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(My Fox DC)   So, we're forced to buy ObamaCare, which is signed by a president who smokes, ran by a treasury chief who didn't pay taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese and financed by a country that's broke. What the blank could possibly go wrong?   (myfoxdc.com) divider line 105
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2012-10-04 10:44:17 AM  
The only thing that can possibly go wrong here is clicking on a Fox link.
 
2012-10-04 10:44:38 AM  
Not having health insurance and getting seriously sicks seems much worse.
 
2012-10-04 10:45:43 AM  
Obamacare is not an insurance policy.....you have to buy insurance of your choice and new rules limiting how much said insurance companies can fark you over are in place.
 
2012-10-04 10:45:56 AM  
Actually 30 million people without insurance getting seriously sick (because they couldn't go to the doctor when they were only a little sick) and winding up at the emergency room, not paying, and leaving the tax payers with the people seems much MUCH worse!
 
2012-10-04 10:46:19 AM  
Buy ObamaCare? Come back when you know what you're talking about.
 
2012-10-04 10:46:37 AM  
I wonder how many people look at their bank accounts and say to themselves, "I have nothing to worry about. I can TOTALLY afford to have cancer."
 
2012-10-04 10:46:44 AM  
Rather than have a broke country finance it, we can just...*checks notes*...let them go to the emergency room.

/what conservatives actually believe
 
2012-10-04 10:47:04 AM  
Oh hey, look, it's that bumper sticker again.
 
2012-10-04 10:47:21 AM  
A half decent plan could be scuttled by republican obstructionist retards?
 
2012-10-04 10:47:54 AM  
Q) What the blank could possibly go wrong?
A) This thread.

With that much lead in editorializing why even leave it open for comments? Subby seems to have covered all the bases. Why even discuss?
 
2012-10-04 10:48:41 AM  
Saw this at work yesterday.
Pointed out the flaws.
No one cared.

/god, i hate the west side of Michigan.
 
2012-10-04 10:49:02 AM  
Fallacy of composition.
 
2012-10-04 10:49:04 AM  
Forced to buy Obamacare? What does that mean?

Is there a public option now?

Sweet.
 
2012-10-04 10:50:12 AM  
You could elect a guy who is great at firing Americans and creating jobs in China.
 
2012-10-04 10:50:44 AM  
A first world country that can't provide basic healthcare to all its citizens seems much worse.

I don't mind paying for the healthcare of people who can't afford it. I put it in the same category as having my taxes go towards education for all those years I didn't have a kid of my own: a country where people are healthy is good for all of us.

I do mind paying for the healthcare of people who won't afford it. Yes, I know you think you're perfectly healthy/indestructible. You're not.
 
2012-10-04 10:51:01 AM  
Pretty sure Geithner doesn't and won't have anything to do with your insurance company, Obamacare or not.
 
2012-10-04 10:53:38 AM  

LarryDan43: You could elect a guy who is great at firing Americans and creating jobs in China.



Americans AND large birds.
 
2012-10-04 10:53:44 AM  

Arkanaut: Pretty sure Geithner doesn't and won't have anything to do with your insurance company, Obamacare or not.


Neither does the Surgeon General.
 
2012-10-04 10:53:57 AM  

JokerMattly:
/god, i hate the west side of Michigan.


Bell's, New Holland and Founders... They make up for it.
 
2012-10-04 10:54:08 AM  
Every problem in the country is the fault of someone else!
 
2012-10-04 10:54:40 AM  
They could have just gone with Michael Moore is fat therefore HCR is bad.
 
2012-10-04 10:55:18 AM  

homelessdude: Q) What the blank could possibly go wrong?
A) This thread.

With that much lead in editorializing why even leave it open for comments? Subby seems to have covered all the bases. Why even discuss?


We could discuss what a disingenuous twat subby is?
 
2012-10-04 10:55:38 AM  
I thought Obama quit smoking. WTF is that guy's problem?
 
2012-10-04 10:55:42 AM  
Obamacare isn't an insurance policy, you don't buy into it. The only difference i've seen before and after it passed is now I can't be dropped for pre existing conditions, I get a nice yearly refund, and somethings are now covered with no copay that were not before.
 
2012-10-04 10:56:03 AM  

Desquamation: JokerMattly:
/god, i hate the west side of Michigan.

Bell's, New Holland and Founders... They make up for it.


