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2012-10-04 05:41:56 PM  

cchris_39: Mrtraveler01: cchris_39: Lawnchair: Wait a second. You just said two posts back that he was going to "keep the revenue and who pays the same".

Then you said that someone (the who doesn't even matter to the logical principle) is "getting tax relief".

Those two statements cannot coincide. They say two opposite things.

Correct - this is a plan targeting small business. They will pay less. Everybody else stays the same.

So revenue will decrease? But Romney told me that this plan was revenue neutral?

The theory - and we can debate this - is to get these small businesses hiring, and get more people back on the tax rolls and off government assistance. Their taxes keep the revenue neutral.

That's a more squishy projection than just calculating break even between tax rates and deductions, but that's the concept.


At least you admit it's BS.

How fast would the economy have to grow in order to gain enough tax revenue to make this tax plan revenue neutral anyway?
 
2012-10-04 05:46:03 PM  

Mrtraveler01: How fast would the economy have to grow in order to gain enough tax revenue to make this tax plan revenue neutral anyway?


Never. Romney would just vastly increase defense spending, just like Bush. I would assume a President Romney will invade both Iran and Pakistan.
 
2012-10-04 05:51:23 PM  

Delay: Mrtraveler01: How fast would the economy have to grow in order to gain enough tax revenue to make this tax plan revenue neutral anyway?

Never. Romney would just vastly increase defense spending, just like Bush. I would assume a President Romney will invade both Iran and Pakistan.


Nothin' like deficit spending on wars to help the economy. It's Republican-brand stimulus.

Add in more tax cuts for everyone and we'll get another Republican VP saying "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" while the teabaggers biatch about the 'liberal media.'
 
2012-10-04 06:00:17 PM  

nevirus: Nothin' like deficit spending on wars to help the economy. It's Republican-brand stimulus.


You know, that's the worst part. We all know that pointless wars are the typical Republican stimulus for the economy while the typical Democrat stimulus for the economy is unnecessary teachers and fire engines. I'm going to have to go with fire engines here.
 
2012-10-04 06:07:12 PM  

mrshowrules: Where the bloody fark was that guy yesterday.


He had this guy:

www.hbshows.com

for a moderator.

Around 15 minutes into it, you can actually pause the video and see the precise moment when Obama fully realizes he is surrounded by idiots.
 
2012-10-04 06:08:49 PM  
I like that the president has finally started to embrace the term 'Obamacare.'
 
2012-10-04 06:14:07 PM  

GhostFish: Stile4aly: TPOC isn't a Romney supporter. He just hates Democrats.

Don't kid yourself. He's just in it for the attention.

Same with randomthreadshiat and most the others.
The intent is to provoke a reaction. Any reaction will do.

Why do they do it is irrelevant. Maybe they're paid (I doubt it), and maybe they just do it for the lulz.

But no one comes here and posts inflammatory right-wing rhetoric day in and day out just because their conservative consciences tell them to. That's a ridiculous fantasy.

Really, who has ever been convinced at all in the slightest bit of the righteousness of the right by those two clowns? If anything, they achieve the complete opposite effect. So if they actually gave a shiat about the positions they claim to hold, don't you think they'd care to be a little more convincing in their appeals to the "libs"?


[smart]

/stopped reading the thread right there
 
2012-10-04 06:26:35 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: Where the bloody fark was that guy yesterday. I just hope he brings that game to the next debate.

You are missing the point
That guy only exists in front of a teleprompter and adoring crowds who don't challenge him

It is why he goes on The View instead of meeting world leaders during the crisis in the mid east.


rofl.. which crisis is that?
 
2012-10-04 06:26:40 PM  

MrBallou: This is the sudden jerk that comes after you give a guy enough rope to hang himself. Should have happened last night, but if Obama can get this stuff to stick in the news, it'll go a long way toward making up ground.


This. We got to see Romney the slick used car salesman, lying his ass off and pandering for votes. The guy that showed up for the debate was coached to lie and dissemble to confuse still-undecided folks - he's a political windsock.

