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2012-10-04 10:52:10 AM  
4 votes:
But climate change isn't happening, therefore we should burn this oil we just found because of climate change.

Goddammit.
2012-10-04 01:25:03 PM  
3 votes:
Remember how we ran out of stones and had to end the stone age?
2012-10-04 01:41:02 PM  
2 votes:

Captain Horatio Mindblower: It's a virtuous cycle. If you aren't a polar bear.

/And I'm not!


Hey, there are more polar bears than there were decades ago. We have to raise more of them, so we can harvest them for their oil.
2012-10-04 01:29:53 PM  
2 votes:
Some people might be calling this a bad thing, but those people are entirely neglecting the pointless uninformed debate that will arise on the internet as a result of this discovery.
2012-10-04 01:29:49 PM  
2 votes:

meat0918: wildcardjack: Remember how we ran out of stones and had to end the stone age?

I wonder if future archaeologists will look back and call this the Oil Age?


I dunno, will cockroach societies have archaeologists?
2012-10-04 10:35:18 PM  
1 votes:

rewind2846: Beyond those people are the people who refuse to change they lifestyles they lead because those lifestyles are dependent on fossil fuels. They feel somehow it's their gawd given right as americans to use whatever they can pay for, because fu(k you that's why.
And beyond THOSE people are morans who somehow feel that the bullsh*t from shills for corporations which makes billions for their industry is more reputable than the facts and science from relatively poorly paid scientists who've spent hundreds of man-years or more collectively studying this. Reading is for fa&&ots and all that.
And even beyond THOSE people are the uber-morans who see the end of the world coming soon and that their particular deity will fix everything, so it doesn't matter how badly humans fu(k sh*t up.


You forgot the people who think that we're going to fly to the stars, (and the sooner the better), so who cares what we do to this planet? It is our destiny to leave here anyway.
2012-10-04 09:36:45 PM  
1 votes:

make me some tea: Uncle Tractor: make me some tea: Given the uncertainty, I firmly believe we need to wean ourselves off of the fossil fuel tit and invest in green tech and reduce our CO2 emissions. It just seems like common sense to me. I don't understand why there's so much drama about this issue.

People make money by selling you fossil fuel. They stop making money if you stop using it. Thus the drama.

Well yeah, obviously. Beyond those those people though...


Beyond those people are the people who refuse to change they lifestyles they lead because those lifestyles are dependent on fossil fuels. They feel somehow it's their gawd given right as americans to use whatever they can pay for, because fu(k you that's why.

And beyond THOSE people are morans who somehow feel that the bullsh*t from shills for corporations which makes billions for their industry is more reputable than the facts and science from relatively poorly paid scientists who've spent hundreds of man-years or more collectively studying this. Reading is for fa&&ots and all that.

And even beyond THOSE people are the uber-morans who see the end of the world coming soon and that their particular deity will fix everything, so it doesn't matter how badly humans fu(k sh*t up.
2012-10-04 03:55:37 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: IlGreven: Holocaust Agnostic: IlGreven: Ambitwistor: Abuse Liability: Weather/climate change is cyclical.

Except that what we're seeing now doesn't correspond to any historic "cycle" in climate in rate, magnitude, or timing. Furthermore, regardless of the existence of climate cycles, we are undeniably perturbing the natural climate variability with the enhanced greenhouse effect.

All you really have to do to convince a "skeptic" is to tell them this: We know pretty much every factor that makes the climate change. And we still can't use those factors to line up the last 200 years with historical trends. So, either there's a "hidden" factor in climate change that didn't do anything until 200 years ago...or something that happened 200 years ago is a large factor in climate change, overriding many of the other factors in a big way. Hmm...what happened about 200 years ago that could have byproducts that make the climate change?

...if they're still "skeptics" after this...they're not really "skeptics".

I don't think "we know pretty much every factor that makes climate change" is a verifiably accurate statement.

Well, then, what factors are we missing? And can they have predicted the spike in the past 200 years that known factors haven't predicted?