When you don't care for beer, no, they do not at all.
I have had someone, seriously, try to explain to me that the US economy collapsing with the banks would have been good because "people needing to fight to survive would make them appreciate life and God more"
 
2012-10-04 10:56:15 AM  
Wait, Obamacare is now available for purchase? Where? If it works, I'll take a dozen.
 
2012-10-04 10:57:07 AM  
"Buy ObamaCare"? What is this ObamaCare policy of which you speak? Who do I talk to to buy ObamaCare? Right now, I'm insured through Aetna and I'd much rather have a public insurer like I did back in Canada, so, come on, tell me who the fark I talk to about this ObamaCare policy.
 
2012-10-04 10:58:11 AM  
To catch a thief, and all that...
 
2012-10-04 10:58:44 AM  
FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD:So, we're forced to buy ObamaCare, which is signed by a president who smokes, ran by a treasury chief who didn't pay taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese and financed by a country that's broke. What the blank could possibly go wrong?

FTFY

/pathetic
 
2012-10-04 10:59:01 AM  
How many logical fallacies can I cram into one sentence?
 
2012-10-04 11:01:37 AM  

spiderpaz: Not having health insurance and getting seriously sicks seems much worse.


Or getting booted from your insurance coz now you have cancer and your insurance company doesn't want to pay for treatment.
Or being a twenty-something just getting into (or even OUT OF) college and you have to find your OWN insurance instead of being on your parents'.
Or having your premiums not necessarily going to treatments, but to payroll, "seminars," and other boons for industry professionals.

And so on.

Let's not forget that Robamneycare was originally proposed by THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION!!! But we wouldn't want to be bothered by inconvenient facts, now would we?

/that's directed at Fox and "conservatives," btw, not you

Kibbler: Rather than have a broke country finance it, we can just...*checks notes*...let them go to the emergency room.

/what conservatives actually believe


...Which costs more.
 
2012-10-04 11:03:00 AM  

JokerMattly: Desquamation: JokerMattly:
/god, i hate the west side of Michigan.

Bell's, New Holland and Founders... They make up for it.

When you don't care for beer, no, they do not at all.
I have had someone, seriously, try to explain to me that the US economy collapsing with the banks would have been good because "people needing to fight to survive would make them appreciate life and God more"


Well... New Holland makes some tasty gin.

/I feel your pain... I grew up in the thumb. It's like the west side except the people are even more rabidly right wing.
 
2012-10-04 11:03:18 AM  

Antimatter: I get a nice yearly refund


...if your insurance company doesn't spend up to 80% (or whatever it is) solely on paying for health care. I think it's great, actually.

/my insurance company met its requirement, so no refund for me. :/
 
2012-10-04 11:03:29 AM  
Obamacare isn't "ran" by a treasury chief, it is "run", and it isn't even run by a treasury chief. Also we don't have a treasury chief, stupidmitter.

Come back after a civics course, a grammar lesson and much, much less cognitive dissonance.
 
2012-10-04 11:05:22 AM  
As a Mormon, Mitt Romney does not smoke, drink booze, or drink coffee. This automatically makes him the ideal president.
 
2012-10-04 11:08:56 AM  
President Obama's smoking habits help to decide whether or not Obamacare will result in more people getting health care? Is he going around shotgunning Newports into people's mouths or something?
 
2012-10-04 11:10:01 AM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: Wait, Obamacare is now available for purchase? Where? If it works, I'll take a dozen.


The exchanges won't be completely set up untill 2014. But don't worry, you will get your chance.
 
2012-10-04 11:11:32 AM  
This by somebody who's such an effective doctor, she's running for public office.

Wait, is she a fake doctor, like a chiropractor?
 
2012-10-04 11:12:46 AM  

pxsteel: YoungSwedishBlonde: Wait, Obamacare is now available for purchase? Where? If it works, I'll take a dozen.

The exchanges won't be completely set up untill 2014. But don't worry, you will get your chance.


I thought that was for private insurance. What's this "Obamacare" we can all purchase that's run by our "Treasury Chief"?
 
2012-10-04 11:14:16 AM  
I"m "forced to buy Obamacare"? Huh, this is news.
 
2012-10-04 11:15:55 AM  
s10.postimage.org
 
2012-10-04 11:17:12 AM  

Epoch_Zero: FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD:So, we're forced to buy ObamaCare, which is signed by a president who smokes, ran by a treasury chief who didn't pay taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese and financed by a country that's broke. What the blank could possibly go wrong?

