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2012-10-04 09:45:35 AM  

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There's no way a Challenger can do 50mph down a logging trail -- sideways.


Nor would I ever want to! :) Those WRX/STi are nice rally cars for sure!

But on my left lane highway driving, I wouldn't need to do a jump through a forest in Boston ;)
 
2012-10-04 09:46:26 AM  

StrangeQ: Bruce Campbell: StrangeQ: Your fart can gave you a 5hp boost? So what, does that finally put you over 100hp? How's the torque on that 2-liter four-banger?

My 2 liter 4 banger has more HP and the same torque as the last Mustang GT and the torque comes on sooner. Plus AWD means I can use all of it all the time, which means goodbye. Also, the best part is I am not driving a Mustang.

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I'd do more, but I just ordered my S4, which with a reflash and new underdrive pulley will dust the new GT. Plus I will also not be driving a Mustang then either.

Right, so you're putting what, 14psi into that little go-cart engine? Know what happens when you drop even an entry level blower onto that GT? You get left in the dust. But it's funny how you think that dropping $10k+ worth of mods into some little rice burner makes it "better" than a stock V8.

Girion47: My car is in my profile. 267 HP, 0-60 in 5 seconds, ability to carry 5 people, can go offroad, AWD, and easily removable roof rack so I can take my kayaks/bikes with me when I want to do non-car stuff.

But please, tell me how your Dodge Clunker can make louder vroom vroom noises than my car can.

Yeah, 5 people sitting shoulder-to-shoulder cursing the God that made them if the trip lasts any longer than an hour. And I would love to know your definition of "off-road" since you look like you have max 5" of ground clearance, maybe less depending on how the exhaust is routed. One pot-hole or too-deep rut in the road later and those pretty little low-profile tires aren't going to be doing you much good. And roof rack? How about a tow hitch:
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I can pull a 2000lb trailer behind me when I feel like it, which pretty much means I can load up the bikes, kayaks, tents, coolers or boat when I don't feel like doing "car stuff."


Haven't seen a mustang do this.

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I've been in the backseat of a mustang, it was very cramped.

WRX's can tow stuff as well as use a roof rack bub.

How's your car handle in the snow? I'm sure it makes very pretty donuts whereas both of my 4 bangers are able to drive through stuff that's making Explorers and H2's run off the road.

And those are Z rated summer tires on the car, not low profile like on the Audi. I've got some nice thick ones for the winter.

I don't know why Mustang owners have gotten so much more meathead-like since their car became the new chick car.
 
2012-10-04 09:49:21 AM  
Love the car people who compare Apples to Oranges and then say that the Bananas are better!!
 
2012-10-04 09:50:27 AM  

392Zaphod: Love the car people who compare Apples to Oranges and then say that the Bananas are better!!


I saw one like yours, but white with black lettering and striping. It was gorgeous. Love yours, too.
 
2012-10-04 09:56:08 AM  

StrangeQ: Right, so you're putting what, 14psi into that little go-cart engine? Know what happens when you drop even an entry level blower onto that GT? You get left in the dust. But it's funny how you think that dropping $10k+ worth of mods into some little rice burner makes it "better" than a stock V8.


$6k in mods and in a car with far better appointments than Mustang. Plus, I don't need to get a mullet. It's a shame that a car company has to design a car to harken back to when their cars were actually iconic to generate sales. Good luck putting your power down when you get your supercharger. I'll be waiting at the next light while you try to extricate yourself from the median.
 
2012-10-04 10:02:17 AM  

Bruce Campbell: StrangeQ: Right, so you're putting what, 14psi into that little go-cart engine? Know what happens when you drop even an entry level blower onto that GT? You get left in the dust. But it's funny how you think that dropping $10k+ worth of mods into some little rice burner makes it "better" than a stock V8.

$6k in mods and in a car with far better appointments than Mustang. Plus, I don't need to get a mullet. It's a shame that a car company has to design a car to harken back to when their cars were actually iconic to generate sales. Good luck putting your power down when you get your supercharger. I'll be waiting at the next light while you try to extricate yourself from the median.


Plus when meeting with clients, an Audi is going to project a more professional look than some rumbling rustang.
 
