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(LA Times)   Sex offenders sue for the right to hand out Halloween candy, are already stocking up on M&Ms and Baby Roofies   (latimes.com) divider line 135
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2012-10-04 11:49:12 AM

Cyno01: miscreant: miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows. A parent, relative, or friend of the family. Keeping kids away from random strangers probably wouldn't even have any effect statistically on rape statistics. What probably does have an effect is the fact that children simply have far less freedom than they used to. Almost all activity for kids is much closer to home and much more structured than it was even a generation ago.

That'll teach me to post before coffee.

You said statistics twice.


He must really like statistics.
 
2012-10-04 11:49:56 AM

The Muthaship: Shadow Blasko: there was a bill .. but I cant see if it passed or not.

It didn't. People were worried about vigilantism.


You know, the only person I actually know on the "list" is a super nice guy who has never hurt anyone.

He was the designated driver for a group of people at a DMB concert in Cincy, and was stuck in the parking lot for over an hour trying to leave. Because he was the DD, he had been drinking soda all night (it was hot) and really had to pee. There were no porta potties in the lot (to discourage pre-gaming) and you could not re-enter the venue after the concert.

He did one of those "open the hood and pretend to look inside" things and got busted peeing on the car. (Massive police presence due to ... well.. it was a Dave Matthews show.. you do the math)

(end of what I actually SAW, the rest is what I heard.. up until the consequences part)

It was a simple ticket, and he was offered the chance to plead out on it, and did so. The PA didn't tell him that, because the concert was next to an amusement park, "kids area" even though it was midnight, his pleading out to an exposure ticket ended him on the sex offenders list.

Within 12 months he lost his job, marriage, church (shunned) car... and even unsupervised visitation for his kids.

He's basically homeless on the streets now. He was a very straightforward family man. He was chased out of his community, job, church..and basically his LIFE because he is on that list, and they don't bother telling the neighbors WHY .. just that you are a sex offender.

Makes me sick.
 
2012-10-04 11:59:03 AM

FirstNationalBastard: JosephFinn: RTFA, folks, and mock Subby for not noticing the article is not about having contact with or giving candy to children. It's about the right to decorate your house for Halloween.

Howbout we RTFA and mock you for not noticing "For offenders listed on the Megan's Law website, the city also requires a sign on the front door in letters at least an inch tall: "No candy or treats at this residence.", and that the Lawyer in the case said Her clients were particularly upset by the sign requirement.?


And this changes the rest of the article.....how? There is nothing in there about handing out candy.
 
2012-10-04 12:02:54 PM

Shadow Blasko: Makes me sick.


I'm not doubting you, but under Ohio law, that story is massively unlikely unless there is much more to it.
 
2012-10-04 12:03:08 PM

Shadow Blasko: groppet: I remember some states were toying with the idea of people getting special tags on their cars after a DUI. Im not sure if any went in to practice.

These are the Ohio DUI plates...

[www.toledoblade.com image 800x398]

And they want plates for sex offenders too... there was a bill .. but I cant see if it passed or not.


I remember those - the funny part was that the Administration representative for my college's greek system had one on his car. Who better to advise a frat about "buttchugging" then someone busted for DUI?
 
2012-10-04 12:04:56 PM

The Muthaship: Shadow Blasko: Makes me sick.

I'm not doubting you, but under Ohio law, that story is massively unlikely unless there is much more to it.


I won't say that there was not something more... I don't know, so I won't say that I do.

All I know is that I was there for him getting busted... and I saw what happened after. What occurred in court is unknown to me.

Granted, this was almost a decade ago.
 
2012-10-04 12:06:35 PM

Shadow Blasko: Granted, this was almost a decade ago


I hope he gets things turned around, regardless.
 
2012-10-04 12:09:40 PM

The Muthaship: Shadow Blasko: Granted, this was almost a decade ago

I hope he gets things turned around, regardless.


I have not talked to him in a few years. I hope he has. Last I heard he was trying to get money enough together to get a good lawyer in regards to dealing with custody.

