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(Slate)   Spin Class: What Democrats look like when they lose   (slate.com) divider line 84
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2012-10-04 10:17:07 AM
10 votes:
And all you had to do to win the debate was contradict every single thing you've said for the past six months thirty years and relentlessly lie about your own policies and those of your opponent.
2012-10-04 01:38:29 PM
5 votes:
I can't continue reading this thread.

i.imgur.com
2012-10-04 10:54:56 AM
4 votes:
Whoever said that the Obama campaign was running the prevent defense had it right. I said before the debate that Obama just needed to sit back and avoid saying something that could be manipulated by the Romney campaign ("You didn't build that"), but I don't think I or Obama saw Romney coming out the way he did and just bulldozing over the whole debate.
2012-10-04 01:22:11 PM
3 votes:
Here's what I see as the biggest challenge for Romney: Both he and the president will be judged at the next two debates based on last night's performance. Romney had a great night, but now if he doesn't do at least as well in the next debate he'll be seen as having lost. And all Obama has to do is be a bit more forceful and he'll be declared the winner.

Remember, the media wants a horse race and Obama will be going into the next debate as the underdog. If he shows a bit more fire and calls Romney out on his lies he can easily come across as the winner. In order for Romney to win he'll have to top last night's performance, which means doubling down on the aggressiveness without coming across as angry, defensive, petulant, or bullying. I thought he already crossed the line last night into bullying on more than one occasion, and he'll have to top his performance in the next two debates.

Overall, I think Romney won last night but Obama may be better positioned to win in the long run. The expectations will just be too high for Romney.
2012-10-04 12:41:29 PM
3 votes:

Brick-House: For all the libtards out there, take as many as you like complements of Obamacare. Might as well use it while you can as it won't be around for much longer.

[dietpillstruth.org image 450x299]


Screenshot taken. After Obama's reelection I'm going to attach it to every post you make to remind you and Fark of your stupidity, granted you don't make another alt account out of shame.
2012-10-04 11:43:58 AM
3 votes:

Kazan: MaudlinMutantMollusk: //and why the hell he didn't call out Romney for his repeated lies still puzzles me

because often calling out someone for their dishonesty is a waste of time - their supporters will eat up the lies like popcorn, your supporters know their lies, and the neutrals are likely to listen to fact checkers.


Also, accusing someone of lying can make you look desperate, and allows Romney to say that the President has no ideas of his own and is falling back on ad hominem.

It is EXTREMELY difficult to debate someone who does so in bad faith and with a smile.
2012-10-04 11:20:56 AM
3 votes:

brigid_fitch: Kazan: DamnYankees: Nothing to spin - Obama got beat, badly. Just have to hope the political scientists are right and it won't hurt him too much.

i haven't gotten to watch it yet .. dvr was asking up and recorded the 9pm PT replay ... did he really have an off night, or is this crap i'm seeing claiming romney did better on multiple sources just trollage?

No, it's not trollage. Romney did way better than anyone expected and Obama looked like he was struggling. However, there wad nothing of substance to Romney's debate--everything was either outright lies ($716B stolen from Medicare! Death Panels!) or the same garbage he's been spouting for months ("I'm going to repeal everything you've passed and replace it with something almost identical that will be better and cheaper, but I'm not going to supply details!")

Why Obama didn't call him on his BS is beyond me. Obama spent most of his time telling anecdotes about people he'd met along the campaign trail than anything else. He was definitely off his game.


so basically he wasn't full of his typical vim, and romney was lying faster than you could fact check?
2012-10-04 10:53:35 AM
3 votes:
Nate Silver's has dropped President Obama's chances of re-election down to 96.7%,

Panic.

Look Cons, I'll admit it sucked to watch Obama not deliver last night. I wish he had called Romney out on all his blatant lies, and I wish he was more forceful.

Go ahead- have your moment. We'll talk after the foreign policy debate when Obama points out that he took out Bin Laden and Romney actually farked up a trip to London.
2012-10-04 10:49:26 AM
3 votes:

Kazan: DamnYankees: Nothing to spin - Obama got beat, badly. Just have to hope the political scientists are right and it won't hurt him too much.

i haven't gotten to watch it yet .. dvr was asking up and recorded the 9pm PT replay ... did he really have an off night, or is this crap i'm seeing claiming romney did better on multiple sources just trollage?