FTFY

/pathetic


It SEEMED like something was missing.
 
2012-10-04 11:19:19 AM  
See, comedians in politics. There's too much material for them not to use it.
Cute.
 
2012-10-04 11:22:31 AM  
Why not just continue to mooch off of my health insurance premiums by going to the ER and not paying the bill when you are sick ? I mean you could finance a Dodge Ram Dually for the cost of those health insurance premiums you are forced to buy
 
2012-10-04 11:38:31 AM  

LasersHurt: Every problem in the country is the fault of someone else!

Libbylib Commie Demnocrat Libturds!
 
2012-10-04 11:40:15 AM  
t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-04 11:43:54 AM  

indylaw: Oh hey, look, it's that bumper sticker again.


I know. I remember seeing this exact headline on here about what? A month ago? Maybe two?

Tell ya what, Fark. I'll catch it next month when this stupid comes around again. I'm busy.
 
2012-10-04 11:43:55 AM  

wax_on: A half decent plan could be was scuttled by republican obstructionist retards?

 
2012-10-04 11:44:19 AM  
All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.
 
2012-10-04 11:48:42 AM  

5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.


You make 400% of the poverty line and you're too poor to afford insurance?

You need to get a budget, man.
 
2012-10-04 11:49:58 AM  

pxsteel: YoungSwedishBlonde: Wait, Obamacare is now available for purchase? Where? If it works, I'll take a dozen.

The exchanges won't be completely set up untill 2014. But don't worry, you will get your chance.


Look how stupid you are.
 
2012-10-04 11:52:40 AM  
When I want somebody's opinion on the American health care system, the first person I ask is somebody that got their medical degree from Centro De Estudios Universitarios Xochicalco-Campus Ensenada, Escuela De Medicina and does everything possible to keep that a secret. Try to find it on her campaign website.

Bellar's Campaign Website Bio
 
2012-10-04 12:00:31 PM  

5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.


If you're too poor to afford insurance, you're too poor to be hit by the penalty. Go educate yourself and come back when you actually know what you're talking about.
 
2012-10-04 12:04:14 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.

You make 400% of the poverty line and you're too poor to afford insurance?

You need to get a budget, man.


Ok. I just ran the numbers because no, i do not make 400 percent above the poverty line. What i see is it will give me help, but not nearly enough to make it possible for me to afford it. It will be cheaper for me to pay the tax. When you are a single mom living check to check and struggling to make it work, you take the cheaper way out. I make literally 3 dollars a month too much to get insurance and food stamps in nj. The line is drawn somewhere, and it is always with my luck inches away from me.
 
2012-10-04 12:07:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.

You make 400% of the poverty line and you're too poor to afford insurance?

You need to get a budget, man.


But how is he going to keep buying dirt bikes and putting down a 12 pack every night if he spends his money on health insurance?

It's much easier to blame Beaners and Obama and keep spending money like a 15 year old.
 
2012-10-04 12:08:03 PM  

qorkfiend: 5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.

If you're too poor to afford insurance, you're too poor to be hit by the penalty. Go educate yourself and come back when you actually know what you're talking about.


Instead of snark, why do.t you educate me. I look and look and there is nothing bit confusing i.for out there. I make too much to get free insurance and what it looks lime is i will have to pay 3.5 percent towards insurance or pay a penalty. If that is the case, i don't have 3.5 percent to spend.
 
2012-10-04 12:08:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.

You make 400% of the poverty line and you're too poor to afford insurance?

You need to get a budget, man.


For reference.

In order to not qualify for assistance, an individual would have to make more than $44,680, a married couple $60,520, a married couple with 1 kid $76,360, and keep ratcheting it up about $16k per kid after that. That individual line corresponds to full-time work at about $21.50/hr. You should have insurance if you're making $21.50/hr.
 
2012-10-04 12:09:16 PM  

spiderpaz: cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.

You make 400% of the poverty line and you're too poor to afford insurance?

You need to get a budget, man.

But how is he going to keep buying dirt bikes and putting down a 12 pack every night if he spends his money on health insurance?

It's much easier to blame Beaners and Obama and keep spending money like a 15 year old.


Wow. Not even close
 
2012-10-04 12:12:20 PM  

thurstonxhowell: cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.

