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(The New York Times)   Some cities are now encouraging people to ride bikes without wearing a helmet, because brain damage makes everything more fun and potato   (nytimes.com) divider line 38
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2012-10-04 08:40:26 AM  
7 votes:
Would you rather people exercise? or would you rather a smaller number of people not risk brain injury?

You can force people to wear a helmet to exercise when you are ready to pay for their diabetes meds.
2012-10-04 08:35:10 AM  
5 votes:
I wear a bike helmet because I know there people like me driving cars.
2012-10-04 09:20:09 AM  
3 votes:
despite seat belts, airbags, crumple zones, etc. one of the most common injuries for car drivers remain head injuries. So why don't we make car drivers wear helmets?
2012-10-04 08:54:53 AM  
3 votes:

SniperJoe: Basically, the premise here is that helmets make people not want to bike and the city leaders are saying that the whole point of helmets is to prevent head injuries due to high speed collisions, which they state are rare in urban environments. As someone who HAS had a high-speed bicycle accident, I kindly tell those leaders to go pound sand. My helmet was cracked completely through and I didn't even get a concussion. Without it, I probably would at best, have serious brain injuries.


A helmet while mountain biking up and down craggy hills, sane. A helmet for a toddler zipping in and out of the street, sane. A helmet for a nice leisurely ride around the park or to the store to get milk, pants on head retarded. Its not an extreme death defying sport every time you get on two wheels. If it is, you need to settle the hell down before you give yourself a heart attack.
2012-10-04 08:50:41 AM  
3 votes:
So, all of the people who rode bikes when there were no bike helmets are either dead of disabled?
2012-10-04 08:50:07 AM  
3 votes:
I think the article states it perfectly. It's really simple.

I recently bought a biking helmet but have been biking for years. But because I started riding technical mountain bike trails where crashing spectacularly is a real threat, Cruising at 5mph on the shoulder or sidewalks in my suburb on the way to work, not so much.

I have long worn a full face lid on the motorcycle, and I'd rather have one on the trails on the bicycle as well (working on it) because wiring your jaw shut after it lands on a boulder probably isn't fun. Just like shaving my chin down at 50mph on the motorcycle probably isn't either.

I don't wear my bicycle helmet commuting to work. As I gain speed and possibly take to the roads and on a road bike, I might consider it.

They are absolutely right, people will just not ride if you require it. They don't want to mess up their hair.
2012-10-04 04:39:27 PM  
2 votes:
I agree with the point they are making. Leisurely riding at a low rate of speed is safe without a helmet. I never wore a helmet as a kid, wrecked more times than I can count and was neve seriously hurt. Rider should use their own judgement on whether a helmet is called for. Rolling around a park at 5-10 miles an hour, then no....rolling down a winding mountain road at 35+, then yeah, better wear a helmet.
2012-10-04 09:02:49 AM  
2 votes:
I haven't worn a helmet in 45 years or so. I think I crashed a bike last when I was ten, and tore up my knee. Of course I ride casually and by the rules I was taught as a child. I pull over and let cars by if there's any question of road space. I walk the bike across intersections. I have fat tires that can deal with the occasional patch of sand. When biking with a friend we ride single file. I'm out there for recreation, not to get somewhere by a deadline.

I don't wear bright yellow spandex and demand that distracted drivers of three thousand pound vehicles respect my "rights." Same deal as boating, or even walking across a crosswalk, you may have the right of way, but it won't make you any less dead when the other guy screws up.
2012-10-04 08:55:53 AM  
2 votes:
I am so mad at the anti-ladder-helmet lobby. They've convinced people you don't need to wear helmets when doing things like using a ladder. I mean, it's as safe as riding a bike, they say.

