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2012-10-04 11:32:09 AM

SkinnyHead: This looks to be the biggest margin of victory in presidential debate history. Total domination.


Oh look, it's skinnyhead.
 
2012-10-04 11:32:38 AM
TV's Vinnie: Big Bird will survive, even if he has to drink Coca Cola on air. Charlie Rose, John McLaughlin, Nova and Frontline would be farked though. Which is definitely our loss.

/screaming
 
2012-10-04 11:32:57 AM

TV's Vinnie: We actually now live in a world where Big Bird is more at risk of being taken off the air than Honey Boo Boo Child!

Let that horrible fact sink in, and begin screaming.


ts4.mm.bing.net

you've got a point there.
 
2012-10-04 11:32:58 AM

TV's Vinnie: We actually now live in a world where Big Bird is more at risk of being taken off the air than Honey Boo Boo Child!

Let that horrible fact sink in, and begin screaming.


I've been screaming since last July.
 
2012-10-04 11:33:04 AM

shifty lookin bleeder: LasersHurt: This is America. A huge part of the population here does not care about content. They don't understand content. They don't want content. That's half the reason we're as skizza-boned as we are now

But most of them can understand that 20% of 25 = 5, no matter how many zeros follow. That Obama did not drive that home last night and let Romney slink away from explaining in any detail, the 20% across the board cut in rates that he's been promising for almost two years was one of the biggest failures in the history of presidential debates. And I don't think that's an overstatement.


You're giving Americans WAY too much credit.
 
2012-10-04 11:33:20 AM

born_yesterday: TommyDeuce: Danger Mouse: Without the teleprompter Obama is a bag of hot air. He looked like shiat last night. If Romeny was lying, then why didn't Obama call him on it? why did Obama stand there staring at his hands nodding like a little girl? If Obama was the smartest man in the room, why did he flub the entire debate? What a loser.

What cracks me up is all the libtards in Fark tripping overthemselve to make excuses and dismiss it.

Your emperor has no clothes.

God, you're right. I've been so wrong, I'm going to go early vote for Romney right now. I've always sort of wanted to live as a serf in a feudal society. I hope my local noble isn't too capricious.

I shall rule you with a hard but loving fist, TommyDeuce.


OK, but if you wrap that mailed fist in velvet, I prefer green. It covers the blood spatter better then you'd think.
 
2012-10-04 11:34:19 AM

FlashHarry: if their own information is correct, the entire group polled was southern, white and over 50.


Or, as Republicans call it, the only Real AmericansTM who'll be allowed to vote this time around, if we have our way.
 
2012-10-04 11:34:28 AM

quid: cry more guys, it's music


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2012-10-04 11:34:59 AM

had98c: HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.

It's pretty straightforward. Victory basically comes from being assertive, sounding like you know what you're talking about, and portraying some semblance of charisma. Regardless of the veracity of his statements, Romney displayed all three of those qualities last night. Obama displayed none. Anyone with a shred of non-bias in them could see it in plain view last night. Romney "won" handily, and it wasn't even remotely close.


I don't subscribe to such theories. If you spend an hour lying about everything, you didn't win, even if you didn't let others talk much.
 
2012-10-04 11:36:04 AM

mrshowrules: CPennypacker: I think Obama was caught so off guard by Mitt basically changing half his policies on live television that he didn't know what to say.

True. I thought the "nevermind" line was good. Are some Conservatives going to be pissed that Romney is softening his stance or is it a "wink wink" moment because they know he is just saying what it takes to get elected.


Obama should have just come out and called him a liar. No one else is gonna do it for him...certainly not the moderator.
 
2012-10-04 11:36:46 AM

Alphax: had98c: HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.

It's pretty straightforward. Victory basically comes from being assertive, sounding like you know what you're talking about, and portraying some semblance of charisma. Regardless of the veracity of his statements, Romney displayed all three of those qualities last night. Obama displayed none. Anyone with a shred of non-bias in them could see it in plain view last night. Romney "won" handily, and it wasn't even remotely close.

I don't subscribe to such theories. If you spend an hour lying about everything, you didn't win, even if you didn't let others talk much.


In the real world that is how it works. Do you think that the nervous guy in the corner who can barely get a word out will be able to pick up the hottest chick at the party? No, the confidant guy who knows what he is saying will score.
 
2012-10-04 11:37:46 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: mrshowrules: CPennypacker: I think Obama was caught so off guard by Mitt basically changing half his policies on live television that he didn't know what to say.

True. I thought the "nevermind" line was good. Are some Conservatives going to be pissed that Romney is softening his stance or is it a "wink wink" moment because they know he is just saying what it takes to get elected.

