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(LA Times)   Sex offenders sue for the right to hand out Halloween candy, are already stocking up on M&Ms and Baby Roofies   (latimes.com) divider line 135
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2012-10-04 08:35:43 AM
"We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

Look, I think the sex offender panic has gotten out of hand, but you need to calm the fark down.
 
2012-10-04 08:39:25 AM
Daddy, these little blue ones don't taste very good, but look what they did to my thingy!
 
2012-10-04 08:39:43 AM
"To us, it's similar to branding," she said. "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

And you just lost your case right there...

There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.
 
2012-10-04 08:49:47 AM

I_Am_Weasel: "To us, it's similar to branding," she said. "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

And you just lost your case right there...

There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.


I wouldn't say they lost it, but they did use a stupid argument. Which is sad, as they have a point.
 
2012-10-04 08:50:52 AM
Sex offenders are people too, you know.
 
2012-10-04 08:51:00 AM
Alright I'll be that guy.

The government doesn't have the right to tell you what you can or cannot do with your own property.
 
2012-10-04 08:53:33 AM
What?!?!
I'm not giving out candy.
I'm giving out chloroform rags.
Sheesh.
 
2012-10-04 08:53:39 AM

Warlordtrooper: Alright I'll be that guy.

The government doesn't have the right to tell you what you can or cannot do with your own property.


Of course they do, if you are still under their control due to your criminal actions. They may also restrict with whom you may associate while you are under their supervision.
 
2012-10-04 08:53:50 AM
This thread will hit about 230 posts I think.

85% of it will be the following:

1) There are a lot of people on those lists who have done nothing dangerous or "criminal" they are victims of over-zealous "for the children" prosecution. This will be followed by anecdotal stories of person peeing on a dumpster at 2am downtown in a bar parking lot, etc.

2) Child molesters are on that list for a reason and they should be punished and it is a good thing that they are.

So, how about I save everyone a lot of time and typing and just say the following:

The system is broken. Yes, children need to be protected, but we have gone well above and far beyond the useful range of that protection and created a "sub class" of people who are treated the same whether they are dangerous predators or someone with a moments drunken indiscretion. This will probably lead to more criminal acts as those people are actually being forced to live a life of crime to survive, as we seem to have taken their abilities to function in society away from them, regardless of the severity of the offense.

Tear it down, start over, and let people who are predators stay on the list, and let those who did something stupid serve their punishment and let it be done.

argh.
 
2012-10-04 08:54:01 AM
Aren't most registered sex offenders not allowed within a certain distance to children?

And yeah, the Nazi/Heeb reference was stupid.

and -
i194.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-04 08:54:29 AM

sodomizer: Sex offenders are people too, you know.


Yes, people who have been found guilty of committing a sex crime. Me, I'm just going to avoid their house on hallowe'en. I'm just bigoted against sex offenders. And the Dutch.
 
2012-10-04 08:54:58 AM

I_Am_Weasel: there is something wrong with being a sex offender


No, not always. You can wind up on a sex offender registry for some pretty stupid shiat. And this is ignoring the fact that the mere existence of a registry like this means you're either a) continuing to maliciously punish people who have supposedly already paid their debt to society or b) admitting that you let a potentially dangerous person loose in the community for no good reason.

The whole sex offender thing is 100% useless and I will always support anything that helps anybody on it get back any right that's been stolen from them.

You don't want Johnny Rapesalot to live within 100 yards of a school or playground or hand out Halloween candy because you think he's a threat to kids?

Then leave him in prison, dumbasses.

/ that said, the Nazi Germany bit was pretty dumb...
 
2012-10-04 08:55:14 AM
Remember before we had registries, when all those kids were getting raped getting Halloween candy?

No? Neither does anyone else.
 
2012-10-04 08:55:14 AM

Nurglitch: sodomizer: Sex offenders are people too, you know.

Yes, people who have been found guilty of committing a sex crime. Me, I'm just going to avoid their house on hallowe'en. I'm just bigoted against sex offenders. And the Dutch.


and carnival workers.
 
2012-10-04 08:55:50 AM

Bhruic: I wouldn't say they lost it, but they did use a stupid argument. Which is sad, as they have a point.


How Sandusky of you....
 
2012-10-04 08:56:37 AM
HOTY candidate. I'm still laughing.
 
2012-10-04 08:57:55 AM
I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares
 
2012-10-04 08:59:23 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: You don't want Johnny Rapesalot to live within 100 yards of a school or playground or hand out Halloween candy because you think he's a threat to kids?

Then leave him in prison, dumbasses.


I think this point is legitimate but the real problem is that we seem to have a lot of pedophiles in this country. Putting them all in prison for life might involve billions more in prison costs. Then again, it might give the violent rectal rapists something to do.
 
2012-10-04 09:00:53 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Remember before we had registries, when all those kids were getting raped getting Halloween candy?

No? Neither does anyone else.


I'm okay with not allowing registered sex offenders contact with kids (especially unsupervised ones like you get on Halloween). I don't want them striking up a relationship that might lead to abuse.
 
2012-10-04 09:01:29 AM

Kurmudgeon: Bhruic: I wouldn't say they lost it, but they did use a stupid argument. Which is sad, as they have a point.

How Sandusky of you....


I'm confused as to how that reference makes sense in this situation...?
 
2012-10-04 09:01:31 AM

sodomizer: Vegan Meat Popsicle: You don't want Johnny Rapesalot to live within 100 yards of a school or playground or hand out Halloween candy because you think he's a threat to kids?

Then leave him in prison, dumbasses.

I think this point is legitimate but the real problem is that we seem to have a lot of pedophiles in this country. Putting them all in prison for life might involve billions more in prison costs. Then again, it might give the violent rectal rapists something to do.



Well, we should have known you'd have an opinion.
 
2012-10-04 09:01:45 AM
so, it's still okay to park 'Free Candy' van outside house on street, right? right?
 
2012-10-04 09:01:52 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.


I go back to my prior point. If you've actually been caught banging kids or climbing in windows and raping people.... why the hell were you released from prison in the first place?

I don't understand the registry at all. The argument is that violent sex offenders are highly likely to repeat their crimes and this appears to be born out by evidence. So why on Earth is the "fix" to put them on a little list and let them rejoin the community? Put the farkers in prison and keep them there until we can figure out an effective way to reform them.

They're dangerous. They don't become less dangerous because they're on a little list and I don't understand how it makes sense to offload the risk to their neighbors rather than just keeping them locked away from them to begin with?
 
2012-10-04 09:02:16 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares


i do
and u shold too.
 
2012-10-04 09:02:46 AM

The Muthaship: HotWingConspiracy: Remember before we had registries, when all those kids were getting raped getting Halloween candy?

