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2012-10-04 10:18:01 AM
I'm glad Mitt won the debate. It might give him something to cling to, on those cold winter nights, when he can't sleep and slowly begins to realize that he isn't a real person, just a hollow shell desperately seeking the approval of those around him. Haunted by his fathers disdain, unable to ever be popular enough, or rich enough to outrun the pain, maybe winning the debate will sustain him when he drops the bottle of jack and reaches for the revolver on the side table.....


I pity the man. I really do.
 
2012-10-04 10:18:44 AM

cman: markie_farkie: 'Winning' the Talking Out Your Ass and Disavowing Everything Spoken on the Campaign Trail categories isn't 'Winning'.

What everyone saw was a glimpse of classic Bain Mitt... The oily, Say Anything guy who relies on his overinflated self-worth and utter lack of integrity to close a deal.

Perception is reality

JFK and Nixon had the first televised Presidential debate. Nixon mopped the floor with JFK, but because of Nixon being ill, JFK was seen as the real winner.

A lot of times it does not matter what is said, just how its said.


Sadly, this.

That said, I don't see this debate hurting Obama that much.
 
2012-10-04 10:18:46 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.


It's pretty straightforward. Victory basically comes from being assertive, sounding like you know what you're talking about, and portraying some semblance of charisma. Regardless of the veracity of his statements, Romney displayed all three of those qualities last night. Obama displayed none. Anyone with a shred of non-bias in them could see it in plain view last night. Romney "won" handily, and it wasn't even remotely close.
 
2012-10-04 10:18:46 AM

markie_farkie: lack of integrity


It's made him an ungodly, INSANELY wealthy human being.
 
2012-10-04 10:18:49 AM
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2012-10-04 10:19:24 AM
It is the Sarah Palin formula. As long as you don't stab yourself in the back, or put your foot in your own mouth during the debate, you are a winner.

Someone really needs to create a video of Mitt flippling like a flatjack on every issue. Just use Gov Mitt, Canidate Mitt, and Debater Mitt, and people will learn he has no credibility, cannot be trusted, and will say anything to get want he wants
 
2012-10-04 10:19:28 AM

soy_bomb: How about Big Bird paying his own bills with his merchandising income.


How about the majority of PBS funding coming from the public not from the feds (or china)?
 
2012-10-04 10:19:29 AM

Amos Quito: BooBoo23: Seemed to me that Obama was simply baffled by the amount of bullshiat coming from the other side of the stage. Yes, the fact-checkers will tear Mitt a new one, but the impression has already been made.



Baffling with bullshiat is the name of the game in politics.


Republicans, and especially Mitt, turned the bullshiat dial to eleven in '08, and haven't stopped turning the dial since. They are slime, even compared to past politicians.
 
2012-10-04 10:19:31 AM

soy_bomb: nyseattitude: [img1.fark.net image 54x11]Romney vows public execution of Big Bird, concentration camp for Snuffaluffagus

How about Big Bird paying his own bills with his merchandising income.


How about Romney showing us how he intends to pay for his economic plans with something more realistic than fishing through the national couch cushions for lost change?
 
2012-10-04 10:19:34 AM

utharda: I'm glad Mitt won the debate. It might give him something to cling to, on those cold winter nights, when he can't sleep and slowly begins to realize that he isn't a real person, just a hollow shell desperately seeking the approval of those around him. Haunted by his fathers disdain, unable to ever be popular enough, or rich enough to outrun the pain, maybe winning the debate will sustain him when he drops the bottle of jack and reaches for the revolver on the side table.....


I pity the man. I really do.


That's the sort of congratulations speech I want at my retirement.
 
2012-10-04 10:19:53 AM
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2012-10-04 10:19:57 AM

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.

He just controlled the conversation the most. Always got the last word. Steamrolled the moderator.


So just aggression? That's what wins? Content be damned I guess. And here I thought it was a debate.
 
2012-10-04 10:20:31 AM
If my conspiracy theory about Mossad doing some serious bullshiat yesterday that they knew American intelligence would pick up on and would get to the president before the debate - or some such - isn't a correct explanation for what was distracting him, then I can only conclude that Obama was just doing what has seemed to work so far: Keep it under control, stick to the usual boring talking points and let Mitt come out swinging and say something stupid.