Obama didn't change his stance before the debate, didn't change it during the debate, and didn't change it after the debate. He didn't have to. Romney? You can't actually pin down his opinion on much...

...except, of course, his need to wipe PBS off the map.
 
2012-10-04 06:28:38 PM  

Delay: Mrtraveler01: How fast would the economy have to grow in order to gain enough tax revenue to make this tax plan revenue neutral anyway?

Never. Romney would just vastly increase defense spending, just like Bush. I would assume a President Romney will invade both Iran and Pakistan.


No, he'd just sign the order. The Bush/Reagan cronies actually running the show would invade Iran and Pakistan, wipe Palestine off the map, blow up Syria, and claim that God told them to do it - Romney would just sign off on it.
 
2012-10-04 06:43:34 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: I like that the president has finally started to embrace the term 'Obamacare.'


That's because the public is finally starting to like. It's amazing how much the opinions changed once people actually learned what was in it.
 
2012-10-04 06:49:36 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Mitt the winner is going to cut everyone's taxes, reduce the debt, repeal Obamacare and replace it with Statecare, create jobs for everyone by reducing regulations on those Wall Street geniuses to gamble however much they want with the securities of the country, increase defense spending so Iran doesn't invade us and balance the budget with the help of Big Bird.

Slap on your clown shoes, people. We're entering bat country.


Then when the country's down the shiatter we will elect our first woman president who won't be able to magically fix things in 4 years so the retarded electorate will vote her out and pick another republican to make things even worse by doing more of what got us in trouble in the first place.

I need a drink. :(
 
2012-10-04 06:54:22 PM  

modestlivinglegend: Wow. People are having trouble accepting that Obama failed because that means they have to admit they failed by supporting him. When someone has four years to turn things around and instead accelerates the downward trajectory (fails) then it is time to pack it up and move um out. We need someone with experience who can turn things around economically in this country or you all will know what real regret is.


Except that Obama didn't accelerate the downward trajectory. He actually halted it. The economy is slowly recovering. I wish it were a faster recovery, but I'll take it over the mess that Bush the younger left us.

/Oh. You were just trolling. Don't I feel silly.
 
2012-10-04 06:55:07 PM  
Like every somewhat OK CEO, Mitt came in strong and said a lot of what the public (workers) wanted. He played to the crowd.

Much like most CEO's, when it comes time to deliver, he will do what the board (his advisers) and the shareholders (his financial backers) tell him to do regardless of his promises to the workers.
 
2012-10-04 06:57:21 PM  

Alonjar: tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: Where the bloody fark was that guy yesterday. I just hope he brings that game to the next debate.

You are missing the point
That guy only exists in front of a teleprompter and adoring crowds who don't challenge him

It is why he goes on The View instead of meeting world leaders during the crisis in the mid east.

rofl.. which crisis is that?


There is always a crisis in the Middle East. Always. They don't even take off for Yom Kippur.
 
2012-10-04 07:09:56 PM  
Obama pursues practices that hurt the poor and middle class (QE1-3) without doing anything to help the economy. He's not really the guy to point fingers on hypocrisy
 
2012-10-04 07:13:28 PM  

tooeasy: Obama pursues practices that hurt the poor and middle class (QE1-3) without doing anything to help the economy. He's not really the guy to point fingers on hypocrisy


Except for all the things he has done to help them.
 
2012-10-04 07:17:23 PM  

too-old: mrshowrules: Where the bloody fark was that guy yesterday. I just hope he brings that game to the next debate.

Maybe he was tired, like they are saying, maybe tired from RUNNING THE F*CKING COUNTRY


Getting that 3 a.m. call about Turkey bombing Syria can't have helped.

"Uh, Mr. President? Yeah, I know you're having that debate and all in about 10 hours, but there's another war in the Middle East. Yes, our second-biggest ally and the one that doesn't have any terrorists in it. Sorry, I know that's going to cause you some problems. But try to get some rest."
 
2012-10-04 07:26:58 PM  

poot_rootbeer: 1) Mitt Romney out-debated his opponent.


