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2012-10-04 10:40:52 AM  
Just had a conversation with my legal assistant concerning the debate which she did not watch.

I learned that you can be a legal assistant and NOT know what Romneycare is. "Yeah, I know he had some health program of something, but I don't know how that effects anything . . ."

Fark, meet your undecideds.
 
2012-10-04 10:40:54 AM  

Hack Patooey: I think Obama was blindsided by Romney just talking out his ass like what he was saying was both accurate and what he's been saying all along, and wasn't prepared for it.


Then Obama hasn't been watching the news, because that's all Romney HAS been doing.
 
2012-10-04 10:40:56 AM  

Cletus C.: Maybe Obama has been running against Bush for so long he was stunned into ineffectiveness when some other guy showed up for the debate.


Obama was baffled that he actually had to defend his policies.
 
2012-10-04 10:41:10 AM  

James!: Romney is also going to get brutalized in the media over the next week for the lying.


It's cute how you have faith in humanity.
 
2012-10-04 10:41:18 AM  

James F. Campbell: CPennypacker: Tell me how that is the case if lying makes you lose.

Psst: it's not a good thing that lying helps you win.


No, it sucks donkey balls. Doesn't change the outcome though. You can legislate more from an elected post than from a high horse.
 
2012-10-04 10:41:31 AM  

JollyMagistrate: So, this CNN poll everyone is talking about? This is the sampling data for the poll:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/10/03/top12.pdf

Some things to consider, this poll only went out to:

-Voters in the south (No other regions of the US were sampled)
-Voters over 50 (no voters under age 50 participated)
-Voters that were white (no minorities of any kind participated)
-Voters that Attended College (No non-college participants recorded)

This poll is insanely skewed. You can see the data for yourself on page 15 of the pdf.

I personally think Romney did better in the debate, but this sort of polling is grossly misleading and shameful.


But it makes for exciting press!

:/
 
2012-10-04 10:42:37 AM  

unexplained bacon: that said, he did much better than I was expecting and Obama did much worse...and Leher got steamrolled.


There's a reason why moderators have no balls anymore. They are run by the Commission on Presidential Debates...which is a PRIVATE organization run by the Democrats and Republicans along with corporate interests. The moderators, in other words, are working for the parties.

The debates were run by the League of Women Voters until the late 1980s. Apparently, the two main parties hated the risk of a moderator keeping their horses in check.
 
2012-10-04 10:42:45 AM  

CPennypacker: You can legislate more from an elected post than from a high horse.


Bingo. This is why I *hope* that if Romney wins, he'll go back to his record as governor. But, that's an awful lot of hope... :/
 
2012-10-04 10:43:08 AM  
Personally, I thought Mitt was defensive. Both tried to hog as much of the time as they could, but Mitt was worse than Obama at saying, "No I'm going to keep talking so just shut up, Jim."

But debates are political theater and have no real bearing on anything.
 
2012-10-04 10:43:34 AM  
Just Proves Mitt Will Say Anything to Get Elected.
 
2012-10-04 10:43:44 AM  

Headso: Curious if Obama really had a bad night or if this is part of a larger strategy.. These political races are just a constant game of small ball though so I don't see why Obama would ever give up yardage like that so I'd lean toward he had a bad night and Romney had a good one.


it seems counterintuitive. but it's possible he was being meek in order to get romney to commit to a bunch of stuff they can nail him on in TV spots. and maybe he now has license to go after him hard in the final two debates. but, yeah, it seems odd.
 
2012-10-04 10:43:49 AM  

JollyMagistrate: So, this CNN poll everyone is talking about? This is the sampling data for the poll:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/10/03/top12.pdf

Some things to consider, this poll only went out to:

-Voters in the south (No other regions of the US were sampled)
-Voters over 50 (no voters under age 50 participated)
-Voters that were white (no minorities of any kind participated)
-Voters that Attended College (No non-college participants recorded)

This poll is insanely skewed. You can see the data for yourself on page 15 of the pdf.

I personally think Romney did better in the debate, but this sort of polling is grossly misleading and shameful.


CNN stands to benefit the most from a horse race, what with their holograms and giant screens. If it takes a lazy poll of 430 Americans to increase viewership, then so be it!
 
