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(Talking Points Memo)   And the first fact check of the debate comes from a Romney advisor: No, our healthcare plan will not cover pre-existing conditions at all   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 475
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2012-10-04 12:13:04 AM
Their solution?

"We'd like to see states do what Massachusetts did"
 
2012-10-04 12:17:16 AM
Fark the pre-existing conditions limitations. If you want me to fark off and die, at least say so to my face.
 
2012-10-04 12:17:57 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Their solution?

"We'd like to see states do what Massachusetts did"


Yeah, good luck with that, Mitt. You said you wanted less government involvement in healthcare, so I guess you won't be forcing any states to do as Massachusetts did.
 
2012-10-04 12:18:45 AM
But Romney won anyway because "facts don't matter" in debates.
 
2012-10-04 12:20:28 AM

snowjack: But Romney won anyway because "facts don't matter" in debates.


And he presented none
 
2012-10-04 12:20:39 AM

snowjack: But Romney won anyway because "facts don't matter" in debates.


No, Romney won because the President didn't engage.
 
2012-10-04 12:22:01 AM

GAT_00: snowjack: But Romney won anyway because "facts don't matter" in debates.

No, Romney won because the President didn't engage.


THIS^

/WTF Obama?
//I'm truly baffled
 
2012-10-04 12:23:14 AM
I'll admit, Obama had a rough night, even by his own debate standards. He was calm and cool, but left far too much slide unchallenged. Why? I'm not sure...perhaps it's part of a long-ball strategy? 0_o

That said though, watching Romney flail on HCR was hilarious: I'll repeal evil Obamacare, and have all 50 states setup individual Romneycares, which are designed to function just like Obamacare. The feds can't tell insurers what to do, but all 50 states can. you can't force them to cover people, but I did in my own state.

And his "rely on the market to decide tooffer coverage" schtick is straight out of the Ron Paul book, imo. Insurance firms are in business to make money, and will not go out of their way to cover people unless incentivized to do so by the government. Romneycare proves that point.
 
2012-10-04 12:24:53 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: GAT_00: snowjack: But Romney won anyway because "facts don't matter" in debates.

No, Romney won because the President didn't engage.

THIS^

/WTF Obama?
//I'm truly baffled


I don't get it at all.
What was Obama's goal? I doubt he underestimated Romney but - I admit that I did. Was Obama hoping to juxtapose his calmness to Romney's erratic and rude behavior? Because Romney just trampled our Commander in Chief. Yikes.
 
2012-10-04 12:25:56 AM
Does anyone have a picture of the KitchenAid tweet???
 
2012-10-04 12:26:08 AM
Win-win for Romney. If he loses, he can't be denied coverage for the new orifice as a pre-existing condition. If he wins, he has health insurance from Uncle Sam anyway.
 
2012-10-04 12:26:19 AM

GAT_00: snowjack: But Romney won anyway because "facts don't matter" in debates.

No, Romney won because the President didn't engage.


This.

datacenteroverlords.files.wordpress.com

I SAID ENGAGE biatch DO YOU NEED A DICTIONARY
 
2012-10-04 12:27:30 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Yeah, good luck with that, Mitt. You said you wanted less government involvement in healthcare, so I guess you won't be forcing any states to do as Massachusetts did.


His idea of "smaller government" is by eliminating 1 federal program and creating 50 state programs with less resources. That sounds so f*cking retarded it just might be the GOP platform.
 
2012-10-04 12:27:38 AM
oi45.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-04 12:28:32 AM
Obama probably could have been stronger, but honestly, this probably won't hurt him.
 
2012-10-04 12:28:57 AM

Bontesla: Was Obama hoping to juxtapose his calmness to Romney's erratic and rude behavior?


Rude? Check the transcripts in the morning, because I got a head start on the drinking game, but my booze-boggled memory is that Obama was the first to interrupt in the other candidate's time segment.

Erratic... find a FarkIndepent™ to try finding some defense. I'm still voting for Obama.
 
2012-10-04 12:31:01 AM
oh, and telling the moderator that you'd defund his employer and fire him won't win many style points.
 
2012-10-04 12:31:07 AM

abb3w: but my booze-boggled memory is that Obama was the first to interrupt in the other candidate's time segment.



No. While they both behaved like mentally impaired children with respect to moderation, if I recall Romney was the first to openly defy lil Jimmy.
 
2012-10-04 12:31:43 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: oh, and telling the moderator that you'd defund his employer and fire him won't win many style points.


Althought it did give him a rare chance to show off an impressive set of brass balls.
 
2012-10-04 12:31:57 AM

abb3w: Bontesla: Was Obama hoping to juxtapose his calmness to Romney's erratic and rude behavior?

Rude? Check the transcripts in the morning, because I got a head start on the drinking game, but my booze-boggled memory is that Obama was the first to interrupt in the other candidate's time segment.