PEOPLE: WEAR YOUR LADDER HELMETS! YOU COULD FALL!
2012-10-04 08:50:18 AM  
2 votes:

SniperJoe: Basically, the premise here is that helmets make people not want to bike and the city leaders are saying that the whole point of helmets is to prevent head injuries due to high speed collisions, which they state are rare in urban environments. As someone who HAS had a high-speed bicycle accident, I kindly tell those leaders to go pound sand. My helmet was cracked completely through and I didn't even get a concussion. Without it, I probably would at best, have serious brain injuries.


Emphasis added... I think that there is great thought going into this. Most urban bikers of european cities don't go fast at all, and therefore the risk of being in a high-speed accident are basically nil. In NYC the only people on bikes are crazy mo-fos who are willing to dart through the taxi traffic, etc... so helmets are a damn good idea. It is, as the author suggested, a catch-22. We need to promote bicycle traffic to the point where there is slow but efficient bike traffic, much like the car traffic currently on the roads during rush hour.
2012-10-04 08:43:21 AM  
2 votes:
Good. No helmets, no seat belts, no illusion of safety. Thin out the retards who think they can get away with any of the above and life will be a lot nicer for the rest of us.
2012-10-04 08:40:35 AM  
2 votes:
Basically, the premise here is that helmets make people not want to bike and the city leaders are saying that the whole point of helmets is to prevent head injuries due to high speed collisions, which they state are rare in urban environments. As someone who HAS had a high-speed bicycle accident, I kindly tell those leaders to go pound sand. My helmet was cracked completely through and I didn't even get a concussion. Without it, I probably would at best, have serious brain injuries.
2012-10-04 08:37:39 AM  
2 votes:
I'd like to comment on this, but I can't since I don't have a New York Times login.
2012-10-04 11:39:39 AM  
1 votes:
Head injuries are extremely common in car accidents. Those of you who always wear helmets when cycling - do you wear them when driving? If not, why not?
2012-10-04 10:44:38 AM  
1 votes:

douchebag/hater: Just scanned an article that said that wearing helmets helps in such few cases as to be useless/a roll of the dice.

I surprised we don't see runners wearing them, after all you can stumble and bang your head running, too.


SHHHHHHHHHH!
2012-10-04 10:44:25 AM  
1 votes:

douchebag/hater: Just scanned an article that said that wearing helmets helps in such few cases as to be useless/a roll of the dice.

I surprised we don't see runners wearing them, after all you can stumble and bang your head running, too.


And something could fall on you while you're watching TV, too. Or sleeping.
2012-10-04 10:38:28 AM  
1 votes:
Just scanned an article that said that wearing helmets helps in such few cases as to be useless/a roll of the dice.

I surprised we don't see runners wearing them, after all you can stumble and bang your head running, too.
2012-10-04 10:27:46 AM  
1 votes:

wingding: piss off nanny state


Exactly.
2012-10-04 10:24:59 AM  
1 votes:
piss off nanny state
2012-10-04 10:18:14 AM  
1 votes:
I rode bikes a lot as a kid, never had a helmet, never saw or heard mention of a helmet.

I walked to school, too, a mile or so each way, in inner-city Detroit.

What has changed? Kids have to be wrapped in bubble-pack now, and delivered and picked up everywhere.
2012-10-04 09:54:51 AM  
1 votes:

G.I.R.B.: 1: Wearing a helmet when riding ANYTHING on two, (or three) wheels is insurance, as is wearing a seat-belt when driving a car, (gee.....there are laws requiring that) ........ or in other words; "just in case something bad happens".

4: The argument that "low-speed =/= risk" is invalid, simply falling onto a hard surface can cause TBI/broken bones/death, the chances of injury increase when traveling faster than walking-speed.


As already noted, your understanding of insurance is weak.

Also, did you spend your child-hood wrapped in bubblewrap or something? How can you possibly argue that because there is a risk of "simply falling onto a hard surface" that helmets must be mandated by law. Do you wear a helmet every hour? Or better yet, you should probably wear one in bed... you may roll off the bed in your sleep! I suppose you could always raise the gate on your crib to prevent rolling out... but I digress....
2012-10-04 09:50:52 AM  
1 votes:
Why should you wear a helmet? 