Well, no. At this point Romney certainly left the impression of outmaneuvering his opponent, but by hurling a frenetic wall of backtracks and fabrications. Since the depth of his arguments never exceeded a Python sketch, 'out-debated' is too strong.
 
2012-10-04 07:33:23 PM  

DirkValentine: Serious question :

Is there anyone here that can genuinely elaborate on how/what deductions are specifically being talked about being eliminated in conjunction with Mitt's 20% "across the board" cut?

I have to be honest - there has been so much bullshiat in the water these days i'm having a hard time keeping it all straight.


Mitt hasn't come out and said which. This is the problem.

If you go back into the Ryan plan, it was mortgage interest, state and local taxes, property taxes as deductions. This would screw over the middle class and further cripple a barely recovering real estate market. Is Romney looking at Ryan's plan? Dunno, but it might be a good assumption since Ryan is on the ticket and would explain why he doesn't want to go on record as to which loopholes to cut. This one would piss a lot of people off. My tax liability would be about $5000 (estimated) higher under this plan.

Yesterday Romney suggested capping personal deductions at $17,000, which can screw over the middle class (I'd pay a couple thousand more in taxes, even with the reduced rate, for example).
 
2012-10-04 07:41:07 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Alonjar: tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: Where the bloody fark was that guy yesterday. I just hope he brings that game to the next debate.

You are missing the point
That guy only exists in front of a teleprompter and adoring crowds who don't challenge him

It is why he goes on The View instead of meeting world leaders during the crisis in the mid east.

rofl.. which crisis is that?

There is always a crisis in the Middle East. Always. They don't even take off for Yom Kippur.


Exactly. At some point it just stops being a crisis and is just "Tuesday".
 
2012-10-04 07:46:38 PM  

Alonjar: It is why he goes on The View instead of meeting world leaders during the crisis in the mid east.
rofl.. which crisis is that?


All of 'em, any of 'em that, um, have, have been in front of him over all these years.
 
2012-10-04 07:54:38 PM  

mrshowrules: MrBallou: This is the sudden jerk that comes after you give a guy enough rope to hang himself. Should have happened last night, but if Obama can get this stuff to stick in the news, it'll go a long way toward making up ground.

When Kerry was helping Obama practice for the debates, I'm assuming a complete reversal on the entire Romney platform was one scenario they did not play-out.


I'm trying to figure out what the Romney strategy was, because this is what it looked like to me...

"Hey Mitt... I have your winning strategy. Repudiate everything YOU've run on so far... and when Obama calls you on it - nicely, because that's his style - just repeat the lie... only a) more authoritatively; and b) with a look of righteous indignation that almost says 'Surely, you don't question my honesty?!' And Obama will not call you on it a second time... because the last thing he wants to come across as... is an "angry black man."
 
2012-10-04 08:00:34 PM  

Dog Welder: DirkValentine: Serious question :

Is there anyone here that can genuinely elaborate on how/what deductions are specifically being talked about being eliminated in conjunction with Mitt's 20% "across the board" cut?

I have to be honest - there has been so much bullshiat in the water these days i'm having a hard time keeping it all straight.

Mitt hasn't come out and said which. This is the problem.

If you go back into the Ryan plan, it was mortgage interest, state and local taxes, property taxes as deductions. This would screw over the middle class and further cripple a barely recovering real estate market. Is Romney looking at Ryan's plan? Dunno, but it might be a good assumption since Ryan is on the ticket and would explain why he doesn't want to go on record as to which loopholes to cut. This one would piss a lot of people off. My tax liability would be about $5000 (estimated) higher under this plan.

Yesterday Romney suggested capping personal deductions at $17,000, which can screw over the middle class (I'd pay a couple thousand more in taxes, even with the reduced rate, for example).


Yeah, but then last night he changed that to $25,000, or maybe $50,000. Listen, just pick a number you like, and we'll go with that. I mean, it's not like there's any actual "policy" behind it.
 
2012-10-04 08:02:52 PM  
Waaaaaah. Romney didn't fit into the caricature of him that I created of him, no fair!
 