The thing is, Mitt did say some stupid shiat, but he did it in a convincing way that is sure to fool the dumbass undecideds who probably spend their freetime obsessing over their antique shoehorn collections and watching Honey Boo Boo instead of finetuning their bullshiat detectors. And for the same reasons, they probably won't follow up on the facts- and the GOP knows it.

Obama let it all happen for reasons only he knows.
 
2012-10-04 10:20:34 AM
I could rattle off about 3 dozen farkers who could have done better than Obama did last night. And most them aren't even my alts.
 
2012-10-04 10:20:43 AM
He won because he didn't fail miserably. Who cares anyway, he thinks getting rid of Sesame Street will balance the budget.
 
2012-10-04 10:20:59 AM
Romney definitely wins the bullshiat award and the accuse your opponent of what you're doing medal. (His cute little reference to his boys saying something that isn't true while Obama was skewering his tax policy which apparently isn't his tax policy because he's quantum Mitt!)
 
2012-10-04 10:21:15 AM

globalwarmingpraiser: True swing voters are personality people. Romney looked like a decisive and powerful man. Considering war with Iran is coming that is likely a selling point.


Maybe better to just elect the people that aren't going to rush into war with Iran instead...
 
2012-10-04 10:21:30 AM
love how 0bama said that his goal is to have everyone get their fair share.

then he stumbled away trying to fix that

you would think that he would do a lot better with the closing statement, the one thing he can control.

67 to 25 in a poll that over samples democrats

if it were a fair and balanced poll, and the moderator gave as much time to Romney and didn't feel threatened by the PBS funding being pulled.
 
2012-10-04 10:21:50 AM

FlashHarry: CNN's internals (pdf)

if their own information is correct, the entire group polled was southern, white and over 50. hardly obama-friendly in the first place.


Yeah, this needs to be stressed a little bit more. I don't think the general perception of who won the debate would change, but only asking white southerners over the age of 50 with some college education and who only identify themselves as moderate or conservative is not a good representative sample of the country as a whole.
 
2012-10-04 10:21:57 AM
Romney supports war with Iran. Obama doesn't.

There are people in this country who look forward to war with Iran like a new bicycle on Christmas morning. But in the end it will be other people's loved ones who go half way round the world to fight in Iran. 1.5 million military were put into Iraq, a country one fourth the size of Iran. Look through your family and friends and count how many will be drafted to fight in a war Romney won't send his children into.

Some of your loved ones won't come back from Iran; some will come back shattered; some will come back and fit right back into life here. But in the end, it will be a war that was lusted after by a rich few, that was not necessary, that was not fought by the ones who wanted it so bad, and a war that ruined innocent lives at home and around the world.

The choice between Romney and Obama is a choice to find an excuse for war with Iran or to find an end to another war. Vote in Romney and an excuse to invade Iran will appear someday soon. Just like it did with the Gulf of Tonkin and Vietnam. And the people who voted for Romney will look at the story in the media and say "Well, I didn't see that coming but we have to go into Iran now."

Well, consider yourselves warned. You want slaughter? Romney will give it to you and yours and countless innocents.
 
2012-10-04 10:21:58 AM

Diogenes: I think there are a whole lot of people on both sides that need to step back, get a grip, and get some perspective.



Said like someone who can't stand that his guy lost and Big Bird is gonna die and that Romneycare was bi-partisan and that....uh...you know, can we just have a beer and cuddle now?
 
2012-10-04 10:22:19 AM

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.

He just controlled the conversation the most. Always got the last word. Steamrolled the moderator.

So just aggression? That's what wins? Content be damned I guess. And here I thought it was a debate.


Look at the most important debate moments over the past 4 decades. How many of them are when one candidate put forth excellent policy ideas and how many are pithy one liners and showmanship. Don't think of it as a debate, think of it as a candidate advertisement.
 
2012-10-04 10:22:29 AM
90 minutes of exchanging talking points is far more important than what the policies do to our quality of life in the United States.
 
2012-10-04 10:22:31 AM

globalwarmingpraiser: James!: Did anyone change their vote?

No, but it might have swayed low information voters.



I think it's more about unlikely voters.  Will Mitt's performance last night convince someone who wasn't going to bother to show up in November. 
 
Romney is also going to get brutalized in the media over the next week for the lying. 
 
2012-10-04 10:22:55 AM
I agree that Mitt won the debate simply from perception. He didn't say anything of substance at all though.
 
