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(NewsMax)   55% of doctors say they would vote for Romney if the election was today. Apparently, the Hippocratic Oath obligates them to help anyone on life support   (newsmax.com) divider line 108
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2012-10-04 12:57:15 AM  
Direct link to survey results.

Basically: "self-selected online poll" with only a 3% response rate. Yeah, no.
 
2012-10-04 01:13:50 AM  
The physicians identified themselves as 24 percent Democrat; 35 percent Republican; 26 percent Independent; 6 percent Libertarian; and 7 percent unaffiliated.

So NewsMax is relying on skewed polls now?
 
2012-10-04 08:04:47 AM  
Oh jeeze... Seriously? You're going to post a NewsMax link and pretend it's actually honest?

Wow.
 
2012-10-04 08:10:53 AM  
You know what the average IQ of a person receiving an M.D. is? 125.
 
2012-10-04 08:11:29 AM  
Every time I'm in the chair my dentist biatches to me about how the Democrats are going to force him out of business with their taxes and requiring him to have malpractice insurance. Except the last time, where we talked about why he made the choice to ditch his Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cabrio for an Aston Martin DB9 Volante.
 
2012-10-04 08:11:48 AM  

James F. Campbell: average mean 

 
2012-10-04 08:17:19 AM  
I was willing to suspend some disbelief until I got to:

FTA: When asked how they felt about the Affordable Care Act, 55 percent said "repeal and replace" the new law while 40 percent said "implement and improve" the ACA.

Yeah, there's no way that 55% of all doctors want to "repeal and replace" the ACA. That's just a stupid Republican talking point, not a real solution to the issue.
 
2012-10-04 08:19:09 AM  
This is a good headline, though
 
2012-10-04 08:29:52 AM  
 
2012-10-04 08:32:31 AM  

SphericalTime: I was willing to suspend some disbelief until I got to:

FTA: When asked how they felt about the Affordable Care Act, 55 percent said "repeal and replace" the new law while 40 percent said "implement and improve" the ACA.

Yeah, there's no way that 55% of all doctors want to "repeal and replace" the ACA. That's just a stupid Republican talking point, not a real solution to the issue.


Toss everything and start again is the solution a 4 year old or Ron Paul advocates, not serious policy people. It's impossible to toss everything without a revolution.
 
2012-10-04 08:34:15 AM  
There were plenty of docotrs concerned that Obamacare would cut into profits.
 
2012-10-04 08:59:20 AM  
51 y.o. checking in. Doctors and dentists are as a class very slanted righty. I've been to offices that were all Republican, bootstrappy types. I had a dentist do the thing where you're prone in the chair while they talk negative politics about Democrats.

I'm to the point where the hell with doctors talking politics, honestly.
 
2012-10-04 09:16:42 AM  

Generation_D: 51 y.o. checking in. Doctors and dentists are as a class very slanted righty. I've been to offices that were all Republican, bootstrappy types. I had a dentist do the thing where you're prone in the chair while they talk negative politics about Democrats.

I'm to the point where the hell with doctors talking politics, honestly.


I've had a dentist tell me Jebus made the world 6000 years ago and evolution was fake and couldn't understand why I didn't accept that.

Which sucked because they were good, but I don't go there anymore.
 
2012-10-04 09:45:26 AM  

GAT_00: I've had a dentist tell me Jebus made the world 6000 years ago and evolution was fake and couldn't understand why I didn't accept that.

Which sucked because they were good, but I don't go there anymore.



Did they have hold on one of your molars sans novocaine while they said that? Because I would have believed the earth was flat at that point...just to get out of there.
 
2012-10-04 10:12:16 AM  
Doctors would rather see 2 patients and do several unnecessary positions to bill the insurance company $2,000 than give 3 patients the care they need and bill the insurance company $2,000
 
2012-10-04 10:23:43 AM  

mrshowrules: Doctors would rather see 2 patients and do several unnecessary positions to bill the insurance company $2,000 than give 3 patients the care they need and bill the insurance company $2,000


procedures not positions. My brain hurts.
 
2012-10-04 11:26:43 AM  
Lots of doctors are Republican. This is not news.
 
2012-10-04 11:32:00 AM  

mrshowrules: mrshowrules: Doctors would rather see 2 patients and do several unnecessary positions to bill the insurance company $2,000 than give 3 patients the care they need and bill the insurance company $2,000

procedures not positions. My brain hurts.


I'm calling Freudian slip on this one.
 
2012-10-04 11:46:41 AM  
I wonder if there's a correlation between wealth Dr.s and their support for Rmoney...I wonder...
 
2012-10-04 11:49:40 AM  

themindiswatching: Direct link to survey results.

Basically: "self-selected online poll" with only a 3% response rate. Yeah, no.


Oooh - I'm keeping this one for the Stats class I'm teaching in the spring.
 
2012-10-04 11:50:10 AM  

themindiswatching: Direct link to survey results.

Basically: "self-selected online poll" with only a 3% response rate. Yeah, no.


HA HA UR IN DENIAL LIBBY VON LIBBENSTEIN!!!