Hopefully his wife grew a spine and told her parents to stick it up their assess (thats why the divorce happened, her parents were being harassed by an "advocacy group" and she could not deal with the flack)
 
2012-10-04 12:11:13 PM

vudukungfu: I_Am_Weasel: There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.

So, what you're saying is you didn't want an abattoir ??


Yes, and well done, huh, but we did want a block of flats.
 
2012-10-04 12:21:04 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: You don't want Johnny Rapesalot to live within 100 yards of a school or playground or hand out Halloween candy because you think he's a threat to kids? Then leave him in prison, dumbasses.


Agreed. If they are a danger to society, have a judge declare as such and have them institutionalized. Otherwise, once they serve their sentence and parole, leave them the fark alone.

It is just a matter of time before people start ending up on registries for other crimes. Eventually it'll become so watered down that it'll be useless.
 
2012-10-04 12:21:08 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "To us, it's similar to branding," she said. "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

And you just lost your case right there...


I'm in a sociology course right now. The last chapter we worked on actually made the same reference when it was talking about criminal actions and public shaming.
Essentials of Sociology: A Down to Earth Approach by James Henslin
 
2012-10-04 12:22:22 PM
Don't want to do the time? Don't do the crime, dumbasses.
 
2012-10-04 12:24:06 PM

Shadow Blasko: I guess we better euthanize all the registered sex offenders huh?


I'm okay with that.jpeg
 
2012-10-04 12:26:19 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't want to do the time? Don't do the crime, dumbasses.


I'm ok with that.

As long as the "time" is time. Not the rest of your life.
 
2012-10-04 12:29:59 PM
A sex offender living in Simi Valley?
Isn't that like a cat living at the dog pound??
 
2012-10-04 12:40:36 PM
A sign that says "No candy or treats at this house?" How about a "Stay the fark off of my lawn or I will shoot you!" sign instead... The idea that some little brats have some sort of right to just walk up to people's houses and beg for candy is ludicrous. Trick or treat at your own risk.
 
2012-10-04 12:45:18 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "To us, it's similar to branding," she said. "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

And you just lost your case right there...

There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.


And I would agree with you if our "Sex Offender" registry was not so farking broad. You immediately think they are a rapist or some other terrible thing when they could have been nothing more than a college age streaker or a child who had oral sex with another child in a state where oral sex is illegal. They could also be a young man (or woman) who picked up an individual at a 21+ establishment like a bar had sex with someone who should have been ID'ed at the door but the burden is on them the adult.

And the biggest thing that pisses me off is the fact that criminals in general that serve their time should be free and clear. If you don't want them on the street then we should give them all 100 year sentences w/o parole or execute them. Because this offender registry is less humane than death.
 
2012-10-04 01:07:04 PM

The Muthaship: brigid_fitch: Yeah, but since most convicted kiddy diddlers are relatives or known associates of their victims, how is stopping them from giving out Halloween candy making any difference whatsoever?

Because it's a chance to get to know them, and become 'associates'?


Again, are you saying that there's no way a sex offender can get a chance to know kids in his own neighborhood the other 364 days a year?

Or, as someone pointed out upthread, in all the years all of us have handed out Halloween candy to neighborhood kids, how many "associations" have we made w/said kids? I've lived in the same neighborhood for 14 years and I'm lucky I can remember their names. What makes Halloween so special? The fact that the kid is knocking on their door, in broad daylight, when there are tons of other people walking around?

I see the kids most often in my neighborhood when I'm walking the dog. I have a Great Dane, so, to kids, she's this giant, exotic beast. Before her, we had a German Shepherd who would catch frisbees and the kids would fight over the chance to play with her. If I were a sex offender, why the hell wait for Halloween to roll around for a chance to meet kids? Just get a dog that will attract their attention. This Halloween candy ban thing is just stupid.
 
2012-10-04 01:14:14 PM

brigid_fitch: Again, are you saying that there's no way a sex offender can get a chance to know kids in his own neighborhood the other 364 days a year?


