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2012-10-04 10:59:08 AM  

Danger Mouse: Without the teleprompter Obama is a bag of hot air. He looked like shiat last night. If Romeny was lying, then why didn't Obama call him on it? why did Obama stand there staring at his hands nodding like a little girl? If Obama was the smartest man in the room, why did he flub the entire debate? What a loser.

What cracks me up is all the libtards in Fark tripping overthemselve to make excuses and dismiss it.

Your emperor has no clothes.


What I dislike: People who take themselves and or FARK a bit too seriously. Not you, of course.
 
2012-10-04 10:59:53 AM  

Tenga: FlashHarry: Tenga: All my Republican friends are sucking each others dicks relentlessly this morning.

literally or figuratively? i mean, they are republicans....

Figuratively, but lunchtime is coming up.


Do NOT go in there. Hold it till after work and stay away from the mens room.
 
2012-10-04 11:00:51 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Reposting what I wrote in the Lehrer thread.


Have no idea why people think Romney "won" the debate. He just repeated the same detail-free platitudes that have been the essence of his entire campaign.

-"My plan is to put people back to work."
-"I'm going to cut taxes, renew the Bush tax cuts, increase defense spending, increase Medicare spending, and solve the deficit at the same time - and I'm somehow going to make this work by eliminating some tax deductions and loopholes, but I'm not going to tell you which ones."
-"I'm going to repeal and replace Obamacare, but I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to replace it with. But trust me, I have a plan."
-"I'm going to repeal and replace Dodd-Frank, but I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to replace it with. But trust me, I have a plan."

How can you win a presidential debate in which you don't give any answers or details about what you actually intend to do as president? His one specific policy proposal that I saw (cut funding for PBS) was about as silly and unserious as you can get. Amateur hour.

As far as I'm concerned, last night's debate just confirmed that Romney is the empty suit with no real ideas that we've seen all along. But I guess because he bullied the moderator and managed not to put his foot in his mouth for the first time in weeks, he "won." Whatever.


Attack attack attack and still say nothing...
 
2012-10-04 11:01:20 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: digistil: tenpoundsofcheese: a poll that over samples democrats

That smells an awful lot like it came out of your brain. Citation needed.

How about this one that came out before the debate?

1,005 polled: 36% Democrat, 29% Republican, 30% Independent

[gillreport.com image 610x480]

Also, can you point out the "racists" in this poll?


That poll was conducted last week. Note the use of the dates Sept. 27-30. It's also a few points off the average for that time period.

The post-debate numbers will likely take a few days.
 
2012-10-04 11:02:00 AM  

theorellior: I know everyone thinks Obama plays the "long game" and all that, but it might have been nice if he'd actually attempted to stem the astounding flood of used-car salesmanship coming from Romney last night.

Rope-a-dope, eh? Well, let's hope that's the game plan here. I certainly didn't see it.


Not sure if there was a bigger Obama strategy. Doubt it but if there was, people "not seeing it" might be one of the critical success factors.
 
2012-10-04 11:02:01 AM  

Danger Mouse: Your emperor has no clothes.


Your Emperor is an empty suit.
 
2012-10-04 11:02:58 AM  

Danger Mouse: Without the teleprompter Obama is a bag of hot air. He looked like shiat last night. If Romeny was lying, then why didn't Obama call him on it? why did Obama stand there staring at his hands nodding like a little girl? If Obama was the smartest man in the room, why did he flub the entire debate? What a loser.

What cracks me up is all the libtards in Fark tripping overthemselve to make excuses and dismiss it.

Your emperor has no clothes.


Romney did better last night, but Obama didn't do horribly. The fact is with the current electoral projections all Obama has to do is not fark up and say some damning soundbite. He can lose all three debates with only moderate, mild responses and so long as he doesn't give advertisement fuel he will probably still maintain a lead even with the debate bump going to Romney.

If Romney is to win, he must bait Obama into saying something damning to grossly sway the election. At this point, the divide is so big that a major gaffe is really all that can save Romney's chances even with stellar performance.