Crap, forgot to switch to my alt.

/Still, my courage and intelligence has shown through
 
2012-10-04 11:52:24 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: mrshowrules: mrshowrules: Doctors would rather see 2 patients and do several unnecessary positions to bill the insurance company $2,000 than give 3 patients the care they need and bill the insurance company $2,000

procedures not positions. My brain hurts.

I'm calling Freudian slip on this one.


The "Freudian slip" is actually one of my favourite positions. Although, it is hard to get good footing on the inverted salad bowls though. My mom I mean my wife likes it also.
 
2012-10-04 11:53:34 AM  

mrshowrules: Doctors would rather see 2 patients and do several unnecessary positions to bill the insurance company $2,000 than give 3 patients the care they need and bill the insurance company $2,000


I think the one leg up on the table was an unnecessary position for my exam.
And again, with the other leg.
My farts are still whistling.
 
2012-10-04 11:55:19 AM  
And the demographic groups most likely to vote Romney (wealthy, older, white males, which happens to be the largest group of doctors) support Romney, while women and hospital employees (who are more likely to be younger and less wealthy) are more likely to support Romney.

In other words, demographics of doctors are slanted towards Romney compared to the general population. Which is evidenced by the relatively high proportion identifying as Republican and Libertarian that pretty much accounts for the entire difference.
 
2012-10-04 11:55:19 AM  

Pinner: mrshowrules: Doctors would rather see 2 patients and do several unnecessary positions to bill the insurance company $2,000 than give 3 patients the care they need and bill the insurance company $2,000

I think the one leg up on the table was an unnecessary position for my exam.
And again, with the other leg.
My farts are still whistling.


Joey: Isn't that how pants are fitted?

Chandler: Sure. In prison!
 
2012-10-04 11:55:31 AM  
And a majority of the patients will be voting for Obama.
 
2012-10-04 11:56:19 AM  
Over 1/2 of the doctors care more about money than healing the sick......capitalism at work.
 
2012-10-04 11:56:50 AM  
Newsmax needed an online (read: useless) poll to show that Romney has a slight edge among a group that skews older and wealthier? Wow, things must be going real well for Obama.
 
2012-10-04 11:57:28 AM  
Only 55%? I'm ashamed at you, NewsMax. You can inflate your results better than that.
 
2012-10-04 11:57:50 AM  

Generation_D: I've been to offices that were all Republican, bootstrappy types. I had a dentist do the thing where you're prone in the chair while they talk negative politics about Democrats.


GAT_00: I've had a dentist tell me Jebus made the world 6000 years ago and evolution was fake and couldn't understand why I didn't accept that.


This is why you should spit frequently and spontaneously, not just when the dentist tells you to.
 
2012-10-04 12:01:30 PM  
NewsMax poll is NewsMax.

I took a self-selected, unscientific poll of all Dark Evil Omens nearby and a large majority were in favor of true single payer health care. Romney's policies got a shocking 0% approval rating!
 
2012-10-04 12:03:02 PM  

Pinner: mrshowrules: Doctors would rather see 2 patients and do several unnecessary positions to bill the insurance company $2,000 than give 3 patients the care they need and bill the insurance company $2,000

I think the one leg up on the table was an unnecessary position for my exam.
And again, with the other leg.
My farts are still whistling.


LOL.
 
2012-10-04 12:05:08 PM  
All doctors are smart but not all doctors are intelligent. There is a huge difference, you need only be smart to make it in your job, to actually understand everything else you kinda need to be intelligent. Three quarters of my family are doctors of some form, all of them are very smart dedicated people but I would only consider three to be truly intelligent people. These concepts are worlds apart.
 
2012-10-04 12:05:34 PM  
Newsmax? Yeah, OK...
 
2012-10-04 12:07:00 PM  
The late September survey included 3,660 doctors nationwide in 50 states. The physicians identified themselves as 24 percent Democrat; 35 percent Republican; 26 percent Independent; 6 percent Libertarian; and 7 percent unaffiliated.

OK, actually giving a sample size, and the name of the company doing the survey. That's good.

Jackson & Coker, a division of Jackson Healthcare

Performed by an organization with a massive inherent bias toward getting Obamacare (specifically, overhead restrictions and pre-existing condition coverage requirements) revoked, bit of a red flag there, maybe if they give us a brief overview of their randomization/blind selection procedure?

This survey was conducted online from September 11 to September 28, 2012. A total of 3,660 respondents completed the survey. The error range for this survey at the 95 percent confidence level is +/- 1.6 percent.

Self-selected online response? Really? Was a facebook game installed off a "punch the monkey" ad on a porn site too legit for them? Crashing a Tea Party convention not enough selection bias? Hell, even making shiat up off the top of your head is more statistically reliable than that.

Though apparently they decided to make shiat up off the top of their head, too, since they gave a self-selected poll a 1.6% error range.
 
2012-10-04 12:07:07 PM  

keylock71: Newsmax? Yeah, OK...


NewsMax - like Tucker Max, only without the respect for humanity.
 
2012-10-04 12:07:35 PM  
people vote for who represents their best interests, news at 11.