I'm saying you limit them where you can. Especially unsupervised contact like trick or treating. I don't know what the issue is, really. I don't think it's fair that they can't decorate their houses, but keeping them away from kids is pretty standard stuff.
 
2012-10-04 01:50:29 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Gump Worsley: Yeah, because nothing bad ever happens.
http://www.corrections.com/articles/8558

Your comment says nothing. What is your point? That sometimes people on parole look at hardcore porn and this is terrible?


"Turner was forbidden from possessing sexually explicit materials without approval from state officials as part of his parole for the 1973 murder and sexual assault of a 9-year-old Lisa French of Fond du Lac girl on Halloween. The girl came to Turner's house while trick-or-treating."

Sound out the big words if you have to.
 
2012-10-04 01:57:16 PM
Van lollies are the sweetest suckers.
 
2012-10-04 02:02:03 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't want to do the time? Don't do the crime, dumbasses.


What crime? Which ones, specifically? Also, are those crimes you decide are egregious enough tow arrant having your entire life destroyed the only crimes that land you on the registry? If not, then what percentage of the registry is comprised of only those crimes?

"Sex Offender" does not mean "rapist" or "kiddy diddler".
 
2012-10-04 02:04:49 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "To us, it's similar to branding," she said. "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

And you just lost your case right there...

There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.


Not to burst your greater-than-thou bubble, but being Jewish was illegal at the time. And to presume every Jew in Germany/Hungary/Poland was innocent and not a criminal by today's legal and/or moral standards is also a bit ambitious.
 
2012-10-04 02:18:14 PM

buckeyebrain: Cyno01: miscreant: miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows. A parent, relative, or friend of the family. Keeping kids away from random strangers probably wouldn't even have any effect statistically on rape statistics. What probably does have an effect is the fact that children simply have far less freedom than they used to. Almost all activity for kids is much closer to home and much more structured than it was even a generation ago.

That'll teach me to post before coffee.

You said statistics twice.

He likes statistics.


A 40lb. box of statistics?

/You know you want to open it
 
2012-10-04 02:18:50 PM
My younger brother and housemate is a registered offender. He served his time and is out on a "conditional" release. My older brother and I had to move out of our really nice town home because of his status. We found a sympathetic (does not give a fark) landlord and moved into a significantly shatty-er neighborhood so that we can stay together as a family and help each other out. He just got the "notice" about Halloween. He was not a kid diddler. More of "I'm so drunk" - "what did we do?" story. We essentially have to turn out the lights and put a notice on the door. No candy, no decorations, no parties, no going to haunted houses with his nieces, nothing. Stay at home and hide. It sucks. He was able to celebrate more of a Halloween in the penitentiary then in the "freedom" of outside. My brother is not a predator. He served his time.
 
2012-10-04 02:37:11 PM

Gump Worsley: Sound out the big words if you have to.


Since you refuse to actually say anything, I'll assume your point is that you hate porn.
 
2012-10-04 02:47:06 PM

nickerj1: I_Am_Weasel: "To us, it's similar to branding," she said. "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

And you just lost your case right there...

There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.

Not to burst your greater-than-thou bubble, but being Jewish was illegal at the time. And to presume every Jew in Germany/Hungary/Poland was innocent and not a criminal by today's legal and/or moral standards is also a bit ambitious.


So can we extrapolate from that that in 60 or 70 years time, being a sex offender won't be illegal? The problem was with being Jewish, wasn't it, not being a criminal. So burst away, just try doing it with some relevance.
 
2012-10-04 03:18:48 PM

I_Am_Weasel: So can we extrapolate from that that in 60 or 70 years time, being a sex offender won't be illegal? The problem was with being Jewish, wasn't it, not being a criminal. So burst away, just try doing it with some relevance.


That is not how it works. Educate yourself on the following ... Status, Ascribed Status, Achieved Status, Master Status, Status Symbols, Stigma, and Negative Sanctions.
 