You make 400% of the poverty line and you're too poor to afford insurance?

You need to get a budget, man.

For reference.

In order to not qualify for assistance, an individual would have to make more than $44,680, a married couple $60,520, a married couple with 1 kid $76,360, and keep ratcheting it up about $16k per kid after that. That individual line corresponds to full-time work at about $21.50/hr. You should have insurance if you're making $21.50/hr.


I'm making right around that level and my company gives me insurance (single, no kids) for about $22 per check. One of the reasons I've stayed at my job as long as I have is because of that and a steady 4% or so raise every year
 
2012-10-04 12:13:03 PM  
We are forced to "buy OSHA", too.
 
2012-10-04 12:15:52 PM  

thurstonxhowell: cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.

You make 400% of the poverty line and you're too poor to afford insurance?

You need to get a budget, man.

For reference.

In order to not qualify for assistance, an individual would have to make more than $44,680, a married couple $60,520, a married couple with 1 kid $76,360, and keep ratcheting it up about $16k per kid after that. That individual line corresponds to full-time work at about $21.50/hr. You should have insurance if you're making $21.50/hr.


I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).
 
2012-10-04 12:19:14 PM  

5monkeys: I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).


If you budget the best you can, and you make at least $44k a year, perhaps you are living above your means.
 
2012-10-04 12:23:24 PM  

spiderpaz: cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.

You make 400% of the poverty line and you're too poor to afford insurance?

You need to get a budget, man.

But how is he going to keep buying dirt bikes and putting down a 12 pack every night if he spends his money on health insurance?

It's much easier to blame Beaners and Obama and keep spending money like a 15 year old.


Wow, assume much? Why the projected racist comment? I didn't see anything in the original post that seemed the least bit racist...

And why go half-cocked? Shouldn't you have used "Farbongo" instead?
 
2012-10-04 12:24:49 PM  

Antimatter: Obamacare isn't an insurance policy, you don't buy into it. The only difference i've seen before and after it passed is now I can't be dropped for pre existing conditions, I get a nice yearly refund, and somethings are now covered with no copay that were not before.


Interesting thing about that refund... I just called my insurance company (started the job and coverage a year ago, subsidiary of Aetna) and requested a report detailing the administrative costs because I didn't get a refund. I was told that I was in a "grandfathered" plan and the Health Care Reform cost overrun refund doesn't apply to it, and they are sending me a letter explaining why the law does not apply to me. This is one of those insurance companies that makes you pay full price at the pharmacy and you have to submit claims and hope for reimbursement, or in other words, they do everything they think they can get away with to not pay out (well, moreso than the average decent plan). Anybody have any experience with this?
 
2012-10-04 12:28:34 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Antimatter: Obamacare isn't an insurance policy, you don't buy into it. The only difference i've seen before and after it passed is now I can't be dropped for pre existing conditions, I get a nice yearly refund, and somethings are now covered with no copay that were not before.

Interesting thing about that refund... I just called my insurance company (started the job and coverage a year ago, subsidiary of Aetna) and requested a report detailing the administrative costs because I didn't get a refund. I was told that I was in a "grandfathered" plan and the Health Care Reform cost overrun refund doesn't apply to it, and they are sending me a letter explaining why the law does not apply to me. This is one of those insurance companies that makes you pay full price at the pharmacy and you have to submit claims and hope for reimbursement, or in other words, they do everything they think they can get away with to not pay out (well, moreso than the average decent plan). Anybody have any experience with this?


If you have a lawyer friend, I'd recommend having them look at the letter. That sounds pretty shady to me.
 
2012-10-04 12:28:41 PM  

5monkeys: I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).


3% would wind up being just a hair over $50/month. Having insurance should save you nearly that much in medical costs.
 
2012-10-04 12:29:03 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).

If you budget the best you can, and you make at least $44k a year, perhaps you are living above your means.


I don't. I make 42,000 a year for a family of 6. That's myself and 5 kids. I live in nj which is ridiculously overpriced, and can't move. If i lived down south i would have more money left over. According to the chart i am 10 bucks above the 133 percent poverty line and would have to pay 100 bucks a month towards insurance. I don't have that. I pay all my bills and take care of my kids without government assistance. I live right at the line of where my money allows it.
 
2012-10-04 12:30:01 PM  

5monkeys: I make 42,000 a year for a family of 6.