Now, if Romney was as polished and coached at the start of his campaign as he was last night, we would be looking at a very different situation right now with this election.
 
2012-10-04 11:03:20 AM  

kronicfeld: So did John Kerry.


This and, so did Walter Mondale in 1984.

And we know how both turned out.

The problem for Romney is NOW he'll have to tamper down expectations; and with the second debate looming, Obama's going to show his teeth in a bad way towards Romney. Obama can't go over the top however, just be the smiling assassin that he was with McCain in 2008.
 
2012-10-04 11:04:20 AM  

JerseyTim: James!: Did anyone change their vote?

I don't think it's about that. Mitt base is now newly energized. There were stories about donors getting cold feet and now they'll come back aboard again. This election isn't going to be about undecideds. It's going to be about turnout. Mitt went a long way last night to helping his election day turnout.


In a way however, he might have done the same for Obama and his turnout.
 
2012-10-04 11:04:23 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.

He just controlled the conversation the most. Always got the last word. Steamrolled the moderator.

So just aggression? That's what wins? Content be damned I guess. And here I thought it was a debate.


Well, if Obama had done the same, the discussion would be about how he's a "thug" who wants to dictate the debate as well as your health care, yadda yadda yadda.
 
2012-10-04 11:04:27 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: digistil: tenpoundsofcheese: a poll that over samples democrats

That smells an awful lot like it came out of your brain. Citation needed.

How about this one that came out before the debate?

1,005 polled: 36% Democrat, 29% Republican, 30% Independent

[gillreport.com image 610x480]

Also, can you point out the "racists" in this poll?


Do you mean black people? Why would a black person ever vote Republican?
 
2012-10-04 11:06:28 AM  

CPennypacker: Kangaroo_Ralph: digistil: tenpoundsofcheese: a poll that over samples democrats

That smells an awful lot like it came out of your brain. Citation needed.

How about this one that came out before the debate?

1,005 polled: 36% Democrat, 29% Republican, 30% Independent

[gillreport.com image 610x480]

Also, can you point out the "racists" in this poll?

Do you mean black people? Why would a black person ever vote Republican?


Why would a woman? Masochism knows no boundaries.

Well, until you use the safeword.
 
2012-10-04 11:06:30 AM  

JollyMagistrate: So, this CNN poll everyone is talking about? This is the sampling data for the poll:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/10/03/top12.pdf

Some things to consider, this poll only went out to:

-Voters in the south (No other regions of the US were sampled)
-Voters over 50 (no voters under age 50 participated)
-Voters that were white (no minorities of any kind participated)
-Voters that Attended College (No non-college participants recorded)

This poll is insanely skewed. You can see the data for yourself on page 15 of the pdf.

I personally think Romney did better in the debate, but this sort of polling is grossly misleading and shameful.


Also only Conservatices and Moderates.
 
2012-10-04 11:06:53 AM  

XyzzyBob: markie_farkie: 'Winning' the Talking Out Your Ass and Disavowing Everything Spoken on the Campaign Trail categories isn't 'Winning'.

What everyone saw was a glimpse of classic Bain Mitt... The oily, Say Anything guy who relies on his overinflated self-worth and utter lack of integrity to close a deal.

I was truly curious as to how the "left-wingers" viewed the debate. I thought Romney was much more composed, better prepared and basically thought that Obama didn't even show up. I certainly don't, however, think you got a "Bain Mitt".

I think what Romney was throwing out was more his actual, honest to god thoughts on things, and less the political party line that he's been forced to follow for nearly the entirety of the nomination process. It was more "Massachusetts Mitt" and less right-wing derp.

If I were going to base my vote solely on this debate, Romney would have gotten it yesterday. Romney did a decent job in MA, working with a majority of Dems that are not only Dems, but true "Massachusetts Democrats". He certainly has better credentials for dealing with compromise than Obama has mustered over the past 4 years, regardless of where the disagreements come from.