2012-10-04 03:38:40 PM

branchtroy: My younger brother and housemate is a registered offender. He served his time and is out on a "conditional" release. My older brother and I had to move out of our really nice town home because of his status. We found a sympathetic (does not give a fark) landlord and moved into a significantly shatty-er neighborhood so that we can stay together as a family and help each other out. He just got the "notice" about Halloween. He was not a kid diddler. More of "I'm so drunk" - "what did we do?" story. We essentially have to turn out the lights and put a notice on the door. No candy, no decorations, no parties, no going to haunted houses with his nieces, nothing. Stay at home and hide. It sucks. He was able to celebrate more of a Halloween in the penitentiary then in the "freedom" of outside. My brother is not a predator. He served his time.


Not according to the ITGs in this thread. Several want to see him dead.

/I'm not one of them
//getting on the registry can really happen to just about anybody
///I had a friend who had a similar story to yours - ruined his life forever
 
2012-10-04 04:35:03 PM
Just watch out for the "reach into the bag for candy" trick.
You know,cut hole in bag,insert weener,fill with candy,have them reach in and......
 
2012-10-04 04:41:47 PM
If mean by sex offender, that hippie seen peeing off the back porch by that nosy neighbor or that 18 yr old hs senior sleeping with his sophmore girlfriend, I have no problems with you handing out candy.

Now if you mean convicted child rapist/ pornographer/ molester- type sex offender, I'd prefer you were doing nothing that would induce my kids to interact with you- even if in the name of "holiday spirit". Staying away from kids is your sentence, regardless if you think you've done your time.

You could try converting to another religion that will reward you with 72 "special playmates" should you voluntarily set yourself on fire though.
 
2012-10-04 05:10:31 PM

No Such Agency: HotWingConspiracy:
Remember before we had registries, when all those kids were getting raped getting Halloween candy?

No? Neither does anyone else.

Oh you mean, back when most child molestation happened by family members or trusted acquaintances? Yeah, good thing THAT all changed.

Honestly, I think forbidding sex offenders from decorating for Halloween at all is a bit excessive. They probably shouldn't be allowed to give out candy, but lots of people who decorate don't give out candy. Just make them keep the porch light off. They can stay inside and eat the little chocolate bars themselves, like we all did in college.


Isn't child molestation a crime of opportunity? That would explain why family members and familiars to the child would most commonly be the culprits as oppposed to that stranger down at the end of the lane?

Don't we relax the rules during the holidays making exceptions to rules about talking to strangers and accepting gifts and candy from them? If so- this would create a more opportunistic time in which a non- familiar may have access to a child. For this reason, the authorities discourage any behavior that may attract a child into a sex offender's home, especially when so many parents have their guard down.

Should sex offenders be kept in jail? Not to exceed the court's sentence. I think they are pretty much like ex- substance addicts and abusers: mostly harmless if you don't tempt them with the source of their addiction. For those who cannot control their addiction- then yes: back to prison you go.
 
2012-10-04 05:25:46 PM
http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/47315103#pm_cmp=vid_OEV_P_P
 
2012-10-04 05:27:03 PM

Kuroshin: branchtroy: My younger brother and housemate is a registered offender. He served his time and is out on a "conditional" release. My older brother and I had to move out of our really nice town home because of his status. We found a sympathetic (does not give a fark) landlord and moved into a significantly shatty-er neighborhood so that we can stay together as a family and help each other out. He just got the "notice" about Halloween. He was not a kid diddler. More of "I'm so drunk" - "what did we do?" story. We essentially have to turn out the lights and put a notice on the door. No candy, no decorations, no parties, no going to haunted houses with his nieces, nothing. Stay at home and hide. It sucks. He was able to celebrate more of a Halloween in the penitentiary then in the "freedom" of outside. My brother is not a predator. He served his time.

Not according to the ITGs in this thread. Several want to see him dead.

/I'm not one of them
//getting on the registry can really happen to just about anybody
///I had a friend who had a similar story to yours - ruined his life forever


Thanks Kuroshin... You are absolutely right.
 
2012-10-04 10:35:57 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "To us, it's similar to branding," she said. "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

And you just lost your case right there...

There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.


What are you TALKING about?

That's like saying being fat isn't like being a gay black Hindu or something!
 
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