2012-10-04 10:03:01 AM  

The Muthaship: 392Zaphod: Love the car people who compare Apples to Oranges and then say that the Bananas are better!!

I saw one like yours, but white with black lettering and striping. It was gorgeous. Love yours, too.


Thanks!! I have to admit, I really like the white challengers too, they did a nice job with all the colors, but that shiny mirror black is always sexy! To bad I see dirt even after washing it!

I like yours too, very sleek, especially with those tires and rims!
 
2012-10-04 10:04:25 AM  

392Zaphod: To bad I see dirt even after washing it!

I like yours too, very sleek, especially with those tires and rims!


That's the downside of black. Best looking color when clean, but hard to keep it that way.

And, thanks! I wonder if they'll let me return it. It's too f*cking fast!
 
2012-10-04 10:04:38 AM  

This text is now purple: Those little 4-banger rally cars have their advantages.


Actually, what I liked most about my old '96 Civic was its combination of reliability and expendability. I punished that car like I was a sadist and it was begging for more. Whoops, took the wrong on-ramp, wanted to go northbound, not southbound. No problem! BUMP KA-BUMP KA-THUNK OK, now I'm on the off ramp. Mulligan! Hmm, I'm in the parking lot but I'm staring at the street twenty feet away. BUMP THUMP BA-BUMP Cool! On the street in three seconds instead of looping all the way around the lot. Hmm, tight parking spot next to a douchebag's Canyonero that's way over the line. Oh well, if the guy crushes my bumper it'll hurt his wallet more than mine. I called him Moe, after the bartender on "The Simpsons" because he was old, crusty, always there and was such an ugly piece of shiat that owning him made me want to drink.

Moe would never win a race, never impress the girls and never appear on a magazine cover. But I've never seen a high-end or luxury car take the shortcuts you see only when you're driving a car you just don't give a shiat about. It's very liberating in a weird way.
 
2012-10-04 10:05:04 AM  

Incetardis: I like the Elise/Exige...but at 6'1 she's a tight fit. That's half the reason i went with the Challenger over the new Mustangs, which are without the doubt the best bang for your buck car available as far as performance. I just like the room/comfort/4 hooker trunk that Dodge bestowed on the boat.

Since I left the forces I joined the railway and we had a guy that qualified recently and of course, being 20 - thought job security was a sure thing. So he goes out and buys an EVO and a boost controller. Cranks it up an additional 12 or so PSI and blasts the shiat out of his engine. Mitsubishi knows exactly what happened - won't cover it. 12 grand engine replacement. 12 thousand dollars for a four banger! I can buy a whole new (fake) Hemi for 4 grand. The rods must be made of platinum and forged by dwarves.


I was going to laugh except my Intrepid SXT has a 3.5 engine (Mitsubishi) and my last car, a Hyundai Accent, had an exploded engine (Mitsubishi)

/MMMIIITTTSUUUBIIISHIIII!!!!1
 
2012-10-04 10:06:55 AM  

Girion47: Haven't seen a mustang do this.


Nor will yours be without some hefty suspension mods. Put those same mods into a Mustang and it will do the same. But at that point the only thing that classifies it as a Ford or a Subaru is the plastic wrapping on the outside.

WRX's can tow stuff as well as use a roof rack bub.

Uh huh, and what's your curb weight? 2500lbs? Put a 2000lb trailer behind that and watch it pull you right off the road on the first curve you hit.

How's your car handle in the snow? I'm sure it makes very pretty donuts whereas both of my 4 bangers are able to drive through stuff that's making Explorers and H2's run off the road.

Just fine, because I know how to drive a stick.

And those are Z rated summer tires on the car, not low profile like on the Audi. I've got some nice thick ones for the winter.

With some smaller rims to accompany them I assume which doesn't really help your ground clearance. And I'm still wondering what your definition of off-road is for YOUR car since you claimed that is one of its selling points.

I don't know why Mustang owners have gotten so much more meathead-like since their car became the new chick car.

Probably because ever since Fast and the Furious came out we've been putting up with rice wannabes that think that fart can and type-R sticker make them turn into Vin Diesel.
 
2012-10-04 10:07:30 AM  

Girion47: Plus when meeting with clients, an Audi is going to project a more professional look than some rumbling rustang.