Erratic... find a FarkIndepent™ to try finding some defense. I'm still voting for Obama.


I wasn't talking specifically about interrupting nor about exceeding the time limit. It's not a who started it first game. There was a pattern of rude behavior and Mitt carried that torch.

/this is coming from someone who will vote for Obama AND thinks Romney "won" tonight.
 
2012-10-04 12:35:03 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: left far too much slide unchallenged. Why? I'm not sure...perhaps it's part of a long-ball strategy? 0_o


I'm assuming Obama Co. are making new campaign ads as we type.
 
2012-10-04 12:35:07 AM
The admission directly contradicts the GOP candidate's claim during the debate that "pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan" - a contention Romney has repeated on the trail and that his campaign has repeatedly walked back.

That clause could be appended to 90% of what Romney says.

Tell 'em what they wanna hear, then have some nobody staffer correct you when even fewer people are paying attention. Lies on page A1, retractions/correction on F14 two days later.

And this round definitely goes to Romney. I doubt he moved anyone out of Obama's camp, but he probably picked up some undecideds. Hard to guesstimate how many, though, since anyone who is still undecided defies all logic.
 
2012-10-04 12:35:08 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: GAT_00: snowjack: But Romney won anyway because "facts don't matter" in debates.

No, Romney won because the President didn't engage.

THIS^

/WTF Obama?
//I'm truly baffled


It's his anniversary.
Personally, I think he was still in a sex haze. You know Michelle would get her some.

/That's what I'm going with.
 
2012-10-04 12:36:21 AM

logistic: While they both behaved like mentally impaired children with respect to moderation


i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-04 12:37:18 AM
Fark, I am disappoint. Nothing about the KitchenAid tweet? Really?
 
2012-10-04 12:37:23 AM

logistic: While they both behaved like mentally impaired children with respect to moderation, if I recall Romney was the first to openly defy lil Jimmy.


Defying the moderator I agree was first Romney.
Obama speaking during a Romney time slot was a bit earlier.
 
2012-10-04 12:38:57 AM
Pressed by TPM's Evan McMorris-Santoro, Fehrnstrom said those who currently lack coverage because they have pre-existing conditions would need their states to implement their own laws

thtswhatsheread.files.wordpress.com

FEHRNSTROM!
 
2012-10-04 12:39:12 AM

Bontesla: Fark, I am disappoint. Nothing about the KitchenAid tweet? Really?


I must have missed that, but Twitter did crash not too long before fark went down.
 
2012-10-04 12:40:14 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Bontesla: Fark, I am disappoint. Nothing about the KitchenAid tweet? Really?

I must have missed that, but Twitter did crash not too long before fark went down.


Clearly a coordinated conspiracy btw
 
2012-10-04 12:42:08 AM

Bontesla: Fark, I am disappoint. Nothing about the KitchenAid tweet? Really?


cdn6.triplepundit.com
Personally, I think it was more of a marital aid tweet
 
2012-10-04 12:42:41 AM
(CNN) - The home appliance brand KitchenAid apologized Wednesday evening for a political tweet sent out from its official account during the presidential debate.

The tweet has been removed but at least a dozen retweets of the post showed it read, "Obamas gma even knew it was going 2 b bad! 'She died 3 days b4 he became president.'"


Nice.
 
2012-10-04 12:43:19 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Bontesla: Fark, I am disappoint. Nothing about the KitchenAid tweet? Really?

[cdn6.triplepundit.com image 427x230]
Personally, I think it was more of a marital aid tweet


WTF is that legit?
 
2012-10-04 12:44:01 AM
KitchenAid offered no further explanation of how the tweet ended up on their company account.

The company did not immediately respond to a request for further comment.


Heh.
 
2012-10-04 12:44:19 AM
Does this mean I have to destroy my mixer... Cause that sh*t ain't happening.
 
2012-10-04 12:46:04 AM
Quickly Fark! To the TPM machine!
 
2012-10-04 12:48:35 AM

muck4doo: Quickly Fark! To the TPM machine!


Excellent retort. I like it because it was so full of intellect and stuff.
 
2012-10-04 12:49:45 AM

logistic: muck4doo: Quickly Fark! To the TPM machine!

Excellent retort. I like it because it was so full of intellect and stuff.


Hey, go get those Think Progress links lined up too. Ignore me.
 
2012-10-04 12:50:25 AM
Romney looked and acted coked up.
 
2012-10-04 12:52:21 AM

NewportBarGuy: Does this mean I have to destroy my mixer... Cause that sh*t ain't happening.


I have a early-70s KitchenAid stand mixer that I got at a garage sale for $30 back when my son was still in high school (early 90s). It's an absolute workhorse and I'd never willingly part with it.
 
