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2012-10-04 01:55:32 PM
No, they're not.
 
2012-10-04 01:55:37 PM
As much as I like Gary Johnson, forcing him onto the debates goes against a principle freedom, the freedom of association.
 
2012-10-04 02:07:38 PM
Whether you agree or disagree with the Libertarian (or Green Parties) they should be included in the debates. The political discourse in this country is stale and divisive. New ideas are needed and the major parties won't change without some new competition.
 
2012-10-04 02:14:20 PM

slayer199: Whether you agree or disagree with the Libertarian (or Green Parties) they should be included in the debates. The political discourse in this country is stale and divisive. New ideas are needed and the major parties won't change without some new competition.


And that competition will mean absolutely nothing if it is forced into the debate as one-off "Well, someone has to be there" inclusions when the structure of the process itself prevents additional parties from gaining traction over the two main ones.
 
2012-10-04 02:16:20 PM
I'm sure it was a finite, non-zero number of people who wondered this. But it was a very very small number.
 
2012-10-04 02:20:45 PM

MaxxLarge: No, they're not.

 
2012-10-04 02:33:15 PM
He's at home, washing his tights!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!
 
2012-10-04 02:41:16 PM
IIRC Perot was on the ballot in all 50 states, Johnson is only on the ballot 47. Perot also had a lot more money.
 
2012-10-04 02:46:48 PM

slayer199: Whether you agree or disagree with the Libertarian (or Green Parties) they should be included in the debates. The political discourse in this country is stale and divisive. New ideas are needed and the major parties won't change without some new competition.


Which is why they will never condescend to let any other party participate, even third parties that have been around for a while, such as the Greens and the Libertarians. If they are fringe, give them a fair shot in a debate and see if their ideas really are that far out there. It will never happen, though.
 
2012-10-04 02:48:32 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-04 02:49:12 PM
Fresh news ideas like "50 laboratories of innovation"
 
2012-10-04 02:54:36 PM

CommieTaoist: IIRC Perot was on the ballot in all 50 states, Johnson is only on the ballot 47. Perot also had a lot more money.



And Perot was polling with strong numbers, so he was considered a viable candidate.
 
2012-10-04 02:57:47 PM

downstairs: CommieTaoist: IIRC Perot was on the ballot in all 50 states, Johnson is only on the ballot 47. Perot also had a lot more money.


And Perot was polling with strong numbers, so he was considered a viable candidate.


He had money. That was about it. And charts. Lots and lots of charts. But polling wise, I don't think he ever really polled higher than the low-twenties nationally. He as considered mainly a spoiler. A goofy, insane spoiler.
 
2012-10-04 03:05:29 PM

Nabb1: But polling wise, I don't think he ever really polled higher than the low-twenties nationally.


39% in the summer of 92
 
2012-10-04 03:09:00 PM

Jackson Herring: Nabb1: But polling wise, I don't think he ever really polled higher than the low-twenties nationally.

39% in the summer of 92


Really? He got that high? I think he pulled 19% after it was all said and done.
 
2012-10-04 03:10:38 PM
The only beings thinking that are the folks who have Libertarian slogans and stickers scattered throughout their existence.

They're not even really people, anyway, so who cares?
 
2012-10-04 03:14:32 PM

MaxxLarge: No, they're not.


Done in one.
 
2012-10-04 03:15:38 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: T

They're not even really people, anyway, so who cares?


Just like that little 4-eyes kid on the playground?
 
2012-10-04 03:17:58 PM

cman: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: T

They're not even really people, anyway, so who cares?

Just like that little 4-eyes kid on the playground?


Or Canadians
 
2012-10-04 03:21:32 PM

Nabb1: Jackson Herring: Nabb1: But polling wise, I don't think he ever really polled higher than the low-twenties nationally.

39% in the summer of 92

Really? He got that high? I think he pulled 19% after it was all said and done.



Yep, at least according to Wiki.  I do know he was in the lead mid-summer for sure.
 
tucsoncitizen.com
 
2012-10-04 03:29:27 PM

downstairs: Nabb1: Jackson Herring: Nabb1: But polling wise, I don't think he ever really polled higher than the low-twenties nationally.

39% in the summer of 92

Really? He got that high? I think he pulled 19% after it was all said and done.