No? Neither does anyone else.

I'm okay with not allowing registered sex offenders contact with kids (especially unsupervised ones like you get on Halloween). I don't want them striking up a relationship that might lead to abuse.


Well, kids are everywhere... so, I guess we better euthanize all the registered sex offenders huh?
 
2012-10-04 09:03:05 AM
A total of 119 registered sex offenders live in Simi Valley. Although some have been convicted of misdemeanors and do not have their names displayed, 67 have been guilty of more serious crimes and are publicly listed on the website. None has been involved in crimes involving children on Halloween, according to police, who say they have no records of any such crime occurring in Simi Valley during Halloween trick-or-treating.

What about crimes involving children not on Halloween? Yeah theres a big difference between a kiddy diddler and an 18 year old who got on the list because his 17 year old girlfriends parents didnt like him, and i think a lot of sex offender restrictions are pretty crazy depending on the nature of the crime, but statutory rapists and alley pissers aside, i dont think this is a terrible law. I mean yeah you want to keep your kids away from the kiddy diddlers, but do you really want them going up to a convicted run of the mill rapists house either?

/especially considering how sexy slutty halloween costumes have gotten
//wait, what? seat? over there?
 
2012-10-04 09:04:32 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.


OK, I'll bite. Why?
 
2012-10-04 09:05:37 AM

Bhruic: I'm confused as to how that reference makes sense in this situation...?


It doesn't, he's just not very bright.

sodomizer: we seem to have a lot of pedophiles in this country


[citation needed]

And I'm talking about violent offenders, not some fat idiot sitting in front of his computer looking at pictures of kids. My attitude toward that is that the resources would be better used cutting off his supply first then worrying about getting to him.

sodomizer: Putting them all in prison for life might involve billions more in prison costs.


Then I'd argue it's a good time to look at reforming our prison and legal system in ways that keep non-violent offenders out to make room for moving violent offenders in.

I realize that on some level I'm arguing from an idealized view of how our political and social system work and that this is all unlikely to happen because it takes away too many people's pieces of the pie, but I just don't see how a registry is in any way, shape or form a solution to any of this. It just seems so entirely pointless.
 
2012-10-04 09:07:14 AM

The Muthaship: HotWingConspiracy: Remember before we had registries, when all those kids were getting raped getting Halloween candy?

No? Neither does anyone else.

I'm okay with not allowing registered sex offenders contact with kids (especially unsupervised ones like you get on Halloween). I don't want them striking up a relationship that might lead to abuse.


Remember before we had registries, and kids were striking up relationships with people that they got Halloween candy from?

No? Neither does anyone else.
 
2012-10-04 09:10:16 AM

Cyno01: What about crimes involving children not on Halloween? Yeah theres a big difference between a kiddy diddler and an 18 year old who got on the list because his 17 year old girlfriends parents didnt like him, and i think a lot of sex offender restrictions are pretty crazy depending on the nature of the crime, but statutory rapists and alley pissers aside, i dont think this is a terrible law.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the sex offenders list for anyone who's been convicted of a sex crime? As in, it's not limited to people who have been convicted of a sex crime with a minor? So why the automatic assumption that they are interested in having sex with kids (not necessarily aimed at you, but you provided a good opportunity to raise the question)?
 
2012-10-04 09:10:41 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Well, we should have known you'd have an opinion.


Can I be an expert witness? Please please
 
2012-10-04 09:10:56 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.

OK, I'll bite. Why?


what if a 3 year old saw u pee naked. what would he think then??
 
2012-10-04 09:11:37 AM
I always thought Roofies was spelled with a U. Learned something new today.
 
2012-10-04 09:11:59 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Remember before we had registries, when all those kids were getting raped getting Halloween candy?

No? Neither does anyone else.


Rape, both of children and adults, has gone down significantly. There are lots if reasons for this; it's not hard to believe that keeping children away from sexual predators is one of those reasons.
 
2012-10-04 09:12:05 AM

Bhruic: Cyno01: What about crimes involving children not on Halloween? Yeah theres a big difference between a kiddy diddler and an 18 year old who got on the list because his 17 year old girlfriends parents didnt like him, and i think a lot of sex offender restrictions are pretty crazy depending on the nature of the crime, but statutory rapists and alley pissers aside, i dont think this is a terrible law.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the sex offenders list for anyone who's been convicted of a sex crime? As in, it's not limited to people who have been convicted of a sex crime with a minor? So why the automatic assumption that they are interested in having sex with kids (not necessarily aimed at you, but you provided a good opportunity to raise the question)?


Because we're in the era of ZOMG STRANGER DANGER thanks to sensationalistic news reports that scare people into thinking there's a nasty stranger waiting around every corner to scoop up their little precious, when in reality, they have a greater chance of a relative or friend molesting the kid.
 
2012-10-04 09:13:38 AM
In all honesty the fact that a seemingly ordinary people think it's normal to have a sex offender app on their smartphones is more concerning to me than the offenders handing out Halloween candy. I think the fear and paranoia that we pass along to kids over these issues does a lot of damage and I'm fairly unconvinced that the registry and all the other trappings of 'protecting children' do anything at all to reduce incidents of abuse.
 
2012-10-04 09:13:46 AM

rhondajeremy: I always thought Roofies was spelled with a U. Learned something new today.


What have YOU been slipping into drinks all these years, then?
 
2012-10-04 09:14:15 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.

OK, I'll bite. Why?


I don't like my town smelling like piss.
 
2012-10-04 09:16:03 AM

meanmutton: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.

OK, I'll bite. Why?

I don't like my town smelling like piss.


Fair enough. Public urination is, and should be, a crime. But why is it something that would land you on a sex offender list?
 
2012-10-04 09:17:38 AM
there's a helpful bear on the 28th floor
 
2012-10-04 09:17:39 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.

OK, I'll bite. Why?

what if a 3 year old saw u pee naked. what would he think then??


If a 3 year old saw me peeing at 2:30AM in an alley outside a bar, there are other far bigger problems than what I'm doing.
 
2012-10-04 09:18:20 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: meanmutton: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.

OK, I'll bite. Why?

I don't like my town smelling like piss.

Fair enough. Public urination is, and should be, a crime. But why is it something that would land you on a sex offender list?


Because it involves a penis being displayed in public. And Penises can never be used for anything less than rape, so by virtue of the fact that a man had his penis out, that makes him a sex offender because someone was getting raped before it was put away. It's like a Ninja's sword. It can't be put back in its sheath without tasting blood.
 
2012-10-04 09:19:10 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Public urination is, and should be, a crime. But why is it something that would land you on a sex offender list?


