFL nor college football can make up for the distinct lack of hockey.

/We all know Crosby could get a concussion just from reading about getting a concussion.
//Or from a pillow fight
///Or from an air molecule that was moving slightly faster than normal.
 
2012-10-04 05:34:57 PM  
The lockout method is now the de facto choice of weapon for management to get labor into line. That is the base of it. Since they rebounded after the 04-05 season disaster they should have tried to keep the goood will of the fans going for them, but instead after seeing the NBA and NFL lockouts work so effectively, they went headfirst for the lockout as a negotiating tactic.

For that...
Well for that I have fallen to ambivalence to their product. Hell I am better off just playing instead of dishing out my hard earned money to an entertainment service that seems to continually screw over its support base. Ticket prices keep going up, as do the concessions. They have priced out large groups of fans, and record record profit then crry poor because owners cannot control the urge to throw money at players...

its their fault and they can suck it.

Good bye NHL.
 
2012-10-04 05:35:16 PM  

downstairs: Wow.  I can't honestly believe they could lose most or all the season.  Again.
 
Not a hockey fan really, so I don't know the issues.  But just wow.


Summary: The GMs (the ones who dont play the game) forced a new CBA down the players (the ones people pay to watch) throats five years ago. Now, the GMs are saying its wasn't a good deal for them even though the league had record income levels and increased every year.
 
2012-10-04 05:39:26 PM  

downstairs: Wow.  I can't honestly believe they could lose most or all the season.  Again.
 
Not a hockey fan really, so I don't know the issues.  But just wow.


That's the maddening thing - there are no major substantive issues. Not like the last lockout, which wrought the salary cap and major rule changes.

This time they're just bickering over a dollar amount. Te players currently get 57% if league revenues. The owners would like to only pay out 47%. Everyone knows that, when all is said and done, they're going to wind up somewhere in the middle (say, 50-52%), so they could save everyone a lot of grief and hassle by just jumping to the inevitable conclusion now and not have to cancel any more games.
 
2012-10-04 05:42:30 PM  
Greedy farkers on both sides.
 
2012-10-04 05:42:35 PM  

LemSkroob: downstairs: Wow.  I can't honestly believe they could lose most or all the season.  Again.
 
Not a hockey fan really, so I don't know the issues.  But just wow.

Summary: The GMs (the ones who dont play the game) forced a new CBA down the players (the ones people pay to watch) throats five years ago. Now, the GMs are saying its wasn't a good deal for them even though the league had record income levels and increased every year.


I think you mean the owners.

The GMs are just employees of the owners like everyone else.
 
2012-10-04 05:48:27 PM  

Doc Daneeka: downstairs: Wow.  I can't honestly believe they could lose most or all the season.  Again.
 
Not a hockey fan really, so I don't know the issues.  But just wow.

That's the maddening thing - there are no major substantive issues. Not like the last lockout, which wrought the salary cap and major rule changes.

This time they're just bickering over a dollar amount. Te players currently get 57% if league revenues. The owners would like to only pay out 47%. Everyone knows that, when all is said and done, they're going to wind up somewhere in the middle (say, 50-52%), so they could save everyone a lot of grief and hassle by just jumping to the inevitable conclusion now and not have to cancel any more games.



Sheesh.... they're 10% apart?  That crap is going to take forever to solve.  That's *a lot* of money.
 
2012-10-04 05:57:46 PM  
I had tickets to the Winter Classic this year - Fark you Buttman.

/that alone was worth a pilgrimage back to the D in winter
 
2012-10-04 06:04:38 PM  
This headline was funnier with the typo intact.
 
2012-10-04 06:04:45 PM  

sdkOyOte: The lockout method is now the de facto choice of weapon for management to get labor into line. That is the base of it. Since they rebounded after the 04-05 season disaster they should have tried to keep the goood will of the fans going for them, but instead after seeing the NBA and NFL lockouts work so effectively, they went headfirst for the lockout as a negotiating tactic.

For that...
Well for that I have fallen to ambivalence to their product. Hell I am better off just playing instead of dishing out my hard earned money to an entertainment service that seems to continually screw over its support base. Ticket prices keep going up, as do the concessions. They have priced out large groups of fans, and record record profit then crry poor because owners cannot control the urge to throw money at players...

its their fault and they can suck it.

Good bye NHL.


Pretty much exactly this.

But, sadly, like a battered wife, will probably go back.
 
2012-10-04 06:09:29 PM  
It also means I won't lose my voice screaming at the TV or at a game until at least that date, which is kinda nice.

And like Commie said in the boobies, I've gotten calls from the Coyotes ticket office in the last 2-3 weeks. I don't bother answering them though.

downstairs:
Sheesh.... they're 10% apart?  That crap is going to take forever to solve.  That's *a lot* of money.


Not really, the players have proposed a cut in their share but not near where the owners want. If they were to split the difference, it would be right about where Doc was talking about- 50%. And that's a totally fair number.

I think the real sticking point is that Fehr and the players are pushing the owners to have revenue sharing and the owners are against that. Which is understandable for selfish reasons, but not for the overall success of the league.
 