2012-10-04 10:44:11 AM  
Reposting what I wrote in the Lehrer thread.


Have no idea why people think Romney "won" the debate. He just repeated the same detail-free platitudes that have been the essence of his entire campaign.

-"My plan is to put people back to work."
-"I'm going to cut taxes, renew the Bush tax cuts, increase defense spending, increase Medicare spending, and solve the deficit at the same time - and I'm somehow going to make this work by eliminating some tax deductions and loopholes, but I'm not going to tell you which ones."
-"I'm going to repeal and replace Obamacare, but I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to replace it with. But trust me, I have a plan."
-"I'm going to repeal and replace Dodd-Frank, but I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to replace it with. But trust me, I have a plan."

How can you win a presidential debate in which you don't give any answers or details about what you actually intend to do as president? His one specific policy proposal that I saw (cut funding for PBS) was about as silly and unserious as you can get. Amateur hour.

As far as I'm concerned, last night's debate just confirmed that Romney is the empty suit with no real ideas that we've seen all along. But I guess because he bullied the moderator and managed not to put his foot in his mouth for the first time in weeks, he "won." Whatever.
 
2012-10-04 10:44:38 AM  

born_yesterday: James!: Romney is also going to get brutalized in the media over the next week for the lying.

It's cute how you have faith in humanity.



When you come down off the ledge later and can think rationally maybe you'll remember Paul Ryan being put through the ringer after the convention.
 
2012-10-04 10:44:57 AM  
First debate performance is always a reliable method to predict how the election will fall. Just ask President Mondale.
 
2012-10-04 10:45:28 AM  
All my Republican friends are sucking each others dicks relentlessly this morning.
 
2012-10-04 10:45:37 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Reposting what I wrote in the Lehrer thread.


Have no idea why people think Romney "won" the debate. He just repeated the same detail-free platitudes that have been the essence of his entire campaign.

-"My plan is to put people back to work."
-"I'm going to cut taxes, renew the Bush tax cuts, increase defense spending, increase Medicare spending, and solve the deficit at the same time - and I'm somehow going to make this work by eliminating some tax deductions and loopholes, but I'm not going to tell you which ones."
-"I'm going to repeal and replace Obamacare, but I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to replace it with. But trust me, I have a plan."
-"I'm going to repeal and replace Dodd-Frank, but I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to replace it with. But trust me, I have a plan."

How can you win a presidential debate in which you don't give any answers or details about what you actually intend to do as president? His one specific policy proposal that I saw (cut funding for PBS) was about as silly and unserious as you can get. Amateur hour.

As far as I'm concerned, last night's debate just confirmed that Romney is the empty suit with no real ideas that we've seen all along. But I guess because he bullied the moderator and managed not to put his foot in his mouth for the first time in weeks, he "won." Whatever.


Read my boobies.

Romney won not because of what he said, but because of how he said it.
 
2012-10-04 10:46:06 AM  
I think one thing Obama HAS to do is when he's taking notes, not look down like he's been caught doing something wrong and looking chastised. That probably did more for Romney than anything Romney actually said.
 
2012-10-04 10:46:12 AM  
The best part about Romney "winning" the debate is all the new FARK trolls that have suddenly sprouted just enough balls to comment anonymously on the internet.

You go get 'em, bootstraps!
 
2012-10-04 10:46:20 AM  

markie_farkie: 'Winning' the Talking Out Your Ass and Disavowing Everything Spoken on the Campaign Trail categories isn't 'Winning'.


Yes, it is.

Elections are decided by politics, not policies.

Jackson Herring: James!: Romney is also going to get brutalized in the media over the next week for the lying.

Oh my god that is so cute


He's going to be brutalized by MAYBE two shows on Comedy Central and possibly a Saturday night autism festival.

FlashHarry: true - although romney threw a lot of hardcore rightist GOP dogma under the bus. he sounded quite "moderate" on taxes and healthcare. of course he was lying, but still - isn't that going to piss off the base?


This is the ultimate problem with really judging how Romney did.