I wonder the same. I don't think it's reasonable to safe that "nudity = sexual excitation." Sometimes, a dong is just a dong, and ta-tas are just ta-tas.
 
2012-10-04 09:19:13 AM
RTFA, folks, and mock Subby for not noticing the article is not about having contact with or giving candy to children. It's about the right to decorate your house for Halloween.
 
2012-10-04 09:19:50 AM
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pixelatedpop.com
 
2012-10-04 09:20:17 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.

OK, I'll bite. Why?

what if a 3 year old saw u pee naked. what would he think then??

If a 3 year old saw me peeing at 2:30AM in an alley outside a bar, there are other far bigger problems than what I'm doing.


if there's a threat of being called a SEX OFFENDER doesn't keep you from peeing outside, maybe you really are a rapist.
 
2012-10-04 09:20:20 AM

meanmutton: HotWingConspiracy: Remember before we had registries, when all those kids were getting raped getting Halloween candy?

No? Neither does anyone else.

Rape, both of children and adults, has gone down significantly. There are lots if reasons for this; it's not hard to believe that keeping children away from sexual predators is one of those reasons.


I find that hard to believe, actually. You understand that these people are out in the world, with children everywhere at all times, right? If you've got comparative stats for Halloween rape, I'd love to see it.
 
2012-10-04 09:21:22 AM

Bhruic: Cyno01: What about crimes involving children not on Halloween? Yeah theres a big difference between a kiddy diddler and an 18 year old who got on the list because his 17 year old girlfriends parents didnt like him, and i think a lot of sex offender restrictions are pretty crazy depending on the nature of the crime, but statutory rapists and alley pissers aside, i dont think this is a terrible law.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the sex offenders list for anyone who's been convicted of a sex crime? As in, it's not limited to people who have been convicted of a sex crime with a minor? So why the automatic assumption that they are interested in having sex with kids (not necessarily aimed at you, but you provided a good opportunity to raise the question)?


I didnt mean all of them, i meant any of them, "none have been convicted of molesting children on halloween" is a oddly specific way to phrase it, have any been convicted of hurting kids the other 364 days of the year? I mean if nobody there is on the list for crimes against children, i can sort of see their point. But again, i would prefer not to associate with regular rapists either.
 
2012-10-04 09:21:52 AM

meanmutton: Rape, both of children and adults, has gone down significantly. There are lots if reasons for this; it's not hard to believe that keeping children away from sexual predators is one of those reasons.


Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows. A parent, relative, or friend of the family. Keeping kids away from random strangers probably wouldn't even have any effect statistically on rape statistics. What probably does have an effect is the fact that children simply have far less freedom than they used to. Almost all activity for kids is much closer to home and much more structured than it was even a generation ago.
 
2012-10-04 09:22:56 AM

JosephFinn: RTFA, folks, and mock Subby for not noticing the article is not about having contact with or giving candy to children. It's about the right to decorate your house for Halloween.


Howbout we RTFA and mock you for not noticing "For offenders listed on the Megan's Law website, the city also requires a sign on the front door in letters at least an inch tall: "No candy or treats at this residence.", and that the Lawyer in the case said Her clients were particularly upset by the sign requirement.?
 
2012-10-04 09:23:05 AM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

One, two, tie your shoe.
Three, four, pick up the floor.
Five, six, don't play tricks.
Seven, eight, clean your plate.
Nine, ten, start over again!
 
2012-10-04 09:23:10 AM

JosephFinn: RTFA, folks, and mock Subby for not noticing the article is not about having contact with or giving candy to children. It's about the right to decorate your house for Halloween.


I don't think that's in the constitution.
 
2012-10-04 09:23:23 AM
HotWingConspiracy:
Remember before we had registries, when all those kids were getting raped getting Halloween candy?

No? Neither does anyone else.


Oh you mean, back when most child molestation happened by family members or trusted acquaintances? Yeah, good thing THAT all changed.

Honestly, I think forbidding sex offenders from decorating for Halloween at all is a bit excessive. They probably shouldn't be allowed to give out candy, but lots of people who decorate don't give out candy. Just make them keep the porch light off. They can stay inside and eat the little chocolate bars themselves, like we all did in college.
 
2012-10-04 09:23:25 AM

meanmutton: it's not hard to believe that keeping children away from sexual predators is one of those reasons.


You know where there isn't easy access to kids for these predators? Yup, prison!

/would much rather have a Pot offenders list to look over
 
2012-10-04 09:23:41 AM

miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows. A parent, relative, or friend of the family. Keeping kids away from random strangers probably wouldn't even have any effect statistically on rape statistics. What probably does have an effect is the fact that children simply have far less freedom than they used to. Almost all activity for kids is much closer to home and much more structured than it was even a generation ago.


That'll teach me to post before coffee.
 
2012-10-04 09:24:36 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.

OK, I'll bite. Why?

what if a 3 year old saw u pee naked. what would he think then??

If a 3 year old saw me peeing at 2:30AM in an alley outside a bar, there are other far bigger problems than what I'm doing.

if there's a threat of being called a SEX OFFENDER doesn't keep you from peeing outside, maybe you really are a rapist.


Ah, so you are just trolling. Good to know. I feel stupid now.
 
2012-10-04 09:25:31 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.

OK, I'll bite. Why?

what if a 3 year old saw u pee naked. what would he think then??

If a 3 year old saw me peeing at 2:30AM in an alley outside a bar, there are other far bigger problems than what I'm doing.

if there's a threat of being called a SEX OFFENDER doesn't keep you from peeing outside, maybe you really are a rapist.

Ah, so you are just trolling. Good to know. I feel stupid now.


penis = sex. this is why nudity is not allowed
 
2012-10-04 09:25:35 AM
RumsfeldsReplacement:
If a 3 year old saw me peeing at 2:30AM in an alley outside a bar, there are other far bigger problems than what I'm doing.

www.digitalbusstop.com

Poor Prue...
 
2012-10-04 09:28:11 AM
These registries are a great idea. We need more. I'm not sure who decided that sexual offenses were the worst crimes. I'm not crazy about murder. Why isn't there a murder registry? Why can sex offenders be repeatedly and continually punished after their release from prison, but murderers aren't? How about a DUI registry? When you're on the DUI registry, you should get a special icon on your driver's license. Require that bartenders must check each patron's license, and if the DUI Registry icon is on a person's license they can't be served alcohol. Or buy alcohol. Ever. Where's the sense in keeping all sex offenders (even those whose crimes did not involve children) away from children, but we don't make any effort to keep drunk drivers away from alcohol? The more registries, the better off we all are. Criminals should be punished forever. How about those people in my town who watered their lawn on the wrong day when water restrictions were in place this summer? They should be put on some sort of registry. I think every time they water their lawn, they should have to wear a shirt that says "I stole your water" or "I don't know what day it is." Or something. (But I hope there's not a registry for parking on the wrong side of the street during a snow emergency parking ban, because I'm always getting it wrong.)