Obama should have just come out and called him a liar. No one else is gonna do it for him...certainly not the moderator.


you can look forward to that in the next debate. book it. you heard it here first.
you may quote me on that.
 
2012-10-04 11:38:06 AM
The derp is tasty. Even when left derp pundits give Mitt the victory, you morans deny, put your hands over your ears,
imageshack.us
' I can't hear you Lalalalalalalalalalaaaaa'

'Where was Obama? Where?' - Chris Matthews
 
2012-10-04 11:38:50 AM
How I saw the debate:

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2012-10-04 11:39:09 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: The derp is tasty. Even when left derp pundits give Mitt the victory, you morans deny, put your hands over your ears,
[imageshack.us image 288x371]
' I can't hear you Lalalalalalalalalalaaaaa'

'Where was Obama? Where?' - Chris Matthews


Who is denying?
 
2012-10-04 11:40:04 AM
cdn.thedailybeast.com
 
2012-10-04 11:42:13 AM

globalwarmingpraiser: James!: Did anyone change their vote?

No, but it might have swayed low information voters.


Swayed them to do what?
 
2012-10-04 11:42:37 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: mrshowrules: CPennypacker: I think Obama was caught so off guard by Mitt basically changing half his policies on live television that he didn't know what to say.

True. I thought the "nevermind" line was good. Are some Conservatives going to be pissed that Romney is softening his stance or is it a "wink wink" moment because they know he is just saying what it takes to get elected.

Obama should have just come out and called him a liar. No one else is gonna do it for him...certainly not the moderator.


I'm pretty sure they decided not to go there before the debate for whatever reason and Obama stuck with the plan. I think Obama scored on the Medicare stuff with seniors though i you look back at it. That might help him. Romney telling seniors that are going to be happy they they have the flexibility to go to private insurance is not going to over well with most of the.
 
2012-10-04 11:43:30 AM
Jesus, somebody turn on an air purifier or something, all these old Alts getting dusted off are riling up my allergies!
 
2012-10-04 11:44:04 AM

Lando Lincoln: globalwarmingpraiser: James!: Did anyone change their vote?

No, but it might have swayed low information voters.

Swayed them to do what?


Wave gently back and forth.
 
2012-10-04 11:44:07 AM
Romney must have crushed it. Fark has given up on "he'll be lucky if he doesn't shiat his pants on stage" and moved on to Big Bird, Romney lied, and the moderator was bad.
 
2012-10-04 11:44:49 AM

CPennypacker: Lt. Cheese Weasel: The derp is tasty. Even when left derp pundits give Mitt the victory, you morans deny, put your hands over your ears,
[imageshack.us image 288x371]
' I can't hear you Lalalalalalalalalalaaaaa'

'Where was Obama? Where?' - Chris Matthews

Who is denying?


soup: - Lie at least 5 times whenever it's your turn to speak.
- Smirk creepily the entire time it's not your turn to speak.
- Flip-flop on core issues.
- Talk about firing the moderator.

So this is what a Republican "win" looks like, eh?

 
2012-10-04 11:46:34 AM
I hadn't watched it (yet). I don't know what benefit it would do me.
I already know Obama hasn't kept up his promises I find important, and Romney is an untrustworthy human being (also).
So neither deserve my vote.
 
2012-10-04 11:48:14 AM
Romney wins debate as Obama falls flat
Romney brought a chainsaw...
A grown-up has shown up...

/the O's smirk didn't work
 
2012-10-04 11:48:19 AM

js34603: Romney must have crushed it. Fark has given up on "he'll be lucky if he doesn't shiat his pants on stage" and moved on to Big Bird, Romney lied, and the moderator was bad.


It's almost as if we're now AFTER the debate, when people CAN talk about the things that happened instead of speculation.
 
2012-10-04 11:49:02 AM

vernonFL: I agree that Romney "won" because he seemed like a normal human. Obama didn't seem his best


To be fair, it was his anniversary. He probably wanted to get the debate over with so he could spend time with his wife.
 
2012-10-04 11:50:59 AM

js34603: Romney must have crushed it. Fark has given up on "he'll be lucky if he doesn't shiat his pants on stage" and moved on to Big Bird, Romney lied, and the moderator was bad.


Romney did well. He seemed cool under pressure, he talked fast, and he made the moderator his biatch. He did what he does best - he lied convincingly and he made up new policy positions on the fly, which threw Obama off. Today Romney will say that he never said those things and everybody will say, "Oh that Romney!"

Obama did well too, but Romney was definitely more animated.
 
2012-10-04 11:57:03 AM
I'm not too worried. Historically, debates don't change the final outcome all that much. Rmoney may pick up some undecideds but anyone who is firmly in either camp won't be changing their minds, no matter what.

