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2012-10-04 08:13:19 PM  

djh0101010: hdhale: Except that the budget was balanced in the 90s, so the Cold War debt was paid off.

No, it wasn't balanced by Clinton, he used enron-esque tactics to claim it did. And balanced budget vs. debt is a hugely different thing.

[www.brillig.com image 474x471], from http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html for instance. If it had been balanced, you'd see the overall debt total go down, which you can see it doesn't. And we haven't paid OFF the debt until that number drops to zero.

I tried to read the rest of your points, but couldn't, because I'm thinking they're based on your flawed opening statement.


Flawed?

The balanced budget has to do with the DEFICIT, not the debt. A deficit is when you spend more in a fiscal year than you bring in. When you budget is balanced, your deficit for that fiscal year is zero or positive.

DEBT is a series of accumulated deficits. If I run a deficit for 5 years straight, the debt for each of those years is equal to the added amount of deficits I have had during those five years. If during year six I have a budget that is balanced, I have no deficit for the year, but I still have 5 years worth of debt.

One more time - deficits make debt, but existing debt has nothing to do with balanced budgets.

Clinton did balance the budget while he was in office, which had nothing to do with the national debt. Bush II pissed all that away. Stop putting up charts when you don't know what they mean.
 
2012-10-04 09:03:59 PM  

rewind2846: Clinton did balance the budget while he was in office, which had nothing to do with the national debt. Bush II pissed all that away. Stop putting up charts when you don't know what they mean.


So, explain to me which year you think the DEBT went up, when the claimed DEFICIT was below zero. I'm not seeing it on the graphs, I see the debt going up every year, including the year(s) that the Clinton apologists pretend that Clinton balanced the budget.

If he balanced the budget, can you help all of us understand why the debt went up? It's all about the cash flow, kids. If the "gazatta" is bigger than the "gazinta", then you're in the hole, not balanced. (show your work).

It truly boggles my mind that people like you are (a) apparently serious, and (b) completely fail to understand that spending more than you take in, is NOT a balanced budget.
 
2012-10-04 09:09:25 PM  
Sesame Street grossed $122 million dollars last year. Why is the taxpayer giving $8 million on top of this?
 
2012-10-04 09:10:44 PM  

WorldKnowledge: [i1139.photobucket.com image 850x620]
Nothing but net . . .


Damn liberal media!

/ Fact check lyin' Mitt
 
2012-10-04 09:22:14 PM  

St Andrew: Sesame Street grossed $122 million dollars last year. Why is the taxpayer giving $8 million on top of this?


Oh, maybe because the money made by Sesame Street goes to Sesame Workshop, not PBS?
 
2012-10-04 09:36:28 PM  
So it has come to this. A nation of people who are so stupid that they can be impressed and swayed by someone yelling and flapping their arms while talking about .00001 budgets. I'm not saying common sense is dead in America, I'm saying we are pissing on its grave.
 
2012-10-04 09:42:38 PM  

PallMall: Zarquon's Flat Tire: PallMall: Bender The Offender: I want an "I survived the cock monkey/big bird holocaust" badge.

Challenge Accepted...

Should have had a cock monkey on it.

My idea for that would never have flown on Fark. I had to settle for achingachingaching bird.


Now the question is, would it get a /b/tard to throw up?
 
2012-10-04 09:56:45 PM  
PBS and NPR help to dispel ignorance and teach tolerance. Why would anyone want to eliminate that when the effect on the budget would be negligible?
 
2012-10-04 10:33:30 PM  
The best thing is, because of this one little thing, this thing that actually doesn't cost the USA any money towards the deficit in comparison (because of self-sufficiency such as donations, sponsorship and merchandising making almost completely viable on its own already), this one thing that is a drop in the hat compared to other subsidizing... this just cost him the election.

EVERYONE hates Romney now.

Because of nostalgia and parents who want a digital babysitter for their snotty crotch droppings.
 
2012-10-04 10:45:34 PM  

gaspode: PBS does a lot of good at a tiny tiny cost.