Scratch my last comment, I assumed 1 kid.
 
2012-10-04 12:31:02 PM  

5monkeys: I don't. I make 42,000 a year for a family of 6. That's myself and 5 kids. I live in nj which is ridiculously overpriced, and can't move. If i lived down south i would have more money left over. According to the chart i am 10 bucks above the 133 percent poverty line and would have to pay 100 bucks a month towards insurance. I don't have that. I pay all my bills and take care of my kids without government assistance. I live right at the line of where my money allows it.


Having insurance with 6 kids should save you at least $100/month. Don't you ever bring them to a doctor?
 
2012-10-04 12:31:10 PM  

retarded: Obamacare isn't "ran" by a treasury chief, it is "run", and it isn't even run by a treasury chief. Also we don't have a treasury chief, stupidmitter.

Come back after a civics course, a grammar lesson and much, much less cognitive dissonance.


Came here to say this about the grammar. Thank you.
 
2012-10-04 12:31:35 PM  

5monkeys: cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).

If you budget the best you can, and you make at least $44k a year, perhaps you are living above your means.

I don't. I make 42,000 a year for a family of 6. That's myself and 5 kids. I live in nj which is ridiculously overpriced, and can't move. If i lived down south i would have more money left over. According to the chart i am 10 bucks above the 133 percent poverty line and would have to pay 100 bucks a month towards insurance. I don't have that. I pay all my bills and take care of my kids without government assistance. I live right at the line of where my money allows it.


You're paying out of pocket for the health care expenses of 5 kids, and you're worried that insurance will be too costly?
 
2012-10-04 12:31:51 PM  
 
2012-10-04 12:33:04 PM  
Summary:

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2012-10-04 12:33:13 PM  

thurstonxhowell: 5monkeys: I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).

3% would wind up being just a hair over $50/month. Having insurance should save you nearly that much in medical costs.


I don't go to the Dr. Why? I can't afford to. My kids have insurance through my ex. I don't have 50 bucks a month left over. I just don't. If i trim the expenses anymore... Look, I don't see a benefit for me from this. I don't know how government stepping in and putting one more bill in my pile helps me. I just don't.
 
2012-10-04 12:34:22 PM  

5monkeys: I don't go to the Dr. Why? I can't afford to


If you can't afford going, wait until something starts to go wrong and you see what not going costs.
 
2012-10-04 12:34:24 PM  

qorkfiend: 5monkeys: cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).

If you budget the best you can, and you make at least $44k a year, perhaps you are living above your means.

I don't. I make 42,000 a year for a family of 6. That's myself and 5 kids. I live in nj which is ridiculously overpriced, and can't move. If i lived down south i would have more money left over. According to the chart i am 10 bucks above the 133 percent poverty line and would have to pay 100 bucks a month towards insurance. I don't have that. I pay all my bills and take care of my kids without government assistance. I live right at the line of where my money allows it.

You're paying out of pocket for the health care expenses of 5 kids, and you're worried that insurance will be too costly?


They have it. I don't.
 
2012-10-04 12:35:46 PM  

thurstonxhowell: 5monkeys: I don't go to the Dr. Why? I can't afford to

If you can't afford going, wait until something starts to go wrong and you see what not going costs.


I understand that. I really do. But you can't bleed a stone.
 
2012-10-04 12:36:22 PM  

5monkeys: thurstonxhowell: cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.

You make 400% of the poverty line and you're too poor to afford insurance?

You need to get a budget, man.

For reference.

In order to not qualify for assistance, an individual would have to make more than $44,680, a married couple $60,520, a married couple with 1 kid $76,360, and keep ratcheting it up about $16k per kid after that. That individual line corresponds to full-time work at about $21.50/hr. You should have insurance if you're making $21.50/hr.

I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).


Only if you take the benchmark plan. If you get a cheaper plan, you'll pay less.

Here's the example from the IRS:

Example 2: Family of Four with Income of $50,000, Purchases Less Expensive Plan
If a family chooses a plan that is less expensive than the benchmark plan, the family will generally pay less, thereby creating an incentive to choose a less costly plan and reducing overall health care costs.
• Income as a Percentage of FPL 224%
• Expected Family Contribution: $3,570
• Premium for Benchmark Plan: $9,000
• Premium Tax Credit: $5,430 ($9,000 - $3,570)
• Premium for Plan Family Chooses: $7,500
• Actual Family Contribution: $2,070 ($7,500 - $5,430)

I'm going to create an example using $30K
Income as a percentage of FPL: $133%
Expected Family Contribution: $900
Premium for Benchmark Plan: $9000
Premium Tax Credit: $8100
Premium for Plan Family Chooses: $8100
Actual Family Contribution: $0

And this is before CHIP, which I'm assuming will be changed to help out.
 