Personally, I saw points from Romney that I had been hoping to see throughout his campaign. Sure he's rich. Sure he sometimes stumbles over himself trying to relate to "the little guy", but he's got ideas, hes' got compassion, and he's not the "RoboMitt" that a vast majority here seem to write him off as.

I was leaning heavily towards voting for Johnson in the election... not so sure now. Obama certainly didn't do himself justice last night... he seemed out of sorts. He'll have to do better than that if he wants to convince me, at least, that he can get things done over the next 4 years.

Just my $0.02... shred it how you will.


So are you voting for "Debate Mitt" or "Entire Rest of the Campaign Mitt"?

We're at a point where I almost expect to see Romney ask the audience to close their eyes and imagine the most perfect leader the United States could ever have. One that has all the qualities and none of the faults. Then he tells them that he will be that President, whatever it was they imagined.

/Also, while their eyes are closed, he'll swipe their 401(k)
 
2012-10-04 11:07:24 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: He "won" in terms of dominating the discussion through bullying the moderator. But he lied out of his a$$ to do it.

Don't expect "Professor Obama" next debate. Same thing happened in 2008...he foolishly gave his opponent the benefit of the doubt. He won't make that mistake again.


Exactly. Obama's going to be assertive, to the point and basically paint Romney as a lying hypocrite come the second debate.
 
2012-10-04 11:08:03 AM  

DarnoKonrad: It was almost the exact same performance with Hillary. I have no clue what the shiat storm is about. I thought Romney was incomprehensible and spastic.


It's all about perception. Romney has been seen as an idiotic clown for months. People overlooked the flaws in his performance, because they were shocked not to see the caricature of him they had formed in their heads. Romney won because he beat expectations.
 
2012-10-04 11:08:06 AM  

Danger Mouse: Without the teleprompter Obama is a bag of hot air. He looked like shiat last night. If Romeny was lying, then why didn't Obama call him on it? why did Obama stand there staring at his hands nodding like a little girl? If Obama was the smartest man in the room, why did he flub the entire debate? What a loser.

What cracks me up is all the libtards in Fark tripping overthemselve to make excuses and dismiss it.

Your emperor has no clothes.


You should throw in the whole 57 states thing too. It's good for a bonus troll bingo square.
 
2012-10-04 11:08:17 AM  

TommyDeuce: We're at a point where I almost expect to see Romney ask the audience to close their eyes and imagine the most perfect leader the United States could ever have. One that has all the qualities and none of the faults. Then he tells them that he will be that President, whatever it was they imagined.


Rmoney: Generic. Republican. Candidate.
 
2012-10-04 11:08:17 AM  

imontheinternet: That poll was conducted last week. Note the use of the dates Sept. 27-30. It's also a few points off the average for that time period.

The post-debate numbers will likely take a few days.


Oh, I know. I was just responding to his request for a poll that oversamples Democrats. Most polls do; probably not intentionally. I personally think it's because Republicans are too busy or leery to answer unknown phone numbers.
 
2012-10-04 11:09:24 AM  

Danger Mouse: Without the teleprompter Obama is a bag of hot air. He looked like shiat last night. If Romeny was lying, then why didn't Obama call him on it? why did Obama stand there staring at his hands nodding like a little girl? If Obama was the smartest man in the room, why did he flub the entire debate? What a loser.

What cracks me up is all the libtards in Fark tripping overthemselve to make excuses and dismiss it.

Your emperor has no clothes.


He did, occassionally. So now retract your post, right? But no, youre a moron just spouting BS like Romney.

If a conservative says Romney won you just ask, "How?" They get mad and cant answer. Thats all you need to know about this debate.
 
2012-10-04 11:10:41 AM  

theorellior: I know everyone thinks Obama plays the "long game" and all that, but it might have been nice if he'd actually attempted to stem the astounding flood of used-car salesmanship coming from Romney last night.

Rope-a-dope, eh? Well, let's hope that's the game plan here. I certainly didn't see it.


Neither did Foreman until the 8th round.
 
