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2012-10-04 10:26:38 AM

indylaw: Nothing says dependable like an online poll on America's dumbest news networkTM


CNN is no longer the dumbest news network.

Glenn Beck launched "The Blaze" channel. All arguments from now on are invalid.
 
2012-10-04 10:26:40 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Don't expect "Professor Obama" next debate. Same thing happened in 2008...he foolishly gave his opponent the benefit of the doubt. He won't make that mistake again.



If he wants to learn how to handle bullshiat bafflers, he should spend some time on the Fark politics tab.

/Hands on experience
 
2012-10-04 10:27:15 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: He "won" in terms of dominating the discussion through bullying the moderator. But he lied out of his a$$ to do it.

Don't expect "Professor Obama" next debate. Same thing happened in 2008...he foolishly gave his opponent the benefit of the doubt. He won't make that mistake again.


The next debate is townhall format. It is even harder to not come across as an asshole for pointing out lies when it is questions asked by attendees.
 
2012-10-04 10:27:57 AM
Maybe Obama has been running against Bush for so long he was stunned into ineffectiveness when some other guy showed up for the debate.
 
2012-10-04 10:28:03 AM
As predicted: Romney didn't throw up on his shoes. Therefore, he "won".
 
2012-10-04 10:28:03 AM

Bag of Hammers: I gotta slightly disagree with you there, the big money donors who need to bank on a winner will be less reluctant to whip out the check books now (not that that has been a problem for Romney) but last night he sounded a lot like a the Moderate Republican he pretended to be in Mass (the same RINO the base accused him of being early in the primary) and the fact he returned to those seemingly moderate talking points isn't going to go over well with the base.


I think a lot of Romney's support is just anti-Obama sentiment. Remember that day when he gave that speech in front of the Solyndra factory while his staffers shouted down Axelrod press conference? The ant-Obama people were thrilled. They were excited to see Romney attacking Obama. I think people like Sheldon Adelson really don't care about Romney, they just want Obama out.
 
2012-10-04 10:28:30 AM

EyeballKid: James!: Romney is also going to get brutalized in the media over the next week for the lying.

Riiiiiiiight, the same way he's been battered for cheating on his taxes for 10+ years, dealing with shady officials and possible bribery in the Utahlympics, and his position in a pyramid scheme/cult passing itself off as a legitimate faith.

I think David Gregory will more likely fetch Mitt his favorite slippers and pipe the next time he interviews him.



More like how Ryan got run through the ringer after his convention speech. 
 
2012-10-04 10:28:38 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BooBoo23:


I don't think that anyone on the Obama campaign ever seriously contemplated that Romney wouldn't just ignore reality and substitute his own delusions.
 
2012-10-04 10:28:39 AM
I guess I can't accuse the media of having a Liberal bias today.
 
2012-10-04 10:29:07 AM

FlashHarry: when romney said, "of course, i prefer private insurance," i wanted obama to retort, "well, you can afford it; most americans can't." that would've been a great "zinger." but he left it alone. why?


It was obvious that Obama didn't want a street fight. Simplist explanation is that he doesn't need to and is already thinking of starting his 2nd term on a positive foot with the opposition. However, I agree that it seemed weird.
 
2012-10-04 10:29:19 AM

globalwarmingpraiser: Ron PauHeadso: globalwarmingpraiser: True swing voters are personality people. Romney looked like a decisive and powerful man. Considering war with Iran is coming that is likely a selling point.

Maybe better to just elect the people that aren't going to rush into war with Iran instead...

Ron Paul is out and no third party will win. Lets enjoy the end of the America of freedom.


Usually both sides are bad people have never bothered looking at the roll call votes for the Iraq war so your response isn't surprising.
 
2012-10-04 10:29:33 AM

evoke:
Obama just can't win as an incumbent. i understand why he won in 08, he had good stage presence and had great speechwriters and offered "hope and change". But he simply hasn't delivered on his promises. It will not work this time.

This time it's Romney that is offering change.


If you really think that you can make some great money on Intrade. Romney winning the presidency is paying out at 3 to 1. You can triple your money in only a few months!
 
2012-10-04 10:29:46 AM
I thought Obama looked tired.

Don't you think he looked tired?
 
2012-10-04 10:30:01 AM
Mitt wasn't very truthful, and was often very vague.

that said, he did much better than I was expecting and Obama did much worse...and Leher got steamrolled.

show up better prepared next time Obama, Mitt apparently isn't always a gaffing buffoon.


...still want to know how the RW is spinning Mitt's line about 'not dropping the preexisting condition requirement', since Mitt in fact IS planning to drop that.

simply saying the states should write their own laws on that isn't going to keep people from being dropped and staying dropped.
 