No, it's not trollage. Romney did way better than anyone expected and Obama looked like he was struggling. However, there wad nothing of substance to Romney's debate--everything was either outright lies ($716B stolen from Medicare! Death Panels!) or the same garbage he's been spouting for months ("I'm going to repeal everything you've passed and replace it with something almost identical that will be better and cheaper, but I'm not going to supply details!")

Why Obama didn't call him on his BS is beyond me. Obama spent most of his time telling anecdotes about people he'd met along the campaign trail than anything else. He was definitely off his game.
2012-10-04 10:22:28 AM
3 votes:
Nothing to spin - Obama got beat, badly. Just have to hope the political scientists are right and it won't hurt him too much.
2012-10-04 03:11:01 PM
2 votes:
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2012-10-04 03:09:45 PM
2 votes:
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2012-10-04 01:46:46 PM
2 votes:
24.media.tumblr.com 

Snatched from the Wheaton's blog

http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/32880237374/upworthy-yeah-just-kidd i ng-the-only-people
2012-10-04 01:27:10 PM
2 votes:
I like how the article starts off by quoting the Dems acknowledging the loss, that right there is a country mile ahead of the GOP. Even if Romney stripped naked and took a dump on stage, the GOP would still claim victory.

So, score one for humility and reason. Besides, the only reason people are surprised that the incumbent didn't win is because Obama's such a kick ass public speaker. The incumbent should lose the debates IMO. He should be a bit too busy running the free world to practice arguing with Mittens.

Not that bad of a debate, though my drinking game sucked. And when Romney smirks he embodies every smart-ass trust fund frat boy in the universe. I ordered him a cubic ton of cockpunches, COD.
2012-10-04 12:54:02 PM
2 votes:
The debate was so shiatty that everyone can pretty much see in it what they WANT to see. Romney only won in the sense that he didn't get stomped on as expected. But both candidates were "meh" and Lehrer mostly just sat there stuttering and pissing himself while they bullied him. Obama wasn't bloodthirsty enough, and Romney was certainly aggressive enough but to be so he had to just spontaneously change his positions and stick to his usual unsubstantive bullshiat. The few times Romney dis get specific he was pushing logical impossibilities.

In the end it was a lousy debate between two oligarchs spouting scripts and walking all over the little biatch of a moderator. Nobody won, America just lost.
2012-10-04 12:52:09 PM
2 votes:
You know what today reminds me of? It's like watching a football game, it's late in the 4th quarter, and one team is up by two scores. The team in the lead has the ball and they're running it. Every play is a run. At one point, a defensive end breaks into the backfield and stops the running back for a 4 yard loss.

Today is that defensive player's celebration dance.

/I have a feeling we might see some play action sometime in the next couple of downs
2012-10-04 12:42:29 PM
2 votes:
i75.photobucket.com

Even winning isn't enough, they have to prance and dance about it.

Yet they call everyone else smug, because they are the party of projection.
2012-10-04 12:33:37 PM
2 votes:
Of the many odd things Romney said last night, can someone explain to me how 3% of small busines owners produce 50% of the jobs? Doesn't that make them "big business owners"?
Bf+
2012-10-04 12:33:19 PM
2 votes:
media1.policymic.com
2012-10-04 12:25:45 PM
2 votes:

brigid_fitch: No, it's not trollage. Romney did way better than anyone expected and Obama looked like he was struggling. However, there wad nothing of substance to Romney's debate--everything was either outright lies ($716B stolen from Medicare! Death Panels!) or the same garbage he's been spouting for months ("I'm going to repeal everything you've passed and replace it with something almost identical that will be better and cheaper, but I'm not going to supply details!")
Why Obama didn't call him on his BS is beyond me. Obama spent most of his time telling anecdotes about people he'd met along the campaign trail than anything else. He was definitely off his game.


I actually started wondering if he did it on purpose. Remember how good Obama is at manipulating people, at getting the last zinger in? I wonder if he kind of let everything go, let Romney get his "victory" (which wasn't as clear to me as it seems to be to others, since I sort of like the truth), and he's going to slam him in the other debates. Romney gave all he had last night. If Obama brings something different to the next debates and starts going after him next time--maybe even throwing back some of his exact words from the first debate--Romney is going to be thrown. And he's going to lose it.
2012-10-04 12:25:40 PM
2 votes:
Yeah, awful lot of spinning going on, that's for sure...

