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(Biloxi Sun Herald)   Some ambitious urban farmer planted two football fields worth of weed on Chicago's South Side   (sunherald.com ) divider line
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2012-10-04 11:38:52 AM  

Lehk: bhcompy: when it's legal and commercialized the Mexican Mafia is still going to want theirs, still can provide the best price

are you smoking bath salts?

once legalized the best price will be from altria (phillip morris) and diageo guinness.

they already have the infrastructure and experience in distributing and securing such products, they will be in the tobacco case right next to the cigs and in the liquor stores behind the counter


Perhaps, but tobacco takes a lot more preparation. When you grow on public lands, which is rampant in the west, you don't have a lot of the same infrastructure costs, either. I'm sure someone somewhere has done cost projections on this, but I'd be willing to bet that it would be at least competitive for the black market. Plus, you're talking about things like taxes. There's no way that states aren't going to tax it like they do cigarettes(average tax per pack in the US is $1.77), which is something a black market doesn't have to worry about.
 
2012-10-04 11:43:15 AM  

bhcompy: Pretty common here out west. If there's public or private land that can hide something with natural geography or a tree line buildup or something else you can bet that someone is going to try to grow marijuana in it. Of course, you get people like the ones in this thread that talk about how marijuana didn't kill anyone and prohibition is bad, but I'm not sure they understand that when it's legal and commercialized the Mexican Mafia is still going to want theirs, still can provide the best price(like beer snobs, pot snobs make up a small percentage of the pot smoking population), and will still kill people over marijuana.


What, you don't believe in the free market? Wal-Mart has proven that Americans will buy the cheap crap to save a buck. Call it the "Bud Light Principle."
 
2012-10-04 11:44:20 AM  

ongbok: Sybarite: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: santadog: 10 Million... for 1500 plants.

Well, to be fair, they DID say "up to 10 million". So, pretty much any dollar amount under that is still accurate.

Also, this is 2012. Can we please stop using the football field as a unit of measurement? It's embarrassing.


Yes, why would we want to use a measurement that pretty much every American can immediately visualize? We should switch to giving area estimates in hectares immediately!

The funny thing is in Europe they would probably also say two football fields to describe the size also instead of using hectares also.



I've read at least one article out of the UK using "size of a football pitch."
 
2012-10-04 12:05:49 PM  

Leeds: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: drayno76: bikerbob: If


Maybe you need to meet more police officers and their families.

So are you suggesting that absolute power doesn't always corrupt, or are you just pretending that good cops exist?


I'm suggesting that the sample size of "a few" is too small to derive accurate conclusions about the whole.
 
2012-10-04 12:06:13 PM  

bhcompy: Lehk: bhcompy: when it's legal and commercialized the Mexican Mafia is still going to want theirs, still can provide the best price

are you smoking bath salts?

once legalized the best price will be from altria (phillip morris) and diageo guinness.

they already have the infrastructure and experience in distributing and securing such products, they will be in the tobacco case right next to the cigs and in the liquor stores behind the counter

Perhaps, but tobacco takes a lot more preparation. When you grow on public lands, which is rampant in the west, you don't have a lot of the same infrastructure costs, either. I'm sure someone somewhere has done cost projections on this, but I'd be willing to bet that it would be at least competitive for the black market. Plus, you're talking about things like taxes. There's no way that states aren't going to tax it like they do cigarettes(average tax per pack in the US is $1.77), which is something a black market doesn't have to worry about.


Hard liquor is taxed high, too. It's also a fairly easy process to make it at home. Even IF there was any homemade liquor market anywhere around here, I'd rather pay for the legit stuff that is consistent quality and won't land my ass in jail for buying it.
 
2012-10-04 12:07:09 PM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Leeds: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: drayno76: bikerbob: If


Maybe you need to meet more police officers and their families.

So are you suggesting that absolute power doesn't always corrupt, or are you just pretending that good cops exist?

I'm suggesting that the sample size of "a few" is too small to derive accurate conclusions about the whole.


Fark hates cops, even the good ones (that apparently don't exist). Get over it.

/son of a retired cop
 
2012-10-04 12:08:30 PM  
Really? No one yet? I am disappoint.

www.yourentertainmentcorner.com
 
2012-10-04 12:08:52 PM  
So, what do the Federales do after this November? Override the will of the people? Ignore the state laws and still go after large growers? Or do they finally follow the Portugal model? I can't wait for Hemp production to really get going again! Hemp for Victory!
 
