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(LA Times)   Sex offenders sue for the right to hand out Halloween candy, are already stocking up on M&Ms and Baby Roofies   (latimes.com) divider line 135
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2012-10-04 09:23:05 AM
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One, two, tie your shoe.
Three, four, pick up the floor.
Five, six, don't play tricks.
Seven, eight, clean your plate.
Nine, ten, start over again!
 
2012-10-04 09:23:10 AM

JosephFinn: RTFA, folks, and mock Subby for not noticing the article is not about having contact with or giving candy to children. It's about the right to decorate your house for Halloween.


I don't think that's in the constitution.
 
2012-10-04 09:23:23 AM
HotWingConspiracy:
Remember before we had registries, when all those kids were getting raped getting Halloween candy?

No? Neither does anyone else.


Oh you mean, back when most child molestation happened by family members or trusted acquaintances? Yeah, good thing THAT all changed.

Honestly, I think forbidding sex offenders from decorating for Halloween at all is a bit excessive. They probably shouldn't be allowed to give out candy, but lots of people who decorate don't give out candy. Just make them keep the porch light off. They can stay inside and eat the little chocolate bars themselves, like we all did in college.
 
2012-10-04 09:23:25 AM

meanmutton: it's not hard to believe that keeping children away from sexual predators is one of those reasons.


You know where there isn't easy access to kids for these predators? Yup, prison!

/would much rather have a Pot offenders list to look over
 
2012-10-04 09:23:41 AM

miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows. A parent, relative, or friend of the family. Keeping kids away from random strangers probably wouldn't even have any effect statistically on rape statistics. What probably does have an effect is the fact that children simply have far less freedom than they used to. Almost all activity for kids is much closer to home and much more structured than it was even a generation ago.


That'll teach me to post before coffee.
 
2012-10-04 09:24:36 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.

OK, I'll bite. Why?

what if a 3 year old saw u pee naked. what would he think then??

If a 3 year old saw me peeing at 2:30AM in an alley outside a bar, there are other far bigger problems than what I'm doing.

if there's a threat of being called a SEX OFFENDER doesn't keep you from peeing outside, maybe you really are a rapist.


Ah, so you are just trolling. Good to know. I feel stupid now.
 
2012-10-04 09:25:31 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.

OK, I'll bite. Why?

what if a 3 year old saw u pee naked. what would he think then??

If a 3 year old saw me peeing at 2:30AM in an alley outside a bar, there are other far bigger problems than what I'm doing.

if there's a threat of being called a SEX OFFENDER doesn't keep you from peeing outside, maybe you really are a rapist.

Ah, so you are just trolling. Good to know. I feel stupid now.


penis = sex. this is why nudity is not allowed
 
2012-10-04 09:25:35 AM
RumsfeldsReplacement:
If a 3 year old saw me peeing at 2:30AM in an alley outside a bar, there are other far bigger problems than what I'm doing.

www.digitalbusstop.com

Poor Prue...
 
2012-10-04 09:28:11 AM
These registries are a great idea. We need more. I'm not sure who decided that sexual offenses were the worst crimes. I'm not crazy about murder. Why isn't there a murder registry? Why can sex offenders be repeatedly and continually punished after their release from prison, but murderers aren't? How about a DUI registry? When you're on the DUI registry, you should get a special icon on your driver's license. Require that bartenders must check each patron's license, and if the DUI Registry icon is on a person's license they can't be served alcohol. Or buy alcohol. Ever. Where's the sense in keeping all sex offenders (even those whose crimes did not involve children) away from children, but we don't make any effort to keep drunk drivers away from alcohol? The more registries, the better off we all are. Criminals should be punished forever. How about those people in my town who watered their lawn on the wrong day when water restrictions were in place this summer? They should be put on some sort of registry. I think every time they water their lawn, they should have to wear a shirt that says "I stole your water" or "I don't know what day it is." Or something. (But I hope there's not a registry for parking on the wrong side of the street during a snow emergency parking ban, because I'm always getting it wrong.)

I'm being a little facetious. There's certainly a logic to recognizing that many sex offenders continue to be a risk and believing that the rest of us deserve some sort of ongoing protection. But I think fair is fair. Either we should NOT treat sex offenders differently from other criminals, or we should establish more registries for other types of criminals. One or the other. Or... If sex offenders are so dangerous, then why not just lengthen the minimum sentences? Why let them out, and then put all these restrictions on them? Why not just keep them in prison?
 