Meanwhile, here's what Republicans look like today:

Ping Pong point celebration
2012-10-04 12:19:17 PM
2 votes:
LOL. The Republican candidate just contradicted every single thing he's stood for this entire campaign -- completely betraying all of the Republican voters who have supported him until now.

The only person who is spinning is Mitt on the issues. Enjoy this little taste of "victory," though. In a few weeks Etch-A-Sketch will be a footnote.
2012-10-04 12:17:14 PM
2 votes:
The foreign policy debate:

Obama: Thanks to my embracing intelligence gathered through torture, I successfully ordered the assassination of an unarmed man in front of his family while violating the territory of a nation that never attacked us, all the while taking credit for my predecessor's scheduled withdrawal from Iraq.


Romney: I won't sponsor sub-saharan african genocide in Libya and then let our Ambassador be assassinated by Al-Qaeda while blaming free speech and the 1st Amendment.
2012-10-04 11:40:33 AM
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: //and why the hell he didn't call out Romney for his repeated lies still puzzles me


because often calling out someone for their dishonesty is a waste of time - their supporters will eat up the lies like popcorn, your supporters know their lies, and the neutrals are likely to listen to fact checkers.
2012-10-04 11:25:30 AM
2 votes:

Kazan: brigid_fitch: Kazan: DamnYankees: Nothing to spin - Obama got beat, badly. Just have to hope the political scientists are right and it won't hurt him too much.

i haven't gotten to watch it yet .. dvr was asking up and recorded the 9pm PT replay ... did he really have an off night, or is this crap i'm seeing claiming romney did better on multiple sources just trollage?

No, it's not trollage. Romney did way better than anyone expected and Obama looked like he was struggling. However, there wad nothing of substance to Romney's debate--everything was either outright lies ($716B stolen from Medicare! Death Panels!) or the same garbage he's been spouting for months ("I'm going to repeal everything you've passed and replace it with something almost identical that will be better and cheaper, but I'm not going to supply details!")

Why Obama didn't call him on his BS is beyond me. Obama spent most of his time telling anecdotes about people he'd met along the campaign trail than anything else. He was definitely off his game.

so basically he wasn't full of his typical vim, and romney was lying faster than you could fact check?


I think that sums it up nicely

/Obama just seemed flat
//and why the hell he didn't call out Romney for his repeated lies still puzzles me
2012-10-04 10:47:13 AM
2 votes:

Kazan: DamnYankees: Nothing to spin - Obama got beat, badly. Just have to hope the political scientists are right and it won't hurt him too much.

i haven't gotten to watch it yet .. dvr was asking up and recorded the 9pm PT replay ... did he really have an off night, or is this crap i'm seeing claiming romney did better on multiple sources just trollage?


He was terrible and Romney was great (if you ignore substance and just focus on preentation). Obama clearly, CLEARLY did not want to be there, either because of his anniversary or Turkey/Syria or whatever. The President was terrible.
2012-10-04 10:29:21 AM
2 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Keep sucking each others dicks, Republicans.


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2012-10-04 05:44:52 PM
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: Mrtraveler01: armoredbulldozer: When you get old, a board of unelected bureaucrats decide what level care you get.

Nope

Link

Thanks for backing me up.


You didn't read the link did you?
2012-10-04 05:37:06 PM
1 votes:

nyseattitude: Headso: By the posts in these threads today moving to the center hasn't hurt Romney with his base, the republicans are out here in force cheering for their guy. His timing on moving to the center was apparently well done maybe moving too soon would have set them off but waiting until he was floundering has them not giving a shiat, they are just super happy right now.

It's the first thing they have had to be happy about in quite a while.


yeah, along with most of the country. not like obama's bringing the good news much
2012-10-04 04:35:55 PM
1 votes:

Orange-Pippin: I wondered that myself. The real kicker was When Romney said quote, "You have added to the debt more than all the other presidents combined" -- an out and out lie. But, seriously, how do you respond to someone who looks you right in the face and makes things up?


That's a fight that would have made Obama look bad to engage in, because in the end, there really is a whole lot of debt. Lots of people simply can't understand why that happened, so they simply pick a scapegoat with the most power and scream "it's all HIS fawlt!"