2012-10-04 10:30:10 AM

soy_bomb: nyseattitude: [img1.fark.net image 54x11]Romney vows public execution of Big Bird, concentration camp for Snuffaluffagus

How about Big Bird paying his own bills with his merchandising income.


Does the merchandising income go towards the Sesame Street budget?

How much is the budget vs. the merchandising income?

I rate this comment "Do more research"
 
2012-10-04 10:30:15 AM

MindStalker: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BooBoo23:

I don't think that anyone on the Obama campaign ever seriously contemplated that Romney wouldn't just ignore reality and substitute his own delusions.


So they haven't been paying attention for the past 16 months?
 
2012-10-04 10:30:32 AM
Romney had three problems going into this election. 1) He wasn't likeable. 2) He reverses course on policy and tailors his attitudes towards the way the wind blows (the etch-a-sketch problem) and 3) He has no hard policies that can be evaluated for their worth.

He made a great stride toward fixing the first issue, but took very real steps backward on problems 2 and 3. He walked back on policy he had been supporting for over a year, and his policy presentation consisted of "repeal a dozen laws and statutes, cut taxes, and magic will fill the gap in needed regulation and budget deficit problems". His economic policy appears to be the equivalent of holding up a gallon of bottled water and claiming he's solved African drought. He's talking about saving pennies to pay for gaps measured in astronomical scales.

On the plus side, he showed he can look the part, actually talk to people about issues, and not sound like an automaton. He showed passion and interest. He talked about people and appeared to show it wasn't about winning a prize, it's about governing a nation. But that's all window dressing if he can't coherently state and support a path forward that is measurable.
 
2012-10-04 10:30:44 AM
FOR THE DISCOURAGED LIBS

Newsweek's post-debate poll showed 61 percent of respondents said Kerry won, 19 percent said Bush won and 16 percent said they were undecided.

The poll also found 56 percent said Kerry did better than expected in the debate while 11 percent said the same for Bush.

Newsweek's post-convention poll had Bush leading among registered voters 54 percent to 43 percent. Its post-debate poll had 47 percent choosing Kerry-Edwards, and 45 percent for Bush-Cheney. Two percent said they would vote for Ralph Nader and his running mate, Peter Camejo.
 
2012-10-04 10:30:47 AM

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.

He just controlled the conversation the most. Always got the last word. Steamrolled the moderator.

So just aggression? That's what wins? Content be damned I guess. And here I thought it was a debate.

This is America. A huge part of the population here does not care about content. They don't understand content. They don't want content. That's half the reason we're as skizza-boned as we are now.


Well fark it. Not that I had high hopes, but it would be nice to learn something.

I guess I'll be playing Borderlands during the next debate.

Handsome Jack 2012
 
2012-10-04 10:30:51 AM

evoke: Obama didn't have a chance. He can't run on his record, since his record is abysmal.


lolwut?

in just four years after an economic cataclysm in which the world lost nearly half its wealth, we've had 30-straight months of private sector job growth, a doubling of the dow, detroit saved, and new tough regulations governing wall st. add to that bin laden dead, qadaffi dead, mubarak gone, DADT gone and the first true healthcare reform in half a century.... and all with the GOP unified against him?

i'd say his record is pretty farking great, all things considered.
 
2012-10-04 10:32:05 AM
As big a beating of Obama this is being made out to be, the polls won't change. People that care already made up their mind. People that don't care have no idea it even happened.
 
2012-10-04 10:32:34 AM

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.

He just controlled the conversation the most. Always got the last word. Steamrolled the moderator.

So just aggression? That's what wins? Content be damned I guess. And here I thought it was a debate.

This is America. A huge part of the population here does not care about content. They don't understand content. They don't want content. That's half the reason we're as skizza-boned as we are now.

Well fark it. Not that I had high hopes, but it would be nice to learn something.

I guess I'll be playing Borderlands during the next debate.

Handsome Jack 2012


I don't know where you are in the game, but if Mitt Romney kills Obama's dog I'll have a pretty good idea of who's who.
 
2012-10-04 10:33:21 AM
We all set expectations so high for Obama and low for Romney that yes Romney won last night
 
2012-10-04 10:33:29 AM
No knockout blows were scored. There were no "There you go again" lines or NIxon's flopsweat that will redefine either campaign. The challenger will get a bump in the polls, but that's standard for a first debate. The expectations will shift completely in the second debate, and most likely, Obama will be seen as doing better, while Romney will be seen as doing well, but not as well as expected.

The polls will now move a few points in favor of Romney, but not enough to put him back in the race. The big winner is the media, who gets to show their online poll results and tightening national polls to pretend the race is still close, but it isn't. Romney needs to swing Ohio and Florida by 11 and 10 points, respectively, and I seriously doubt he's done that.
 