2012-10-04 08:08:57 PM  
My only disappointment from last night:

Romney: "I just don't believe government should be in the position of telling people what kind of health care they receive."

What Obama should have said: "But you do believe in government telling a woman and her doctor that they can't perform an abortion?"

/I has a sad
 
2012-10-04 08:17:03 PM  

Dr. Whoof: Corvus: mainstreet62: Main headline on CNN:

Is Big Bird's goose cooked?

This "Romney wants to fire big bird" has legs. It's about one of the most discussed actual policy part of the debate that happened.

That was probably his biggest mistake. He basically alienated a good portion of the people with that. People love Sesame Street. It's become an American institution like apple pie. You don't fark with that.


You don't think he looked like a freak, hopping around like someone had switched his Pepsi Free with Jolt Cola? His blinking alone wigged me out. How about his "you don't even have to listen right now."? The bullying the moderator and Obama. The "private plane" remark?The totally flip-flopping to be one of the most liberal Presidential candidates I've seen on big stage? None of that topped with his smirky, licky, smile? The doing NOTHING BUT farkING LYING? New York Bankers? Nothing? Big Bird is what we all take away from this? It's as if that was his genius plan all along. I can't accept that he's that crafty.
 
2012-10-04 08:53:58 PM  
Welcome back, Obama.
 
2012-10-04 08:59:54 PM  

BMulligan: Dog Welder: DirkValentine: Serious question :

Is there anyone here that can genuinely elaborate on how/what deductions are specifically being talked about being eliminated in conjunction with Mitt's 20% "across the board" cut?

I have to be honest - there has been so much bullshiat in the water these days i'm having a hard time keeping it all straight.

Mitt hasn't come out and said which. This is the problem.

If you go back into the Ryan plan, it was mortgage interest, state and local taxes, property taxes as deductions. This would screw over the middle class and further cripple a barely recovering real estate market. Is Romney looking at Ryan's plan? Dunno, but it might be a good assumption since Ryan is on the ticket and would explain why he doesn't want to go on record as to which loopholes to cut. This one would piss a lot of people off. My tax liability would be about $5000 (estimated) higher under this plan.

Yesterday Romney suggested capping personal deductions at $17,000, which can screw over the middle class (I'd pay a couple thousand more in taxes, even with the reduced rate, for example).

Yeah, but then last night he changed that to $25,000, or maybe $50,000. Listen, just pick a number you like, and we'll go with that. I mean, it's not like there's any actual "policy" behind it.


And in that case, why the hell should I vote for Mitt? I know what Obama plans to do. I may not agree with it all, but his plans are out there for me to see.

Romney? I still have no freaking clue what he wants to do other than repeal Obamacare and force all the states to adopt Romneycare. (Or did I not understand that part?)

This is the same problem Kerry had. I'd have been happy to vote against Bush, but Kerry didn't offer anything up other than "I'm not Bush."
 
2012-10-04 09:21:53 PM  

MyRandomName: Waaaaaah. Romney didn't fit into the caricature of him that I created of him, no fair!


He fit into mine.

The one shot I saw of the debates (all 1.85 seconds I missed avoiding), Mittens had that revolting, cocksucking smirk on his face; same one he had after the 9/12 press conference.

Nothing about him has changed. He may have "nailed" the debate; but he is not any different today than he was when he was gloating over the deaths of four people in Libya.
 
2012-10-04 09:54:40 PM  

mrshowrules: Where the bloody fark was that guy yesterday. I just hope he brings that game to the next debate.


staircase wit
 
2012-10-04 10:13:58 PM  

nevirus: Romney has no plan


He does have a plan, but he's not telling what exactly it is. His specifics are both sparse and contradictory.
Kinda like his tax returns.

I have negotiated business contracts. So have you, if you have ever bought a car or a house.
Rule #1: read the effing contract
Rule #2: if there are no details offered by the counterparty, do not assume said details would be in your favor. They won't be.
 
2012-10-04 10:23:04 PM  

mrshowrules: Where the bloody fark was that guy yesterday. I just hope he brings that game to the next debate.


Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself.
 