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2012-10-04 09:41:06 AM  
1 votes:
I have been in hundreds of bike races--- always wear a helmet racing because I have to. I wear a helmet training as well--- since it doesn't take much to hit speeds of 50mph flying down hills, etc...

A helmet did nothing to save my face when I flew over the bars in a nasty crash, nor have they helped when I have gone down in corners (and it is much better to go down with a bike, than up, if you know what I mean).

That said, there is something liberating about not wearing a helmet--- like when I tow my kids to daycare in a bike trailer. Sure, I might not be the best example for them, but I am biking at walking speed, and I am falling no further than if I fell while standing up.

A helmet is NOT insurance. Insurance is a transference of risk to a third party. Insurance does nothing to prevent an unwanted event from happening. Your insurance does not reduce the likelihood of your house being broken into--- it just replaces what was taken. A helmet is designed to be a preventative barrier as a form of risk mitigation. It is designed to be a barrier to protect your head after the undesired crash occurs.

As such, if you really REALLY care about your noggin' you might consider a full face helmet of a motorcycle helmet. Bike helmets weigh a fraction of a pound, and are so fragile as to be rendered as non-reusable in the event of a single crash (hence the crash replacement programs helmet makers offer).

Guess who picks up the tab when fat lazy people who never bike with or without helmets get serious heart disease? That is far more costly than a few outliers who suffer TBI from bike accidents.

G.I.R.B.: 1: Wearing a helmet when riding ANYTHING on two, (or three) wheels is insurance, as is wearing a seat-belt when driving a car, (gee.....there are laws requiring that) ........ or in other words; "just in case something bad happens".

2: Insurance is required by law to operate a motorized vehicle. Why? Because the farking things can hurt/kill and damage property.

3: If a person NOT wearing a helmet suffers injuries and is un-insured or involved with an UIM, (up to and including death/Persistent Vegetative State), guess who picks up the bill? Uh huh....US: the taxpayer. If that person's injuries could be mitigated by wearing a helmet, less cost to taxpayers.
(This is known commonly as "enlightened self-interest).

4: The argument that "low-speed =/= risk" is invalid, simply falling onto a hard surface can cause TBI/broken bones/death, the chances of injury increase when traveling faster than walking-speed.

/You will note I do not differentiate between bicycle and motorcycle riders. Why? Not surrounded by metal or restrained inside said metal box.
//I know, this is Fark, don't confuse the issue with logic.

2012-10-04 09:35:08 AM  
1 votes:
I don't ride a bike because helmets are gay.
2012-10-04 09:34:27 AM  
1 votes:
And by 'break break' I mean break your neck.
2012-10-04 09:26:49 AM  
1 votes:
In 44 years of living, most of those during the era where nobody wore helmets, I have never known a single person who sustained a head injury while biking. In my sample group of ten other people at work, nobody else had either. Nobody, including me, had even heard of a case.

Car accidents with injuries related to no seatbelt use, yes. Bike accidents, no.

I shake my head at the helmeted folks riding at 5mph on the park paths by house. Why not wear knee pads and elbow protection too? Lol. The term sheeple has never had a better application than when applied to bike helmet nazis.
2012-10-04 09:22:02 AM  
1 votes:
1: Wearing a helmet when riding ANYTHING on two, (or three) wheels is insurance, as is wearing a seat-belt when driving a car, (gee.....there are laws requiring that) ........ or in other words; "just in case something bad happens".

2: Insurance is required by law to operate a motorized vehicle. Why? Because the farking things can hurt/kill and damage property.

3: If a person NOT wearing a helmet suffers injuries and is un-insured or involved with an UIM, (up to and including death/Persistent Vegetative State), guess who picks up the bill? Uh huh....US: the taxpayer. If that person's injuries could be mitigated by wearing a helmet, less cost to taxpayers.
(This is known commonly as "enlightened self-interest).