2012-10-04 09:28:44 AM
Sheesh! What's the matter with you people?
58 posts in and still no:

"Hey, little girl, want some candy?"

Is this Fark or what?
 
2012-10-04 09:28:51 AM

No Such Agency: Oh you mean, back when most child molestation happened by family members or trusted acquaintances? Yeah, good thing THAT all changed.


Exactly. Statistically, a kid has better chances keeping his ass in tact at a stranger's house than he does hanging out with his gaunt uncle that always has whiskey breath.
 
2012-10-04 09:30:47 AM

Shadow Blasko: I guess we better euthanize all the registered sex offenders huh?


Give me a call if you need any help.
 
2012-10-04 09:31:06 AM
I have a neighbor, across the street and one house down, that is on the registered sex offender list. We have noticed a dramatic reduction in the number of kids that come on Halloween. I think they are avoiding the entire block. More candy for me.
 
2012-10-04 09:31:19 AM

miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows


Probably because that's the best way for them to have access to the child. That is in fact a good argument for limiting their access to children.
 
2012-10-04 09:33:42 AM

sodomizer: miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows

Probably because that's the best way for them to have access to the child. That is in fact a good argument for limiting their access to children.


Based on this, I think we should probably just err on the side of caution and remove children from their family and raise them like veal in isolated boxes. For their safety, of course.
 
2012-10-04 09:34:10 AM

Andulamb: These registries are a great idea. We need more. I'm not sure who decided that sexual offenses were the worst crimes. I'm not crazy about murder. Why isn't there a murder registry? Why can sex offenders be repeatedly and continually punished after their release from prison, but murderers aren't? How about a DUI registry? When you're on the DUI registry, you should get a special icon on your driver's license. Require that bartenders must check each patron's license, and if the DUI Registry icon is on a person's license they can't be served alcohol. Or buy alcohol. Ever. Where's the sense in keeping all sex offenders (even those whose crimes did not involve children) away from children, but we don't make any effort to keep drunk drivers away from alcohol? The more registries, the better off we all are. Criminals should be punished forever. How about those people in my town who watered their lawn on the wrong day when water restrictions were in place this summer? They should be put on some sort of registry. I think every time they water their lawn, they should have to wear a shirt that says "I stole your water" or "I don't know what day it is." Or something. (But I hope there's not a registry for parking on the wrong side of the street during a snow emergency parking ban, because I'm always getting it wrong.)

I'm being a little facetious. There's certainly a logic to recognizing that many sex offenders continue to be a risk and believing that the rest of us deserve some sort of ongoing protection. But I think fair is fair. Either we should NOT treat sex offenders differently from other criminals, or we should establish more registries for other types of criminals. One or the other. Or... If sex offenders are so dangerous, then why not just lengthen the minimum sentences? Why let them out, and then put all these restrictions on them? Why not just keep them in prison?


Ohio actually has a dui registry, and you get special license plates if you are on it.

I like you license icon idea though. DUI? No more drinks at a bar for you!
 
2012-10-04 09:34:35 AM

Sybarite: "We can think of what happened in Nazi Germany, where Jews had to appear in public wearing yellow stars."

Look, I think the sex offender panic has gotten out of hand, but you need to calm the fark down.


No, wait, I think he has a point there...

We should make them all wear Pedo Bears when appearing in public.
 
2012-10-04 09:38:55 AM
Vegan Meat Popsicle : I_Am_Weasel: there is something wrong with being a sex offender

No, not always. You can wind up on a sex offender registry for some pretty stupid shiat. And this is ignoring the fact that the mere existence of a registry like this means you're either a) continuing to maliciously punish people who have supposedly already paid their debt to society or b) admitting that you let a potentially dangerous person loose in the community for no good reason.

The whole sex offender thing is 100% useless and I will always support anything that helps anybody on it get back any right that's been stolen from them.

You don't want Johnny Rapesalot to live within 100 yards of a school or playground or hand out Halloween candy because you think he's a threat to kids?

Then leave him in prison, dumbasses.

/ that said, the Nazi Germany bit was pretty dumb...


See what Shadow Blasko wrote and I'll add in reference to your comment, that if we make the penalties higher, longer jail terms as you suggested, we'll have people here claiming we shouldn't do that because it will encourage the sex predators to kill their victims rather than just leave them alive.
 