And they can continue to do good after we cut the funding. Cutting off this public funding does not mean that PBS will go away.
 
2012-10-04 10:48:06 PM  
thelordofcheese:


Because of nostalgia and parents who want a digital babysitter for their snotty crotch droppings.

Wow. i've heard/read some crude shiat before, but that's a new one on me.
Of course, snotty could be taken more than one way...

/Like snotty end of a farkstick...
//That's one i will never forget. 
///Nice.
 
2012-10-04 10:55:25 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Now the question is, would it get a /b/tard to throw up?


Sorry, I'm not into putting pictures of sex with corpses in to any of my Photoshops. A cock monkey to /b/ is equivalent to letting an infant listen to "It's a small world."
 
2012-10-04 11:04:07 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: How about instead of killing one TV station, we tackle the actual source of the problem?


The source of the problem is that we spend to much for what we collect in revenue. Part of that solution would be to kill the fluff spending, tighten down on the big items (SS, Medicare, DoD, etc) and to increase revenue.

What I find so funny is the whining and moaning that you can find no matter what you want to cut. Even something as insignificant as federal spending on NPR/PBS.
 
2012-10-04 11:05:49 PM  

HeadLever: gaspode: PBS does a lot of good at a tiny tiny cost.

And they can continue to do good after we cut the funding. Cutting off this public funding does not mean that PBS will go away.


Yes, it does.

It means that PBS either folds or becomes beholden to advertising dollars, which makes it into another TLC or Hystyry.
 
2012-10-04 11:11:35 PM  

djh0101010:
If he balanced the budget, can you help all of us understand why the debt went up? It's all about the cash flow, kids. If the "gazatta" is bigger than the "gazinta", then you're in the hole, not balanced. (show your work).

It truly boggles my mind that people like you are (a) apparently serious, and (b) completely fail to understand that spending more than you take in, is NOT a balanced budget.


Easy. Interest is paid on the debt. This means that even if the budget is balanced (in = out) from now through the end of time, the debt will increase through the magic of compound interest. This is also why the last part of the Clinton years on that bar graph are relatively flat compared to the rest... if he balanced the budget, then the only thing pushing the bars up is interest on the debt.

I think that people who don't understand this rely too much on the "household budget" model of finance. In that model there is no third party holding on to and adding up your deficits month by month or year by year. You only spend what you have, plus any credit you may be extended. In this model, the money owed is called "debt". That's not the model that governments use. Their third party is the faith and promise we as a people (plus foreign governments) put in them to pay it all back.

Here's how that model works. Imagine you made $50,000 after taxes during the fiscal year from april 16th of this year through april 15 of the next year, and spent $60,000 during that same period. To do this you put $10,000 on credit. Your deficit for that year is $10,000, and your debt is zero.

Let's say the person holding that $10,000 credit for you decided to let it slide for that fiscal year, and just adds it to the credit they extend to you next year, another $15,000. Your deficit for this year was $10,000, your deficit for the next year is $15,000, and your debt is a total of $10,000 for this fiscal year. Interest is charged on that debt. The next year it will be $25,000 ($10k + $15k) and so on plus interest.

Deficit turns into debt when it is rolled over, and allows the federal government to invest in things that may take a long time before completion (like wars) or may not be immediately be useful or profitable in any way (like scientific research) or whose potential may not be realized for a generation or more. States do not have that option, as their financial systems are geared to deal with relatively short-range, short-term projects which are immediate to the people who live there. Colorado and Arizona could not have built the Hoover Dam, only the Federal government could.

If you balance your budget the year after that ($50,000 in = $50,000 out), your deficit for that year is zero.

If you balance your budget with a surplus ($50,000 in = $45,000 out), your deficit for that year is zero. You have $5,000 to spend on whatever you want. The smart thing to do is either save that money for lean times, use it to start paying your debt (accrued deficits) , or put it where it can make money for you.