Trying to explain the global recession's effect on the government's revenue stream to the general population would just have them repelled from your intellectual 'elitism' and embracing the other sides empty promises to somehow fix it.
2012-10-04 03:58:07 PM
1 votes:

nevirus: I thought it was well known that Romney had to come out swinging and swinging hard, while Obama just had to keep cool and avoid making a big mistake. And that Romney was going to be the winner so long as he didn't set his own hair on fire.

Unfortunately, though, Obama looked nervous/shakey in the beginning and kinda fumbled his closing statement. He hit his groove during the middle of the debate, seeming cool, calm, and collect while Romney was desperately working for the last word, seemingly almost defensive, sparring with the moderator all the time. But Romney was on his speaking game better than Obama, so in that metric, he won.

Now that the first debate is on the books, Obama knows 'where' Romney stands. Romney essentially ditched everything he's been saying over the entire campaign for a brand-new policy direction appealing to moderates. Now that that's where Romney staked his flag, Obama can respond. How can you hammer someone's ideas when they suddenly change them like Romney did? One thing Obama was smart not to do was get overtly defensive, IMO.

Yes, this is the way things are, but what is your plan to fix it? Where is it? You can hammer me all night long, but what will YOU do differently? Romney put nothing out there.

The way it stands now is Obama has his policy ideas that hes laid out over the years while Romney wants to "repeal and replace" everything... but with no ideas on the "replace" portion of that plan. Romney was all attack, no substance.

/unfortunately this country is more interested in watching a petty fight than a debate about ideas
//good ol' 24/7 angry political media 
/my 2cent


You realize that the next debate will have a completely different topic, rigjt? Last night was the time for Obama to address what Mitt said, not "next time".

I think America got to see how Obama thinks on his feet. Not Reading a teleprompter, and not giving some feel good speech, but being asked to discuss policy and his plan.

He didn't do it. He stood there looking down at his hands and couldn't string togethor a coherent thought.

Regardless what Mitt said, Obama couldn't muster an answer. Now the libs are spinnging it as some super strategey, or that Mitt lied sooooooo much It was not humanly possible for Obama to contradict him. But next time! ohhhhh just wait next time he'll get him.

I wasn't some super genius strategy.

If if quacks like a duck, walks like a duck...then it's a duck.

/and by "duck" I mean "underqualifed empty shirt community organizer, amature flop"
2012-10-04 03:50:18 PM
1 votes:
Be sure and take good notes, Rape-ublicans, because you're going to need them come November 7th.

Running on a two prong ticket of war with Iran and subjugating women is not a plan for success.
2012-10-04 03:26:33 PM
1 votes:

Brick-House: Altitude5280: Ok so let Fox, Free Republic, Town Hall etc have their circle jerk today. Romney has basicity been debating for a year now. It showed. I doubt Romney will budge in the polls and the next debate is a town hall. Obama will OWN that one.

So, he will be allowed to use a teleprompter?



Sure he could borrow one from GHW Bush.

blogs.e-rockford.com

or his son's

3.bp.blogspot.com

maybe Romney's

www.toledoblade.com

or perhaps Palins

littlegreenfootballs.com

maybe he can uses Reagan's old school one (he doesn't need it any more)

images2.dailykos.com

if not, he's got newer ones

2.bp.blogspot.com
2012-10-04 03:20:49 PM
1 votes:
l3.yimg.com

I can see why Fark Cons are so happy today. 

intrade
2012-10-04 03:17:14 PM
1 votes:
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2012-10-04 03:13:28 PM
1 votes:
Obama should just go to the foreign policy debate and claim to have already ended the war in Afghanistan, paid off Chinese held debt, and solved the European debt crisis. I mean, if bald faced lying works so well for Mitt, why not try it?
2012-10-04 03:08:14 PM
1 votes:
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2012-10-04 03:07:24 PM
1 votes:
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2012-10-04 03:06:16 PM
1 votes:
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2012-10-04 02:37:43 PM
1 votes:

NateGrey: cman: Ok, I will give you that one. There is one thing that even you cannot ignore: the left says that no matter what if Mitt ROmney is elected we will be in a war with Iran. They hold onto this belief and use it to call Mitt a boogey man. They are saying that voting for Obama is a vote against a war with Iran.