2012-10-04 09:41:38 AM
they are worried about a sign ????
if some had their way there would be no leaving prison.
you know ...the final solution for sex crimes.
 
2012-10-04 09:41:47 AM
Vegan Meat Popsicle : RumsfeldsReplacement: Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

I go back to my prior point. If you've actually been caught banging kids or climbing in windows and raping people.... why the hell were you released from prison in the first place?


Because Libertarians insist that everyone no matter how bad the crime, deserves a second chance, with the exception of law enforcement people and anyone working for the government.
 
2012-10-04 09:43:04 AM

I_Am_Weasel: There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, there is something wrong with being a sex offender. To suggest you're the same as an innocent bystander who was systematically slaughtered is, well, kind of offensive.


So, what you're saying is you didn't want an abattoir ??
 
2012-10-04 09:44:25 AM

miscreant: miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows. A parent, relative, or friend of the family. Keeping kids away from random strangers probably wouldn't even have any effect statistically on rape statistics. What probably does have an effect is the fact that children simply have far less freedom than they used to. Almost all activity for kids is much closer to home and much more structured than it was even a generation ago.

That'll teach me to post before coffee.


You said statistics twice.
 
2012-10-04 09:44:33 AM

Latinwolf: we'll have people here claiming we shouldn't do that because it will encourage the sex predators to kill their victims rather than just leave them alive.


They can claim whatever they want, I doubt they have any evidence to suggest it's true.
 
2012-10-04 09:46:43 AM
Hey, in some places they pick the offenders up in protective custody for Halloween.
 
2012-10-04 09:48:11 AM

Latinwolf: Vegan Meat Popsicle : I_Am_Weasel: there is something wrong with being a sex offender

No, not always. You can wind up on a sex offender registry for some pretty stupid shiat. And this is ignoring the fact that the mere existence of a registry like this means you're either a) continuing to maliciously punish people who have supposedly already paid their debt to society or b) admitting that you let a potentially dangerous person loose in the community for no good reason.

The whole sex offender thing is 100% useless and I will always support anything that helps anybody on it get back any right that's been stolen from them.

You don't want Johnny Rapesalot to live within 100 yards of a school or playground or hand out Halloween candy because you think he's a threat to kids?

Then leave him in prison, dumbasses.

/ that said, the Nazi Germany bit was pretty dumb...

See what Shadow Blasko wrote and I'll add in reference to your comment, that if we make the penalties higher, longer jail terms as you suggested, we'll have people here claiming we shouldn't do that because it will encourage the sex predators to kill their victims rather than just leave them alive.


Considering that murderers can get out of prison faster, are not targeted in prison like pedophiles, not put on public list with a ton of living restrictions and public humiliation, then why yes, it is better for them to kill the kid outright. It is completely asinine that you have tent cities for sex offenders due to the "stranger scare" (which can be anything from misdemeanor public urination to actual forceful sex crimes) yet have no restrictions on former prisoners who committed murder, extreme bodily injury, domestic abuse, etc.
 
2012-10-04 09:54:53 AM
Yeah, because nothing bad ever happens.
http://www.corrections.com/articles/8558
 
2012-10-04 09:56:38 AM
So... are these kiddie diddlers, or guys who take a piss next to a dumpster in a dark alley? 'Cuz there's a difference.
 
2012-10-04 10:00:15 AM

Another Government Employee: Hey, in some places they pick the offenders up in protective custody for Halloween.


They do that here.

There is usually a mandatory "support/check-in" meeting for whatever hours trick or treat is scheduled for in that location, and people on the list are absolutely required to be in attendance.
 
2012-10-04 10:05:36 AM
I've got a sign that says "registered sex offender lives here". It keeps the kids away from my door and gives them spooktacular fright at the same time.
 
2012-10-04 10:16:25 AM

Gump Worsley: Yeah, because nothing bad ever happens.
http://www.corrections.com/articles/8558


Your comment says nothing. What is your point? That sometimes people on parole look at hardcore porn and this is terrible?
 
2012-10-04 10:19:11 AM
Are these real sex offenders, or fake 'piss in the street while drunk/dated underaged schoolmate' sex offenders?
 
2012-10-04 10:25:38 AM
As has already been said, this might be a good idea if there were actual child molesters on the registery. TFA even has the police there admitting that no one on their registry is there for abusing kids. That means its all midnight pissers and at worst adult rapers.