However, your debt is still $25,000 plus two years interest, unless you have made efforts to pay it down.

Remember, deficits are from fiscal year through fiscal year. When they add up, it's called debt

explanation here
 
2012-10-04 11:15:36 PM  
www.nndb.com

It's time to drown government the bathtub.

The bird gets it first.
 
2012-10-04 11:20:05 PM  

DreamyAltarBoy: PBS and NPR help to dispel ignorance and teach tolerance. Why would anyone want to eliminate that when the effect on the budget would be negligible?


Because the gop does not want a real competitor to their mouthpiece fnc.
 
2012-10-04 11:22:34 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Yes, it does.


[citation needed]

it is already beholden to the Koch brothers if you would believe the shiat that comes from some of the left wing kooks out there.
 
2012-10-04 11:25:07 PM  

PallMall: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Now the question is, would it get a /b/tard to throw up?

Sorry, I'm not into putting pictures of sex with corpses in to any of my Photoshops. A cock monkey to /b/ is equivalent to letting an infant listen to "It's a small world."


Well damn, you placed the /b/tard vomit goalpost farther away than I would have.

But really, aren't half of all monkeys cock monkeys?
 
2012-10-04 11:26:24 PM  

rewind2846: Long-winded explanation....


Here's the gist....

BUDGET DEFICIT
You make $50,000 a year salary.
You have $225,000 in debt. (Interest is accruing)
You spend $70,000 in 2012 (charging it all on a VISA or Mastercard)
That means... in 2012, you'll have a $20,000 DEFICIT and just upped your DEBT to $245,000 (+ Interest).

BALANCED BUDGET
You make $50,000 a year salary
You have $225,000 in debt. (Interest is accruing)
You spend $50,000 in 2012.
That means... in 2013, you'll have a BALANCED BUDGET and kept your DEBT at $225,000 (+ interest).

BUDGET SURPLUS
You make $50,000 a year salary
You have $225,000 in debt. (Interest is accruing)
You spend $40,000 in 2012
That means... in 2013, you'll have a BUDGET SURPLUS of $10,000 and you kept your DEBT at $225,000 (+ interest).

Now, do you spend the BUDGET SURPLUS on your DEBT to drop it down to $215,000 (+ interest), or do you blow it all on those hideous glass animal figurines?

...Choose Wisely
 
2012-10-04 11:29:38 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Well damn, you placed the /b/tard vomit goalpost farther away than I would have.

But really, aren't half of all monkeys cock monkeys?


Last time I dropped in on /b/...

ytrewq.com
 
2012-10-04 11:31:12 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: The bird gets it first.


A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird
B-b-b-bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
 
2012-10-04 11:31:32 PM  

PallMall: Here's the gist....


Need to throw in inflation (time value of money) to that as well to really make it add up. That is one of the main reasons why some sources list different dollar amounts when talking about the same thing. Are you talking about 2005 dollars, 2012 dollars or nominal value?
 
2012-10-04 11:33:51 PM  
Just so we're clear, I think we should all acknowledge that Ernie rocks and rules. Sesame Street would have been cancelled in 1972 without Ernie. Without Ernie Sesame Street would be Sesame Lame.
 
2012-10-04 11:34:51 PM  

HeadLever: PallMall: Here's the gist....

Need to throw in inflation (time value of money) to that as well to really make it add up. That is one of the main reasons why some sources list different dollar amounts when talking about the same thing. Are you talking about 2005 dollars, 2012 dollars or nominal value?


Are you a troll, or do you not understand what "gist" means?

Just in case: It was a summary of how the three scenarios work. It should give even a 3rd grader a good idea of DEBT, DEFICIT, BALANCE and SURPLUS functions... you butthole.

My wife is a CPA... I hear more than I want to about budgets and fiscal scrotum, etc.
 
2012-10-04 11:35:39 PM  

Lunaville: Just so we're clear, I think we should all acknowledge that Ernie rocks and rules. Sesame Street would have been cancelled in 1972 without Ernie. Without Ernie Sesame Street would be Sesame Lame.