2012-10-04 12:37:05 PM  

5monkeys: thurstonxhowell: 5monkeys: I don't go to the Dr. Why? I can't afford to

If you can't afford going, wait until something starts to go wrong and you see what not going costs.

I understand that. I really do. But you can't bleed a stone.


That's why the bill contains various provisions for assistance, based on the cost of the plans as a percentage of your income. It's not a hard cutoff at the 133% line. Like I said, do some reasearch.
 
2012-10-04 12:37:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Antimatter: Obamacare isn't an insurance policy, you don't buy into it. The only difference i've seen before and after it passed is now I can't be dropped for pre existing conditions, I get a nice yearly refund, and somethings are now covered with no copay that were not before.

Interesting thing about that refund... I just called my insurance company (started the job and coverage a year ago, subsidiary of Aetna) and requested a report detailing the administrative costs because I didn't get a refund. I was told that I was in a "grandfathered" plan and the Health Care Reform cost overrun refund doesn't apply to it, and they are sending me a letter explaining why the law does not apply to me. This is one of those insurance companies that makes you pay full price at the pharmacy and you have to submit claims and hope for reimbursement, or in other words, they do everything they think they can get away with to not pay out (well, moreso than the average decent plan). Anybody have any experience with this?

If you have a lawyer friend, I'd recommend having them look at the letter. That sounds pretty shady to me.


You wanna hear shady? How does $65/week for coverage that hit the annual max during a kidney stone removal? Ugh.
 
2012-10-04 12:39:30 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: You wanna hear shady? How does $65/week for coverage that hit the annual max during a kidney stone removal? Ugh.


How convenient. Is it lifetime caps or annual caps that are removed by Obamacare? Maybe both?
 
2012-10-04 12:40:06 PM  
Actually, with the information you just gave:

I'm going to create an example using $12K
Income as a percentage of FPL: $133%
Expected Family Contribution: $1260
Premium for Benchmark Plan: $9000
Premium Tax Credit: $7740
Premium for Plan Family Chooses: $7740
Actual Family Contribution: $0

CHIP won't apply if your kids already have insurance.
 
2012-10-04 12:41:03 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: 5monkeys: thurstonxhowell: cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.

You make 400% of the poverty line and you're too poor to afford insurance?

You need to get a budget, man.

For reference.

In order to not qualify for assistance, an individual would have to make more than $44,680, a married couple $60,520, a married couple with 1 kid $76,360, and keep ratcheting it up about $16k per kid after that. That individual line corresponds to full-time work at about $21.50/hr. You should have insurance if you're making $21.50/hr.

I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).

Only if you take the benchmark plan. If you get a cheaper plan, you'll pay less.

Here's the example from the IRS:

Example 2: Family of Four with Income of $50,000, Purchases Less Expensive Plan
If a family chooses a plan that is less expensive than the benchmark plan, the family will generally pay less, thereby creating an incentive to choose a less costly plan and reducing overall health care costs.
• Income as a Percentage of FPL 224%
• Expected Family Contribution: $3,570
• Premium for Benchmark Plan: $9,000
• Premium Tax Credit: $5,430 ($9,000 - $3,570)
• Premium for Plan Family Chooses: $7,500
• Actual Family Contribution: $2,070 ($7,500 - $5,430)

I'm going to create an example using $30K
Income as a percentage of FPL: $133%
Expected Family Contribution: $900
Premium for Benchmark Plan: $9000
Premium Tax Credit: $8100
Premium for Plan Family Chooses: $8100
Actual Family Contribution: $0

And this is before CHIP, which I'm assuming will be changed to help out.


Ok. I am sure i am going to be ripped apart for being dense but, do i have to pay for it then get reimbursed? i wish it wasn't so complicated. I am trying to understand the way it would work, where i would go to get it, and all the other details. As long as i don't have to find cash that doesn't exist i will be happy.
 
2012-10-04 12:41:04 PM  

5monkeys: I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).


Ask your boss to cut your pay by $11.
 