2012-10-04 06:12:09 PM  

Doc Daneeka: downstairs: Wow.  I can't honestly believe they could lose most or all the season.  Again.
 
Not a hockey fan really, so I don't know the issues.  But just wow.

That's the maddening thing - there are no major substantive issues. Not like the last lockout, which wrought the salary cap and major rule changes.

This time they're just bickering over a dollar amount. Te players currently get 57% if league revenues. The owners would like to only pay out 47%. Everyone knows that, when all is said and done, they're going to wind up somewhere in the middle (say, 50-52%), so they could save everyone a lot of grief and hassle by just jumping to the inevitable conclusion now and not have to cancel any more games.


As far as I've read, the players are willing to get closer to the 50-50 split as long as there's not rollback on the current contracts that the owners have offered. I think if the players are willing to take the 50-50 (or so split) the owners should come up with an idea how to treat the existing contracts outside of the cap. Afterall, the owners offered those contracts, nobody forced their hands. shiat, even this offseason when the owners knew very well the possibility of a lockout they still offered contracts close to or over $100 mil to players.
 
2012-10-04 06:20:09 PM  
Players should get at least 50% of revenue in every sport. Yes arena's/stadiums/whatever are expensive (but usually taxpayer supported at least in construction if not in both construction and maintenance), yes coaching and administrative staff are expensive, yes advertising is expensive, but fans don't show up or tune in to watch the owners or mailroom clerks play, they want to watch the players play. Without very good (and hence highly paid) players there is no money for the owners and players to split.
 
2012-10-04 06:22:13 PM  
When told about the news:

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2012-10-04 06:25:13 PM  

CommieTaoist: ...but fans don't show up or tune in to watch the owners or mailroom clerks play,...


I for one would pay to watch the owners and mailroom clerks play.

/fark the NHL
 
2012-10-04 06:26:27 PM  
Looks like I'll be sticking to College hockey
 
2012-10-04 06:35:44 PM  

desertgeek: It also means I won't lose my voice screaming at the TV or at a game until at least that date, which is kinda nice.

And like Commie said in the boobies, I've gotten calls from the Coyotes ticket office in the last 2-3 weeks. I don't bother answering them though.

downstairs:
Sheesh.... they're 10% apart?  That crap is going to take forever to solve.  That's *a lot* of money.

Not really, the players have proposed a cut in their share but not near where the owners want. If they were to split the difference, it would be right about where Doc was talking about- 50%. And that's a totally fair number.

I think the real sticking point is that Fehr and the players are pushing the owners to have revenue sharing and the owners are against that. Which is understandable for selfish reasons, but not for the overall success of the league.


How is that a fair number? . It's interesting that the side that really is superfluous to the equation is demanding half the revenue. The other thing is we hear that the owners are losing money constantly, in a normal business they would close their doors and layoff those workers, but they haven't have they? No we are just supposed to take their word for it that they are losing money. Why not just sell the team as shares to the community? Or to another owner? Is it that precious? Oh right because the other thing they don't tell you is that the asset that is constantly losing money has actually gone up in value every year. Not to mention that saying the team is losing money is a very healthy tax dodge for quite a few owners.

You know what a player makes but then again the players are the ones that bring value to the product, not the owners, in fact all the owners didn't even found the teams. They simply bought an asset. you don't know how much the owner pays out because they never show you the books. If they want any sympathy from me they had better be more transparent. If 50% is given now what is to stop the owners from doing this again down the road because this time they want 60% of revenue. because if there is one common goal among NHL owners it's greed. The real problem is that the owners don't want to implement true revenue sharing unlike the other successful leagues have done. Instead, they want the players to pay for their own inability to handle a budget.

Perhaps the NHL could learn something from the European soccer leagues. Worst team gets sent down the pyramid. It would certainly make games int eh last part of the season interesting for the cellar dwellers.
 
2012-10-04 07:28:31 PM  
i1045.photobucket.com

Suck it.
 
2012-10-04 07:34:21 PM  
Nonono...Crosby already HAS a concussion (he gladly received just in case the season started on time).
 
2012-10-04 07:35:25 PM  
I hear a dog bark...do he bite?

Kill the Bettman. Kill the Bettman.
 
2012-10-04 07:56:39 PM  
Mannschaft Cannibals all the way!!!!

NHL has lost me at least until the playoffs start, and if Buffalo doesn't make it, maybe until the Cup Final. I saw it coming when the NHLPA hired Fehr. He and Bettman dicked around for months without even scheduling negotiations.
 
2012-10-04 08:08:50 PM  
You know what would stop this right quick? Scabs. How many guys would play for a fraction of what the NHLPA is fighting for? Tons. Take what the owners are offering (which you are lucky to get-seriously, you play a game for a living and make more than doctors) and get back to work.
 
2012-10-04 08:12:50 PM  

hulk hogan meat shoes: You know what would stop this right quick? Scabs. How many guys would play for a fraction of what the NHLPA is fighting for? Tons. Take what the owners are offering (which you are lucky to get-seriously, you play a game for a living and make more than doctors) and get back to work.