2012-10-04 10:22:56 AM
That settles it. I'm voting for Romney. Thanks for the heads up.
 
2012-10-04 10:23:03 AM

Magnetar: If my conspiracy theory about Mossad doing some serious bullshiat yesterday that they knew American intelligence would pick up on and would get to the president before the debate - or some such - isn't a correct explanation for what was distracting him, then I can only conclude that Obama was just doing what has seemed to work so far: Keep it under control, stick to the usual boring talking points and let Mitt come out swinging and say something stupid.


Put down the crack pipe, dude.

Next thing you will be telling me is that the Lizard people were responsible for the 7-7 attacks in the UK
 
2012-10-04 10:23:04 AM

LordJiro: Amos Quito: BooBoo23: Seemed to me that Obama was simply baffled by the amount of bullshiat coming from the other side of the stage. Yes, the fact-checkers will tear Mitt a new one, but the impression has already been made.



Baffling with bullshiat is the name of the game in politics.

Republicans, and especially Mitt, turned the bullshiat dial to eleven in '08, and haven't stopped turning the dial since. They are slime, even compared to past politicians.



It is the natural evolution of all political animals
 
2012-10-04 10:23:47 AM
He always reverted back to what he did in his state. Of course Massachusetts has all this wonderful healthcare and schools, it's like the richest state in the union, right? It's like going to a racetrack, getting handed the best car, then saying you got the fastest lap because you're the best driver *rollseyes*.
 
2012-10-04 10:23:54 AM
Doesn't change my vote.

This is what happens when an unemployed guy with plenty of time interviews for a job against someone who works 16 hrs a day and has to campaign and simultaneously run the free world. If Obama seemed tired maybe he was simply tired. You can't just stop being the President because you have a debate. That was the difference in 'energy'.

Romney had nothing substantive to say except, 'you'll see'. His policies are all wishy washy bullshiat. State by state healthcare would be a farking mess. His tax policy is total bullshiat.

Certainly Romney will get a boost in the polls, because people are stupid sheep and buy into the bullying crap as true leadership and the news media needs ratings and money and a tight race does that.

What I saw out there was a petulant child who had to have the last word on every single issue, who wouldn't shut up, who told lie after lie. That's what you're going to get in Romney. A bunch of lies and a guy who won't know when to STFU.
 
2012-10-04 10:24:04 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Romney supports war with Iran. Obama doesn't.

There are people in this country who look forward to war with Iran like a new bicycle on Christmas morning. But in the end it will be other people's loved ones who go half way round the world to fight in Iran. 1.5 million military were put into Iraq, a country one fourth the size of Iran. Look through your family and friends and count how many will be drafted to fight in a war Romney won't send his children into.

Some of your loved ones won't come back from Iran; some will come back shattered; some will come back and fit right back into life here. But in the end, it will be a war that was lusted after by a rich few, that was not necessary, that was not fought by the ones who wanted it so bad, and a war that ruined innocent lives at home and around the world.

The choice between Romney and Obama is a choice to find an excuse for war with Iran or to find an end to another war. Vote in Romney and an excuse to invade Iran will appear someday soon. Just like it did with the Gulf of Tonkin and Vietnam. And the people who voted for Romney will look at the story in the media and say "Well, I didn't see that coming but we have to go into Iran now."

Well, consider yourselves warned. You want slaughter? Romney will give it to you and yours and countless innocents.


Romney is a two faced asshole. We really do not know if he actually does support a war with Iran or if he is just playing to his base to get votes.
 
2012-10-04 10:24:07 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.


Apparently Mitt looked "at ease", "confident", and "fluent in all things Obama" last night.

media.theweek.com
Here he is about to *CONFIDENTLY* shoot his eye lasers as Jim Lehrer.

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And here's Mitt showing how EASY it would be to smother big bird with a pillow.

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This is Mitt displaying his Obama-fluency by demonstrating how wide he'd have to open his mouth to swallow the president's dong.
 
2012-10-04 10:24:10 AM
Sounds like Obama was the statesman and maintained his stance of civility and cooperation with Republicans...f*ckin' dumbass.
 
2012-10-04 10:24:11 AM

Lost Thought 00: JerseyTim: James!: Did anyone change their vote?

I don't think it's about that. Mitt base is now newly energized. There were stories about donors getting cold feet and now they'll come back aboard again. This election isn't going to be about undecideds. It's going to be about turnout. Mitt went a long way last night to helping his election day turnout.