2012-10-04 12:44:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: You wanna hear shady? How does $65/week for coverage that hit the annual max during a kidney stone removal? Ugh.

How convenient. Is it lifetime caps or annual caps that are removed by Obamacare? Maybe both?


I have only heard of the lifetime one, but hopefully someone else in here will chime in.
 
2012-10-04 12:53:03 PM  
That headline is so riddled with such amazingly poor logic it belongs in the LSAT logical reasoning section.
 
2012-10-04 12:53:19 PM  

NetOwl: 5monkeys: I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).

Ask your boss to cut your pay by $11.


And then blame Obama for the pay cut.
 
2012-10-04 01:03:10 PM  
Ok. I am sure i am going to be ripped apart for being dense but, do i have to pay for it then get reimbursed? i wish it wasn't so complicated. I am trying to understand the way it would work, where i would go to get it, and all the other details. As long as i don't have to find cash that doesn't exist i will be happy.

I don't think anybody knows. There will be millions of people in the same boat, so I have to think either the government or the insurers will make sure that you don't have to pay cash in advance.

You should be able to get below-average insurance for nothing under Obamacare. It's, well, better than nothing.
 
2012-10-04 01:08:26 PM  
In summary:

Obamacare will
1) Smoke bath salts and eat your face.
2) Take your mother out for a nice seafood dinner and never call her again.
3) Make you do anal with Big Bird.
 
2012-10-04 01:44:28 PM  
I suppose subby doesn't realize that 'Obamacare' isn't something he actually buys.
 
2012-10-04 01:52:48 PM  
I don't care how many degrees you have, once you come down with a case of the teabags, you're functionally retarded.
 
2012-10-04 02:00:47 PM  
I would like a half order of FDA and three NTSBs with my Obamacare, please.
 
2012-10-04 02:06:06 PM  

Citrate1007: Obamacare is not an insurance policy.....you have to buy insurance of your choice and new rules limiting how much said insurance companies can fark you over are in place.


Nope. Still can't purchase the "insurance" that I want.

/And by "insurance" I mean "bump everyone's taxes up a percent or two and let the government handle it."
//Because communism.
 
2012-10-04 02:07:56 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: I wonder how many people look at their bank accounts and say to themselves, "I have nothing to worry about. I can TOTALLY afford to have cancer."


...if it's the choice between paying for insurance or putting food on your family's table, people choose food every time. Because the cancer can't kill you 10 years from now if you die of starvation.
 
2012-10-04 02:12:20 PM  

spiderpaz: cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.

You make 400% of the poverty line and you're too poor to afford insurance?

You need to get a budget, man.

But how is he going to keep buying dirt bikes and putting down a 12 pack every night if he spends his money on health insurance?

It's much easier to blame Beaners and Obama and keep spending money like a 15 year old.


...this, right here, is the reason why we can't have nice things.

/Remember kiddies: Everyone who wants to get money from the EEEEEEEEEEEBIL gubmint is a lazy lout who doesn't deserve anything.
//And when we foot the bill for their medical costs anyways, we can blame 'em twice!
 
2012-10-04 02:17:09 PM  

spiderpaz: Actually 30 million people without insurance getting seriously sick (because they couldn't go to the doctor when they were only a little sick) and winding up at the emergency room, not paying, and leaving the tax payers with the people seems much MUCH worse!


About a week ago, I went to my doctor because I knew something wasn't right and hadn't been for a while I ignored it last year because I was laid off and even a quick Dr.'s visit with basic diagnostic tests would have cost me about $700. This year when I started working, I resolved to get it checked out instead of making myself crazy on Web MD

Long story short, given the diagnosis I got, I am unbelieveably greatful that Obamacare passed. Whether it really is for me or not, the condition is considered a chronic one, which means that, until the ACA passed, had I been diagnosed and then was jobless for more that two months I would have been screwed because an ins co. could simply refuse me coverage for a whole host of illnesses on the grounds they were related to a "pre-existing condition".

With medication and bit of a lifestyle change I'll be fine (and the meds are dirt cheap); but had it not been caught soon, it could have caused any number of extremely expensive (and possibly fatal) complications
 
2012-10-04 02:29:34 PM  

Cyberluddite: As a Mormon, Mitt Romney does not smoke, drink booze, or drink coffee. This automatically makes him the ideal president.