Yep, at least according to Wiki.  I do know he was in the lead mid-summer for sure.
 
[tucsoncitizen.com image 400x527]


And now, all we have left are memories. Memories of that "giant sucking sound."
 
2012-10-04 03:32:00 PM
LOLbertarians.
 
2012-10-04 03:32:15 PM

CommieTaoist: IIRC Perot was on the ballot in all 50 states, Johnson is only on the ballot 47. Perot also had a lot more money.


Number of states shouldn't matter. If it is mathematically possible (in the Electoral College) for a candidate to be elected President, why exclude them? Oh, and the LP has ~200,000 members and hundreds of elected officials around the country (so do the Greens, I believe). Perot didn't have a party backing him.
 
2012-10-04 03:35:18 PM
They are?

/who?
 
2012-10-04 03:56:37 PM
All 18 of them.
 
2012-10-04 04:09:27 PM
Really though, if someone is on enough ballots to theoretically win the election, they should be invited to the debates. Even if they don't have a snowballs chance in hell.

The "We can't bring him because he's not viable" is just as retarded as the NFL going "We can't show games on TV unless they're sold out"
 
2012-10-04 04:15:02 PM

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 439x927]


Where was the fat white Zoroastrian cat during the debates? I would certainly be interested in his point of view on domestic policy. Perhaps 50 laboratories of meat?
 
2012-10-04 04:16:54 PM

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 439x927]

Where was the fat white Zoroastrian cat during the debates? I would certainly be interested in his point of view on domestic policy. Perhaps 50 laboratories of meat?


All men hereby banished
 
2012-10-04 04:23:57 PM

downstairs: Nabb1: Jackson Herring: Nabb1: But polling wise, I don't think he ever really polled higher than the low-twenties nationally.

39% in the summer of 92

Really? He got that high? I think he pulled 19% after it was all said and done.


Yep, at least according to Wiki.  I do know he was in the lead mid-summer for sure.
 
[tucsoncitizen.com image 400x527]


He was the 3-way race leader as stated before he dropped out (39% in June).

Also, I distinctly recall NBC stating that exit polling showed that I think it was like either 42% of all voters, or maybe 42% of voters who didn't vote for Perot (a big difference I agree, but, in a 3-way race, even the former was significant) at one point thought about voting for Perot.

If he'd not dropped out, and had a VP candidate that could handle the debate, I think we'd have been very close to a President Perot... for whatever that would have done for the country, who knows.
 
2012-10-04 05:00:11 PM
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/establishment let Obama get elected, promptly tied both his hands behind his back
//supported Johnson until I did some critical thinking
///Obama took out OBL the perp declared behind 9/11 debacle -- that's good enough for me... you f*cking retards
 
2012-10-04 05:11:07 PM

dletter: He was the 3-way race leader as stated before he dropped out (39% in June).

Also, I distinctly recall NBC stating that exit polling showed that I think it was like either 42% of all voters, or maybe 42% of voters who didn't vote for Perot (a big difference I agree, but, in a 3-way race, even the former was significant) at one point thought about voting for Perot.

If he'd not dropped out, and had a VP candidate that could handle the debate, I think we'd have been very close to a President Perot... for whatever that would have done for the country, who knows.


And that's how Perot's ridiculousness pushed the viability of third parties in America off a cliff.
 
2012-10-04 05:14:09 PM
Curious, do equal time laws apply here?
 
2012-10-04 05:14:24 PM
Gary Johnson has fantastic ideas and the experience to back it up (2 term governor and successful business leader). Sadly, he's god awful on camera. It's a shame he hasn't used some of his fortune to improve his on camera skills.
 
2012-10-04 05:15:24 PM

Headso: Curious, do equal time laws apply here?


There are no equal time laws. But if there weren't, they wouldn't apply because he wouldn't meet the minimum support thresholds
 
2012-10-04 05:16:17 PM
Gary Johnson and Jill Stein should have their own debate. Neither has a snowball chance in hell of winning the presidency but a debate between them would be interesting to watch and likely more informative than anything we'll get from Obomney.
 
2012-10-04 05:16:34 PM

CommieTaoist: IIRC Perot was on the ballot in all 50 states, Johnson is only on the ballot 47. Perot also had a lot more money.