2012-10-04 12:15:51 PM  

sodomizer: Why don't we just legalize this stuff in California, and send all the stoners there?


Because we are going to try and legalize it here in Colorado. Who wants to live in Cali?

SUMMARY OF THE CANNABIS RE-LEGALIZATION ACT
The Legalize2012.com amendment is called the "Cannabis Re-Legalization Act", and it amends the Colorado Constitution with a new article that re-legalizes cannabis for all uses in Colorado for any citizen 18 years of age and older. It removes all criminal penalties and gives control of cannabis to the people through an independent commission. The goals of this
article are to:
(1) Create a fundamental right to personal cannabis use in Colorado.
(2) Allow personal cannabis use by adults without punishment or discrimination.
(3) Allow commercial cannabis use without restrictions that are onerous or burdensome.
(4) Repeal all criminal statutes and rules that punish or discriminate against the personal and commercial use of cannabis, while leaving other parts of those statutes in effect.
(5) Replace the racist words "marijuana" and "marihuana" with the scientifically-accurate word "cannabis".
(6) Create the Colorado Cannabis Commission to implement this article.
(7) Prohibit the personal and commercial use of cannabis by persons under the age of 18.
(8) Allow existing medical marijuana providers to stay in business.
(9) Require the commercial cannabis industry to self-regulate.
(10) Prohibit the federal government from enforcing federal marijuana laws on Colorado citizens by:
(a) making cannabis a fundamental and absolute right in our Constitution;
(b) requiring the attorney general to file lawsuits against the federal government;
(c) prohibiting state resources from being spent to assist federal marijuana investigations;
(d) providing funding to the commission to, at their discretion, assist Colorado citizens in their legal defense if the federal government threatens to punish them for violating the provisions of this article;
(e) requiring the attorney general to notify the federal government that cannabis needs to be removed from the federal schedule of controlled substances; and
(f) protecting a citizen's right against self-incrimination in federal marijuana crimes as guaranteed by section 18 of article II of this constitution and the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
(11) Require a 2% sales tax on cannabis to fund the commission, require any other tax to be approved by voters, and limit total taxes on cannabis to a maximum of 10%.
(12) Require and authorize the governor, attorney general, general assembly and state agencies to implement this article.
(13) Investigate, impeach or remove from office any state official that does not uphold and enforce this article.
(14) Allow only the use of evidence-based performance tests to be used to determine impairment by cannabis.
(15) Create an affirmative defense to cannabis prosecutions.
 
2012-10-04 12:18:15 PM  
 
2012-10-04 12:18:29 PM  

santadog: sodomizer: Why don't we just legalize this stuff in California, and send all the stoners there?

Because we are going to try and legalize it here in Colorado. Who wants to live in Cali?

SUMMARY OF THE CANNABIS RE-LEGALIZATION ACT
The Legalize2012.com amendment is called the "Cannabis Re-Legalization Act", and it amends the Colorado Constitution with a new article that re-legalizes cannabis for all uses in Colorado for any citizen 18 years of age and older. It removes all criminal penalties and gives control of cannabis to the people through an independent commission. The goals of this
article are to:
(1) Create a fundamental right to personal cannabis use in Colorado.
(2) Allow personal cannabis use by adults without punishment or discrimination.
(3) Allow commercial cannabis use without restrictions that are onerous or burdensome.
(4) Repeal all criminal statutes and rules that punish or discriminate against the personal and commercial use of cannabis, while leaving other parts of those statutes in effect.
(5) Replace the racist words "marijuana" and "marihuana" with the scientifically-accurate word "cannabis".
(6) Create the Colorado Cannabis Commission to implement this article.
(7) Prohibit the personal and commercial use of cannabis by persons under the age of 18.
(8) Allow existing medical marijuana providers to stay in business.
(9) Require the commercial cannabis industry to self-regulate.
(10) Prohibit the federal government from enforcing federal marijuana laws on Colorado citizens by:
(a) making cannabis a fundamental and absolute right in our Constitution;
(b) requiring the attorney general to file lawsuits against the federal government;
(c) prohibiting state resources from being spent to assist federal marijuana investigations;
(d) providing funding to the commission to, at their discretion, assist Colorado citizens in their legal defense if the federal government threatens to punish them for violating the provisions of this article;
(e) requiring th ...


Brings a tear to my eye. It's....so beautiful.
 