I'm all for protecting kids and the like, but what we do to people on that list is unconstitutional and cruel. Especially when you can get on it while being a virgin.
 
2012-10-04 10:29:18 AM

Edymnion: That means its all midnight pissers and at worst adult rapers.


There could be father rapers. Right there. On the group W bench.
 
2012-10-04 10:31:09 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Edymnion: That means its all midnight pissers and at worst adult rapers.

There could be father rapers. Right there. On the group W bench.


And we know how Halloween is a gateway event for serious littering.
 
2012-10-04 10:32:54 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares


Yeah, but since most convicted kiddy diddlers are relatives or known associates of their victims, how is stopping them from giving out Halloween candy making any difference whatsoever? It's just stupid. 364 days out of the year, a convicted sex offender is evidently ignorant of any children in the neighborhood but on Halloween it's suddenly, OMG, where did all the delicious kids come from?

It's another of those stupid reactionary ordinances meant to make people feel "safer", nothing more.
 
2012-10-04 10:35:06 AM

brigid_fitch: Yeah, but since most convicted kiddy diddlers are relatives or known associates of their victims, how is stopping them from giving out Halloween candy making any difference whatsoever?


Because it's a chance to get to know them, and become 'associates'?
 
2012-10-04 10:40:12 AM
Will they restrict their "candy" to lollies? And can they hand them out from a van?
 
2012-10-04 10:42:08 AM

Cyno01: miscreant: miscreant: Most sexual predators of children are somebody the child knows. A parent, relative, or friend of the family. Keeping kids away from random strangers probably wouldn't even have any effect statistically on rape statistics. What probably does have an effect is the fact that children simply have far less freedom than they used to. Almost all activity for kids is much closer to home and much more structured than it was even a generation ago.

That'll teach me to post before coffee.

You said statistics twice.


He likes statistics.
 
2012-10-04 10:46:31 AM

Shadow Blasko: Andulamb: These registries are a great idea. We need more. I'm not sure who decided that sexual offenses were the worst crimes. I'm not crazy about murder. Why isn't there a murder registry? Why can sex offenders be repeatedly and continually punished after their release from prison, but murderers aren't? How about a DUI registry? When you're on the DUI registry, you should get a special icon on your driver's license. Require that bartenders must check each patron's license, and if the DUI Registry icon is on a person's license they can't be served alcohol. Or buy alcohol. Ever. Where's the sense in keeping all sex offenders (even those whose crimes did not involve children) away from children, but we don't make any effort to keep drunk drivers away from alcohol? The more registries, the better off we all are. Criminals should be punished forever. How about those people in my town who watered their lawn on the wrong day when water restrictions were in place this summer? They should be put on some sort of registry. I think every time they water their lawn, they should have to wear a shirt that says "I stole your water" or "I don't know what day it is." Or something. (But I hope there's not a registry for parking on the wrong side of the street during a snow emergency parking ban, because I'm always getting it wrong.)

I'm being a little facetious. There's certainly a logic to recognizing that many sex offenders continue to be a risk and believing that the rest of us deserve some sort of ongoing protection. But I think fair is fair. Either we should NOT treat sex offenders differently from other criminals, or we should establish more registries for other types of criminals. One or the other. Or... If sex offenders are so dangerous, then why not just lengthen the minimum sentences? Why let them out, and then put all these restrictions on them? Why not just keep them in prison?

Ohio actually has a dui registry, and you get special license plates if you are on it.

I li ...


I remember some states were toying with the idea of people getting special tags on their cars after a DUI. Im not sure if any went in to practice.

If I was a sex offender the last thing I would want to do on Halloween is be around kids especially handing out candy.
 
2012-10-04 10:46:52 AM
You have offended my sex
 
2012-10-04 10:50:55 AM

groppet: Shadow Blasko: Andulamb: These registries are a great idea. We need more. I'm not sure who decided that sexual offenses were the worst crimes. I'm not crazy about murder. Why isn't there a murder registry? Why can sex offenders be repeatedly and continually punished after their release from prison, but murderers aren't? How about a DUI registry? When you're on the DUI registry, you should get a special icon on your driver's license. Require that bartenders must check each patron's license, and if the DUI Registry icon is on a person's license they can't be served alcohol. Or buy alcohol. Ever. Where's the sense in keeping all sex offenders (even those whose crimes did not involve children) away from children, but we don't make any effort to keep drunk drivers away from alcohol? The more registries, the better off we all are. Criminals should be punished forever. How about those people in my town who watered their lawn on the wrong day when water restrictions were in place this summer? They should be put on some sort of registry. I think every time they water their lawn, they should have to wear a shirt that says "I stole your water" or "I don't know what day it is." Or something. (But I hope there's not a registry for parking on the wrong side of the street during a snow emergency parking ban, because I'm always getting it wrong.)