I'm being a little facetious. There's certainly a logic to recognizing that many sex offenders continue to be a risk and believing that the rest of us deserve some sort of ongoing protection. But I think fair is fair. Either we should NOT treat sex offenders differently from other criminals, or we should establish more registries for other types of criminals. One or the other. Or... If sex offenders are so dangerous, then why not just lengthen the minimum sentences? Why let them out, and then put all these restrictions on them? Why not just keep them in prison?
 
2012-10-04 09:28:44 AM
Sheesh! What's the matter with you people?
58 posts in and still no:

"Hey, little girl, want some candy?"

Is this Fark or what?
 
2012-10-04 09:28:51 AM

No Such Agency: Oh you mean, back when most child molestation happened by family members or trusted acquaintances? Yeah, good thing THAT all changed.


Exactly. Statistically, a kid has better chances keeping his ass in tact at a stranger's house than he does hanging out with his gaunt uncle that always has whiskey breath.
 
2012-10-04 09:30:47 AM

Shadow Blasko: I guess we better euthanize all the registered sex offenders huh?


Give me a call if you need any help.
 
2012-10-04 09:31:06 AM
I have a neighbor, across the street and one house down, that is on the registered sex offender list. We have noticed a dramatic reduction in the number of kids that come on Halloween. I think they are avoiding the entire block. More candy for me.
 
2012-10-04 09:31:19 AM

miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows


Probably because that's the best way for them to have access to the child. That is in fact a good argument for limiting their access to children.
 
2012-10-04 09:33:42 AM

sodomizer: miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows

Probably because that's the best way for them to have access to the child. That is in fact a good argument for limiting their access to children.


Based on this, I think we should probably just err on the side of caution and remove children from their family and raise them like veal in isolated boxes. For their safety, of course.
 
2012-10-04 09:34:10 AM

Andulamb: These registries are a great idea. We need more. I'm not sure who decided that sexual offenses were the worst crimes. I'm not crazy about murder. Why isn't there a murder registry? Why can sex offenders be repeatedly and continually punished after their release from prison, but murderers aren't? How about a DUI registry? When you're on the DUI registry, you should get a special icon on your driver's license. Require that bartenders must check each patron's license, and if the DUI Registry icon is on a person's license they can't be served alcohol. Or buy alcohol. Ever. Where's the sense in keeping all sex offenders (even those whose crimes did not involve children) away from children, but we don't make any effort to keep drunk drivers away from alcohol? The more registries, the better off we all are. Criminals should be punished forever. How about those people in my town who watered their lawn on the wrong day when water restrictions were in place this summer? They should be put on some sort of registry. I think every time they water their lawn, they should have to wear a shirt that says "I stole your water" or "I don't know what day it is." Or something. (But I hope there's not a registry for parking on the wrong side of the street during a snow emergency parking ban, because I'm always getting it wrong.)

I'm being a little facetious. There's certainly a logic to recognizing that many sex offenders continue to be a risk and believing that the rest of us deserve some sort of ongoing protection. But I think fair is fair. Either we should NOT treat sex offenders differently from other criminals, or we should establish more registries for other types of criminals. One or the other. Or... If sex offenders are so dangerous, then why not just lengthen the minimum sentences? Why let them out, and then put all these restrictions on them? Why not just keep them in prison?


Ohio actually has a dui registry, and you get special license plates if you are on it.

I like you license icon idea though. DUI? No more drinks at a bar for you!
 
2012-10-04 09:34:35 AM

Sybarite: "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

Look, I think the sex offender panic has gotten out of hand, but you need to calm the fark down.


No, wait, I think he has a point there...

We should make them all wear Pedo Bears when appearing in public.
 
2012-10-04 09:38:55 AM
Vegan Meat Popsicle : I_Am_Weasel: there is something wrong with being a sex offender

No, not always. You can wind up on a sex offender registry for some pretty stupid shiat. And this is ignoring the fact that the mere existence of a registry like this means you're either a) continuing to maliciously punish people who have supposedly already paid their debt to society or b) admitting that you let a potentially dangerous person loose in the community for no good reason.

The whole sex offender thing is 100% useless and I will always support anything that helps anybody on it get back any right that's been stolen from them.

You don't want Johnny Rapesalot to live within 100 yards of a school or playground or hand out Halloween candy because you think he's a threat to kids?

Then leave him in prison, dumbasses.

/ that said, the Nazi Germany bit was pretty dumb...


See what Shadow Blasko wrote and I'll add in reference to your comment, that if we make the penalties higher, longer jail terms as you suggested, we'll have people here claiming we shouldn't do that because it will encourage the sex predators to kill their victims rather than just leave them alive.
 
2012-10-04 09:41:38 AM
they are worried about a sign ????
if some had their way there would be no leaving prison.
you know ...the final solution for sex crimes.
 
2012-10-04 09:41:47 AM
Vegan Meat Popsicle : RumsfeldsReplacement: Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

I go back to my prior point. If you've actually been caught banging kids or climbing in windows and raping people.... why the hell were you released from prison in the first place?


Because Libertarians insist that everyone no matter how bad the crime, deserves a second chance, with the exception of law enforcement people and anyone working for the government.
 
2012-10-04 09:43:04 AM

I_Am_Weasel: There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.


So, what you're saying is you didn't want an abattoir ??
 
2012-10-04 09:44:25 AM

miscreant: miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows. A parent, relative, or friend of the family. Keeping kids away from random strangers probably wouldn't even have any effect statistically on rape statistics. What probably does have an effect is the fact that children simply have far less freedom than they used to. Almost all activity for kids is much closer to home and much more structured than it was even a generation ago.

That'll teach me to post before coffee.


You said statistics twice.
 
2012-10-04 09:44:33 AM

Latinwolf: we'll have people here claiming we shouldn't do that because it will encourage the sex predators to kill their victims rather than just leave them alive.


They can claim whatever they want, I doubt they have any evidence to suggest it's true.
 
2012-10-04 09:46:43 AM
Hey, in some places they pick the offenders up in protective custody for Halloween.
 
2012-10-04 09:48:11 AM

Latinwolf: Vegan Meat Popsicle : I_Am_Weasel: there is something wrong with being a sex offender

No, not always. You can wind up on a sex offender registry for some pretty stupid shiat. And this is ignoring the fact that the mere existence of a registry like this means you're either a) continuing to maliciously punish people who have supposedly already paid their debt to society or b) admitting that you let a potentially dangerous person loose in the community for no good reason.