4: The argument that "low-speed =/= risk" is invalid, simply falling onto a hard surface can cause TBI/broken bones/death, the chances of injury increase when traveling faster than walking-speed.

/You will note I do not differentiate between bicycle and motorcycle riders. Why? Not surrounded by metal or restrained inside said metal box.
//I know, this is Fark, don't confuse the issue with logic.
2012-10-04 09:07:15 AM  
1 votes:
And adult riding a bike on a mature and safe bike system cannot be truthfully likened to bike messages in New York. I ride a lot on good, car free urban trails with no helmet (Colorado baby) but I wear one when I am biking or snowboarding in the mountains.
2012-10-04 09:06:16 AM  
1 votes:

meanmutton: bikerbob59: So, all of the people who rode bikes when there were no bike helmets are either dead of disabled?

No; just a higher percentage of them than the ones who wore helmets.

I've had two identical, low speed falls from a bike. No helmet: concision. Helmet: no concision. I'll keep wearing that helmet.


You sure about that?
2012-10-04 09:05:14 AM  
1 votes:
Why we shouldn't bike with helmets.

Once upon a time, cars were guests on our streets- and unpleasant ones at that. They moved in, and suddenly the streets became places for cars, as opposed to a public space that cars used- along with many other functions. It's a fascinating inversion- roadways became entirely about cars. Their purpose became a system for moving traffic.

For most of the 20th century, this new philosophy of city planning sucked the vitality and life out of cities. Now the trend is reversing itself, and it's a good trend. Anything that gets more people using the roadways for things other than automobile transportation is good. Bicycles have the added benefit of improving the public health. And the more people we have on bikes, the fewer we have in cars- meaning the risks of collision decrease.

//I wear a helmet, because why not? I like my head. I'm attached to it.
2012-10-04 09:02:00 AM  
1 votes:
When I could ride a bike (knees are farking GONE... at 29...):

I bailed going down a trail in the Beartooth mountains. Nailed a log, went flying through the air like Superman and EL KABONGed myself into a pine. Came to about a half-minute later.

Helmet was split the fark in two, bike was good. Dizzy, chomped my tongue so hard, it was sticking out of my mouth and was staggering as I walked.

Had a mild concussion and the helmet saved my ass.

I think it should be your choice, personal safety equipment shouldn't be regulated.

However; you better believe if I could today, I'd still wear a helmet.
2012-10-04 08:59:54 AM  
1 votes:

I have never worn and will never wear a helmet while riding a bicycle. Motorcycle; yeah, but not on a bike.

When I was a kid, wearing a helmet on a bike would have been dangerous because my friends would have whooped my ass for being a wussy.

/We gave Dennis a pass
//He was special
///But he was still our friend.

2012-10-04 08:57:58 AM  
1 votes:
Well they have a point, helmets only work in certain accidents. It's not going to save you when a car runs you over.
2012-10-04 08:51:17 AM  
1 votes:

ModernLuddite: I will not rest until it is legal to drive over a Critical Mass group ride.


Ya know.... I ride fairly regularly, to include having done a few century rides...and even I think those people are morons.

There are plenty of roads (including some that could be commuting roads) near me that I won't set (2 wheeled) tire on, because they're narrow, hilly and windy- all of which scream at me "bad idea" for biking.
2012-10-04 08:46:44 AM  
1 votes:
I will not rest until it is legal to drive over a Critical Mass group ride.
2012-10-04 08:41:07 AM  
1 votes:
sheep are told to wear a helmet and sheep wear it. i saw a grown up man on roller skates wearing a helmet the other day. Not sure what the danger was.
2012-10-04 08:38:48 AM  
1 votes:
I wear a bike helmet because I was wearing one the day I flew off my bike, and I am not a potato, and that may be why.
2012-10-04 08:38:36 AM  
1 votes:
That's the second paywall in ten minutes.
 
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