I'm being a little facetious. There's certainly a logic to recognizing that many sex offenders continue to be a risk and believing that the rest of us deserve some sort of ongoing protection. But I think fair is fair. Either we should NOT treat sex offenders differently from other criminals, or we should establish more registries for other types of criminals. One or the other. Or... If sex offenders are so dangerous, then why not just lengthen the minimum sentences? Why let them out, and then put all these restrictions on them? Why not just keep them in prison?

Ohio actually has a dui registry, and you get special license plates if you are on it.

I li ...

I remember some states were toying with the idea of people getting special tags on their cars after a DUI. Im not sure if any went in to practice.

If I was a sex offender the last thing I would want to do on Halloween is be around kids especially handing out candy.


Ohio did (and does) it. Scarlet letters (and that's what they call it too!) On a plain yellow background

I'll post an image of one when I get back to my pc
 
2012-10-04 10:51:07 AM
the sex nazi says : NO SEX FOR YOU!
 
2012-10-04 10:56:24 AM
FirstNationalBastard: by virtue of the fact that a man had his penis out, that makes him a sex offender because someone was getting raped before it was put away. It's like a Ninja's sword. It can't be put back in its sheath without tasting blood.

So.... You have to find a woman on her period?
 
2012-10-04 11:13:20 AM

Nurglitch: sodomizer: Sex offenders are people too, you know.

Yes, people who have been found guilty of committing a sex crime. Me, I'm just going to avoid their house on hallowe'en. I'm just bigoted against sex offenders. And the Dutch.


that the same thing isn't it?
 
2012-10-04 11:23:39 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: Jon iz teh kewl: RumsfeldsReplacement: I would have no problem with this if the definition of sex offender weren't so broad.

Convicted kiddy-diddler? No Halloween for you.

Caught peeing in an alley next to the bar at 2:30 AM? Who the fark cares

i do
and u shold too.

OK, I'll bite. Why?

what if a 3 year old saw u pee naked. what would he think then??

If a 3 year old saw me peeing at 2:30AM in an alley outside a bar, there are other far bigger problems than what I'm doing.

if there's a threat of being called a SEX OFFENDER doesn't keep you from peeing outside, maybe you really are a rapist.


not sure if serious, but i laughed so hard that my oatmeal almost went into my ears!!
 
2012-10-04 11:29:56 AM
Sex Criminal: rapist
Sex Criminal: child molester
Sex Criminal: 18 year old boy having consensual sex with his 16 year old girlfriend
Sex Criminal: guy caught whacking it in an XXX movie theater
Sex Criminal: guy caught urinating behind a bush in a public park
Sex Criminal: two gay guys caught having sex in the woods in the middle of nowhere
Sex Criminal: etc., etc., etc.

What constitutes a "sex crime" varies from state to state, are sometimes quite arbitrary and the laws unequally applied. Sex offender registries are a joke and do not stop real sex criminals from being recidivists. They're a waste of taxpayer money.
 
2012-10-04 11:30:08 AM

WTP 2: they are worried about a sign ????
if some had their way there would be no leaving prison.
you know ...the final solution for sex crimes.


It does help to keep some of them from being the perp for a while... and let's them know what they put their victims through.
 
2012-10-04 11:30:58 AM

groppet: I remember some states were toying with the idea of people getting special tags on their cars after a DUI. Im not sure if any went in to practice.


These are the Ohio DUI plates...

www.toledoblade.com

And they want plates for sex offenders too... there was a bill .. but I cant see if it passed or not.
 
2012-10-04 11:31:47 AM

Shadow Blasko: there was a bill .. but I cant see if it passed or not.


It didn't. People were worried about vigilantism.
 
2012-10-04 11:35:45 AM

The Muthaship: Shadow Blasko: there was a bill .. but I cant see if it passed or not.

It didn't. People were worried about vigilantism.


Vigilantes? In my America? Perish the thought!
 
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