The whole sex offender thing is 100% useless and I will always support anything that helps anybody on it get back any right that's been stolen from them.

You don't want Johnny Rapesalot to live within 100 yards of a school or playground or hand out Halloween candy because you think he's a threat to kids?

Then leave him in prison, dumbasses.

/ that said, the Nazi Germany bit was pretty dumb...

See what Shadow Blasko wrote and I'll add in reference to your comment, that if we make the penalties higher, longer jail terms as you suggested, we'll have people here claiming we shouldn't do that because it will encourage the sex predators to kill their victims rather than just leave them alive.


Considering that murderers can get out of prison faster, are not targeted in prison like pedophiles, not put on public list with a ton of living restrictions and public humiliation, then why yes, it is better for them to kill the kid outright. It is completely asinine that you have tent cities for sex offenders due to the "stranger scare" (which can be anything from misdemeanor public urination to actual forceful sex crimes) yet have no restrictions on former prisoners who committed murder, extreme bodily injury, domestic abuse, etc.
 
2012-10-04 09:54:53 AM
Yeah, because nothing bad ever happens.
http://www.corrections.com/articles/8558
 
2012-10-04 09:56:38 AM
So... are these kiddie diddlers, or guys who take a piss next to a dumpster in a dark alley? 'Cuz there's a difference.
 
2012-10-04 10:00:15 AM

Another Government Employee: Hey, in some places they pick the offenders up in protective custody for Halloween.


They do that here.

There is usually a mandatory "support/check-in" meeting for whatever hours trick or treat is scheduled for in that location, and people on the list are absolutely required to be in attendance.
 
2012-10-04 10:05:36 AM
I've got a sign that says "registered sex offender lives here". It keeps the kids away from my door and gives them spooktacular fright at the same time.
 
2012-10-04 10:16:25 AM

Gump Worsley: Yeah, because nothing bad ever happens.
http://www.corrections.com/articles/8558


Your comment says nothing. What is your point? That sometimes people on parole look at hardcore porn and this is terrible?
 
2012-10-04 10:19:11 AM
Are these real sex offenders, or fake 'piss in the street while drunk/dated underaged schoolmate' sex offenders?
 
2012-10-04 10:25:38 AM
As has already been said, this might be a good idea if there were actual child molesters on the registery. TFA even has the police there admitting that no one on their registry is there for abusing kids. That means its all midnight pissers and at worst adult rapers.

I'm all for protecting kids and the like, but what we do to people on that list is unconstitutional and cruel. Especially when you can get on it while being a virgin.
 
2012-10-04 10:29:18 AM

Edymnion: That means its all midnight pissers and at worst adult rapers.


There could be father rapers. Right there. On the group W bench.
 
2012-10-04 10:31:09 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Edymnion: That means its all midnight pissers and at worst adult rapers.

There could be father rapers. Right there. On the group W bench.


And we know how Halloween is a gateway event for serious littering.
 
2012-10-04 10:32:54 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares


Yeah, but since most convicted kiddy diddlers are relatives or known associates of their victims, how is stopping them from giving out Halloween candy making any difference whatsoever? It's just stupid. 364 days out of the year, a convicted sex offender is evidently ignorant of any children in the neighborhood but on Halloween it's suddenly, OMG, where did all the delicious kids come from?

It's another of those stupid reactionary ordinances meant to make people feel "safer", nothing more.
 
2012-10-04 10:35:06 AM

brigid_fitch: Yeah, but since most convicted kiddy diddlers are relatives or known associates of their victims, how is stopping them from giving out Halloween candy making any difference whatsoever?


Because it's a chance to get to know them, and become 'associates'?
 
2012-10-04 10:40:12 AM
Will they restrict their "candy" to lollies? And can they hand them out from a van?
 
2012-10-04 10:42:08 AM

Cyno01: miscreant: miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows. A parent, relative, or friend of the family. Keeping kids away from random strangers probably wouldn't even have any effect statistically on rape statistics. What probably does have an effect is the fact that children simply have far less freedom than they used to. Almost all activity for kids is much closer to home and much more structured than it was even a generation ago.

That'll teach me to post before coffee.

You said statistics twice.


He likes statistics.
 
2012-10-04 10:46:31 AM

Shadow Blasko: Andulamb: These registries are a great idea. We need more. I'm not sure who decided that sexual offenses were the worst crimes. I'm not crazy about murder. Why isn't there a murder registry? Why can sex offenders be repeatedly and continually punished after their release from prison, but murderers aren't? How about a DUI registry? When you're on the DUI registry, you should get a special icon on your driver's license. Require that bartenders must check each patron's license, and if the DUI Registry icon is on a person's license they can't be served alcohol. Or buy alcohol. Ever. Where's the sense in keeping all sex offenders (even those whose crimes did not involve children) away from children, but we don't make any effort to keep drunk drivers away from alcohol? The more registries, the better off we all are. Criminals should be punished forever. How about those people in my town who watered their lawn on the wrong day when water restrictions were in place this summer? They should be put on some sort of registry. I think every time they water their lawn, they should have to wear a shirt that says "I stole your water" or "I don't know what day it is." Or something. (But I hope there's not a registry for parking on the wrong side of the street during a snow emergency parking ban, because I'm always getting it wrong.)

I'm being a little facetious. There's certainly a logic to recognizing that many sex offenders continue to be a risk and believing that the rest of us deserve some sort of ongoing protection. But I think fair is fair. Either we should NOT treat sex offenders differently from other criminals, or we should establish more registries for other types of criminals. One or the other. Or... If sex offenders are so dangerous, then why not just lengthen the minimum sentences? Why let them out, and then put all these restrictions on them? Why not just keep them in prison?

Ohio actually has a dui registry, and you get special license plates if you are on it.

I li ...


I remember some states were toying with the idea of people getting special tags on their cars after a DUI. Im not sure if any went in to practice.

If I was a sex offender the last thing I would want to do on Halloween is be around kids especially handing out candy.
 
2012-10-04 10:46:52 AM
You have offended my sex
 
2012-10-04 10:50:55 AM

groppet: Shadow Blasko: Andulamb: These registries are a great idea. We need more. I'm not sure who decided that sexual offenses were the worst crimes. I'm not crazy about murder. Why isn't there a murder registry? Why can sex offenders be repeatedly and continually punished after their release from prison, but murderers aren't? How about a DUI registry? When you're on the DUI registry, you should get a special icon on your driver's license. Require that bartenders must check each patron's license, and if the DUI Registry icon is on a person's license they can't be served alcohol. Or buy alcohol. Ever. Where's the sense in keeping all sex offenders (even those whose crimes did not involve children) away from children, but we don't make any effort to keep drunk drivers away from alcohol? The more registries, the better off we all are. Criminals should be punished forever. How about those people in my town who watered their lawn on the wrong day when water restrictions were in place this summer? They should be put on some sort of registry. I think every time they water their lawn, they should have to wear a shirt that says "I stole your water" or "I don't know what day it is." Or something. (But I hope there's not a registry for parking on the wrong side of the street during a snow emergency parking ban, because I'm always getting it wrong.)

