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(Huffington Post)   1 debate down.... & people are wondering, where was Gary Johnson last night?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 19
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2012-10-04 02:07:38 PM
8 votes:
Whether you agree or disagree with the Libertarian (or Green Parties) they should be included in the debates. The political discourse in this country is stale and divisive. New ideas are needed and the major parties won't change without some new competition.
2012-10-04 01:55:32 PM
8 votes:
No, they're not.
2012-10-04 08:02:42 PM
1 votes:
I'm sure Gary Johnson was out having champaign and caviar with his cronies. I mean, out of some 300 million in funds, he spent 900$ on advertising and the rest on his "campaign management".

In other words, he wowed America with his libertarian "ethics" by taking the donation money gullible shiats gave him and just used it to enrich his cronies with a big payday. Sounds about right for the shiat stain that passes for libertarianism in the post bush world. Humanist libertarianism dies, replaced with objectivism and corporate worship.

You are bigger shiathead than mittens
2012-10-04 07:55:24 PM
1 votes:
The requirements to be in the debate are to be eligible to run for president, to be on enough ballots to mathematically win the electoral college, and to have a level of support of at least 15% in an aggregate of national polls. That last requirement was enacted in 2000. The Commission on Presidential Debates, in their mission statement, states that it exists to provide the best possible information to voters. If they believed that, it would be important to include the national third parties. Even if they weren't competitive, they would be able to push the two major parties to talk about topics they'd rather avoid. The CPD is a nonpartisian organization, but that doesn't mean it's without a political party. It's chaired by both Republicans and Democrats, and neither side sees anything for them to gain by introducing radically new ideas. The reason third parties don't poll as well is because they are cut out of the race on every level - no names in polls, no debates, no significant news coverage, and it is done intentionally by the establishment, and voters are not better off or more informed.

/libertarians are clowns
//vote Jill Stein (unless you're in a swing state)
2012-10-04 07:41:34 PM
1 votes:
A bunch of my FB friends are ranting and raving about Gary Johnson, and I've noticed that these are many of the same people who don't give a damn about politics except during the month of October every four years. They don't know crap about policy, the political system, or really much of anything that doesn't show up on prime time TV, but they sure do feel pretty happy with themselves, being so high above the political fray and all.
2012-10-04 06:59:49 PM
1 votes:
A corollary of Catch 22 keeps 3rd party candidates out of the debates. You can't be in the debates if you're not a viable candidate and you can't be a viable candidate if you're not in the debates.
2012-10-04 06:48:15 PM
1 votes:

slayer199: Whether you agree or disagree with the Libertarian (or Green Parties) they should be included in the debates. The political discourse in this country is stale and divisive. New ideas are needed and the major parties won't change without some new competition.


The presidential debates are not the forum for this. The regional elections are.

The presidential race is to "cap the pyramid" of pre-existing party races and established political momentum.

We are a representative democracy and the place to determine momentum for "new ideas" is at the grass roots of local elections. Introducing "new ideas" at the presidential by parties without a pre-existing legislative base is the wrong time. If those "new ideas" were so compelling, the voters would have acted on them already.
2012-10-04 06:25:56 PM
1 votes:
Fark you libertarians, win a significant portion of state senate seats, governships and congressional seats and actually, i dunno, farking govern a little before emanding the white house.
2012-10-04 06:19:33 PM
1 votes:

beta_plus: Gary Johnson has fantastic ideas and the experience to back it up (2 term governor and successful business leader). Sadly, he's god awful on camera.


Yes, that's the only problem with Gary Johnson. The camera.

Gary Johnson is incredibly brilliant and articulate and clear thinking. But only when no one is watching.

As long as we have Gary Johnson hiding behind a curtain 24/7, he would be the greatest president in American history. But the moment that Gary Johnson is observed, he comes across as an idiot.
2012-10-04 06:00:37 PM
1 votes:
There are 14 "third party" candidates running for president. Why should any one of them get to the debate without having them all there?
2012-10-04 05:48:59 PM
1 votes:
Poor Gary might be a lolbertarian but he still dosent deserve to be forced to spend an evening talking to duoploy dogs.
2012-10-04 05:45:25 PM
1 votes:
Oh wait, scratch that. I'm thinking of Huntsman.
2012-10-04 05:43:23 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: downstairs: CommieTaoist:
And Perot was polling with strong numbers, so he was considered a viable candidate.

He had money. That was about it. And charts. Lots and lots of charts.


Isn't Johnson's dad a billionaire? 
I mean, obviously anyone running for president will have money, but Johnson swims in it.

I trust rich libertarians even less than libertarians in general.
2012-10-04 05:00:11 PM
1 votes:
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/establishment let Obama get elected, promptly tied both his hands behind his back
//supported Johnson until I did some critical thinking
///Obama took out OBL the perp declared behind 9/11 debacle -- that's good enough for me... you f*cking retards
2012-10-04 04:15:02 PM
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 439x927]


Where was the fat white Zoroastrian cat during the debates? I would certainly be interested in his point of view on domestic policy. Perhaps 50 laboratories of meat?
2012-10-04 02:48:32 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-10-04 02:46:48 PM
1 votes:

slayer199: Whether you agree or disagree with the Libertarian (or Green Parties) they should be included in the debates. The political discourse in this country is stale and divisive. New ideas are needed and the major parties won't change without some new competition.


Which is why they will never condescend to let any other party participate, even third parties that have been around for a while, such as the Greens and the Libertarians. If they are fringe, give them a fair shot in a debate and see if their ideas really are that far out there. It will never happen, though.
2012-10-04 02:16:20 PM
1 votes:
I'm sure it was a finite, non-zero number of people who wondered this. But it was a very very small number.
2012-10-04 02:14:20 PM
1 votes:

slayer199: Whether you agree or disagree with the Libertarian (or Green Parties) they should be included in the debates. The political discourse in this country is stale and divisive. New ideas are needed and the major parties won't change without some new competition.


And that competition will mean absolutely nothing if it is forced into the debate as one-off "Well, someone has to be there" inclusions when the structure of the process itself prevents additional parties from gaining traction over the two main ones.
 
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