Captain Horatio Mindblower: It's a virtuous cycle. If you aren't a polar bear./And I'm not!
meat0918: wildcardjack: Remember how we ran out of stones and had to end the stone age?I wonder if future archaeologists will look back and call this the Oil Age?
rewind2846: Beyond those people are the people who refuse to change they lifestyles they lead because those lifestyles are dependent on fossil fuels. They feel somehow it's their gawd given right as americans to use whatever they can pay for, because fark you that's why.And beyond THOSE people are morans who somehow feel that the bullsh*t from shills for corporations which makes billions for their industry is more reputable than the facts and science from relatively poorly paid scientists who've spent hundreds of man-years or more collectively studying this. Reading is for fa&&ots and all that.And even beyond THOSE people are the uber-morans who see the end of the world coming soon and that their particular deity will fix everything, so it doesn't matter how badly humans fark sh*t up.
make me some tea: Uncle Tractor: make me some tea: Given the uncertainty, I firmly believe we need to wean ourselves off of the fossil fuel tit and invest in green tech and reduce our CO2 emissions. It just seems like common sense to me. I don't understand why there's so much drama about this issue.People make money by selling you fossil fuel. They stop making money if you stop using it. Thus the drama.Well yeah, obviously. Beyond those those people though...
Joe Blowme: IlGreven: Holocaust Agnostic: IlGreven: Ambitwistor: Abuse Liability: Weather/climate change is cyclical.Except that what we're seeing now doesn't correspond to any historic "cycle" in climate in rate, magnitude, or timing. Furthermore, regardless of the existence of climate cycles, we are undeniably perturbing the natural climate variability with the enhanced greenhouse effect.All you really have to do to convince a "skeptic" is to tell them this: We know pretty much every factor that makes the climate change. And we still can't use those factors to line up the last 200 years with historical trends. So, either there's a "hidden" factor in climate change that didn't do anything until 200 years ago...or something that happened 200 years ago is a large factor in climate change, overriding many of the other factors in a big way. Hmm...what happened about 200 years ago that could have byproducts that make the climate change?...if they're still "skeptics" after this...they're not really "skeptics".I don't think "we know pretty much every factor that makes climate change" is a verifiably accurate statement.Well, then, what factors are we missing? And can they have predicted the spike in the past 200 years that known factors haven't predicted?[thecynicaleconomist.com image 299x400] I don't know the difference between "Time" and scientific journals
EVERYBODY PANIC: mytdawg: We have learned nothing. We shall milk the earth until she's dry or she rears back and destroys us first. Blind pursuit of profit will be our undoing as it has been to this point.Got a better idea? There are 7 BILLION people needing food, water, shelter and a great variety of goods and services. What, my good man, would you propose we do rather than use available resources to make life tolerable for most if not all of humanity?
WelldeadLink: and now everyone's all warm and in short-shorts.
Joe Blowme: make me some tea: Joe Blowme: This is terrible!!! i mean, its never happened in the past this is totally new, the planet has always been the same temp since god made it and man rode the dinosaursIt has happened in the past plenty of times, but never before in the course of 200 years. Data from Antarctic/Arctic ice cores shows that changes take thousands of years naturally.So we had an ice age 200 years ago? WTF?
jigger: WizardofToast: Okay, say climate change is fake and whatever...what the fark do we do when we run OUT of oil? That crap doesn't grow on trees.Either Road Warrior or Star Trek, nothing in between.
nmemkha: I dunno, will cockroach societies have archaeologists?
NutznGum: The biggest proof the globe is getting warmer is all the sabre rattling about Arctic borders and sovereignty we're getting from Canada, Russia, the US, etc...
wildcardjack: Remember how we ran out of stones and had to end the stone age?
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