I'm being a little facetious. There's certainly a logic to recognizing that many sex offenders continue to be a risk and believing that the rest of us deserve some sort of ongoing protection. But I think fair is fair. Either we should NOT treat sex offenders differently from other criminals, or we should establish more registries for other types of criminals. One or the other. Or... If sex offenders are so dangerous, then why not just lengthen the minimum sentences? Why let them out, and then put all these restrictions on them? Why not just keep them in prison?

Ohio actually has a dui registry, and you get special license plates if you are on it.

I li ...

I remember some states were toying with the idea of people getting special tags on their cars after a DUI. Im not sure if any went in to practice.

If I was a sex offender the last thing I would want to do on Halloween is be around kids especially handing out candy.


Ohio did (and does) it. Scarlet letters (and that's what they call it too!) On a plain yellow background

I'll post an image of one when I get back to my pc
 
2012-10-04 10:51:07 AM
the sex nazi says : NO SEX FOR YOU!
 
2012-10-04 10:56:24 AM
FirstNationalBastard: by virtue of the fact that a man had his penis out, that makes him a sex offender because someone was getting raped before it was put away. It's like a Ninja's sword. It can't be put back in its sheath without tasting blood.

So.... You have to find a woman on her period?
 
2012-10-04 11:13:20 AM

Nurglitch: sodomizer: Sex offenders are people too, you know.

Yes, people who have been found guilty of committing a sex crime. Me, I'm just going to avoid their house on hallowe'en. I'm just bigoted against sex offenders. And the Dutch.


that the same thing isn't it?
 
2012-10-04 11:23:39 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.

OK, I'll bite. Why?

what if a 3 year old saw u pee naked. what would he think then??

If a 3 year old saw me peeing at 2:30AM in an alley outside a bar, there are other far bigger problems than what I'm doing.

if there's a threat of being called a SEX OFFENDER doesn't keep you from peeing outside, maybe you really are a rapist.


not sure if serious, but i laughed so hard that my oatmeal almost went into my ears!!
 
2012-10-04 11:29:56 AM
Sex Criminal: rapist
Sex Criminal: child molester
Sex Criminal: 18 year old boy having consensual sex with his 16 year old girlfriend
Sex Criminal: guy caught whacking it in an XXX movie theater
Sex Criminal: guy caught urinating behind a bush in a public park
Sex Criminal: two gay guys caught having sex in the woods in the middle of nowhere
Sex Criminal: etc., etc., etc.

What constitutes a "sex crime" varies from state to state, are sometimes quite arbitrary and the laws unequally applied. Sex offender registries are a joke and do not stop real sex criminals from being recidivists. They're a waste of taxpayer money.
 
2012-10-04 11:30:08 AM

WTP 2: they are worried about a sign ????
if some had their way there would be no leaving prison.
you know ...the final solution for sex crimes.


It does help to keep some of them from being the perp for a while... and let's them know what they put their victims through.
 
2012-10-04 11:30:58 AM

groppet: I remember some states were toying with the idea of people getting special tags on their cars after a DUI. Im not sure if any went in to practice.


These are the Ohio DUI plates...

www.toledoblade.com

And they want plates for sex offenders too... there was a bill .. but I cant see if it passed or not.
 
2012-10-04 11:31:47 AM

Shadow Blasko: there was a bill .. but I cant see if it passed or not.


It didn't. People were worried about vigilantism.
 
2012-10-04 11:35:45 AM

The Muthaship: Shadow Blasko: there was a bill .. but I cant see if it passed or not.

It didn't. People were worried about vigilantism.


Vigilantes? In my America? Perish the thought!
 
2012-10-04 11:49:12 AM

Cyno01: miscreant: miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows. A parent, relative, or friend of the family. Keeping kids away from random strangers probably wouldn't even have any effect statistically on rape statistics. What probably does have an effect is the fact that children simply have far less freedom than they used to. Almost all activity for kids is much closer to home and much more structured than it was even a generation ago.

That'll teach me to post before coffee.

You said statistics twice.


He must really like statistics.
 
2012-10-04 11:49:56 AM

The Muthaship: Shadow Blasko: there was a bill .. but I cant see if it passed or not.

It didn't. People were worried about vigilantism.


You know, the only person I actually know on the "list" is a super nice guy who has never hurt anyone.

He was the designated driver for a group of people at a DMB concert in Cincy, and was stuck in the parking lot for over an hour trying to leave. Because he was the DD, he had been drinking soda all night (it was hot) and really had to pee. There were no porta potties in the lot (to discourage pre-gaming) and you could not re-enter the venue after the concert.

He did one of those "open the hood and pretend to look inside" things and got busted peeing on the car. (Massive police presence due to ... well.. it was a Dave Matthews show.. you do the math)

(end of what I actually SAW, the rest is what I heard.. up until the consequences part)

It was a simple ticket, and he was offered the chance to plead out on it, and did so. The PA didn't tell him that, because the concert was next to an amusement park, "kids area" even though it was midnight, his pleading out to an exposure ticket ended him on the sex offenders list.

Within 12 months he lost his job, marriage, church (shunned) car... and even unsupervised visitation for his kids.

He's basically homeless on the streets now. He was a very straightforward family man. He was chased out of his community, job, church..and basically his LIFE because he is on that list, and they don't bother telling the neighbors WHY .. just that you are a sex offender.

Makes me sick.
 
2012-10-04 11:59:03 AM

FirstNationalBastard: JosephFinn: RTFA, folks, and mock Subby for not noticing the article is not about having contact with or giving candy to children. It's about the right to decorate your house for Halloween.

Howbout we RTFA and mock you for not noticing "For offenders listed on the Megan's Law website, the city also requires a sign on the front door in letters at least an inch tall: "No candy or treats at this residence.", and that the Lawyer in the case said Her clients were particularly upset by the sign requirement.?


And this changes the rest of the article.....how? There is nothing in there about handing out candy.
 
2012-10-04 12:02:54 PM

Shadow Blasko: Makes me sick.


I'm not doubting you, but under Ohio law, that story is massively unlikely unless there is much more to it.
 