2012-10-04 10:33:43 AM
I'm pretty hard-left liberal, will still be voting for Obama in November, and admit that Romney did better than I expected, was significantly more aggressive, and Obama seemed a lot more low-key.

I see this as giving Mitt a decent bump in the polls (perhaps a 3% swing), perhaps tightening up a few of the swing states, but with Obama recovering in the other debates after seeing Moderate Mitt come out after months of Conservative Mitt.

If we have a repeat in debates #2 and #3, and economic factors don't change significantly, it could actually make this race a horse race instead of the blowout it was looking to be.

Maybe this will motivate the base on the left out of the false sense of security, who knows.
 
2012-10-04 10:33:56 AM
As much as Mitt was talking out of his bunghole, Obama could simply have began each of his responses with "That is a lie," then go on to answer. The fact checker would probably find Obama wrong once or twice.

Mitt "Nathan Thurm" Rmoney?

/
 
2012-10-04 10:34:04 AM
Romney did a brilliant job of winning the low expectations game heading into the debate. Remaining upright would have been a victory.

Now, the vice presidential debate will be a different story. Most people expect Ryan to turn Old Joe into a seal with a beach ball.
 
2012-10-04 10:34:08 AM

I_C_Weener: As big a beating of Obama this is being made out to be, the polls won't change. People that care already made up their mind. People that don't care have no idea it even happened.


I think it could change the turnout. Republicans who maybe didn't like Romney and might have stayed home, maybe now they could get energized and would actually vote. Maybe, I don't know.
 
2012-10-04 10:34:50 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: a poll that over samples democrats


That smells an awful lot like it came out of your brain. Citation needed.
 
2012-10-04 10:35:08 AM

imontheinternet: No knockout blows were scored. There were no "There you go again" lines or NIxon's flopsweat that will redefine either campaign. The challenger will get a bump in the polls, but that's standard for a first debate. The expectations will shift completely in the second debate, and most likely, Obama will be seen as doing better, while Romney will be seen as doing well, but not as well as expected.

The polls will now move a few points in favor of Romney, but not enough to put him back in the race. The big winner is the media, who gets to show their online poll results and tightening national polls to pretend the race is still close, but it isn't. Romney needs to swing Ohio and Florida by 11 and 10 points, respectively, and I seriously doubt he's done that.


See, this guy gets it. All going according to script.
 
2012-10-04 10:35:24 AM
When is the last time winning a debate won you the presidency? Rmoney supporters may want to look that up.
 
2012-10-04 10:35:48 AM
What I gathered from Romney is that he plans on introducing unspecified revenue neutral tax reforms, mixed with an increased military budget, no cuts to anything except for PBS, and somehow reducing the deficit. I've seen it done in several infomercials, so it must not be bullshiat.
 
2012-10-04 10:36:13 AM

vernonFL: I_C_Weener: As big a beating of Obama this is being made out to be, the polls won't change. People that care already made up their mind. People that don't care have no idea it even happened.

I think it could change the turnout. Republicans who maybe didn't like Romney and might have stayed home, maybe now they could get energized and would actually vote. Maybe, I don't know.


true - although romney threw a lot of hardcore rightist GOP dogma under the bus. he sounded quite "moderate" on taxes and healthcare. of course he was lying, but still - isn't that going to piss off the base?
 
2012-10-04 10:36:35 AM

JerseyTim: Obama debated like a guy who doesn't care if he gets reelected.


This....

Honestly can you blame him? He's spent the last 4 years being shiat on every day of his life. It's only been 4 years and Bush's approval rates are already way up again, no one cares to shiat on him anymore. He can retire, write books, not worry about wars, play golf and raise money for hurricane relief funds.
 
2012-10-04 10:36:46 AM

EighthDay: Maybe this will motivate the base on the left out of the false sense of security, who knows.


Why not? That debate showed about as much fight as Obama has shown during his term in office selling out fighting for his base. I don't think it's false sense of security keeping the left away, but rather a sense of "What does it matter if Republican policies are the only ones enacted, anyway?"
 
2012-10-04 10:37:07 AM

FlashHarry: CNN's internals (pdf)

if their own information is correct, the entire group polled was southern, white and over 50. hardly obama-friendly in the first place.


It shows Romney with a sizable advantage in "favorability" before the debate. That's very odd and contradicts most polls.

Not that I'm saying Obama won, but that's odd.
 
2012-10-04 10:37:07 AM
The funny thing is that Romney just stole a bunch of things Obama wants to do and applied it to himself. He just said he would go about it differently than Obama would. The even funnier thing is that Romney supporters are eating it up, saying he won the debate by basically ignoring what he's said in the past and making up new facts about himself, as well as continuing his vague description of things he would do. Romney "won" by spouting off as much bullshiat in the little time he had as humanly possible. You are dumb if you think Romney had any substance in his debate, and you should bring a handler with you if you ever go shopping for used cars in the future.