Are you ghey, or just plain stupid, boy?
 
2012-10-04 11:38:21 PM  

PallMall: Are you a troll, or do you not understand what "gist" means?


A little defensive dude? Just pointing out another facet to the issue. Not meaning to offend.
 
2012-10-04 11:41:42 PM  

djh0101010: rewind2846: Clinton did balance the budget while he was in office, which had nothing to do with the national debt. Bush II pissed all that away. Stop putting up charts when you don't know what they mean.

So, explain to me which year you think the DEBT went up, when the claimed DEFICIT was below zero. I'm not seeing it on the graphs, I see the debt going up every year, including the year(s) that the Clinton apologists pretend that Clinton balanced the budget.

If he balanced the budget, can you help all of us understand why the debt went up? It's all about the cash flow, kids. If the "gazatta" is bigger than the "gazinta", then you're in the hole, not balanced. (show your work).

It truly boggles my mind that people like you are (a) apparently serious, and (b) completely fail to understand that spending more than you take in, is NOT a balanced budget.


If the debt is positive and there is no deficit, the debt will still increase due to the interest paid on the debt.

So, the answer to your question is:

INTEREST

It truly boggles my mind that you can get all het up and think you're totally in the right, those who disagree with you are the dumbest of the dumb, and yet you don't even understand that we pay interest on the debt.
 
2012-10-04 11:43:49 PM  

HeadLever: PallMall: Are you a troll, or do you not understand what "gist" means?

A little defensive dude? Just pointing out another facet to the issue. Not meaning to offend.


It was the gist, not a comprehensive audit. Obviously there are many variables that are not included in a simple summary. It was more to show the point, not to explain the many shifting facets of Governmental economy on a global scale.

Now take the stick out of your bum and drink a beer or something. It's after business hours.
 
2012-10-04 11:51:16 PM  

PallMall: Now take the stick out of your bum and drink a beer or something.


Not sure where you are getting that I have one in there in the first place. Just making simple point. Don't get butthurt over it.
 
2012-10-04 11:55:55 PM  

MonkeyAngst: [i.imgur.com image 800x636]


Don't you mean "Come at Elmo, Bro"?
 
2012-10-05 12:26:33 AM  
i235.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 12:27:26 AM  
Mitt Romney: Easy on Wall Street, Tough on Sesame Street.
 
2012-10-05 12:59:44 AM  

HeadLever: Keizer_Ghidorah: How about instead of killing one TV station, we tackle the actual source of the problem?

The source of the problem is that we spend to much for what we collect in revenue. Part of that solution would be to kill the fluff spending, tighten down on the big items (SS, Medicare, DoD, etc) and to increase revenue.

What I find so funny is the whining and moaning that you can find no matter what you want to cut. Even something as insignificant as federal spending on NPR/PBS.


Hey, I'm happy with cutting some billions from the defense budget that the Pentagon itself has said they don't need or want. America's not the policeman of the world, nor the guard dog of Israel. We can continue to research and build and fund just fine without the monstrous excess.

Killing education, however, is NOT how you handle ANYTHING. I don't know why you think America needs to become even stupider than it already is, unless you're too damned stupid already.
 
2012-10-05 01:18:19 AM  

Ruca: Solty Dog: F Elmo.

i used to be an elmo hater too, until i had a kid that fell in love with him. now he has really grown on me. everything he does is cute

sprout already syndicates sesame street, maybe they'll pick it up


POINT OF ORDER: "Elmo's World" is cute. Almost everything else Elmo does is impatient, hurtful, and/or selfish (or at least destructively self-indulgent); the best thing I can say about his behavior in the opening skits is that he provides an excellent model for how children ought not to act.

He turns into a 50-foot tall monster and nearly crushes Hooper's Store - and his friends.

He picks fights with Zoe almost constantly, leaves her pet rock to drown and mocks Zoe for getting upset about it.