Which is why I went with a resonated exhaust. My car looks completely stock other than the fact that the exhaust pipes are 4". It sounds more throaty, but other than that, the only tell tale that it isn't stock is the diverter valve flutter when coming off throttle.
 
2012-10-04 10:08:36 AM  

The Muthaship: 392Zaphod: To bad I see dirt even after washing it!

I like yours too, very sleek, especially with those tires and rims!

That's the downside of black. Best looking color when clean, but hard to keep it that way.

And, thanks! I wonder if they'll let me return it. It's too f*cking fast!


LOL that's a good reason I almost have the wife in the car with me! She makes sure I don't drive to fast... she's quick to let me know if I am! ;)

That's one thing with all new cars these days... they are so smooth on the road, even at 100+ MPH... sometimes you don't even realize how fast you are going when you pass that truck on the highway!!
 
2012-10-04 10:09:47 AM  

392Zaphod: That's one thing with all new cars these days... they are so smooth on the road, even at 100+ MPH... sometimes you don't even realize how fast you are going when you pass that truck on the highway!!


Ain't that the truth. I bought a radar detector after the first time I drove that thing.
 
2012-10-04 10:14:29 AM  

The Muthaship: 392Zaphod: That's one thing with all new cars these days... they are so smooth on the road, even at 100+ MPH... sometimes you don't even realize how fast you are going when you pass that truck on the highway!!

Ain't that the truth. I bought a radar detector after the first time I drove that thing.


See, I would get a radar detector, but my problem isn't really on the highways... it's being first at a red light and punching it when it turns green.. that torque just puts me in my seat and I love it!
 
2012-10-04 10:14:41 AM  

Bruce Campbell: StrangeQ: Right, so you're putting what, 14psi into that little go-cart engine? Know what happens when you drop even an entry level blower onto that GT? You get left in the dust. But it's funny how you think that dropping $10k+ worth of mods into some little rice burner makes it "better" than a stock V8.

$6k in mods and in a car with far better appointments than Mustang. Plus, I don't need to get a mullet. It's a shame that a car company has to design a car to harken back to when their cars were actually iconic to generate sales. Good luck putting your power down when you get your supercharger. I'll be waiting at the next light while you try to extricate yourself from the median.


Better appointments? What does that even mean? And the real shame is that someone is so insecure with their car they bought stock that they have to drop $6k of mods into it just to make it equal to cars that still carry their factory warranties.
 
2012-10-04 10:17:07 AM  

392Zaphod: it's being first at a red light and punching it when it turns green.. that torque just puts me in my seat and I love it!


That is the best. Mine is all wheel drive, so when you press the gas there's no spinning tires, you are going forward....violently.
 
2012-10-04 10:23:26 AM  

The Muthaship: 392Zaphod: it's being first at a red light and punching it when it turns green.. that torque just puts me in my seat and I love it!

That is the best. Mine is all wheel drive, so when you press the gas there's no spinning tires, you are going forward....violently.


With the ETS on, I don't spin tires, even if I try ;) But what I tell my wife, just think of it as a roller coaster and just raise your hands and scream Wheeeeee!!! She then gives me a look and I slow down :P
 
2012-10-04 10:26:00 AM  

392Zaphod: With the ETS on, I don't spin tires, even if I try ;) But what I tell my wife, just think of it as a roller coaster and just raise your hands and scream Wheeeeee!!! She then gives me a look and I slow down


Nice. I am glad my tires don't spin. I don't want to replace them any sooner than I have to!

My wife drove mine once, and is now afraid of it.
 
2012-10-04 10:29:37 AM  

The Muthaship: 392Zaphod: With the ETS on, I don't spin tires, even if I try ;) But what I tell my wife, just think of it as a roller coaster and just raise your hands and scream Wheeeeee!!! She then gives me a look and I slow down

Nice. I am glad my tires don't spin. I don't want to replace them any sooner than I have to!

My wife drove mine once, and is now afraid of it.


LOL my wife drives a civic and is afraid of driving the Challenger because of how big it is!! Also, welcome to be being the first favorited person on my Fark list! I made it match the color of your car!!
 
2012-10-04 10:30:20 AM  
It's a-maize-ing no one was hurt.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-10-04 10:31:12 AM  
But we all agree on BMW owners right? ;)
 
2012-10-04 10:31:56 AM  

StrangeQ: Girion47: Haven't seen a mustang do this.