Citation?


Well, I say it, for a couple reasons. One, Mitt Romney's foreign policy team is comprised entirely of neoconservative war hawks, and their public statements clearly indicate a desire for another reshaping war in the Middle East. Second, Mitt Romney has a tight association with the conservative war party in Israel who have been talking about air strikes and other military actions for months, and they would probably be even bolder should Mitt Romney become president.
2012-10-04 02:31:23 PM
1 votes:
I'm wondering if Obama was distracted because of the 3am phone call about Syria bombing Turkey, a member of NATO, and wonder how long before we get dragged in the Syria quagmire when Turkey makes that call into NATO headquarters asking for military assistance.

Either that or he's just trolling because all last night did was make Romney look even more like a pompous ass the normally.
2012-10-04 02:24:50 PM
1 votes:

cman: The problem lies with the fact that many liberals are walking around in denial still holding on to the belief that Obama is a pacifist


Can you name one? Because I've never heard anyone describe Obama as a pacificst. This just comes off as more conservative strawman bullshiat, like when conservatives pretend liberals think Obama is "the messiah".
2012-10-04 02:24:09 PM
1 votes:

KingPsyz: When faced with someone with no fear of being called on their shiat, there's really no winning position. The only win will be when the undecided voters find Romney far too smug and disrespectful, or actually look up one of his claims and feel forced to shower with a delousing agent.


i151.photobucket.com

Well said. and how presidential is it to single out a fictional character?

malialitman.files.wordpress.com

Great company to keep, Mitt.
2012-10-04 02:14:58 PM
1 votes:

LivingDeadX1: Isitoveryet: LivingDeadX1: Ask Chris Stevens if he's better off now then he was four years ago.

and what would you do about it?

If I were President... I'd attend more of my intel briefings for one thing, especially on the weeks leading up to every September 11th anniversary. That just seems like common sense.


Wut? That is during some of the best golfing weather.
2012-10-04 01:39:59 PM
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: Romney did better than Obama,

NeverDrunk23: Obama had a bad night, Romney had a good night.

DamnYankees: Nothing to spin - Obama got beat, badly.
unlikely: they look like "Wow, Obama really sucked, what the hell was he doing out there"
DamnYankees: He was terrible and Romney was great
brigid_fitch: Romney did way better than anyone expected and Obama looked like he was struggling.
what_now: I'll admit it sucked to watch Obama not deliver last night.
Mentat: I think the Obama campaign got a little cocky

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Butthurt libderp deniers.


Look how stupid you are
2012-10-04 01:36:20 PM
1 votes:
It's been about three weeks since the US Ambassador in Libya was killed and I just heard that the FBI is finally on the scene (Woo Hoo)

The debate on foreign policy is gonna be fun.
2012-10-04 01:33:32 PM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: keepitcherry: I hate Romney , I dislike Obama. What is it about Obama that makes him so infallible to most of you guys? Why can't anyone look at politics without their own partisan bias distorting their perception? The dude got his ass kicked last night and I hate Romney.

No one has ever suggested the man is infallible. Why do people who dislike Obama insist on perpetuating this false "hero worship" narrative?


Projection is a GOP cornerstone
2012-10-04 01:31:57 PM
1 votes:

The Great EZE: I don't think those assumptions are as implicit as you think...or assumptions at all. Polls were released hours after the debate. It's clear who undecideds favored. And it's clear what Romney did in the debate.

Can't blame us if we draw the obvious conclusion.


I'm not talking about the "immediate impression" polls, which were vague to begin with (many weren't about political support at all, but rather just impressions of who came across better that night), and which can easily be reversed by things like post-debate analysis and fact-checks or fade naturally like any other ephemeral, thoughtless sensation.

The magnitude of Romney's "win" will be determined by polls taken a week or so after the debate, asking who those people are likely to vote for.
2012-10-04 01:25:01 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: if he can't handle Romney, he can't handle other world leaders


This isn't 2008...but by all means keep acting like it is.
2012-10-04 01:22:42 PM
1 votes:
It's sort of weird, what reaction did you expect from those who support Obama? Did you think they would be happy about last night?