He 'won' in the sense that he controlled the debate, said a lot of shiat that wasn't directly refuted, and was generally an unchecked asshole. Assertiveness is considered equivalent to correctness by many, many people. But he's incredibly off balance now, as he's made some farking ridiculous statements. The math alone is mind boggling: he won't increase any revenues, won't lower taxes on the rich, and offers no real method of explaining how he's going to fund his $5 trillion tax cut other than "cut PBS" and "the economy will grow".
 
2012-10-04 10:46:20 AM  

shifty lookin bleeder: I thought Obama looked tired.

Don't you think he looked tired?


Kind of reminded me of the line from the old Captain Hook song: "I saw Polly in a porny with a pony and the pony looked a little bored".
 
2012-10-04 10:46:42 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Reposting what I wrote in the Lehrer thread.


Have no idea why people think Romney "won" the debate. He just repeated the same detail-free platitudes that have been the essence of his entire campaign.

-"My plan is to put people back to work."
-"I'm going to cut taxes, renew the Bush tax cuts, increase defense spending, increase Medicare spending, and solve the deficit at the same time - and I'm somehow going to make this work by eliminating some tax deductions and loopholes, but I'm not going to tell you which ones."
-"I'm going to repeal and replace Obamacare, but I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to replace it with. But trust me, I have a plan."
-"I'm going to repeal and replace Dodd-Frank, but I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to replace it with. But trust me, I have a plan."

How can you win a presidential debate in which you don't give any answers or details about what you actually intend to do as president? His one specific policy proposal that I saw (cut funding for PBS) was about as silly and unserious as you can get. Amateur hour.

As far as I'm concerned, last night's debate just confirmed that Romney is the empty suit with no real ideas that we've seen all along. But I guess because he bullied the moderator and managed not to put his foot in his mouth for the first time in weeks, he "won." Whatever.


Let the rage flow.
 
2012-10-04 10:46:56 AM  

Doc Daneeka: As far as I'm concerned, last night's debate just confirmed that Romney is the empty suit with no real ideas that we've seen all along. But I guess because he bullied the moderator and managed not to put his foot in his mouth for the first time in weeks, he "won." Whatever.


You're obviously not a "low-information" voter. I'm assuming those people are one step removed from chimpanzees so seeing the right primate posturing and chest-beating in their candidates is a real consideration for them.
 
kab
2012-10-04 10:47:13 AM  

JerseyTim: Obama debated like a guy who doesn't care if he gets reelected.


That's as accurate a description as I've seen, really.
 
2012-10-04 10:47:50 AM  

FlashHarry: Headso: Curious if Obama really had a bad night or if this is part of a larger strategy.. These political races are just a constant game of small ball though so I don't see why Obama would ever give up yardage like that so I'd lean toward he had a bad night and Romney had a good one.

it seems counterintuitive. but it's possible he was being meek in order to get romney to commit to a bunch of stuff they can nail him on in TV spots. and maybe he now has license to go after him hard in the final two debates. but, yeah, it seems odd.


Obama did the same thing in 2008.

Round 2 will be brutal for Romney.
 
2012-10-04 10:48:04 AM  

shifty lookin bleeder: I thought Obama looked tired.

Don't you think he looked tired?


He did look tired. And aged by the presidency. Who knows what has been occupy his time recently. I an guessing it was not a much preparation for the debates as he would have liked.
 
2012-10-04 10:48:04 AM  

Tenga: All my Republican friends are sucking each others dicks relentlessly this morning.


literally or figuratively? i mean, they are republicans....
 
2012-10-04 10:48:07 AM  

Cletus C.: Obama didn't seem to give a fark so why should I?


That about sums up the last several weeks.
 
2012-10-04 10:48:23 AM  

James!: Did anyone change their vote?


Nope - I though Romney came across as aggressive, but in the form of an aggressive weasel, not as a strong leader. I suppose I'm in the minority on performance in the debate itself, but even if he won that battle, once the fact checks come in, or Obama's ad team has a chance to run some juxtaposing what Mitt said last night with lots of stuff he's said in the last year, I think he loses the war.

/Five weeks before the election is a little late to pivot to the center Governor
 
2012-10-04 10:48:24 AM  

JerseyTim:
I think people like Sheldon Adelson really don't care about Romney, they just want Obama out the US to attack Iran for Israel and for the DOJ to stop instigating his shady business dealings with China and Macau..


