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(Slate)   The next time you complain about the Fark mods, just remember it could be worse: Drew could have hired Jim Lehrer   (slate.com) divider line 260
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2012-10-04 01:10:11 PM  
I, for one, approve of this moderator death-battle.
 
2012-10-04 01:10:19 PM  
Aarontology:Member states of the European Union are sovereign nations, and the EU is not a country.

States of the United States are not sovereign nations, and the United States is a country.

This is a completely ridiculous comparison.



United States are also sovereign. On an economic issue such as health insurance it is not so crazy to compare the two models.
 
2012-10-04 01:16:04 PM  

RolandGunner: United States are also sovereign. On an economic issue such as health insurance it is not so crazy to compare the two models.


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"Do not compare us. We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."
 
2012-10-04 01:49:16 PM  

Aarontology: I want worthy adversaries in my moderators.


Still not sure I understand this. I keep rolling it over in my head. Why would you want a guy you *aren't* electing to national office to take a more active roll in a conversation between two people you could elect to national office. A conversation he's "moderating" not "administrating", to use the lingo we do out here in the intarwerps.
 
2012-10-04 02:09:37 PM  

make me some tea: Hmm, apparently Chris Matthews (shudder) feels the same way I do (Link)

"If he does five more of these nights, forget it," Matthews added. "Obama should watch MSNBC, my last point. He will learn something every night on this show and all these shows. This stuff we're watching, it's like first grade for most of us. We know all this stuff."

Indeed.


And as usual, I wonder what the fark debate people were watching. "omg did you see Obama pick his nose, or the way Romney's face turned all red when he got pissed at the moderator for not letting him start AND stop each segment?" No. What I saw was a guy getting challenged on his policies and abjectly failing to defend them while simultaneously blowing his ENTIRE campaign load all over the stage. And I saw another guy get frustrated with the entire experience while he fantasized about ravishing his wife at the hotel room after the debate.

"But the SYMBOL ON ROMNEY"S FLAG PIN!"

I don't know anymore. It's just too meta. I can't help but think that today is an exercise in staring at our navels.

Romney "won" because people like Chris Matthews got frustrated at him and wanted to see the president curb stomp him, but didn't. Now his feelings are hurt or something, and he's convinced that watching MSNBC would help the president understand how important this was? Yeah. Sure.
 
2012-10-04 02:43:23 PM  
Came home, turned the TV on expecting to watch a debate.
Ended up watching some George Romero remake of some zombie movie... starring Jim Lehrer.
 
2012-10-04 04:58:43 PM  

BeesNuts: What I saw was a guy getting challenged on his policies and abjectly failing to defend them while simultaneously blowing his ENTIRE campaign load all over the stage. And I saw another guy get frustrated with the entire experience while he fantasized about ravishing his wife at the hotel room after the debate.


Well, that's one way to look at it.
 
2012-10-04 05:39:47 PM  

RolandGunner: Aarontology:Member states of the European Union are sovereign nations, and the EU is not a country.

States of the United States are not sovereign nations, and the United States is a country.

This is a completely ridiculous comparison.


United States are also sovereign. On an economic issue such as health insurance it is not so crazy to compare the two models.


Except for the secessionist nutters, nobody is going to claim a state is a sovereign nation.
 
2012-10-04 08:11:13 PM  

cretinbob: Yeah, Helen Keller is working out just fine.


Wow.. beat everyone to it
 
2012-10-04 11:45:24 PM  

Lost Thought 00: andrewagill: That would allow people to explain their positions, the strengths and weaknesses of their opponents' positions, and most critically, how they would work with opponents to address a very real issue.

Candidates don't want to do that. They only want to attack their challenger. There is no format where they will not do that to the exclusion of all else. anything short of putting them under oath in a courtroom will not change their tone


This is why it is important to have this sort of discussion. You won't stop people from trying to score points; Hell, they voluntarily participated in a multi-year contest that could destroy their future. But if you force them to discuss things like this, at least you'll get an idea of how they can work with the opposition and learn from and empathize with their positions.

So, for example, you'll have a 150-minute forum on a single question like "How Should Higher Education Help Us Create the Society We Want?"

And then you break it up into about 50 minutes apiece discussing the pros and cons of three positions

Position one: Higher education should help ensure that our economy remains competitive in a tough global marketplace-and that means recapturing our lead in science and technology. Countries like China are transforming their systems to educate more high-tech professionals, and we should too. It's our best chance to keep our economy growing.

Position two: Many of the problems we face as a nation reflect an underlying crisis of division and mistrust. Higher education shapes students' views about the larger society, and it can do more to strengthen values like responsibility, integrity, and respect for others. Students also need real-life experience in collaboration and problem solving.

Position three: We call this the land of opportunity, but it isn't that way for many Americans. Because graduating from college unlocks the door to advancement, higher education and government should do much more to ensure that all Americans have an equal shot at getting a degree-without accumulating huge debts.

All of the positions suck to a certain extent; this is by design, as it forces people who would normally agree with a certain perspective to find something that they disagree with and clarify why their own position isn't the same as what's written in the book.

Then you ask probing questions, like

What role should higher education play in helping our country stay ahead of its competitors in the global marketplace? Should these roles be different in private and public institutions?

Should we make it easier for foreign students who get advanced science and technology degrees in
this country to stay here?

Do you think colleges and universities should incorporate the teaching of ethical principles into their
courses? Are these matters best left to families?

How important do you think it is for colleges to provide students with opportunities to learn about
other cultures? How can schools best do this?

Some college students are less well prepared than others, for instance by some high schools in
disadvantaged neighborhoods. Should a college make special efforts to help such students earn
their degrees? Whose responsibility is it?

Is a college degree for everyone? Should every youngster be encouraged to take college preparatory courses in high school?

Give them a reason to try to work together.
 
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