I didn't catch the entire debate but the part I did watch, Romney came across more confident but also like a complete dick, and all that came out of his mouth were talking points we've been hearing for months now, and which have been thoroughly debunked for months now. And oh god do I want to slap that dumb smirk off his face.
 
2012-10-04 11:58:08 AM

CPennypacker: Lt. Cheese Weasel: The derp is tasty. Even when left derp pundits give Mitt the victory, you morans deny, put your hands over your ears,
[imageshack.us image 288x371]
' I can't hear you Lalalalalalalalalalaaaaa'

'Where was Obama? Where?' - Chris Matthews

Who is denying?


"Wheres he at?" 0bama, 2007
 
2012-10-04 11:58:47 AM

James!: Did anyone change their vote?


I did. Retroactively in the future.

You wouldn't understand it. Presidential time travel stuff.
 
2012-10-04 11:58:57 AM
In fairness, the debates are about perception. Romney didn't poop his pants, but he did appear spastic, overbearing, and the take away that folks have is that Obama was calm, and Romney wants to gut PBS and Big Bird.

For the folks who are talking about a "win" in the debates, you have to consider the take away. Romney pretty much cemented in his performance last night, that he's a douche. A douche that doesn't like specifics, and is none too concerned with facts.

As a Conservative, this is a problem for me. Oddly enough, part of that Conservatism is that I like workable plans. I like changes that make economic sense. Romneys plans are nebulous, and in his attempts to spin away from specifics, he sets off a lot of sirens in my head. Mind you, I already had the gentleman as Governor, and remember what his Administration was like. It was a mess, and saddled the state with a LOT of debt, and for all the touting of his accomplishments in education, he left the state in some serious trouble in that department.

What the debates did was help cement each candidate in the minds of the voters. Romney came off spastic and douchey. Obama came off as cool headed and methodical. Which do you think makes me, as a Conservative, feel a bit better just on the personality level? When you couple it with the fiscal radicalism that Romney advocates, I am left with the take away that a Romney Administration will be bad for the nation.

It's not about "winning" on points. It's about the reaction to the candidate and the final thoughts on who these men are. Romney only reinforced the image that I had already. And it's not a good one.
 
2012-10-04 11:59:40 AM

netcentric: Romney wins debate as Obama falls flat
Romney brought a chainsaw...
A grown-up has shown up...

/the O's smirk didn't work


You're a big fan of professional wrestling, aren't you.
 
2012-10-04 11:59:51 AM

CPennypacker: I think Obama was caught so off guard by Mitt basically changing half his policies on live television that he didn't know what to say.


Yeah, Obama should have remembered that Romney's Daily power is Etch-A-Sketch.
 
2012-10-04 12:01:46 PM
cache.gawker.com
 
2012-10-04 12:03:49 PM
Vot

Lando Lincoln: globalwarmingpraiser: James!: Did anyone change their vote?

No, but it might have swayed low information voters.

Swayed them to do what?


Vote Romney and buy a buy here pay here truck cause it is manly.
 
2012-10-04 12:04:29 PM

js34603: Romney must have crushed it. Fark has given up on "he'll be lucky if he doesn't shiat his pants on stage" and moved on to Big Bird, Romney lied, and the moderator was bad.


So does this give Ohio and Florida?
 
2012-10-04 12:06:03 PM
I hear people asking 'when have debates ever mattered?' Well, the last time it was this close going into the debates, in 1980 (Bush was up 11 points going into the debates), they mattered. They mattered in 1960, too. Generally, when it's really close, they matter

/Romney's bar, as is always the case when going against an unpopular (>50% approval rating) incumbent, is not to seem 'unacceptable'. he's still behind, but it's going to be close
 
2012-10-04 12:06:27 PM

mrshowrules: So does this give Ohio and Florida?


I dunno, but I think Mitt sold them a very reliable Chevette with only 260,000 miles.
 
2012-10-04 12:06:58 PM
Mitt won; I gotta give him props on that. Now, if he just stop himself from saying something stupid until November...

/Still voting for the black dude.
 
2012-10-04 12:11:01 PM

tooeasy: I hear people asking 'when have debates ever mattered?' Well, the last time it was this close going into the debates, in 1980 (Bush was up 11 points going into the debates), they mattered. They mattered in 1960, too. Generally, when it's really close, they matter

/Romney's bar, as is always the case when going against an unpopular (>50% approval rating) incumbent, is not to seem 'unacceptable'. he's still behind, but it's going to be close


In 1960 and 1980 they didn't campaign for a year at a stretch like they do today. Nowadays, by the time the conventions are over, very few people haven't already made up their minds.
 