2012-10-04 12:03:08 PM

Shadow Blasko: groppet: I remember some states were toying with the idea of people getting special tags on their cars after a DUI. Im not sure if any went in to practice.

These are the Ohio DUI plates...

[www.toledoblade.com image 800x398]

And they want plates for sex offenders too... there was a bill .. but I cant see if it passed or not.


I remember those - the funny part was that the Administration representative for my college's greek system had one on his car. Who better to advise a frat about "buttchugging" then someone busted for DUI?
 
2012-10-04 12:04:56 PM

The Muthaship: Shadow Blasko: Makes me sick.

I'm not doubting you, but under Ohio law, that story is massively unlikely unless there is much more to it.


I won't say that there was not something more... I don't know, so I won't say that I do.

All I know is that I was there for him getting busted... and I saw what happened after. What occurred in court is unknown to me.

Granted, this was almost a decade ago.
 
2012-10-04 12:06:35 PM

Shadow Blasko: Granted, this was almost a decade ago


I hope he gets things turned around, regardless.
 
2012-10-04 12:09:40 PM

The Muthaship: Shadow Blasko: Granted, this was almost a decade ago

I hope he gets things turned around, regardless.


I have not talked to him in a few years. I hope he has. Last I heard he was trying to get money enough together to get a good lawyer in regards to dealing with custody.

Hopefully his wife grew a spine and told her parents to stick it up their assess (thats why the divorce happened, her parents were being harassed by an "advocacy group" and she could not deal with the flack)
 
2012-10-04 12:11:13 PM

vudukungfu: I_Am_Weasel: There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.

So, what you're saying is you didn't want an abattoir ??


Yes, and well done, huh, but we did want a block of flats.
 
2012-10-04 12:21:04 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: You don't want Johnny Rapesalot to live within 100 yards of a school or playground or hand out Halloween candy because you think he's a threat to kids? Then leave him in prison, dumbasses.


Agreed. If they are a danger to society, have a judge declare as such and have them institutionalized. Otherwise, once they serve their sentence and parole, leave them the fark alone.

It is just a matter of time before people start ending up on registries for other crimes. Eventually it'll become so watered down that it'll be useless.
 
2012-10-04 12:21:08 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "To us, it's similar to branding," she said. "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

And you just lost your case right there...


I'm in a sociology course right now. The last chapter we worked on actually made the same reference when it was talking about criminal actions and public shaming.
Essentials of Sociology: A Down to Earth Approach by James Henslin
 
2012-10-04 12:22:22 PM
Don't want to do the time? Don't do the crime, dumbasses.
 
2012-10-04 12:24:06 PM

Shadow Blasko: I guess we better euthanize all the registered sex offenders huh?


I'm okay with that.jpeg
 
2012-10-04 12:26:19 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't want to do the time? Don't do the crime, dumbasses.


I'm ok with that.

As long as the "time" is time. Not the rest of your life.
 
2012-10-04 12:29:59 PM
A sex offender living in Simi Valley?
Isn't that like a cat living at the dog pound??
 
2012-10-04 12:40:36 PM
A sign that says "No candy or treats at this house?" How about a "Stay the fark off of my lawn or I will shoot you!" sign instead... The idea that some little brats have some sort of right to just walk up to people's houses and beg for candy is ludicrous. Trick or treat at your own risk.
 
2012-10-04 12:45:18 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "To us, it's similar to branding," she said. "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

And you just lost your case right there...

There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.


And I would agree with you if our "Sex Offender" registry was not so farking broad. You immediately think they are a rapist or some other terrible thing when they could have been nothing more than a college age streaker or a child who had oral sex with another child in a state where oral sex is illegal. They could also be a young man (or woman) who picked up an individual at a 21+ establishment like a bar had sex with someone who should have been ID'ed at the door but the burden is on them the adult.

And the biggest thing that pisses me off is the fact that criminals in general that serve their time should be free and clear. If you don't want them on the street then we should give them all 100 year sentences w/o parole or execute them. Because this offender registry is less humane than death.
 
2012-10-04 01:07:04 PM

The Muthaship: brigid_fitch: Yeah, but since most convicted kiddy diddlers are relatives or known associates of their victims, how is stopping them from giving out Halloween candy making any difference whatsoever?

Because it's a chance to get to know them, and become 'associates'?


Again, are you saying that there's no way a sex offender can get a chance to know kids in his own neighborhood the other 364 days a year?

Or, as someone pointed out upthread, in all the years all of us have handed out Halloween candy to neighborhood kids, how many "associations" have we made w/said kids? I've lived in the same neighborhood for 14 years and I'm lucky I can remember their names. What makes Halloween so special? The fact that the kid is knocking on their door, in broad daylight, when there are tons of other people walking around?

I see the kids most often in my neighborhood when I'm walking the dog. I have a Great Dane, so, to kids, she's this giant, exotic beast. Before her, we had a German Shepherd who would catch frisbees and the kids would fight over the chance to play with her. If I were a sex offender, why the hell wait for Halloween to roll around for a chance to meet kids? Just get a dog that will attract their attention. This Halloween candy ban thing is just stupid.
 
2012-10-04 01:14:14 PM

brigid_fitch: Again, are you saying that there's no way a sex offender can get a chance to know kids in his own neighborhood the other 364 days a year?


I'm saying you limit them where you can. Especially unsupervised contact like trick or treating. I don't know what the issue is, really. I don't think it's fair that they can't decorate their houses, but keeping them away from kids is pretty standard stuff.
 
2012-10-04 01:50:29 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Gump Worsley: Yeah, because nothing bad ever happens.
http://www.corrections.com/articles/8558

Your comment says nothing. What is your point? That sometimes people on parole look at hardcore porn and this is terrible?


"Turner was forbidden from possessing sexually explicit materials without approval from state officials as part of his parole for the 1973 murder and sexual assault of a 9-year-old Lisa French of Fond du Lac girl on Halloween. The girl came to Turner's house while trick-or-treating."

Sound out the big words if you have to.
 
2012-10-04 01:57:16 PM
Van lollies are the sweetest suckers.
 
2012-10-04 02:02:03 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't want to do the time? Don't do the crime, dumbasses.


What crime? Which ones, specifically? Also, are those crimes you decide are egregious enough tow arrant having your entire life destroyed the only crimes that land you on the registry? If not, then what percentage of the registry is comprised of only those crimes?

"Sex Offender" does not mean "rapist" or "kiddy diddler".
 
2012-10-04 02:04:49 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "To us, it's similar to branding," she said. "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

And you just lost your case right there...

There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.


Not to burst your greater-than-thou bubble, but being Jewish was illegal at the time. And to presume every Jew in Germany/Hungary/Poland was innocent and not a criminal by today's legal and/or moral standards is also a bit ambitious.
 