Plus having a non-partisan group host the debate instead of a DNC/RNC conspiracy helps.
 
2012-10-04 05:17:43 PM
apparently no...

Since 1983, political debates not hosted by the media station are considered news events, thus may include only major-party candidates without having to offer air time to minor-party or independent candidates.
 
2012-10-04 05:18:53 PM

urban.derelict: Obama took out OBL the perp declared behind 9/11 debacle -- that's good enough for me... you f*cking retards


good enough for you yet you call us retards?

 
2012-10-04 05:19:25 PM
Wow, you libs appear shell-shocked today from the shellacking O received last night. I think you'll need therapy for the rest of the week. One easy way to fix it is to hug your mommy and suck your thumb. ;)
 
2012-10-04 05:19:30 PM

cman: As much as I like Gary Johnson, forcing him onto the debates goes against a principle freedom, the freedom of association.


That's not a freedom recognized by Progressives - unless it's the suburban neighborhoods they live in that just happen to have their school district lines end before the poor neighborhood.
 
2012-10-04 05:20:09 PM

Carth: Gary Johnson and Jill Stein should have their own debate.


There will be a Johnson vs. Stein debate on October 23rd at freeandequal.org. The candidates of the Constitution Party and the Justice Party will also participate. Never heard of the Justice Party before, but from what I remember of the Constitution Party, that guy is likely to become the breakout star of the debate.

/for bringing the lulz, not in getting anywhere in the polls
 
2012-10-04 05:20:09 PM

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 439x927]


You win my "Thursday WTF award of non-sequitorialism"

/It's in the mail
 
2012-10-04 05:20:54 PM

urban.derelict: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x194]
/establishment let Obama get elected, promptly tied both his hands behind his back
//supported Johnson until I did some critical thinking
///Obama took out OBL the perp declared behind 9/11 debacle -- that's good enough for me... you f*cking retards


I love you Urban.Derelict.

I also supported Johnson, now I'm leaning Stein. If I was in Ohio or Florida though, I'd be marching in the street campaigning for Obama. I'm in California though, so looks like a protest vote and a whole bunch of misleading initiatives are my focus...
 
2012-10-04 05:21:00 PM

robsul82: Carth: Gary Johnson and Jill Stein should have their own debate.

There will be a Johnson vs. Stein debate on October 23rd at freeandequal.org. The candidates of the Constitution Party and the Justice Party will also participate. Never heard of the Justice Party before, but from what I remember of the Constitution Party, that guy is likely to become the breakout star of the debate.

/for bringing the lulz, not in getting anywhere in the polls


Awesome thank you. I'll have to make a note so i remember to tune in.
 
2012-10-04 05:22:03 PM

Agneska: One easy way to fix it is to hug your mommy and suck your thumb.


Is this a coping mechanism you employ?
 
2012-10-04 05:22:05 PM

Bloody William: slayer199: Whether you agree or disagree with the Libertarian (or Green Parties) they should be included in the debates. The political discourse in this country is stale and divisive. New ideas are needed and the major parties won't change without some new competition.

And that competition will mean absolutely nothing if it is forced into the debate as one-off "Well, someone has to be there" inclusions when the structure of the process itself prevents additional parties from gaining traction over the two main ones.


You sound like a commie!
 
2012-10-04 05:23:46 PM

Nabb1: polling wise, I don't think [Perot] ever really polled higher than the low-twenties nationally.


Oh, so only five or six times higher than Gary Johnson is polling this year.
 
2012-10-04 05:23:47 PM

Agneska: Wow, you libs appear shell-shocked today from the shellacking O received last night. I think you'll need therapy for the rest of the week. One easy way to fix it is to hug your mommy and suck your thumb. ;)


Not by far a lib but I'm basking in the shellacking Romney is getting today:

Link

Link
 
2012-10-04 05:24:10 PM
Perot was polling very well in the summer of 1992. Then he had a meltdown over a possible threat of some kind against his daughter and nearly pulled out of the campaign entirely. He finally thought better of it, but the damage had been done and he was no longer viable.
 
2012-10-04 05:27:05 PM
In a perfect world, Gary Johnson would've been the winner of last night's debaclte by virtue of not being there.

In our world, people like saving up their votes for something better. Why else would they fear "throwing their vote away"?
 
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