He takes Abby's magic wand when she leaves it unattended and puts all of Sesame Street under a magical curse that drives them to the brink of madness and exhaustion (and, as old as Bob's getting, death).

He has his mother create four different butterfly costumes so he can trick a monarch butterfly into being his friend, with the intent of convincing the butterfly to stay past the first frost (which, of course, would likely kill it).

And those are just the ones I've watched with my daughter this week.
 
2012-10-05 01:22:58 AM  

DataShade: Ruca: Solty Dog: F Elmo.

i used to be an elmo hater too, until i had a kid that fell in love with him. now he has really grown on me. everything he does is cute

sprout already syndicates sesame street, maybe they'll pick it up

POINT OF ORDER: "Elmo's World" is cute. Almost everything else Elmo does is impatient, hurtful, and/or selfish (or at least destructively self-indulgent); the best thing I can say about his behavior in the opening skits is that he provides an excellent model for how children ought not to act.

He turns into a 50-foot tall monster and nearly crushes Hooper's Store - and his friends.

He picks fights with Zoe almost constantly, leaves her pet rock to drown and mocks Zoe for getting upset about it.

He takes Abby's magic wand when she leaves it unattended and puts all of Sesame Street under a magical curse that drives them to the brink of madness and exhaustion (and, as old as Bob's getting, death).

He has his mother create four different butterfly costumes so he can trick a monarch butterfly into being his friend, with the intent of convincing the butterfly to stay past the first frost (which, of course, would likely kill it).

And those are just the ones I've watched with my daughter this week.


I would suggest the Sesame Street Favorite Kids Songs for another chance to evaluate Elmo. He becomes a model for how to behave. Quite different from his normal, daily show.

Link
 
2012-10-05 01:56:38 AM  

DreamyAltarBoy: PBS and NPR help to dispel ignorance and teach tolerance. Why would anyone want to eliminate that when the effect on the budget would be negligible?


I don't know. Can you think of anyone who gains politically from ignorance or a lack of tolerance?
 
2012-10-05 02:18:33 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah:

... America's not the policeman of the world, nor the guard dog of Israel.


I'm not so sure we're the guard dog anymore, lately it seems Israel is an angry pitbull and we've been having trouble holding the leash. It only stays in the yard because we keep feeding it.

Although it's more likely I've been hearing the rhetoric for too long.
 
2012-10-05 02:22:18 AM  

DaCaptain19: lumiere: As Neil DeGrasse Tyson aptly pointed out:

[i.imgur.com image 487x239] 

I also loved Big Bird's [@BigBird] tweet: "Yo Mitt Romney, Sesame Street is brought to you today by the letters F & U! #debates #SupportBigBird"

I'll aptly point out that the way to eat an Elephant is one bite at a time.


I'll aptly point out that what you see may perhaps be an elephant, or maybe not...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-05 02:30:51 AM  
Why are we talking about Big Bird instead of...

the "black site" at Bagram airbase, where the Red Cross has reported detainee abuse, that was turned over the the Afghans only a few weeks ago and we don't even know who it was used to detain?

Obama violating his own ban on lobbyists working for the administration?

the 19 of 20 of Obama's Cabinet-level agencies that disobeyed the law requiring the disclosure of public information?

the continued renditions of alleged terrorists to countries where they could be tortured?

the push for mandatory DNA testing of those arrested for crimes, regardless of whether they have been convicted?

the dramatic increase in government secrecy, where more FOIA requests were blocked by Obama in 2009 than Bush did in 2008?

the granting of waivers for dozens of companies, including McDonald's, exempting them from health care reform that was supposed to cover everyone?

the push to sell $60,000,000,000 of weapons to Saudi Arabia, a record setting arms deal?

the authorization of assassination of US citizens abroad, a declaration of executive power no US President has ever made, even in war time?

the fight for government immunity in prosecutions for domestic spying?

the warentless, real-time tracking of the mobile phones of US citizens?

the quarter billion dollar contract the Obama administration awarded to Blackwater?