2012-10-04 12:24:22 PM  
Wellp, this will only increase violence in the city.

/gud jerb cops
 
2012-10-04 12:30:50 PM  
Santadog:
Re: The Cannabis Re-legalization Act

Thanks!, BRAVO!
Buena Suerte Colorado!
 
2012-10-04 12:32:22 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: The problem is that the culture of law enforcement is that officers of the law, prosecutors and our so-called "leaders" take any transgression of their precious "rules" personally, and that this are an insult that requires vengeance.


This.
Got a ticket for lapsed registration once. The officer seemed actually pissed off and angry at me.
 
2012-10-04 12:48:07 PM  

Mark Ratner: Those involved with narcotics, whether it is marijuana, heroin or cocaine, purchase firearms with their profits and have shown they're willing to use them to protect their business, he said.

"That's where the violence comes in, the competition for the markets," he said.

Yep, sounds like prohibition to me.


I assumed by "those involved with narcotics" he meant the police.
 
2012-10-04 12:58:12 PM  
 
2012-10-04 01:10:45 PM  
The War on Drugs "civil forfeiture" provisions have made cops and district attorney offices reliant on thievery, and made a mockery of the US Constitution.

I don't care how anti-drug you are, this is not a fair or reasonable trade.
 
2012-10-04 01:19:39 PM  
And people say stoners don't work hard.
 
2012-10-04 01:30:10 PM  

tekmo: The War on Drugs "civil forfeiture" provisions have made cops and district attorney offices reliant on thievery, and made a mockery of the US Constitution.

I don't care how anti-drug you are, this is not a fair or reasonable trade.


This "War" has never been concerned with being fair, reasonable, or even legal! It took a very bad ruling by the conservatives on the Supreme Court to allow asset siezures, which goes against the 4th & 5th Amendments. Only upon a guilty verdict should any sort of asset siezures be allowable, and only to the extent that assets were proven to be acquired by illegal activities!
 
2012-10-04 01:31:37 PM  
Two words: Johnny Hempseed!

Also, quit planting that shiat in neat rows. How do you think cops spot it from the air?
 
2012-10-04 01:33:48 PM  

bhcompy: here's no way that states aren't going to tax it like they do cigarettes(average tax per pack in the US is $1.77), which is something a black market doesn't have to worry about.


$100 will buy you a carton of 200 cigarettes, the black market simply will not support competition with legal production. there is plenty of grey market smuggling from low tax to high tax areas, but that usually happens with indian reservations or state borders.

that same carton, without taxes costs like 20 bucks. assume that the discount must be significant for buyers to risk breaking the law and possessing unstamped packs of MJ. so they need to sell for 50 or less, a profit of $30 per carton, assuming that

a) tobacco companies manage to grow and process wacky tobaccy as efficiently as the regular stuff

b) black merket farmers are able to match that efficiency.

a) is very likely to be true, possibly even more efficient since cannabis is less vulnerable to many parasites and insects.

b) is a giant if, since black market sources are unlikely to be able to hide modern factory farming rigs and hundreds of acres of contiguous irrigated farmland
 
2012-10-04 01:34:37 PM  
 
2012-10-04 01:37:20 PM  

basemetal: Oh man, those look nice. Someone cried when that was cut down.


ME! I was hoping to get into the area and grab a plant or two. While the entire police force is guarding this...garden...I saw several meth labs on wheels pass by.

And the Chicago gang violence is NOT about weed.
 
2012-10-04 01:40:19 PM  

Walker: dahmers love zombie: Meanwhile, in the 24 hours it took them to cut all that pot down, the death toll added up like this:
Alcohol: 208 deaths
Marijuana: 0 deaths

True dat.


Hell, let's make this more Chicago oriented...deaths by Shootings on South Side (over the weekend) = 7.
Number of CHILD deaths last Oct - December (in Chicago) due to big TVs falling on them = 4 (at least).
Marijuana = 0.
 
2012-10-04 01:43:14 PM  

max_pooper: This needs to happen more often. Pot growers need to plant that shiat everywhere. Every public park, every roadside ditch, every vacant lot, every courthouse flowerbed. Overwhelm the authorities with so much wild weed that they couldn't possibly destroy all of it.

\Prohibition needs to end
\\Not a pot smoker


I live a bit outside Chicago, have a very private back yard, and just harvested my grow last week. Now curing in glass jars.
 
