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2012-10-04 10:52:10 AM
But climate change isn't happening, therefore we should burn this oil we just found because of climate change.

Goddammit.
 
2012-10-04 11:26:49 AM
I'm sorry, there can be no upside to global climate change. It can only be bad, all the time.
 
2012-10-04 12:26:14 PM
It's a great business plan - Shell helped create the very conditions that allow them to exploit more resources.
 
2012-10-04 12:28:45 PM

Superrad: I'm sorry, there can be no upside to global climate change. It can only be bad, all the time.


Right.

In order to access previously inaccessible resources - we end up creating feedback loops that expedite global warming. That's one of the reasons why climate change models are continually reformatting the time line - the degree to which a feedback loop will expedite the process depends on the intensity of the feedback loop.
 
2012-10-04 01:21:34 PM
It's a virtuous cycle. If you aren't a polar bear.

/And I'm not!
 
2012-10-04 01:24:15 PM
Climate change has enabled companies like Shell to pursue pollute previously inaccessible resources pristine ecosystems

FTFY

The melting of the ice caps can in no way be looked at as a positive development.
 
2012-10-04 01:24:58 PM
We have learned nothing. We shall milk the earth until she's dry or she rears back and destroys us first. Blind pursuit of profit will be our undoing as it has been to this point.

It's kinda like watching Jim from Wild Kingdom wrestle the anaconda.
 
2012-10-04 01:25:03 PM
Remember how we ran out of stones and had to end the stone age?
 
2012-10-04 01:25:48 PM
Which will allow us to burn more fossil fuels and speed up the process!

Where is my carbon dioxide sequestration technology!!!! WHAR!!!!!
 
2012-10-04 01:26:27 PM

FishyFred: But climate change isn't happening, therefore we should burn this oil we just found because of climate change.

Goddammit.


That's why they're trying to change the narrative from "Global warming isn't real" to "Global warming is real, but it's a natural cycle." It's hard to totally deny it now, but if things are going to be OK anyway, then why not drill that oil?
 
2012-10-04 01:26:49 PM

wildcardjack: Remember how we ran out of stones and had to end the stone age?


I wonder if future archeologists will look back and call this the Oil Age?
 
2012-10-04 01:27:21 PM
The biggest proof the globe is getting warmer is all the sabre rattling about Arctic borders and sovereignty we're getting from Canada, Russia, the US, etc...
 
2012-10-04 01:29:25 PM
How nice for them. We should pass the hat around and send them a congratulatory mpuffin basket.
 
2012-10-04 01:29:49 PM

meat0918: wildcardjack: Remember how we ran out of stones and had to end the stone age?

I wonder if future archaeologists will look back and call this the Oil Age?


I dunno, will cockroach societies have archaeologists?
 
2012-10-04 01:29:53 PM
Some people might be calling this a bad thing, but those people are entirely neglecting the pointless uninformed debate that will arise on the internet as a result of this discovery.
 
2012-10-04 01:29:56 PM
This is terrible!!! i mean, its never happened in the past this is totally new, the planet has always been the same temp since god made it and man rode the dinosaurs
 
2012-10-04 01:33:17 PM
Additional resources for humanity.... Sweet Mother of God, this is horrible!! EVERYBODY PANIC!!
 
2012-10-04 01:33:22 PM

jake_lex: FishyFred: But climate change isn't happening, therefore we should burn this oil we just found because of climate change.

Goddammit.

That's why they're trying to change the narrative from "Global warming isn't real" to "Global warming is real, but it's a natural cycle." It's hard to totally deny it now, but if things are going to be OK anyway, then why not drill that oil?


Weather/climate change is cyclical. I think the argument was and will continue to be exactly how big a role our carbon emissions play in the grand scheme of things. Its not a simple formula either as several interconnected factors contribute to global warming. Personally, I drive a hybrid because I like the environment and hate gas prices. I don't know how big of an impact that will make, nor do I care.
 
2012-10-04 01:33:43 PM

Joe Blowme: This is terrible!!! i mean, its never happened in the past this is totally new, the planet has always been the same temp since god made it and man rode the dinosaurs


Except, no.
 
2012-10-04 01:33:44 PM

NutznGum: The biggest proof the globe is getting warmer is all the sabre rattling about Arctic borders and sovereignty we're getting from Canada, Russia, the US, etc...


PSSSTTTT.... its been getting warmer since the last ice age. Its like a cycle or something
 
2012-10-04 01:34:19 PM
Perhaps vampire is a bit strong but...
 
2012-10-04 01:34:39 PM

Joe Blowme: This is terrible!!! i mean, its never happened in the past this is totally new, the planet has always been the same temp since god made it and man rode the dinosaurs


It has happened in the past plenty of times, but never before in the course of 200 years. Data from Antarctic/Arctic ice cores shows that changes take thousands of years naturally.
 