FTFY
 
2012-10-04 10:48:28 AM  
Yep, Romney lied is ass off and Obama didn't hold him accountable. Basically Mitt got away with lying about his entire tax policy and the details about his proposed replacement of ObamaCare. In addition he got away with lying about ObamaCare.

Obama basically has a lead and he seems like he just wants to cruise without risking any mistakes.
 
2012-10-04 10:48:46 AM  

James!: When you come down off the ledge later and can think rationally maybe you'll remember Paul Ryan being put through the ringer after the convention.


OK, before anything else, can we clear something up?

THIS:

www.wringerhand.com
is a WRINGER


THIS:

www.bonnevilleclothingco.com
is a RINGER

You think Paul Ryan went through the former, but I feel what he went through from the press was more like the latter. Just saying, you've been using this language since you were 2 or 3, right? Act like it.
 
2012-10-04 10:49:23 AM  
No one lost or won the debate. In any debate against an incumbent all the challenger has to do is appear equal to the incumbent in order for it to be a success. The real issue here is what did each of the candidates say? Romney gave a Supply Side economy argument, that rich people need more breaks to help poor people, an argument that has lost him blue collar votes in PA, Ohio, Virginia, and Iowa. The President gave a solid argument that the economy is best served from the bottom up, an argument that has winning support in the states that matter since we elect by the electoral college(I don't give sh*t about direct elections, because it keeps larger states from swamping the vote.) The media reacts to debates like your Twitter feed did last night, filled with mindless partisanship and pre-planned reactions to pre-planned points that everyone knew were coming since May.
 
2012-10-04 10:49:24 AM  

kab: JerseyTim: Obama debated like a guy who doesn't care if he gets reelected.

That's as accurate a description as I've seen, really.


This
 
2012-10-04 10:50:10 AM  

EyeballKid: EighthDay: Maybe this will motivate the base on the left out of the false sense of security, who knows.

Why not? That debate showed about as much fight as Obama has shown during his term in office selling out fighting for his base. I don't think it's false sense of security keeping the left away, but rather a sense of "What does it matter if Republican policies are the only ones enacted, anyway?"


Oh please.

While I'm not happy with a lot of things Obama has done, claiming that all he's enacted are Republican policies is a poor strawman.

Let's see - you have the first sitting president to come out in support of gay marriage, even if he isn't pushing hard to get DOMA overturned, he's no longer having it enforced. You have a President who stumped to get the DADT law repealed - which it is. You have a president who cut taxes that favored the low and middle classes (payroll tax reduction favors those making under 100k, even if those above still benefit.) You have a president who tried to get Gitmo closed, but was blocked by Congress. You have a president who understands that government spending on infrastructure and R&D can result in new jobs and new economies. You have a president who understands that decreasing government spending during a recession is a great way to torpedo any chance of the economy recovering in the next decade.

Is Obama a liberal or progressive candidate? No way. Is he a far, far better option than Romney? Absolutely.

Obama is certainly more of a right-wing corporatist in his views than I'd like, but Romney is absolutely appalling and would be a nightmare as a president. Thankfully, I'm an educated white male who makes good money, so I'd likely benefit, but seeing the long-term devastation and what that would mean to my children? Yeah, I'd rather not suffer through that.
 
2012-10-04 10:51:43 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I don't think that anyone on the Obama campaign ever seriously contemplated that Romney would just ignore reality and substitute his own delusions.


Yup. Obama's mistake was prepping his debate points based on Mitt's plan from last week. Mitt seemed to convey that everything he's been campaigning with for the last few months is out the window and this is his new, "real plan."

Obama only got one good shot at that strategy with his quip about Mitt's plan being "oops, nevermind."

That CNN poll could just as easily be the percentage of lies told in relation to the amount of words spoken.
 
2012-10-04 10:52:21 AM  
The long game...Obama set up Romney for a big fall at the next debate....

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-04 10:52:43 AM  

spiderpaz: Obama basically has a lead and he seems like he just wants to cruise without risking any mistakes.