2012-10-04 01:45:25 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: santadog: 10 Million... for 1500 plants.

Well, to be fair, they DID say "up to 10 million". So, pretty much any dollar amount under that is still accurate.

Also, this is 2012. Can we please stop using the football field as a unit of measurement? It's embarrassing.


I use hockey rinks.
 
2012-10-04 03:03:23 PM  

misterpriapus: Two words: Johnny Hempseed!

Also, quit planting that shiat in neat rows. How do you think cops spot it from the air?


It's the greenest green you've ever beheld. Honestly from a few hundred feet, teh ganj sticks out
like blood in snow.
 
2012-10-04 03:44:02 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: misterpriapus: Two words: Johnny Hempseed!

Also, quit planting that shiat in neat rows. How do you think cops spot it from the air?

It's the greenest green you've ever beheld. Honestly from a few hundred feet, teh ganj sticks out
like blood in snow.


It also gives off different heat signatures than the indigenous plants.
 
2012-10-04 03:55:00 PM  
i.ytimg.com
Good stuff.
 
2012-10-04 05:40:51 PM  
Washington State's I-502, which willl hopefully pass next month takes a nice common sense approach:

NEW SECTION. Sec. 1. The people intend to stop treating adult marijuana use as a crime and try a new approach that:
(1) Allows law enforcement resources to be focused on violent and property crimes;
(2) Generates new state and local tax revenue for education, health care, research, and substance abuse prevention; and
(3) Takes marijuana out of the hands of illegal drug organizations and brings it under a tightly regulated, state-licensed system similar to that for controlling hard alcohol.
This measure authorizes the state liquor control board to regulate and tax marijuana for persons twenty-one years of age and older, and add a new threshold for driving under the influence of marijuana.

Initiative 502
 
2012-10-04 05:56:53 PM  

priapic_abandon: Administer data warehouses 7-3:30
Out of work at 3:30
Home at 4:00
Let the dogs out 4:01
check house for doggy accidents 4:02
Let the dogs in 4:07
Give treats, meds and food to dogs 4:07.01
Check messages 4:10
check snail mail 4:14
Change out of work clothes 4:17
Burn one 4:20
Get out harmonicas. Try to jam along with Wille and Waylon 4:22
Look at laptop, think about porn. 4:59
Walk dogs instead 5:00
Continue perpetual bathroom remodeling 6:00
Burn anotha? 6:20
Something Netflix something something 7:00
Sleep like a baby without the drooling 10:00

Totally unproductive day.


i heart u
& not just for the waylon reference
 
2012-10-04 08:10:40 PM  

Rickenbacker: Putting aside all the "legalize it" talk...I've never understood the "cut it down NOW" approach. Wouldn't it have made more sense to put the field under surveillance, and catch the grower(s)? Seems that would work better than cutting it all down, and hoping for snitches to provide tips.


FTFA: But police said they were hopeful that because of the size of the operation, informants or others might provide tips about those involved, including a man seen running from the area as the helicopter swooped low.

They knew the jig was up. No one is going to risk going back there after that.
 
2012-10-04 08:22:23 PM  

Larva Lump: [home.earthlink.net image 640x655]

Paaaaaaasstures of plenty!


harrold hedd
 
2012-10-04 08:32:44 PM  

signaljammer: bhcompy: Which, troll or moron?


Both.
 
2012-10-05 12:23:33 AM  

Mark Ratner: Those involved with narcotics, whether it is marijuana, heroin or cocaine


right, because pot and cocaine put you to sleep.

/do they even know the definition of 'narcotic'?
 
2012-10-05 12:51:33 AM  

urban.derelict: Mark Ratner: Those involved with narcotics, whether it is marijuana, heroin or cocaine

right, because pot and cocaine put you to sleep.

/do they even know the definition of 'narcotic'?


Yea, it means money and votes.
 
2012-10-05 01:27:35 AM  

bhcompy: Egoy3k: bhcompy: like beer snobs, pot snobs make up a small percentage of the pot smoking population

You don't know many pot smokers do you?

I know plenty. They're called poor high school and college students.


Ohyou'reseriousletmelaughevenharder.jp eg

There's more high quality weed flowing through upper middle class suburban parent circles than you can imagine. That is, if you only imagine such things.

It's kinda like swinging. Only if you establish a reasonable level of trust with those type of people and give some indication you are ok with it will you see how many of them engage in it.

////There are more pot smokers than swingers though.
 
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