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I don't know the difference between "Time" and scientific journals


No one expects you to, sweetie.
2012-10-04 02:41:07 PM  
1 votes:

EVERYBODY PANIC: mytdawg: We have learned nothing. We shall milk the earth until she's dry or she rears back and destroys us first. Blind pursuit of profit will be our undoing as it has been to this point.

Got a better idea? There are 7 BILLION people needing food, water, shelter and a great variety of goods and services. What, my good man, would you propose we do rather than use available resources to make life tolerable for most if not all of humanity?


Use those resources to figure out how to get at least partially off of this rock.
2012-10-04 02:12:31 PM  
1 votes:
4.54 billion years old, yet some proclaim to know exactly how it works.

Why does warm water freeze faster than cool water? No farking clue, mpemba effect.

Consensus is not science, any REAL scientist will tell you that.
Scientific Method, How does it work?
2012-10-04 02:06:37 PM  
1 votes:
Nothing to see here. This year's ice melt is perfectly normal . . .
nsidc.org
2012-10-04 02:04:00 PM  
1 votes:

WelldeadLink: and now everyone's all warm and in short-shorts.


Skimpy clothes? All in favor say 'aye'

No, not you, Rosie O'Donnell
2012-10-04 02:00:00 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: make me some tea: Joe Blowme: This is terrible!!! i mean, its never happened in the past this is totally new, the planet has always been the same temp since god made it and man rode the dinosaurs

It has happened in the past plenty of times, but never before in the course of 200 years. Data from Antarctic/Arctic ice cores shows that changes take thousands of years naturally.

So we had an ice age 200 years ago? WTF?


The Little Ice Age. You might have heard of it, it was all the fashion. Times change, and now everyone's all warm and in short-shorts.
2012-10-04 01:56:26 PM  
1 votes:

jigger: WizardofToast: Okay, say climate change is fake and whatever...what the fark do we do when we run OUT of oil? That crap doesn't grow on trees.

Either Road Warrior or Star Trek, nothing in between.


Nonsense, we'll all have little fukushima's in our automobile engine compartments. Regular maintenance and safety upgrades will be optional.
2012-10-04 01:50:54 PM  
1 votes:

nmemkha: I dunno, will cockroach societies have archaeologists?


I don't see why not.
2012-10-04 01:50:43 PM  
1 votes:
But...but...but...

AAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL GOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRE!
2012-10-04 01:46:39 PM  
1 votes:

Captain Horatio Mindblower: It's a virtuous cycle. If you aren't a polar bear.

/And I'm not!


lies!
2012-10-04 01:40:05 PM  
1 votes:
Some scientists calculate it is the greatest melt in the history of humankind

Well they haven't read articles from the 1920s where explorers found totally ice free waters above the 81st parallel.
2012-10-04 01:35:10 PM  
1 votes:
Let's see: Climate change, rampant exploitation of non-renewable resources by energy companies, increasing sense of anger towards The Establishment, growing sense of paranoia by both the multi-national corporations and governments...

I give it two years, for this.

g-ecx.images-amazon.com
2012-10-04 01:33:44 PM  
1 votes:

NutznGum: The biggest proof the globe is getting warmer is all the sabre rattling about Arctic borders and sovereignty we're getting from Canada, Russia, the US, etc...


PSSSTTTT.... its been getting warmer since the last ice age. Its like a cycle or something
2012-10-04 01:29:25 PM  
1 votes:
How nice for them. We should pass the hat around and send them a congratulatory mpuffin basket.
2012-10-04 01:26:49 PM  
1 votes:

wildcardjack: Remember how we ran out of stones and had to end the stone age?


I wonder if future archeologists will look back and call this the Oil Age?
2012-10-04 01:21:34 PM  
1 votes:
It's a virtuous cycle. If you aren't a polar bear.

/And I'm not!
2012-10-04 11:26:49 AM  
1 votes:
I'm sorry, there can be no upside to global climate change. It can only be bad, all the time.
 
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