/this is how democracy works
 
2012-10-04 12:08:49 PM  

chasd00: people vote for who represents their best interests, news at 11.

/this is how democracy works


If people voted their interests, the election would be between Obama and Jill Stein
 
2012-10-04 12:09:37 PM  
My doctor wrote a letter and sent it to all his patients. It went on and on about our duty to provide health care to everyone, especially the poor and how wvil he thinks Republicans are. My doctor is a wonderful human being.
 
2012-10-04 12:10:20 PM  

Jim_Callahan: The late September survey included 3,660 doctors nationwide in 50 states. The physicians identified themselves as 24 percent Democrat; 35 percent Republican; 26 percent Independent; 6 percent Libertarian; and 7 percent unaffiliated.

OK, actually giving a sample size, and the name of the company doing the survey. That's good.

Jackson & Coker, a division of Jackson Healthcare

Performed by an organization with a massive inherent bias toward getting Obamacare (specifically, overhead restrictions and pre-existing condition coverage requirements) revoked, bit of a red flag there, maybe if they give us a brief overview of their randomization/blind selection procedure?

This survey was conducted online from September 11 to September 28, 2012. A total of 3,660 respondents completed the survey. The error range for this survey at the 95 percent confidence level is +/- 1.6 percent.

Self-selected online response? Really? Was a facebook game installed off a "punch the monkey" ad on a porn site too legit for them? Crashing a Tea Party convention not enough selection bias? Hell, even making shiat up off the top of your head is more statistically reliable than that.

Though apparently they decided to make shiat up off the top of their head, too, since they gave a self-selected poll a 1.6% error range.


±1.6% seems about right for a sample of that size.
 
2012-10-04 12:11:16 PM  

AbbeySomeone: There were plenty of docotrs concerned that Obamacare would cut into profits.


Especially doctors with Medicare patients.
 
2012-10-04 12:14:00 PM  
If you want sound financial advice, go to a doctor. If you want competent medical treatment, go to France.
 
2012-10-04 12:14:42 PM  
55% of doctors got into the profession for status and money?
 
2012-10-04 12:34:46 PM  

GAT_00: Generation_D: 51 y.o. checking in. Doctors and dentists are as a class very slanted righty. I've been to offices that were all Republican, bootstrappy types. I had a dentist do the thing where you're prone in the chair while they talk negative politics about Democrats.

I'm to the point where the hell with doctors talking politics, honestly.

I've had a dentist tell me Jebus made the world 6000 years ago and evolution was fake and couldn't understand why I didn't accept that.

Which sucked because they were good, but I don't go there anymore.


SHUT UP AND SING DRILL!
 
2012-10-04 12:51:37 PM  
SGR is the main issue concerning physicians:

Link

Every year since 1997, doctor payments face the threat of deep cuts due to the Sustainable Growth Rate formula, which governs the growth of Medicare physician payments from year to year. Congress has passed a last minute "doc fix" each year since 2003 to avoid this. In other words they are kicking the can down the road. As it stands now, if the SGR provisions were to pass physicians would see a nearly 30% decrease in reimbursement. Were this to occur you would see the number of physicians willing to see Medicare patients drop precipitously. By 2016 the decrease in reimbursement would be nearly 40%. What is not being spoken about is the Obamacare relies on SGR going into affect in order to account for billions of "savings". This is simply not going to happen. Seniors would revolt as their access would be drastically affected. Try finding a doctor that accepts Medicare now. Imagine it after the reimbursement goes down nearly 30%. The federal government has a choice: eliminate the SGR cuts or allow it to finally be implemented. Either way there will be massive implications for healthcare and the budget. Instead, no one has had the cajones to finally take the bull by the horns and we remain in limbo.
 
2012-10-04 12:54:09 PM  
Generally speaking I have little respect for doctors. A hundred years ago they were admirable but nowadays the vast majority are in it for the money. As average intelligence by profession goes, they're no great shakes--ask any nurse. Steady hands, a good memory and a near complete lack of empathy and imagination are all that's necessary to be a physician these days.
 
2012-10-04 12:57:16 PM  

Mija: My doctor wrote a letter and sent it to all his patients. It went on and on about our duty to provide health care to everyone, especially the poor and how wvil he thinks Republicans are. My doctor is a wonderful human being.



Is your doctor be willing provide medical care at a loss?
 
2012-10-04 01:06:58 PM  
Ah, NewsMax.

"Polls are biased, the media is biased, everybody is in the tank for Obama. Now let me show you some polls."
 
2012-10-04 01:19:13 PM  
Doctors learn medicine in medical school.

Then they learn business when they start working.

Which model they follow more is the true test of character (and whether or not they feel they deserve a BMW over a Subaru)
 
2012-10-04 01:26:24 PM  

propasaurus: The physicians identified themselves as 24 percent Democrat; 35 percent Republican; 26 percent Independent; 6 percent Libertarian; and 7 percent unaffiliated.

So NewsMax is relying on skewed polls now?


Well, technically, if you unskew it, the number comes out to be 127.3%
 
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