2012-10-04 01:35:10 PM
Let's see: Climate change, rampant exploitation of non-renewable resources by energy companies, increasing sense of anger towards The Establishment, growing sense of paranoia by both the multi-national corporations and governments...

I give it two years, for this.

g-ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-10-04 01:36:34 PM

meat0918: wildcardjack: Remember how we ran out of stones and had to end the stone age?

I wonder if future archeologists will look back and call this the Oil Age?


Actually, this age is being called the "Anthropocene"
 
2012-10-04 01:36:55 PM

Bontesla: In order to access previously inaccessible resources - we end up creating feedback loops that expedite global warming. That's one of the reasons why climate change models are continually reformatting the time line - the degree to which a feedback loop will expedite the process depends on the intensity of the feedback loop.


You can't use logic and reason to change an opinion that wasn't formed using logic and reason in the first place.
 
2012-10-04 01:37:44 PM

Abuse Liability: jake_lex: FishyFred: But climate change isn't happening, therefore we should burn this oil we just found because of climate change.

Goddammit.

That's why they're trying to change the narrative from "Global warming isn't real" to "Global warming is real, but it's a natural cycle." It's hard to totally deny it now, but if things are going to be OK anyway, then why not drill that oil?

Weather/climate change is cyclical. I think the argument was and will continue to be exactly how big a role our carbon emissions play in the grand scheme of things. Its not a simple formula either as several interconnected factors contribute to global warming. Personally, I drive a hybrid because I like the environment and hate gas prices. I don't know how big of an impact that will make, nor do I care.


That's it! Turn your hybrid in to the DNC immediately! Now you'll see what happens when you don't fall in line!

\\bought my ford focus for the same reasons, would have bought a hybrid had they been cheap enough.
 
2012-10-04 01:37:56 PM

gulogulo: meat0918: wildcardjack: Remember how we ran out of stones and had to end the stone age?

I wonder if future archeologists will look back and call this the Oil Age?

Actually, this age is being called the "Anthropocene"


Good point.
 
2012-10-04 01:40:05 PM
Some scientists calculate it is the greatest melt in the history of humankind

Well they haven't read articles from the 1920s where explorers found totally ice free waters above the 81st parallel.
 
2012-10-04 01:41:02 PM

Captain Horatio Mindblower: It's a virtuous cycle. If you aren't a polar bear.

/And I'm not!


Hey, there are more polar bears than there were decades ago. We have to raise more of them, so we can harvest them for their oil.
 
2012-10-04 01:42:05 PM

make me some tea: Joe Blowme: This is terrible!!! i mean, its never happened in the past this is totally new, the planet has always been the same temp since god made it and man rode the dinosaurs

It has happened in the past plenty of times, but never before in the course of 200 years. Data from Antarctic/Arctic ice cores shows that changes take thousands of years naturally.


So we had an ice age 200 years ago? WTF?
 
2012-10-04 01:42:05 PM
Okay, say climate change is fake and whatever...what the fark do we do when we run OUT of oil? That crap doesn't grow on trees.
 
2012-10-04 01:42:18 PM

Abuse Liability: Weather/climate change is cyclical.


Except that what we're seeing now doesn't correspond to any historic "cycle" in climate in rate, magnitude, or timing. Furthermore, regardless of the existence of climate cycles, we are undeniably perturbing the natural climate variability with the enhanced greenhouse effect.
 
2012-10-04 01:43:35 PM

gulogulo: Actually, this age is being called the "Anthropocene"


Wat? Holocene wat?

imageshack.us
 
2012-10-04 01:43:57 PM

WelldeadLink: Captain Horatio Mindblower: It's a virtuous cycle. If you aren't a polar bear.

/And I'm not!

Hey, there are more polar bears than there were decades ago. We have to raise more of them, so we can harvest them for their oil.


The Chinese have bear bile farms (horrible, horrible business D: , and look it up if you have the stomach for that sort of thing) because -get this- bear bile is better than viagra.

Then again, bears kill themselves and their offspring in these places :C
 
2012-10-04 01:44:04 PM
It's also given Seattle awesome weather. Screw the rest of the planet! ;)
 
2012-10-04 01:45:09 PM

WizardofToast: Okay, say climate change is fake and whatever...what the fark do we do when we run OUT of oil? That crap doesn't grow on trees.


Either Road Warrior or Star Trek, nothing in between.
 
2012-10-04 01:45:37 PM
Persue rescources.
I like that.
As opposed to RAPE Rape
 
2012-10-04 01:45:39 PM

CygnusDarius: Let's see: Climate change, rampant exploitation of non-renewable resources by energy companies, increasing sense of anger towards The Establishment, growing sense of paranoia by both the multi-national corporations and governments...

I give it two years, for this.

[g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 800x450]


Two years? Four years.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-04 01:46:39 PM

Captain Horatio Mindblower: It's a virtuous cycle. If you aren't a polar bear.

/And I'm not!


lies!
 