It's a lock-out, not a strike. No picket lines = no scabs.
 
2012-10-04 08:25:32 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: hulk hogan meat shoes: You know what would stop this right quick? Scabs. How many guys would play for a fraction of what the NHLPA is fighting for? Tons. Take what the owners are offering (which you are lucky to get-seriously, you play a game for a living and make more than doctors) and get back to work.

It's a lock-out, not a strike. No picket lines = no scabs.


Whoa whoa whoa...don't let facts get in his way. Please, let the moron speak his mind about how scabs could save the day. It worked so well in the case of the scab refs in the NFL, didn't it?

/yes, I know the refs did not strike, they were locked out
 
2012-10-04 08:27:29 PM  
Yeah, we won't get hockey till the Hockey Classic.
 
2012-10-04 08:28:48 PM  
Winter Classic I mean, derp.
 
2012-10-04 08:48:52 PM  
Fark you, Bettman. Fark you all to hell.

/done with the NHL
 
2012-10-04 08:58:40 PM  
Let the WCHL play for the Cup. It's taller than Erika Lawler.
 
2012-10-04 08:59:28 PM  
If the NHL goes the entire year again, NBC has to be crapping bricks. Outside of football season, they really don't have much other a few golf and tennis events than the NHL. And not that the NHL is a ratings monster by any stretch, but, it can have it's moments, and for the newly christened "NBC Sports Network", as minor as it is, it is still the biggest feather in its cap. Without it, you have some MLS games, B-level College FB & BK, a few NFL talkies, and not much else that draws eyeballs.
 
2012-10-04 09:01:36 PM  
Also, has anyone heard if the NHL Network will pick up a bunch of AHL & ECHL games with them locked out? Komets just went ECHL this year, so, would be interesting to see some games pop up on NHL network.
 
2012-10-04 09:06:17 PM  

Doc Daneeka: LemSkroob: downstairs: Wow.  I can't honestly believe they could lose most or all the season.  Again.
 
Not a hockey fan really, so I don't know the issues.  But just wow.

Summary: The GMs (the ones who dont play the game) forced a new CBA down the players (the ones people pay to watch) throats five years ago. Now, the GMs are saying its wasn't a good deal for them even though the league had record income levels and increased every year.

I think you mean the owners.

The GMs are just employees of the owners like everyone else.


Yes yes owners, my mistake.
 
2012-10-04 09:40:57 PM  
www.portlandpirates.com
 
2012-10-04 10:14:43 PM  
Here is a good site for KHL games. They have the occasional game from other Euro leagues as well.
Link
 
2012-10-04 11:19:20 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

We're taking the Calder Cup this year. Minor league sports FTW!
 
2012-10-04 11:38:22 PM  

akuma976: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x200]

We're taking the Calder Cup this year. Minor league sports FTW!


The juggernaut known as Norfolk may have a thing or two to say about that.
 
2012-10-04 11:51:19 PM  

hp6sa: Subby - try to be more optimistic. Crosby could still get another concussion off the ice.


Yeah, i was going to say anyone can wang their head on a cupboard door.
 
2012-10-04 11:51:52 PM  
www.collectorsquest.com

upload.wikimedia.org

It's as if the NHL never left.....or came.

\sob
 
2012-10-04 11:59:35 PM  

Flappyhead: akuma976: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x200]

We're taking the Calder Cup this year. Minor league sports FTW!

The juggernaut known as Norfolk may have a thing or two to say about that.


Norfolk is Syracuse now
 
2012-10-05 01:48:25 AM  

NuttierThanEver: Goddamitsomuch.


I'm a diehard fan, and I'm finding it tough to care. Both sides are greedy, so fark 'em both.
 
2012-10-05 03:07:13 AM  

dletter: If the NHL goes the entire year again, NBC has to be crapping bricks. Outside of football season, they really don't have much other a few golf and tennis events than the NHL. And not that the NHL is a ratings monster by any stretch, but, it can have it's moments, and for the newly christened "NBC Sports Network", as minor as it is, it is still the biggest feather in its cap. Without it, you have some MLS games, B-level College FB & BK, a few NFL talkies, and not much else that draws eyeballs.


You laugh at MLS, but it and the rest of soccer have been nudging itself deeper and deeper into the TV landscape- covering an extra game here, a new timeslot there, a better network every so often. Every time one of the major sports pisses people off and surrenders TV time, soccer is probably going to gobble up a little slice of it. You add a slice here and a slice there- and they can grab it from anyone because soccer doesn't have an offseason and there are tons of soccer competitions to choose from- and sooner or later soccer's getting as much blanket coverage as anyone else and the Big Four are scratching their heads wondering how the hell that happened.

Of course, a lost NHL season means a lot of NBC timeslots to hand over to MLS... and a lot of FSN timeslots to hand over to England. Maybe Italy too if FSN feels like taking a gamble.
 
2012-10-05 08:25:30 AM  
I wonder if NHL gamecenter live is going to automatically sign people up and charge them this year like they normally do.
 
2012-10-05 08:58:11 AM  
Time to dig out the NES and play Blades of Steel.
 
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