I mean there are a few with their head in the sand insisting that Obama won because Romney was lying, but nobody who they were trying to reach last night will care about that. There is nothing good that will come from last night for Obama. They can try and pound in the fact that Romney reversed or abandoned many of the positions which he has been campaigning on, but that's not going to make much difference. His base will still be fired up regardless, because they want him to win. He stood there and said he would repeal Obamacare and replace it with fairies and unicorns. So what.

A lot of people have compared it to the Bush/Kerry debates. Kerry trounced Bush, nobody would argue that. It didn't cost him the election, largely due to his ground game. Obama still has a better ground game than Romney, hence all the voter suppression, etc. I'm pretty sure that there are fewer undecided voters in this election than there were in the last. What the debates can do is get more people out to vote because Romney looks like less of a waste than he has his whole campaign. Obama needs to step his game up, but if memory serves there are fewer viewers as the debates continue.

Enough of my whining. It sucks to lose, but you have to own up to it when you do. I don't think the game is lost, but perhaps a little bit closer. Which, not surprsingly, is what everybody seemed to want. It's like how the world series almost always goes 7 games.
2012-10-04 01:20:18 PM
1 votes:

Brick-House: [www.mediaite.com image 320x210]


There is something bittersweet about your "any port in a storm" joy today. I mean it's nice to see you guys finally get some good news, because let's face it, you don't really like your candidate and he's been making it hard for your team to win... but I think we mostly see how this ends and it would be sad to see you this happy today and so dejected in November.

No one's going to remember this debate in a couple of weeks.
2012-10-04 01:15:04 PM
1 votes:

cchris_39: Obama's opening salvo was to try to define Romney's positions - only this time somebody was there to call BS on him. He never recovered.


I have bad news for you, the takeaway that most folks who are not high-information votersgot out of this debate is that Mitt Romney wants to kill big bird and Jim Lehrer is a dodering old man:

http://thehill.com/blogs/twitter-room/other-news/260249-big-bird-jim- l ehrer-drive-most-social-media-traffic-during-debate

It really changes nothing, but shine on you crazy diamonds!
2012-10-04 01:12:41 PM
1 votes:
Eh, Obama's always been a big fan of Muhammad Ali's rope-a-dope strategy.

So last night we learned from Mitt that he is all for regulation of business, that he doesn't want to do tax cuts, that he wants to kill PBS but not military spending, and that if you don't like your insurance you can just go buy new insurance.

My interpretation of Obama's strategy was "Please. Keep talking."
2012-10-04 01:11:40 PM
1 votes:
t0.gstatic.com
2012-10-04 01:10:20 PM
1 votes:
You people need to get into football more, politics less. Don't worry you get the same satisfaction from doing nothing yet claiming victory or blaming the refs when you lose, that you get from politics... except fewer people die as a result of your support. Oh also, it's a more appropriate winning-feeling outlet for ignorant hacks who only think they know what's truly behind our problems, it keeps the morons from feeling self-important.
2012-10-04 01:07:40 PM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: keepitcherry: I hate Romney , I dislike Obama. What is it about Obama that makes him so infallible to most of you guys? Why can't anyone look at politics without their own partisan bias distorting their perception? The dude got his ass kicked last night and I hate Romney.

No one has ever suggested the man is infallible. Why do people who dislike Obama insist on perpetuating this false "hero worship" narrative?


Oh really? I live in California maybe it's different where you are, but there is most definitely hero worship going on out here.
2012-10-04 01:07:37 PM
1 votes:
The Fark headline matches the thread. Bravo subby.
2012-10-04 01:04:52 PM
1 votes:
Looks like the Obama team's lowering of expectations wasn't just a tactic, it was an attempt to put the public in touch with reality.
2012-10-04 12:58:09 PM
1 votes:

keepitcherry: I hate Romney , I dislike Obama. What is it about Obama that makes him so infallible to most of you guys? Why can't anyone look at politics without their own partisan bias distorting their perception? The dude got his ass kicked last night and I hate Romney.


Because he's one of the better Republican presidents the US has had lately?
2012-10-04 12:54:19 PM
1 votes:

eraser8: what_now: Nate Silver's has dropped President Obama's chances of re-election down to 96.7%,

I suspect 538 hasn't changed much because Silver's model depends on polling data. We haven't had time for very much (with the exception of snap polls about "who won the debate") polling since last night.