2012-10-04 12:54:30 AM

Bathia_Mapes: NewportBarGuy: Does this mean I have to destroy my mixer... Cause that sh*t ain't happening.

I have a early-70s KitchenAid stand mixer that I got at a garage sale for $30 back when my son was still in high school (early 90s). It's an absolute workhorse and I'd never willingly part with it.


Overzealous staffer

/you can't swing a dead cat without hitting one
 
2012-10-04 01:03:42 AM

muck4doo: logistic: muck4doo: Quickly Fark! To the TPM machine!

Excellent retort. I like it because it was so full of intellect and stuff.

Hey, go get those Think Progress links lined up too. Ignore me.


So you have no problem with what the link actually says?
 
2012-10-04 01:05:57 AM

cameroncrazy1984: muck4doo: logistic: muck4doo: Quickly Fark! To the TPM machine!

Excellent retort. I like it because it was so full of intellect and stuff.

Hey, go get those Think Progress links lined up too. Ignore me.

So you have no problem with what the link actually says?


I don't pay attention to sites I disagree with. That shouldn't be a concept lost on the Fark Lib crowd. I won't even give it a click. :p
 
2012-10-04 01:15:20 AM
2 1/2 hours for a gaff. I think that may be a new record.
 
2012-10-04 01:16:15 AM

muck4doo: cameroncrazy1984: muck4doo: logistic: muck4doo: Quickly Fark! To the TPM machine!

Excellent retort. I like it because it was so full of intellect and stuff.

Hey, go get those Think Progress links lined up too. Ignore me.

So you have no problem with what the link actually says?

I don't pay attention to sites I disagree with. That shouldn't be a concept lost on the Fark Lib crowd. I won't even give it a click. :p


Enjoy continuing to be ignorant then. You know damn well the reasons that Townhall et. al. are not worth a click. TPM isn't even in the same galaxy.
 
2012-10-04 01:18:15 AM

logistic: GAT_00: snowjack: But Romney won anyway because "facts don't matter" in debates.

No, Romney won because the President didn't engage.

This.

[datacenteroverlords.files.wordpress.com image 292x356]

I SAID ENGAGE biatch DO YOU NEED A DICTIONARY


One of the things I've always bemoaned about this president is that he doesn't seem to get that Republicans are simply not going to play fair with him.

He went into this looking as if he expected Mitt Romney to be honest and own the crazy shiat he's been saying for the last 18 months. He looked as if he expected the debate to be a discussion of ideas. Bad plan.

It took Mr. Obama a loooong time to figure out what the Republicans in Congress were really about. I hope it doesn't take him as long to figure out Mr. Romney.
 
2012-10-04 01:24:37 AM

muck4doo: cameroncrazy1984: muck4doo: logistic: muck4doo: Quickly Fark! To the TPM machine!

Excellent retort. I like it because it was so full of intellect and stuff.

Hey, go get those Think Progress links lined up too. Ignore me.

So you have no problem with what the link actually says?

I don't pay attention to sites I disagree with. That shouldn't be a concept lost on the Fark Lib crowd. I won't even give it a click. :p


You rebel. We stand in awe of your principles.
 
2012-10-04 01:24:55 AM

cameroncrazy1984: muck4doo: cameroncrazy1984: muck4doo: logistic: muck4doo: Quickly Fark! To the TPM machine!

Excellent retort. I like it because it was so full of intellect and stuff.

Hey, go get those Think Progress links lined up too. Ignore me.

So you have no problem with what the link actually says?

I don't pay attention to sites I disagree with. That shouldn't be a concept lost on the Fark Lib crowd. I won't even give it a click. :p

Enjoy continuing to be ignorant then. You know damn well the reasons that Townhall et. al. are not worth a click. TPM isn't even in the same galaxy.


Oh, I know. They don't agree with your ideas, where as TPM does. Different galaxies indeed. :p
 
2012-10-04 01:25:18 AM
Romney did do a bunch of contradictions and BS. Already the PBS thing is just firestorming through the Internet. It was something he shouldn't have even said and it just showed him off as a dick in comparison to boring Obama.
 
2012-10-04 01:25:28 AM
Is it just me, or is everybody else's Facebook feed filled with Romney fans getting their hopes up way too high?
 
2012-10-04 01:26:14 AM

Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: cameroncrazy1984: muck4doo: logistic: muck4doo: Quickly Fark! To the TPM machine!

Excellent retort. I like it because it was so full of intellect and stuff.

Hey, go get those Think Progress links lined up too. Ignore me.

So you have no problem with what the link actually says?

I don't pay attention to sites I disagree with. That shouldn't be a concept lost on the Fark Lib crowd. I won't even give it a click. :p

You rebel. We stand in awe of your principles.


Isn't it? That's how awesome anyone looks when they refuse to read the article.
 
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