Nor will yours be without some hefty suspension mods. Put those same mods into a Mustang and it will do the same. But at that point the only thing that classifies it as a Ford or a Subaru is the plastic wrapping on the outside.

WRX's can tow stuff as well as use a roof rack bub.

Uh huh, and what's your curb weight? 2500lbs? Put a 2000lb trailer behind that and watch it pull you right off the road on the first curve you hit.

How's your car handle in the snow? I'm sure it makes very pretty donuts whereas both of my 4 bangers are able to drive through stuff that's making Explorers and H2's run off the road.

Just fine, because I know how to drive a stick.

And those are Z rated summer tires on the car, not low profile like on the Audi. I've got some nice thick ones for the winter.

With some smaller rims to accompany them I assume which doesn't really help your ground clearance. And I'm still wondering what your definition of off-road is for YOUR car since you claimed that is one of its selling points.

I don't know why Mustang owners have gotten so much more meathead-like since their car became the new chick car.

Probably because ever since Fast and the Furious came out we've been putting up with rice wannabes that think that fart can and type-R sticker make them turn into Vin Diesel.


the WRX/STI didn't even make an appearance in F&F until the 4th movie. You need to be hating on the tards in Hondas and Neons. The discussions on NASIOC are mostly on how to keep the car, pristine(non-ricey), legal and track ready, not NOZZED OUT THE shiat BRO!!!
 
2012-10-04 10:32:48 AM  

392Zaphod: LOL my wife drives a civic and is afraid of driving the Challenger because of how big it is!! Also, welcome to be being the first favorited person on my Fark list! I made it match the color of your car!!


Last year, I sold my '76 Eldorado convertible, she wouldn't drive that for the same reason.

And thanks!

I'd favorite you in yours, but then I couldn't read your comments....
 
2012-10-04 10:33:08 AM  

StrangeQ: Better appointments? What does that even mean? And the real shame is that someone is so insecure with their car they bought stock that they have to drop $6k of mods into it just to make it equal to cars that still carry their factory warranties.


Fit, finish, ergonomics, quality of materials, and quality of workmanship. I should have expected you wouldn't know what that meant because you think Mustangs are awesome.

It's not about insecurity, rather about performance and bang for the buck will still looking like a respectable business professional. I looked at the cost and reviews of the S4 (and the primary concern being its tendency to be heavy on the understeer) before deciding on the 2.0t Audi and the cost along with the cost of my mods was less than that of the S4 and gave me more power with less weight and more importantly with less weight over the front axle giving the car more balance. That means my car looks like a pokey A4, but is faster than an S4 from the same model year and handles better. It will also beat the hell out of a car 4 years older than it in a 2010 Mustang GT.

APR warrants their modifications and the Magnusson Moss act will prevent the manufacturer from denying warranty claims unless it is proven the modification cause the failure, so your statement has no point. 55,000 miles after the modifications, the only failure my car has ever sustained was a dead battery.
 
2012-10-04 10:35:15 AM  

392Zaphod: The Muthaship: 392Zaphod: With the ETS on, I don't spin tires, even if I try ;) But what I tell my wife, just think of it as a roller coaster and just raise your hands and scream Wheeeeee!!! She then gives me a look and I slow down

Nice. I am glad my tires don't spin. I don't want to replace them any sooner than I have to!

My wife drove mine once, and is now afraid of it.

LOL my wife drives a civic and is afraid of driving the Challenger because of how big it is!! Also, welcome to be being the first favorited person on my Fark list! I made it match the color of your car!!


You can have your gassers, I prefer 50 MPG with my JSW TDI
www.examiner.com
 
2012-10-04 10:49:37 AM  

Shadow Blasko: My ex was hit two weeks ago by another driver. Both are insured by Geico. They are claiming that he never transferred his insurance to his new car (that he had for almost a year) and that she was not authorized to be driving the car she bought less than a month before. Her car, her insurance, her finance.

They are refusing to pay either claim.