Ordinarily, I wouldn't think that a debate would change much...but, Obama was truly terrible. He looked out of his depth and he was completely unprepared. Imagine Bill Clinton up there: on his worst night, do you think Mr. Clinton would have allowed Romney to get away with lying so baldly? Do you thinking Mr. Clinton would have lurched through the process without a strategy, without a memorable way to frame the argument for his reelection?

I hope Mr. Obama didn't lose the election last night...but, honestly, he didn't do himself any favors.


what is really odd about 0bama's performance is that i really expected him to nail the one thing that was totally under his control - the closing statement. But that was a rambling mess.

No wonder 0bama ignores meetings with world leaders and goes on the The View instead - if he can't handle Romney, he can't handle other world leaders. He couldn't even deal with Univision.

/emperor, clothes, "wheres he at?"
2012-10-04 12:52:16 PM
1 votes:
Nothing Mitt said was true. If that is winning, so be it.
2012-10-04 12:50:57 PM
1 votes:
from the "oh shiat did he really just say that" grin on obama's face, it looked like he just wanted to let mitt keep backtracking on his own campaigning so he can hang him with it later?

that said, how do you let the "I don't know anything about sending jobs overseas" line pass?
2012-10-04 12:49:41 PM
1 votes:
Pollster: Who do you think won the debate?
Derp: Why, Romney did! All confident and stuff.
Pollster: Great! Now, tell me: did it change your mind about who to vote for?
Derp: uhh... *deep thought* No. Not really.

The Point: If it won't change the mark on the ballot, it's not a "victory". It's only a temporary advantage.
2012-10-04 12:48:40 PM
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brigid_fitch: Why Obama didn't call him on his BS is beyond me. Obama spent most of his time telling anecdotes about people he'd met along the campaign trail than anything else. He was definitely off his game.


because 0bama does not have a clue about what is going on.

He lacks intellectually curiosity and rigor. 0bama believes he is always right, surrounds himself by yes men, never gets challenged by the press, avoids press conferences and goes for softball events like The View.
2012-10-04 12:42:44 PM
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DamnYankees: Kazan: DamnYankees: Nothing to spin - Obama got beat, badly. Just have to hope the political scientists are right and it won't hurt him too much.

i haven't gotten to watch it yet .. dvr was asking up and recorded the 9pm PT replay ... did he really have an off night, or is this crap i'm seeing claiming romney did better on multiple sources just trollage?

He was terrible and Romney was great (if you ignore substance and just focus on preentation). Obama clearly, CLEARLY did not want to be there, either because of his anniversary or Turkey/Syria or whatever. The President was terrible.


Romney did better than Obama, but he wasn't "great". He came across as a pushy, obnoxious cock. "Well, if you'd let me finish, Jim" is going to be some magnificent fodder for late night comedians.
2012-10-04 12:42:00 PM
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Obama sucked. Romney was a smirking asshole who was on the offensive.. Jim Lehrer was a floor mat for both. Nothing surprising.
2012-10-04 12:33:52 PM
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Lt. Cheese Weasel: TheBigJerk: Smug Republicans, what a shocker.

Butthurt libderp deniers. Equally shocking.


You forgot to switch back to your main, tenpoundsofcheese.
2012-10-04 12:30:21 PM
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Soup4Bonnie: I thought the worst part about the debate was the awful format. Two minutes for politicians to speak about what is supposed to be important issues facing the country? It takes them a minute and a half just to preface everything they say with God, Mom, and Apple Freedom Pie.


Also the moderator was nonexistent.
2012-10-04 12:25:16 PM
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And will Obama's "loss" really move the needle either direction? Will there be signifcant numbers swayed from one side to the other based on last night's "debate?" Doubtful.
2012-10-04 12:24:05 PM
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shower_in_my_socks: LOL. The Republican candidate just contradicted every single thing he's stood for this entire campaign -- completely betraying all of the Republican voters who have supported him until now.


Which would be important if the GOP was self-aware.
2012-10-04 12:21:28 PM
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beta_plus: The foreign policy debate:

Obama: Thanks to my embracing intelligence gathered through torture, I successfully ordered the assassination of an unarmed man in front of his family while violating the territory of a nation that never attacked us, all the while taking credit for my predecessor's scheduled withdrawal from Iraq.