2012-10-04 02:18:14 PM

buckeyebrain: Cyno01: miscreant: miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows. A parent, relative, or friend of the family. Keeping kids away from random strangers probably wouldn't even have any effect statistically on rape statistics. What probably does have an effect is the fact that children simply have far less freedom than they used to. Almost all activity for kids is much closer to home and much more structured than it was even a generation ago.

That'll teach me to post before coffee.

You said statistics twice.

He likes statistics.


A 40lb. box of statistics?

/You know you want to open it
 
2012-10-04 02:18:50 PM
My younger brother and housemate is a registered offender. He served his time and is out on a "conditional" release. My older brother and I had to move out of our really nice town home because of his status. We found a sympathetic (does not give a fark) landlord and moved into a significantly shatty-er neighborhood so that we can stay together as a family and help each other out. He just got the "notice" about Halloween. He was not a kid diddler. More of "I'm so drunk" - "what did we do?" story. We essentially have to turn out the lights and put a notice on the door. No candy, no decorations, no parties, no going to haunted houses with his nieces, nothing. Stay at home and hide. It sucks. He was able to celebrate more of a Halloween in the penitentiary then in the "freedom" of outside. My brother is not a predator. He served his time.
 
2012-10-04 02:37:11 PM

Gump Worsley: Sound out the big words if you have to.


Since you refuse to actually say anything, I'll assume your point is that you hate porn.
 
2012-10-04 02:47:06 PM

nickerj1: I_Am_Weasel: "To us, it's similar to branding," she said. "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

And you just lost your case right there...

There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.

Not to burst your greater-than-thou bubble, but being Jewish was illegal at the time. And to presume every Jew in Germany/Hungary/Poland was innocent and not a criminal by today's legal and/or moral standards is also a bit ambitious.


So can we extrapolate from that that in 60 or 70 years time, being a sex offender won't be illegal? The problem was with being Jewish, wasn't it, not being a criminal. So burst away, just try doing it with some relevance.
 
2012-10-04 03:18:48 PM

I_Am_Weasel: So can we extrapolate from that that in 60 or 70 years time, being a sex offender won't be illegal? The problem was with being Jewish, wasn't it, not being a criminal. So burst away, just try doing it with some relevance.


That is not how it works. Educate yourself on the following ... Status, Ascribed Status, Achieved Status, Master Status, Status Symbols, Stigma, and Negative Sanctions.
 
2012-10-04 03:38:40 PM

branchtroy: My younger brother and housemate is a registered offender. He served his time and is out on a "conditional" release. My older brother and I had to move out of our really nice town home because of his status. We found a sympathetic (does not give a fark) landlord and moved into a significantly shatty-er neighborhood so that we can stay together as a family and help each other out. He just got the "notice" about Halloween. He was not a kid diddler. More of "I'm so drunk" - "what did we do?" story. We essentially have to turn out the lights and put a notice on the door. No candy, no decorations, no parties, no going to haunted houses with his nieces, nothing. Stay at home and hide. It sucks. He was able to celebrate more of a Halloween in the penitentiary then in the "freedom" of outside. My brother is not a predator. He served his time.


Not according to the ITGs in this thread. Several want to see him dead.

/I'm not one of them
//getting on the registry can really happen to just about anybody
///I had a friend who had a similar story to yours - ruined his life forever
 
2012-10-04 04:35:03 PM
Just watch out for the "reach into the bag for candy" trick.
You know,cut hole in bag,insert weener,fill with candy,have them reach in and......
 
2012-10-04 04:41:47 PM
If mean by sex offender, that hippie seen peeing off the back porch by that nosy neighbor or that 18 yr old hs senior sleeping with his sophmore girlfriend, I have no problems with you handing out candy.

Now if you mean convicted child rapist/ pornographer/ molester- type sex offender, I'd prefer you were doing nothing that would induce my kids to interact with you- even if in the name of "holiday spirit". Staying away from kids is your sentence, regardless if you think you've done your time.

You could try converting to another religion that will reward you with 72 "special playmates" should you voluntarily set yourself on fire though.
 
2012-10-04 05:10:31 PM

No Such Agency: HotWingConspiracy:
Remember before we had registries, when all those kids were getting raped getting Halloween candy?

No? Neither does anyone else.

Oh you mean, back when most child molestation happened by family members or trusted acquaintances? Yeah, good thing THAT all changed.

Honestly, I think forbidding sex offenders from decorating for Halloween at all is a bit excessive. They probably shouldn't be allowed to give out candy, but lots of people who decorate don't give out candy. Just make them keep the porch light off. They can stay inside and eat the little chocolate bars themselves, like we all did in college.


Isn't child molestation a crime of opportunity? That would explain why family members and familiars to the child would most commonly be the culprits as oppposed to that stranger down at the end of the lane?

Don't we relax the rules during the holidays making exceptions to rules about talking to strangers and accepting gifts and candy from them? If so- this would create a more opportunistic time in which a non- familiar may have access to a child. For this reason, the authorities discourage any behavior that may attract a child into a sex offender's home, especially when so many parents have their guard down.

Should sex offenders be kept in jail? Not to exceed the court's sentence. I think they are pretty much like ex- substance addicts and abusers: mostly harmless if you don't tempt them with the source of their addiction. For those who cannot control their addiction- then yes: back to prison you go.
 
2012-10-04 05:25:46 PM
http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/47315103#pm_cmp=vid_OEV_P_P
 
2012-10-04 05:27:03 PM

Kuroshin: branchtroy: My younger brother and housemate is a registered offender. He served his time and is out on a "conditional" release. My older brother and I had to move out of our really nice town home because of his status. We found a sympathetic (does not give a fark) landlord and moved into a significantly shatty-er neighborhood so that we can stay together as a family and help each other out. He just got the "notice" about Halloween. He was not a kid diddler. More of "I'm so drunk" - "what did we do?" story. We essentially have to turn out the lights and put a notice on the door. No candy, no decorations, no parties, no going to haunted houses with his nieces, nothing. Stay at home and hide. It sucks. He was able to celebrate more of a Halloween in the penitentiary then in the "freedom" of outside. My brother is not a predator. He served his time.

Not according to the ITGs in this thread. Several want to see him dead.

/I'm not one of them
//getting on the registry can really happen to just about anybody
///I had a friend who had a similar story to yours - ruined his life forever


Thanks Kuroshin... You are absolutely right.
 
2012-10-04 10:35:57 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "To us, it's similar to branding," she said. "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

And you just lost your case right there...

There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.


What are you TALKING about?

That's like saying being fat isn't like being a gay black Hindu or something!
 
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