2012-10-04 10:25:09 PM  

MyRandomName: Waaaaaah. Romney didn't fit into the caricature of him that I created of him, no fair!


No he pretty much was to me, a smirking lying d-bag who just didn't get called on most BS he was spewing. But please continue to spike the football and do the victory dance even though you have not won jack, its my favorite part on how predictable the GOP are. Besides the tantrum after they lose.
 
2012-10-04 10:41:37 PM  
Just present the facts in a dignified manner,then let Mitt speak.

assets.nydailynews.com

Hell I could fall asleep here and Mitt will still dominate the media tomorrow with these outrageous lies...
www.esquire.com

Google: Romney Debate Lies

Will Romney's debate lies become the story?

Washington Post (blog)-7 hours ago
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ncrenegade.com 

Cunning bastard...
 
2012-10-04 11:12:01 PM  
Romney came across as himself, a richie-rich douchebag.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I do not want a Mormon as president. How dumb or jaded do you have to be, to belong to an obviously manufactured cult? I know he was born into it, but he sure didn't have to stay ...
 
2012-10-04 11:12:40 PM  
Stewart has succumb to the punditry that he has lambasted to his comedic benefit.
 
2012-10-05 12:55:41 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Stewart has succumb to the punditry that he has lambasted to his comedic benefit.


Or perhaps he's just simply being honest with himself and the viewers.
 
2012-10-05 01:40:31 AM  

CPennypacker: I wish that the conservative base at the very least had the internal consistency to be angry that he surrendered every position Romney took to get their support before he was even challeneged on them.

But then again if they could do that they wouldn't be conservative in the first place.


Why? I think it's nice to know that the Republicans really don't stand for anything. It's enlightening to know that, despite their rage about Jesus and various other things, that it means nothing. These people are angry because their lives suck and they're destroying America simply for the hell of it. The only reason they've been able to do this for so long is because they're not afraid to hide behind 'their rights' for doing it.

Now it's perfectly clear that they deserve to be ignored and drummed out of the political process. What point do Republicans really serve? To obstruct. And thanks to them and their faux outrage, America is now a very nice third-world country. And it's the fault of every single person who has voted Republican because they enabled the Rich to run rampant.

So when the Republicans go into another biatchfit, we can tell them to screw. They don't have a point of view. They're attention whores or insane and probably a mixture of both. They're leeches on the underside of our nation, and they really have no place influencing the assholes they allow to run this country into the ground. Every single bad thing in the last thirty years has a Republican stain all farking over it.
 
2012-10-05 10:04:47 AM  

Corvus: I alone am best: Many states have an insurer of last resort that cant turn down pre-existing conditions. Michigan has had one for the last 30 years.

You mean like these:

A year ago, the Department of Health and Human Services announced that it would lower premiums for temporary high-risk pools in 18 states and ease eligibility standards in 23 states and the District or Columbia to make expand enrollment in the Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP) that was created by the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

I see it's only evil when Obama does it but when other states have done it, its a good thing?


There are a few things here. I am only against the individual mandate. I have said it before. I know that's what makes it work, but I still think it is bullshiat. Additionally the federal government isn't a state. I am voting for Romney, I dont like it or him but I dont like Obama either. Really the only thing I like about Romney is him speaking about states rights.
 
2012-10-05 10:30:27 AM  

ferretman: Oh the teachers need more training.....isn't that what they were supposed to learn in college? You, just like the rest of the Obama butt-farkers on this site tend to use little snippets taken out of context hoping the sheep will follow.


If you graduated from college 10 or 15 years ago, the federal mandates ("No Child Left Behind," for starters) have changed the ground rules numerous times. The new playing field is about passing standardized tests, not providing an actual education. Without proper training on how these programs work and what they require (teaching to the test at the expense of everything else that good teachers used to do), you are a "failing" school and, by definition, a shiatty teacher.
 
2012-10-05 04:13:49 PM  

I alone am best: Really the only thing I like about Romney is him speaking about states rights.


And 'speaking about' states rights is all you're gonna get out of him, elected or not. Sorry, your side lost that one about 150 years ago.
 
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