the dramatic increased the use of drone attacks in Pakistan, resulting in hundreds of civilian casualties?

the NDAA's direct violation of the Constitutional rights of American citizens?

the largest crack down on whistle blowers in American history?

the abuse and continuing detention of Bradley Manning?

the appointment of Monsanto executive Michael R. Taylor to head the Food and Drug Administration?

the appointment of former Monsanto lobbyist Islam Siddiqui as Chief Agriculture Negotiator?


farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-05 02:44:14 AM  

Dynascape: With all that was said last night.... Im really thinking Romney might have blew his edge with the Anti-PBS stance


He lost me when he was telling the old farts don't he's not going to mess with their social security and health care, he;s just going to screw the younger people out of theirs, wink wink. It's like him telling the managers of a company he's going to buy and hollow out. Nah don't worry about your health plan and pension, that's safe. I'm just going to screw the guys on on the factory floor. Help me do that and your golden dude. That's all I need. Help me screw those guys and were good.

Corollary of the golden rule. If you see someone do something to someone else, stick around they'll do it to you to.
 
2012-10-05 02:58:55 AM  
 
2012-10-05 09:19:56 AM  

Lando Lincoln: authorizeduser: Relax folks, PBS isn't going to vaporize without public financing. Most of the funding already comes from private organizations... and viewers like you.

PBS wouldn't, but a lot of the smaller PBS stations that are located in low-population regions would.


I don't know how you figure that to be a mathematical certainty. I happen to know that my local PBS affiliate is almost entirely funded by local business and private donations.
 
2012-10-05 01:01:46 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I would suggest the Sesame Street Favorite Kids Songs for another chance to evaluate Elmo. He becomes a model for how to behave. Quite different from his normal, daily show.



That doesn't change the fact that the opening 20 minutes of most episodes of Sesame Street will require me to explain to a barely verbal toddler that the cute little red guy is actually a terrible person she should never imitate. =P

He has a few good episodes - generosity, teamwork, etc - and the Elmo's World segments are fun and non-objectionable.
 
2012-10-05 02:15:38 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Killing education, however, is NOT how you handle ANYTHING.


So now cutting out the fluff spending to NPR/PBS is going to end up KILLING education? Methinks that you may be overestimating the impact of PBS on education and the impact that federal funding has on PBS.
 
2012-10-05 02:18:02 PM  

St Andrew: Sesame Street grossed $122 million dollars last year. Why is the taxpayer giving $8 million on top of this?


For the billionth time...

The 8 million dollars doesn't fund Sesame Street. It funds PBS. If you take away the funding for PBS, then the PBS stations that are in low-population markets would be forced to close their doors. So that money you're giving is allowing rednecks to watch PBS.
 
2012-10-05 02:21:12 PM  

authorizeduser: I don't know how you figure that to be a mathematical certainty. I happen to know that my local PBS affiliate is almost entirely funded by local business and private donations.


Who is your local affiliate?
 
2012-10-05 02:30:34 PM  

Lando Lincoln: So that money you're giving is allowing rednecks to watch PBS.


This is why the rednecks don't mind if PBS was shut down. If they actually, y'know, WATCHED PBS and stuff, they might know enough not to be rednecks and have serious questions about being republican.

They don't watch it, they don't care about it, they stay ig'nant. Circle of life.
 
2012-10-05 03:34:10 PM  

Lando Lincoln: authorizeduser: I don't know how you figure that to be a mathematical certainty. I happen to know that my local PBS affiliate is almost entirely funded by local business and private donations.

Who is your local affiliate?


WCMU - http://www.wcmu.org/support/underwriting.html

If federal funding ceased, WCMU could get a local millage passed with ease; or existing financiers would dig a little deeper. Only irrelevant/unwanted services and programs risk extinction without federal funds.
 
2012-10-05 04:03:30 PM  

authorizeduser: WCMU


WCMU is based out of Flint, MI? That's a pretty heavily-populated region of the country.
 
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