But Obama lost by not making more statements like the one that was to the effect of: "For the past 18 months you were saying X, but now, 5 weeks from the election, you're saying Y." He had a lot of opportunities to call Romney out on his BS and only took a few of them, and he could have done it without appearing to be angry.

The next two Presidential debates will include foreign policy. I think those will be hilarious. If you think Republicans have shaky ground on domestic policy, then their foreign policy is a sinkhole.
 
2012-10-04 10:37:25 AM

Headso: globalwarmingpraiser: Ron PauHeadso: globalwarmingpraiser: True swing voters are personality people. Romney looked like a decisive and powerful man. Considering war with Iran is coming that is likely a selling point.

Maybe better to just elect the people that aren't going to rush into war with Iran instead...

Ron Paul is out and no third party will win. Lets enjoy the end of the America of freedom.

Usually both sides are bad people have never bothered looking at the roll call votes for the Iraq war so your response isn't surprising.

War with Iran is coming. It is a likely to be less bloody under Obama. But it is coming. We seem to want perpetual war.
 
2012-10-04 10:37:59 AM
I know everyone thinks Obama plays the "long game" and all that, but it might have been nice if he'd actually attempted to stem the astounding flood of used-car salesmanship coming from Romney last night.

Rope-a-dope, eh? Well, let's hope that's the game plan here. I certainly didn't see it.
 
2012-10-04 10:38:07 AM
A lot of Republicans were kind of let down when Romney got the nomination, no doubt about it. He hasn't exactly shined since then, either. But yesterday he was on fire. Obama got steamrolled and this will energize the base.

Be afraid libs!
 
2012-10-04 10:38:08 AM

James!: Romney is also going to get brutalized in the media over the next week for the lying.


Oh my god that is so cute
 
2012-10-04 10:38:15 AM

digistil: tenpoundsofcheese: a poll that over samples democrats

That smells an awful lot like it came out of your brain. Citation needed.


What, You expect him to post the talking points email he got in his cube today?


/please excuse me if you shill from home and not a cube farm tpoc.
 
2012-10-04 10:38:35 AM
Curious if Obama really had a bad night or if this is part of a larger strategy.. These political races are just a constant game of small ball though so I don't see why Obama would ever give up yardage like that so I'd lean toward he had a bad night and Romney had a good one.
 
2012-10-04 10:38:48 AM

vernonFL: Romney "won" because he seemed like a normal human


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2012-10-04 10:39:35 AM

CPennypacker: Tell me how that is the case if lying makes you lose.


Psst: it's not a good thing that lying helps you win.
 
2012-10-04 10:39:37 AM

LasersHurt: This is America. A huge part of the population here does not care about content. They don't understand content. They don't want content. That's half the reason we're as skizza-boned as we are now


But most of them can understand that 20% of 25 = 5, no matter how many zeros follow. That Obama did not drive that home last night and let Romney slink away from explaining in any detail, the 20% across the board cut in rates that he's been promising for almost two years was one of the biggest failures in the history of presidential debates. And I don't think that's an overstatement.
 
2012-10-04 10:39:55 AM
So, this CNN poll everyone is talking about? This is the sampling data for the poll:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/10/03/top12.pdf

Some things to consider, this poll only went out to:

-Voters in the south (No other regions of the US were sampled)
-Voters over 50 (no voters under age 50 participated)
-Voters that were white (no minorities of any kind participated)
-Voters that Attended College (No non-college participants recorded)


This poll is insanely skewed. You can see the data for yourself on page 15 of the pdf.

I personally think Romney did better in the debate, but this sort of polling is grossly misleading and shameful.
 
2012-10-04 10:40:35 AM

I_C_Weener: As big a beating of Obama this is being made out to be, the polls won't change. People that care already made up their mind. People that don't care have no idea it even happened.


I don't agree. Low info voters who care enough to watch saw two men say a bunch of stuff about things with numbers. Romney did it with uber confidence and walked all over the moderator. Obama was calm, low key and had a few stutters and stumbles. All low info voters saw was the confidence levels and I think that will have an impact on the few undecided low info voters out there.
 
2012-10-04 10:40:40 AM

lawboy87: Now, let's see if the media actually does its job and calls out Romney over the next week on all the lies he put out there during the debates.


I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
2012-10-04 10:40:47 AM

Headso: Curious if Obama really had a bad night or if this is part of a larger strategy.. These political races are just a constant game of small ball though so I don't see why Obama would ever give up yardage like that so I'd lean toward he had a bad night and Romney had a good one.


Or it could have been a slam dunk right through the pipes if Obama had only ...

Pick a sport, sport.
 
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