Similarly, I'll bet Obama's donations have completely dried up. He's going to have to spend valuable campaign time doing fundraisers instead


This could be the biggest impact that this debate has. Mitt very well may get a huge influx of cash, Obama may or may not lose money but he didn't do himself any favors. Watch Ohio polls, that's the only state that's polling well outside the margin of error. If it moves more than a few points than we can be pretty sure that the debate had an impact.
 
2012-10-04 10:24:18 AM

markie_farkie: 'Winning' the Talking Out Your Ass and Disavowing Everything Spoken on the Campaign Trail categories isn't 'Winning'.

What everyone saw was a glimpse of classic Bain Mitt... The oily, Say Anything guy who relies on his overinflated self-worth and utter lack of integrity to close a deal.


I was truly curious as to how the "left-wingers" viewed the debate. I thought Romney was much more composed, better prepared and basically thought that Obama didn't even show up. I certainly don't, however, think you got a "Bain Mitt".

I think what Romney was throwing out was more his actual, honest to god thoughts on things, and less the political party line that he's been forced to follow for nearly the entirety of the nomination process. It was more "Massachusetts Mitt" and less right-wing derp.

If I were going to base my vote solely on this debate, Romney would have gotten it yesterday. Romney did a decent job in MA, working with a majority of Dems that are not only Dems, but true "Massachusetts Democrats". He certainly has better credentials for dealing with compromise than Obama has mustered over the past 4 years, regardless of where the disagreements come from.

Personally, I saw points from Romney that I had been hoping to see throughout his campaign. Sure he's rich. Sure he sometimes stumbles over himself trying to relate to "the little guy", but he's got ideas, hes' got compassion, and he's not the "RoboMitt" that a vast majority here seem to write him off as.

I was leaning heavily towards voting for Johnson in the election... not so sure now. Obama certainly didn't do himself justice last night... he seemed out of sorts. He'll have to do better than that if he wants to convince me, at least, that he can get things done over the next 4 years.

Just my $0.02... shred it how you will.
 
2012-10-04 10:24:27 AM

James!: Romney is also going to get brutalized in the media over the next week for the lying.


good one
 
2012-10-04 10:24:38 AM
He "won" in terms of dominating the discussion through bullying the moderator. But he lied out of his a$$ to do it.

Don't expect "Professor Obama" next debate. Same thing happened in 2008...he foolishly gave his opponent the benefit of the doubt. He won't make that mistake again.
 
2012-10-04 10:24:40 AM

JerseyTim: James!: Did anyone change their vote?

I don't think it's about that. Mitt base is now newly energized. There were stories about donors getting cold feet and now they'll come back aboard again. This election isn't going to be about undecideds. It's going to be about turnout. Mitt went a long way last night to helping his election day turnout.


I gotta slightly disagree with you there, the big money donors who need to bank on a winner will be less reluctant to whip out the check books now (not that that has been a problem for Romney) but last night he sounded a lot like a the Moderate Republican he pretended to be in Mass (the same RINO the base accused him of being early in the primary) and the fact he returned to those seemingly moderate talking points isn't going to go over well with the base.

Not that it proves anything, but I've been listening to a few of the folks at my work talk about it (the ones who actually watched the debates) and the middle of the road folks thought both Obama and Romney sounded exactly the same, with little to know difference between them, and the two PaulTard/TeaTards in my department are both fuming over the fact Romney said business needed to be regulated 5 times last night.
 
2012-10-04 10:24:54 AM
when romney said, "of course, i prefer private insurance," i wanted obama to retort, "well, you can afford it; most americans can't." that would've been a great "zinger." but he left it alone. why?
 
2012-10-04 10:24:56 AM

had98c: It's pretty straightforward. Victory basically comes from being the Underdog

 
2012-10-04 10:25:03 AM

threedingers: Also known as the Gish Gallop.


TheMoreYouKnow.jpg.

/thanks!
 
2012-10-04 10:25:17 AM
Ron Pau

Headso: globalwarmingpraiser: True swing voters are personality people. Romney looked like a decisive and powerful man. Considering war with Iran is coming that is likely a selling point.

Maybe better to just elect the people that aren't going to rush into war with Iran instead...


Ron Paul is out and no third party will win. Lets enjoy the end of the America of freedom.
 