2012-10-04 11:12:38 AM  

blastoh: Hack Patooey: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BooBoo23: Seemed to me that Obama was simply baffled by the amount of bullshiat coming from the other side of the stage.

I don't think that anyone on the Obama campaign ever seriously contemplated that Romney would just ignore reality and substitute his own delusions.

That's what I told SWMBO this morning. I think Obama was blindsided by Romney just talking out his ass like what he was saying was both accurate and what he's been saying all along, and wasn't prepared for it. I think Obama was rattled.

Watching it, there were several times when Obama had that "Did he just say THAT?" look on his face.

I also think that Obama is kind of "trapped" a little in that he can't come out and say, "Then stop electing dumb ass republicans to congress who's only motive is to see me be a 1 term president."
Sadly, Obama had to stand there and take responsibility for some of the problems he has been dealing with becuase the republicans have already painted him as someone who won't take responsibility.

However, the campaign, and other democrats can do that starting today.

Also, I Obama was counting on Romney acting more crazy, and was just hoping to get Romney to go on the record with some things he can use against him later.

He did that.


Truthfully he should come out and say exactly that. It worked for another President who had to deal with the same crap. Two of them did it in recent memory.. and won because of it. Roosevelt (Teddy) and Truman.
 
2012-10-04 11:13:39 AM  
Romney doing good in the debates has brought out the right wingers for sure, there are moran fark than I have seen in a long time. He gave them the courage to post on a forum where dissenting views are not deleted by moderators and posters are banned.
 
2012-10-04 11:14:20 AM  
you can see what's happening here. can't you feel it?

sleep tight.
 
2012-10-04 11:15:06 AM  

digistil: tenpoundsofcheese: a poll that over samples democrats

That smells an awful lot like it came out of your brain. Citation needed.


If the number of democrats sampled is greater than zero they have been oversampled.
 
2012-10-04 11:15:36 AM  

Rwa2play: theorellior: I know everyone thinks Obama plays the "long game" and all that, but it might have been nice if he'd actually attempted to stem the astounding flood of used-car salesmanship coming from Romney last night.

Rope-a-dope, eh? Well, let's hope that's the game plan here. I certainly didn't see it.

Neither did Foreman until the 8th round.


Well, let's hope that's the case here.
 
2012-10-04 11:16:09 AM  

Headso: Romney doing good in the debates has brought out the right wingers for sure, there are moran fark than I have seen in a long time.


The Reason?

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www.pr.com
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Alts
 
2012-10-04 11:16:45 AM  

Headso: Romney doing good in the debates has brought out the right wingers for sure, there are moran fark than I have seen in a long time. He gave them the courage to post on a forum where dissenting views are not deleted by moderators and posters are banned.


More like the day-to-day Fark Independents felt comfortable trotting out their old discredited derper accounts.
 
2012-10-04 11:17:40 AM  
Hee-hee. I can hardly *wait* for the Ryan-Biden match (er, debate). Ryan is going to wipe the floor with Joey...
 
2012-10-04 11:18:13 AM  
This looks to be the biggest margin of victory in presidential debate history. Total domination.
 
2012-10-04 11:18:41 AM  

mark12A: Hee-hee. I can hardly *wait* for the Ryan-Biden match (er, debate). Ryan is going to wipe the floor with Joey...


That seems as unlikely as Romney winning last night...which apparently is a thing that happened

/anything is possible I guess
 
2012-10-04 11:19:00 AM  

mrshowrules: Headso: Romney doing good in the debates has brought out the right wingers for sure, there are moran fark than I have seen in a long time. He gave them the courage to post on a forum where dissenting views are not deleted by moderators and posters are banned.

More like the day-to-day Fark Independents felt comfortable trotting out their old discredited derper accounts.


It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

No, really. I'm outraged. My rage is out.
 
2012-10-04 11:19:29 AM  
 
2012-10-04 11:19:41 AM  
cry more guys, it's music
 
2012-10-04 11:19:50 AM  

cman: markie_farkie: 'Winning' the Talking Out Your Ass and Disavowing Everything Spoken on the Campaign Trail categories isn't 'Winning'.