2012-10-04 12:13:53 PM
I fell asleep during the debate and am just now getting up to speed. But my impression was that Obama was really trying hard to pull his punches, possibly to position himself for a final assault in the two coming debates.

I don't know, but if that's all he's got then Romney is going to win simply because he puts up more herty-derp bullshiat.

It doesn't matter to me personally because there's nothing that cocksucking, shake and bake douchebag can say to get me to vote for him. But if Obama can't be any more aggressive than he was last night he deserves to lose.
 
2012-10-04 12:13:57 PM
I was fascinated by this poll last night (at least, I think it was this one). It looked like people who thought Romney won big were a much larger percentage than those who thought Obama won big, but when you factor in people who thought one of the two narrowly won, it was Obama out in front.

In other words, people who were looking for a dick waving contest thought Romney was on top, but people who listened thoughtfully and judiciously favored Obama.
 
2012-10-04 12:14:59 PM
I think the main thing that we learned from last nights debate (and debate thread) is that there are only about 20 Republicans left on Fark.

From 2003-2008, Fark was pretty even in the politics thread. Now it's mostly just a bunch of people agreeing with each other and seeing who can win the coveted "Most Liberal Farker" award.
 
2012-10-04 12:15:12 PM

tooeasy: Well, the last time it was this close going into the debates, in 1980 (Bush was up 11 points going into the debates), they mattered.


Well primary elections are a different story. They did a good job of eliminating some Republican front-runners this time as well. According to Nate Silver, the most that the first debate of the presidential election has swayed the polls since 1976 was 3.6%, and that was in Mondale's favor in 1984 when Reagan was winning in a landslide.
 
2012-10-04 12:15:16 PM

had98c: HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.

It's pretty straightforward. Victory basically comes from being assertive, sounding like you know what you're talking about, and portraying some semblance of charisma. Regardless of the veracity of his statements, Romney displayed all three of those qualities last night. Obama displayed none. Anyone with a shred of non-bias in them could see it in plain view last night. Romney "won" handily, and it wasn't even remotely close.


I agree, and I'm an Obama supporter. He got his ass handed to him. Mostly because of what he didn't do, rather than what Romney did do.
 
2012-10-04 12:15:53 PM

tooeasy: I hear people asking 'when have debates ever mattered?' Well, the last time it was this close going into the debates, in 1980 (Bush was up 11 points going into the debates), they mattered. They mattered in 1960, too. Generally, when it's really close, they matter

/Romney's bar, as is always the case when going against an unpopular (>50% approval rating) incumbent, is not to seem 'unacceptable'. he's still behind, but it's going to be close


That looks wrong.
 
2012-10-04 12:17:07 PM

Lando Lincoln: tooeasy: I hear people asking 'when have debates ever mattered?' Well, the last time it was this close going into the debates, in 1980 (Bush was up 11 points going into the debates), they mattered. They mattered in 1960, too. Generally, when it's really close, they matter

/Romney's bar, as is always the case when going against an unpopular (>50% approval rating) incumbent, is not to seem 'unacceptable'. he's still behind, but it's going to be close

In 1960 and 1980 they didn't campaign for a year at a stretch like they do today. Nowadays, by the time the conventions are over, very few people haven't already made up their minds.


neither side has over 50%, and the polls are within the margin of error. sure, it seems to me that it'd be hard to imagine anybody still being undecided, but they're out there. most likely, this one comes down to turnout and enthusiasm (i'd say obama was in trouble before the conventions, but he had a much better convention than romney had, and erased the enthusiasm gap)
 
2012-10-04 12:18:30 PM

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.

He just controlled the conversation the most. Always got the last word. Steamrolled the moderator.

So just aggression? That's what wins? Content be damned I guess. And here I thought it was a debate.


They haven't been debates for decades.
 
2012-10-04 12:19:12 PM

soup: - Lie at least 5 times whenever it's your turn to speak.
- Smirk creepily the entire time it's not your turn to speak.
- Flip-flop on core issues.
- Talk about firing the moderator.

So this is what a Republican "win" looks like, eh?


I'd add:

- Argue and bully the moderator when you don't get your way
- Always demand the last word, do it even if your demand isn't met
 
2012-10-04 12:20:35 PM

Poopspasm: I was fascinated by this poll last night (at least, I think it was this one). It looked like people who thought Romney won big were a much larger percentage than those who thought Obama won big, but when you factor in people who thought one of the two narrowly won, it was Obama out in front.

In other words, people who were looking for a dick waving contest thought Romney was on top, but people who listened thoughtfully and judiciously favored Obama.


I can't help but laugh when I'm reading a solid post about thoughtfulness and judiciousness, then notice it's written by a guy named "Poopspasm". :P

/Rock on
 
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