2012-10-04 10:25:21 AM
I couldn't help but think that event Mitt's promises to his base are empty.

1. He won't repeal Obamacare.
2. He won't repeal DADT.
3. He won't repeal Dodd-Frank.
4. He can't do a damn thing about abortion.

He just wants to win. What he does once he gets there is a mystery. Probably just push for lower taxes for the job creators because people have bought into the idea that you can create labor through supply and not demand.
 
2012-10-04 10:25:30 AM

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.

He just controlled the conversation the most. Always got the last word. Steamrolled the moderator.

So just aggression? That's what wins? Content be damned I guess. And here I thought it was a debate.


This is America. A huge part of the population here does not care about content. They don't understand content. They don't want content. That's half the reason we're as skizza-boned as we are now.
 
2012-10-04 10:25:35 AM
There are a lot of smart Farkers here, but am I the only one who realizes that they are all part of the same ruling-class elite team, and that this is all just a big dog and pony show they are orchestrating? The only difference between U.S.A. and Korea North is that the people at the top in the U.S.A. took the Nazis' ideas about using mass media to control their peasants to heart, and are much better at fooling their people. How many times will your government attack and kill your own citizens before you wake up, sheeple? I mean seriously... the Haymarket Affair, Tuskeegee, MK Ultra, NAMBLA, 9/11, and now this Son of Bapp guy. And you will all just keep financing it by letting them steal from your paychecks everyday. How many times does a major communications mechanism get taken down in the middle of a Presidential debate the day after they try to tell you that your wave-blocking cranial apparatus is useless? Reddit didn't crash, but then again the Canadians have real freedom. Freedom from socialist health care, and they will be the true heroes who fight the Zionist controllers while you are still taking wafers at temple. For shame.
 
2012-10-04 10:25:39 AM

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Quantify "won".

I can't even tell what the victory condition for these debates are.

He just controlled the conversation the most. Always got the last word. Steamrolled the moderator.

So just aggression? That's what wins? Content be damned I guess. And here I thought it was a debate.


"Winning" here is purely perception.
 
2012-10-04 10:25:54 AM
Obama didn't have a chance. He can't run on his record, since his record is abysmal. He can't run on his promises of the future, since he already did that once, and he hasn't delivered.

He simply didn't know what to do yesterday. Every time he made a new promise the question everyone asked themselves, was, well Mr President, why haven't you already done that? You've had four years. And what exactly have you done?

Romney completely dominated the stage. Romney can run on his record of being a job creator both as a businessman and as a governor.

Obama just can't win as an incumbent. i understand why he won in 08, he had good stage presence and had great speechwriters and offered "hope and change". But he simply hasn't delivered on his promises. It will not work this time.

This time it's Romney that is offering change.
 
2012-10-04 10:26:00 AM

Hack Patooey: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BooBoo23: Seemed to me that Obama was simply baffled by the amount of bullshiat coming from the other side of the stage.

I don't think that anyone on the Obama campaign ever seriously contemplated that Romney would just ignore reality and substitute his own delusions.

That's what I told SWMBO this morning. I think Obama was blindsided by Romney just talking out his ass like what he was saying was both accurate and what he's been saying all along, and wasn't prepared for it. I think Obama was rattled.


Watching it, there were several times when Obama had that "Did he just say THAT?" look on his face.

I also think that Obama is kind of "trapped" a little in that he can't come out and say, "Then stop electing dumb ass republicans to congress who's only motive is to see me be a 1 term president."
Sadly, Obama had to stand there and take responsibility for some of the problems he has been dealing with becuase the republicans have already painted him as someone who won't take responsibility.

However, the campaign, and other democrats can do that starting today.

Also, I Obama was counting on Romney acting more crazy, and was just hoping to get Romney to go on the record with some things he can use against him later.

He did that.
 
2012-10-04 10:26:09 AM
It's cool, Obama lost the Eye of the Tiger. He just needs to train with Apollo Creed and get it back:

whatever-dude.com
 
2012-10-04 10:26:25 AM

James!: Romney is also going to get brutalized in the media over the next week for the lying.


Riiiiiiiight, the same way he's been battered for cheating on his taxes for 10+ years, dealing with shady officials and possible bribery in the Utahlympics, and his position in a pyramid scheme/cult passing itself off as a legitimate faith.

I think David Gregory will more likely fetch Mitt his favorite slippers and pipe the next time he interviews him.
 
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