Romney: I won't sponsor sub-saharan african genocide in Libya and then let our Ambassador be assassinated by Al-Qaeda while blaming free speech and the 1st Amendment.


I think Obama just talks about Romney's mini-tour and how he struck-out playing T-ball.
2012-10-04 12:20:33 PM
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I don't buy the rope-a-dope theory. I think the Obama campaign got a little cocky and thought that they could just run out the clock. That said, Romney's win last night was the equivalent of a hail mary TD pass while down by 21 with 10 minutes left in the game. The Obama campaign still has the superior ground game and there's plenty of time to move on from this debate.
2012-10-04 12:19:44 PM
1 votes:
www.thefablife.com

From 2003 to 2006, 'Sesame Street' made more than $211 million from toy and consumer product sales. So Big Bird is a 1 percenter!
2012-10-04 12:17:49 PM
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kronicfeld: And all you had to do to win the debate was contradict every single thing you've said for the past six months thirty years and relentlessly lie about your own policies and those of your opponent.


I wondering bout this. Is the tea party and base really going to allow him to get away from this?

All my Romney supporter friends have already swiveled on a dime, and say this has always been Romneys MO. Apparently they're ok with communism now?
2012-10-04 12:17:03 PM
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Kazan: MaudlinMutantMollusk: //and why the hell he didn't call out Romney for his repeated lies still puzzles me

because often calling out someone for their dishonesty is a waste of time - their supporters will eat up the lies like popcorn, your supporters know their lies, and the neutrals are likely to listen to fact checkers.


I'd thought about that as well. I don't see how Obama could have done better by using all of his time to say "Governor Romney is lying", the response to which would be a smile and another lie, when it won't make a difference to 99.7% of the people watching.
2012-10-04 12:16:20 PM
1 votes:
I remember having some hope when Kerry beat Bush in their first debate
2012-10-04 12:15:15 PM
1 votes:
So I see that the "full retard" article from Slate a few days back was apparently an indication of a coming trend and not a fluke after all.

Impressive cognitive dissonance to literally publish quotes where Obama campaign officials say that they think the president did pretty well an Romney presented himself as the worse choice and then just continue writing as if they said something indicative of a lack of confidence, though. That's some impressive dedication to the "it's a close race" narrative you've go there.
2012-10-04 12:13:40 PM
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brigid_fitch: Why Obama didn't call him on his BS is beyond me.


He didn't do that during the 2008 debates, either. He was Candidate Doormat then, he's President Doormat now. It's disappointing, but perhaps should have been expected.
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2012-10-04 11:47:43 AM
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ManateeGag: FirstNationalBastard: YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO GO VOTE ON NOVEMBER 6TH!

hey, what are you trying to pull. Republicans vote on November 7th, Democrats vote on the 6th. Remember?


You got that backwards. Last night was like the coin toss, so the Republicans get the first vote this time.
2012-10-04 11:28:03 AM
1 votes:
Can't wait for the foreign policy debate.

Obama: We got bin Laden.
Romney: We'll get Big Bird.
2012-10-04 11:19:09 AM
1 votes:

kronicfeld: Whoever said that the Obama campaign was running the prevent defense had it right. I said before the debate that Obama just needed to sit back and avoid saying something that could be manipulated by the Romney campaign ("You didn't build that"), but I don't think I or Obama saw Romney coming out the way he did and just bulldozing over the whole debate.


To be honest, I thought I would see Romney implode. Half way through, it looked like Romney was starting to lose his shiat and I felt Obama could have pushed him over the edge but just couldn't be bothered to.
2012-10-04 11:04:52 AM
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Mentat: The silver lining is that many Romney's money men won't abandon him now in favor of the downfield races. If Obama and Biden can come back strong in future debates, that's time the GOP won't get back.


It's also money that other races won't get. And those Congressional races are as important as the Presidential race.
2012-10-04 10:59:40 AM
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The silver lining is that many Romney's money men won't abandon him now in favor of the downfield races. If Obama and Biden can come back strong in future debates, that's time the GOP won't get back.
2012-10-04 10:07:43 AM
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Keep sucking each others dicks, Republicans.

You've got this election IN THE BAG! IT'S GOING TO BE SUCH A LANDSLIDE, YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO GO VOTE ON NOVEMBER 6TH!
 
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