That seems like the most logical reason for a bad showing, he seemed more concerned with making sure he wasn't saying anything that could be used as an attack in the future and by doing so let Romney get away with pushing his narrative.
 
2012-10-04 10:53:51 AM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: your wave-blocking cranial apparatus


I lolled
 
2012-10-04 10:53:52 AM  

Bag of Hammers: kab: JerseyTim: Obama debated like a guy who doesn't care if he gets reelected.

That's as accurate a description as I've seen, really.

This


Which is why I switched my vote. First rule for whenever I hire someone is they have to want the job. If Obama doesn't want to be President, then it's time to bring in someone new
 
2012-10-04 10:56:45 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Which is why I switched my vote. First rule for whenever I hire someone is they have to want the job. If Obama doesn't want to be President, then it's time to bring in someone new


What if there's only one other candidate for the position and he's a walking disaster? I'd agree with your point if you had a hiring pool, but in a presidential campaign the hiring pool is 1 person.

/Also, if you hire the guy who in the interview tells you he can increase profits while cutting operational costs by 20% and won't even tell you basic details about what aspects of the corporation he feels he can get those savings in... you're about to have a fun ride as the owner of the company.
 
2012-10-04 10:56:49 AM  

digistil: tenpoundsofcheese: a poll that over samples democrats

That smells an awful lot like it came out of your brain. Citation needed.


How about this one that came out before the debate?

1,005 polled: 36% Democrat, 29% Republican, 30% Independent

gillreport.com

Also, can you point out the "racists" in this poll?
 
2012-10-04 10:57:02 AM  

FlashHarry: CNN's internals (pdf)

if their own information is correct, the entire group polled was southern, white and over 50. hardly obama-friendly in the first place.


Wow, all southern urban and suburban. All self identified as Moderate or Conservative (NO self identified Liberals at all) sounds like a real slice of America.

/very thin slice
//Off a rather unsavory part
 
2012-10-04 10:57:06 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Bag of Hammers: kab: JerseyTim: Obama debated like a guy who doesn't care if he gets reelected.

That's as accurate a description as I've seen, really.

This

Which is why I switched my vote. First rule for whenever I hire someone is they have to want the job. If Obama doesn't want to be President, then it's time to bring in someone new


Your analysis of policy positions and how they will impact you is amazing.
 
2012-10-04 10:57:36 AM  

EyeballKid: James!: When you come down off the ledge later and can think rationally maybe you'll remember Paul Ryan being put through the ringer after the convention.

OK, before anything else, can we clear something up?

THIS:

[www.wringerhand.com image 554x319]
is a WRINGER


THIS:

[www.bonnevilleclothingco.com image 300x428]
is a RINGER

You think Paul Ryan went through the former, but I feel what he went through from the press was more like the latter. Just saying, you've been using this language since you were 2 or 3, right? Act like it.



Your a idiot.
 
2012-10-04 10:57:44 AM  

coyo: shifty lookin bleeder: I thought Obama looked tired.

Don't you think he looked tired?

He did look tired. And aged by the presidency. Who knows what has been occupy his time recently. I an guessing it was not a much preparation for the debates as he would have liked.


My guess would be the big step towards all out war between Syria and Turkey, that draws in practically every country region, that were taken yesterday.
 
2012-10-04 10:57:53 AM  
Without the teleprompter Obama is a bag of hot air. He looked like shiat last night. If Romeny was lying, then why didn't Obama call him on it? why did Obama stand there staring at his hands nodding like a little girl? If Obama was the smartest man in the room, why did he flub the entire debate? What a loser.

What cracks me up is all the libtards in Fark tripping overthemselve to make excuses and dismiss it.

Your emperor has no clothes.
 
2012-10-04 10:58:19 AM  
I can't wait to hear the continued Fox News reports about how polls don't matter and/or they're biased, just like they've reported previously.
 
2012-10-04 10:58:25 AM  
It was almost the exact same performance with Hillary. I have no clue what the shiat storm is about. I thought Romney was incomprehensible and spastic.
 
2012-10-04 10:58:32 AM  

FlashHarry: Tenga: All my Republican friends are sucking each others dicks relentlessly this morning.

literally or figuratively? i mean, they are republicans....


Figuratively, but lunchtime is coming up.
 
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