What everyone saw was a glimpse of classic Bain Mitt... The oily, Say Anything guy who relies on his overinflated self-worth and utter lack of integrity to close a deal.

Perception is reality

JFK and Nixon had the first televised Presidential debate. Nixon mopped the floor with JFK, but because of Nixon being ill, JFK was seen as the real winner.

A lot of times it does not matter what is said, just how its said.


In this case it's both seeing as how Romney openly lied about not only President Obama's accomplishments, but his own and what he would try to accomplish as President.
 
2012-10-04 11:20:00 AM  
As a flaming lib, I am disappointed with Obama last night. His performance wasn't fatal, but he seemed as if he got caught off-guard. It was almost as if he'd gotten a little too comfortable watching Romney shoot himself in the foot and forgot that at some point he had to actively campaign against him. Bit of a rude awakening.

Obama is no rookie when it comes to dealing with hairy campaign situations, so he has a good chance to rectify the situation. Fortunately, he erred on the side of caution and Romney didn't have any salient, stand-out quotable moments (other than the Big Bird thing) but I do expect Romney to make modest, fleeting, but important gains in the polls. If anything, he's proven that he's not entirely incompetent and finished a bad streak for his campaign.

In short, Obama had to keep cool but he got chilly instead. And Romney, who desperately needed an orgy, ended up just getting laid.
 
2012-10-04 11:20:51 AM  

Masso: Yeah, Obama did terrible. He could have addressed Romney's bullshiat, but instead he stuck to some rehearsed talking points. $716 Billion was RIGHT THERE for you on a silver plate, multiple times. Obama, the fark were you doing?

Jim Lehrer is the loser, dude couldn't moderate shiat.


Trying to live without the teleprompter.
 
2012-10-04 11:21:35 AM  
According to the ten or so FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD emails from my Republican family today with subject lines like "Top Romney debate lines", Mitt Romney is automatically president now. Obama should just step down.
 
2012-10-04 11:22:44 AM  
That 47% video is still out there making a HUGE stink, Subbo. Rmoney declared class war on nearly half of America.
 
2012-10-04 11:22:46 AM  
I think Obama was caught so off guard by Mitt basically changing half his policies on live television that he didn't know what to say.
 
2012-10-04 11:23:06 AM  

EyeballKid: Headso: Romney doing good in the debates has brought out the right wingers for sure, there are moran fark than I have seen in a long time.

The Reason?

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Alts


I had to check the timestamp to see if that was a simulpost. Off by quite a bit though but I thought exactly what you said.
 
2012-10-04 11:24:03 AM  

JollyMagistrate: So, this CNN poll everyone is talking about? This is the sampling data for the poll:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/10/03/top12.pdf

Some things to consider, this poll only went out to:

-Voters in the south (No other regions of the US were sampled)
-Voters over 50 (no voters under age 50 participated)
-Voters that were white (no minorities of any kind participated)
-Voters that Attended College (No non-college participants recorded)

This poll is insanely skewed. You can see the data for yourself on page 15 of the pdf.

I personally think Romney did better in the debate, but this sort of polling is grossly misleading and shameful.


I hate to burst your bubble but what you said isn't really true.

They didn't have statistically significant data for the other classes. They didn't just sample from the South, or from white voters, or voters that attended college. They chose a cutoff point of maybe 9 or 10%. That's why you see some things +/- 8.5 percentage points, but none 13.5 or something.

It's not skewed, or at least it's not ridiculously skewed. 80% of the respondents were landline though, so they probably skewed older. And they may have asked more people from the south or older people, but not to a disgusting degree. Remember, voters over 50 are much more likely to vote.

Still, the poll questions in particular are interesting. "Who did the best job in the debate?" is not "Who won the debate?"

Overall I don't think this debate is going to do much for Romney, it was a forgettable debate and though Obama did appear less energetic, I don't think it sank his ship. And as others have said, Romney's going to have to stand up to fact checkers.
 