2012-10-04 01:47:08 PM

Joe Blowme: This is terrible!!! i mean, its never happened in the past this is totally new, the planet has always been the same temp since god made it and man rode the dinosaurs


Yes, but as the location where food can be grown changes (a lot of food producing region are experiencing long-term droughts) we will need to adapt quickly. Our systems have been so optimized for efficiency (low inventories) and we have monetized food in the form of commodities that we are ripe for food shortages and speculative price increases. Denying the problem only delays the implementation of proactive and reactive actions to protect our food supply.
 
2012-10-04 01:50:15 PM

jigger: WizardofToast: Okay, say climate change is fake and whatever...what the fark do we do when we run OUT of oil? That crap doesn't grow on trees.

Either Road Warrior or Star Trek, nothing in between.


Uh...yes it does.
 
2012-10-04 01:50:43 PM
But...but...but...

AAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL GOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRE!
 
2012-10-04 01:50:54 PM

nmemkha: I dunno, will cockroach societies have archaeologists?


I don't see why not.
 
2012-10-04 01:52:05 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: gulogulo: Actually, this age is being called the "Anthropocene"

Wat? Holocene wat?

[imageshack.us image 400x440]


http://www.economist.com/node/18741749

It's a newish term, starting to crop up in the scientific journals I read. Mostly Anthropology journals.
 
2012-10-04 01:52:19 PM

Ambitwistor: Abuse Liability: Weather/climate change is cyclical.

Except that what we're seeing now doesn't correspond to any historic "cycle" in climate in rate, magnitude, or timing. Furthermore, regardless of the existence of climate cycles, we are undeniably perturbing the natural climate variability with the enhanced greenhouse effect.


If there's anything I've learned as a biologist, predictive models are 'mostly' bullshiat. We don't completely understand what contributes to biology or climate change. Compensatory mechanisms wreak havoc on all of our mathematical models. For instance, if temperatures continued to changed, melting ice caps etc., this might change the distribution of C02 releasing and C02 consuming sea life. I have no problem with the hypothesis that man contributes to climate change. I take issue with the fact that so many people seem to "know" how large of an effect we produce. Especially because any interest group be it church, climate change enthusiasts, government or even scientists (that want to get their research funded), all have a financial stake in the outcome and will ride this rollercoaster into the ground
 
2012-10-04 01:52:49 PM

WelldeadLink: CygnusDarius: Let's see: Climate change, rampant exploitation of non-renewable resources by energy companies, increasing sense of anger towards The Establishment, growing sense of paranoia by both the multi-national corporations and governments...

I give it two years, for this.

[g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 800x450]

Two years? Four years.

[i.imgur.com image 641x419]


I say two, because the people are not gonna take it, and it only needs one CEO of a big company to die in order to get the shebang going.
 
2012-10-04 01:52:51 PM
"The end of the last ice age was a time of extreme and rapid climatic change. Global warming accelerated 10,000 years ago, triggering rapid changes in plant and animal life. The changeover from spruce to pine forest in our region was possibly witnessed by Paleo-Indian hunters in a single lifetime."

Wonder if there was a Paleo-Indian oil company to blame. Or Paleo-Indian Hummers.
 
2012-10-04 01:56:26 PM

jigger: WizardofToast: Okay, say climate change is fake and whatever...what the fark do we do when we run OUT of oil? That crap doesn't grow on trees.

Either Road Warrior or Star Trek, nothing in between.


Nonsense, we'll all have little fukushima's in our automobile engine compartments. Regular maintenance and safety upgrades will be optional.
 
2012-10-04 01:57:05 PM

Abuse Liability: If there's anything I've learned as a biologist, predictive models are 'mostly' bullshiat. We don't completely understand what contributes to biology or climate change. Compensatory mechanisms wreak havoc on all of our mathematical models. For instance, if temperatures continued to changed, melting ice caps etc., this might change the distribution of C02 releasing and C02 consuming sea life. I have no problem with the hypothesis that man contributes to climate change. I take issue with the fact that so many people seem to "know" how large of an effect we produce. Especially because any interest group be it church, climate change enthusiasts, government or even scientists (that want to get their research funded), all have a financial stake in the outcome and will ride this rollercoaster into the ground


What kind of biology do you do? I'm surprised you'd bring out the 'scientists do it for the money.' Sure, there are some, but the majority I know are not such 'one-trick-ponies.'
 
2012-10-04 01:58:39 PM

tommydee: "The end of the last ice age was a time of extreme and rapid climatic change. Global warming accelerated 10,000 years ago, triggering rapid changes in plant and animal life. The changeover from spruce to pine forest in our region was possibly witnessed by Paleo-Indian hunters in a single lifetime."

Wonder if there was a Paleo-Indian oil company to blame. Or Paleo-Indian Hummers.


It was those darn buffalo and their flatulence. The indians clearly were trying to combat early climate change with their hunts.
 
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