Do you really want a President who gets woken up at 3:00am with a crisis who refuses caffeine???
 
2012-10-04 02:46:30 PM  
Also, on the headline: So you want to give the Presidency over to someone who wants to run governments like he runs businesses: That is, of course, take it over, use its good name to make himsself billions, then discard it when its name is so tarnished that he doesn't earn a profit anymore?
 
2012-10-04 02:51:16 PM  

5monkeys: thurstonxhowell: cameroncrazy1984: 5monkeys: All i know is that i am too poor to afford insurance, too rich to get help paying for it and will soon have to pay a tax and still not have insurance. That sucks.

You make 400% of the poverty line and you're too poor to afford insurance?

You need to get a budget, man.

For reference.

In order to not qualify for assistance, an individual would have to make more than $44,680, a married couple $60,520, a married couple with 1 kid $76,360, and keep ratcheting it up about $16k per kid after that. That individual line corresponds to full-time work at about $21.50/hr. You should have insurance if you're making $21.50/hr.

I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).


or you could make an $11.00 donation to a charity of your choosing, take the deduction and then STFU
 
2012-10-04 03:51:59 PM  
HotWingConspiracy


I don't care how many degrees you have, once you come down with a case of the teabags, you're functionally retarded.



So says the functionally retarded dimwit
 
2012-10-04 04:04:43 PM  

Cyberluddite: As a Mormon, Mitt Romney does not smoke, drink booze, or drink coffee. This automatically makes him the ideal president.


"A man with few vices has few virtues." - REPUBLICAN Abraham Lincoln
 
2012-10-04 04:06:45 PM  
And Republicans want to elect a guy who creates jobs by closing companies and firing everyone, sends jobs overseas and supports education by shutting down PBS?
 
2012-10-04 04:11:04 PM  

Cyberluddite: As a Mormon, Mitt Romney does not smoke, drink booze, or drink coffee. This automatically makes him the ideal president.


So does that half-wit selling bibles door to door.
 
2012-10-05 10:27:51 AM  

5monkeys: thurstonxhowell: 5monkeys: I just looked up my level. I make 10 dollars a year above the 133% line. I still have to pay 3 percent at that point, right? i don't have that. I'm sorry if people can't understand that but it is true. I am what you call broke. I budget the best i can. I don't spend money on things like dirt bikes or beer like others have suggested. Food, diapers, heat, rent and gas (which is killing my budget by going up and up).

3% would wind up being just a hair over $50/month. Having insurance should save you nearly that much in medical costs.

I don't go to the Dr. Why? I can't afford to. My kids have insurance through my ex. I don't have 50 bucks a month left over. I just don't. If i trim the expenses anymore... Look, I don't see a benefit for me from this. I don't know how government stepping in and putting one more bill in my pile helps me. I just don't.


Actually, I don't doubt this is true for a set of folks out there. That was the reason that many of us preferred a public option for insurance that would try to fill that final gap in coverage for folks.

ObamaCare is what you get when you try to help as many people as possible while still having to face the reality of needing 60 votes in the Senate, a Senate where even many Democrats won't rock the insurance-medical industry oligopoly.

Obama tried to fill the gap by subsidizing an expansion of Medicaid and many GOP-dominated states are refusing to go along, which serves a political purpose of leaving people off the coverage plans but unable to pay for private coverage and therefore facing the fine. (Assuming you don't qualify for a waiver.)

We have ObamaCare because we couldn't get a better deal for more people. There's a reason Clinton didn't jump on the idea in the 90s...he thought maybe rationality would prevail. Obama realized that this was...unlikely...and took what was do-able.

It's a reason to keep pushing for a better plan, not to scrap a plan that will help millions.
 
2012-10-05 05:22:07 PM  
All this frustrates me. The only doctor I've seen in 10 years was a Chiropractor, then another a few years before that. I haven't even had a tetanus shot since 1988. (I know, stupid.) I can get that at Safeway for 50.00. (Because I was looking into getting a booster.) I just don't go see doctors.

I have not been a tax on the medical system at all. And when the coronary hits, I doubt I'll make it to a hospital.
I am a red shirt.
Why should I have to pay tribute to the insurance corporation god?

Seriously, I would not mind paying more in tax for community health services. (Hell, I just might make it to the hospital.) I just have a serious problem with being told to "buy insurance" or get penalized. It's as wrong as the Citizens vs. United decision.
 
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