2012-10-04 11:24:05 AM  
Shocking performance by both candidates - Romney came across as mega-competent, mega-informed, energetic, open, and dignified-but-human. Obama seemed almost like a candidate who wanted to lose - worn out, depressed, distracted, rambling, bitter, not charismatic, not convinced of the rightness of his own ideas. Just the physical postures of the two candidates standing at the podiums told the tale. On the other hand, they both seemed to genuinely respect each other and desire to set a different tone than has recently characterized the American political dialog.

The most memorable moment in the debate for me came during Obama's closing statement. A spark of that old 2008 intensity returned to his gaze as he insisted, with that characteristic 'yes we can has cheeseburger' umbrella-mouthed frown, that he had fought for us. My eyes misted up, there... I can really only imagine how true that is, and what sort of circumstances could bring so low such a towering figure. Win or lose, I'll always be grateful to the President for waging that fight. But that's a losing slogan. So is "forward". How about "unite"? How about "love"?
 
2012-10-04 11:24:15 AM  

born_yesterday: mrshowrules: Headso: Romney doing good in the debates has brought out the right wingers for sure, there are moran fark than I have seen in a long time. He gave them the courage to post on a forum where dissenting views are not deleted by moderators and posters are banned.

More like the day-to-day Fark Independents felt comfortable trotting out their old discredited derper accounts.

It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

No, really. I'm outraged. My rage is out.


Mine's out to but it's starting to get cold.
 
2012-10-04 11:25:07 AM  

Danger Mouse: Without the teleprompter Obama is a bag of hot air. He looked like shiat last night. If Romeny was lying, then why didn't Obama call him on it? why did Obama stand there staring at his hands nodding like a little girl? If Obama was the smartest man in the room, why did he flub the entire debate? What a loser.

What cracks me up is all the libtards in Fark tripping overthemselve to make excuses and dismiss it.

Your emperor has no clothes.


God, you're right. I've been so wrong, I'm going to go early vote for Romney right now. I've always sort of wanted to live as a serf in a feudal society. I hope my local noble isn't too capricious.
 
2012-10-04 11:25:36 AM  
Romney lied 27 times in 38 minutes

Even the former record-holder, used car salesman Earl Schmittenhauer from Dongola IL, was impressed with that performance.
 
2012-10-04 11:25:46 AM  

CPennypacker: I think Obama was caught so off guard by Mitt basically changing half his policies on live television that he didn't know what to say.


True. I thought the "nevermind" line was good. Are some Conservatives going to be pissed that Romney is softening his stance or is it a "wink wink" moment because they know he is just saying what it takes to get elected.
 
2012-10-04 11:27:24 AM  

TommyDeuce: Danger Mouse: Without the teleprompter Obama is a bag of hot air. He looked like shiat last night. If Romeny was lying, then why didn't Obama call him on it? why did Obama stand there staring at his hands nodding like a little girl? If Obama was the smartest man in the room, why did he flub the entire debate? What a loser.

What cracks me up is all the libtards in Fark tripping overthemselve to make excuses and dismiss it.

Your emperor has no clothes.

God, you're right. I've been so wrong, I'm going to go early vote for Romney right now. I've always sort of wanted to live as a serf in a feudal society. I hope my local noble isn't too capricious.


I shall rule you with a hard but loving fist, TommyDeuce.
 
2012-10-04 11:27:48 AM  
We actually now live in a world where Big Bird is more at risk of being taken off the air than Honey Boo Boo Child!

Let that horrible fact sink in, and begin screaming.
 
2012-10-04 11:30:21 AM  

markie_farkie: 'Winning' the Talking Out Your Ass and Disavowing Everything Spoken on the Campaign Trail categories isn't 'Winning'.

What everyone saw was a glimpse of classic Bain Mitt... The oily, Say Anything guy who relies on his overinflated self-worth and utter lack of integrity to close a deal.


www.egyptianagriculture.comOh look, it's just a river.
 
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