Between my wife and I we've had four different insurance companies over the years and Geico is the only one we've ever had any problems with. They initially refused to pay on a claim by lying about how they thought the accident happened (they claimed it looked like I swiped a guardrail when the car clearly had a huge, straight-in indentation on the front quarter panel where a truck smacked nose-first into it) so I sued them and they immediately settled. Despite my protestations, my wife went with them and they immediately farked up her records by saying there was an accident on her record when there was not, then they refused to remove it saying "well, it doesn't affect anything"... yea.. right.

Geico is one of three companies I literally hate with a fiery passion. I think I might actually develop a personal hatred toward a person just because they work there I hate them so much.
 
2012-10-04 10:55:19 AM  
Wow, it's hard to believe anyone has more farked up insurance companies than the U.S. After hearing about Sweden and Finland I can't feel so bad about it here.
 
2012-10-04 11:24:25 AM  
He was driving the rare 360 Spider F1 Challenge Stradale through country lanes near Bern, Switzerland.


If that is in fact what it is, then it is incredibly rare as Ferrari themselves aren't even aware of such a car being produced. Something tells me that the reporter is confusing the Spider F1 (a convertible) and the Challenge Stradale (a hardtop), which are different models. The pictures clearly show a convertible, so my guess is that he was actually driving the significantly less rare Spider vs the rare Challenge Stradale.
 
2012-10-04 11:26:24 AM  
pics.imcdb.org
 
2012-10-04 11:36:49 AM  
All high end cars have traction control now. But apparently the first thing idiots do when they get into an unfamiliar sports car is turn it off.
 
2012-10-04 11:51:35 AM  
Lots of great car talk in this thread. I particularly like the Sgt. Cobrajet story. Every car person knows someone like that. Classic.

From my personal experience, after having done over 100 HPDE events at various tracks across the country and doing testing for a team that races a Porsche GT-3 in the Speed World Challenge (SCCA Pro), I can say this: 99% of what makes a car fast is the driver. I've been to events where an experienced guy driving a stock Miata can absolutely smoke a guy driving a Lamborghini.

And while it pains me to say this because I'm a German car guy, for HPDE events, the absolute best bang for the buck is a Corvette.
 
2012-10-04 11:55:27 AM  

dragonchild: Actually, the specs are determined in advance, based on marketing, and the engineers do their best to design to them.


From what I've heard, that's the key difference between the American auto companies and the Japanese auto companies.

The American companies work the way you describe. In the Japanese companies, the engineers design the the car, and marketing does their best to sell them.

The fact that we put the car before the horse is the reason why the Japanese auto companies have been kicking Detroit's ass for 30 years.
 
2012-10-04 11:57:09 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's nice, but it's not as sexy as the Testarossa 458 Italia. Hell, not many cars are.


FTFY AND ME ;)
 
2012-10-04 11:57:43 AM  

392Zaphod: StrangeQ: Girion47: I love American Muscle douchebags, hating on J-cars because they're cheaper, look better, and handle better than the american boats. Hows that visibility in the Camaro? Or driving what looks like a block of wood Charger?

Yeah, those Civics just look so awesome with the coffee can muffler hanging off the back and those Type-R stickers plastered on the window. What's that? Your fart can gave you a 5hp boost? So what, does that finally put you over 100hp? How's the torque on that 2-liter four-banger?

This:
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Versus this:
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I will pick the Challenger every time! Although I am biased, as that is my exact car I currently drive! ;)

As for the Challenger being bigger, that is the MAIN reason I bought it over the Camaro or the Mustang... I can fit 3 adult sized friends in the back seat, with 3-4 luggage bags in the trunk... sure she is a beast, but I love that! :)


www.streetlegaltv.com

Jezza: is that real carbon fiber?
Hammond: no it is not
Jezza: are those functional ram air scoops
Hammond: no they are not

lulz

/how am i the bewbs with top gear reference?
 
2012-10-04 12:03:49 PM  

The Muthaship: Girion47: My car is in my profile.

I love it!

Here's mine, which can't go off road, carry 5 people (maybe 4 with 2 in great discomfort), and won't be hauling any kayaks:

[i1240.photobucket.com image 850x637]


So....farking....nice!
 
2012-10-04 12:05:00 PM  

foxyshadis:
It's hard to believe that things are so absolutely opposite right next door in Germany, where 40-50kph over (on an appropriate freeway) is something like a 25 euro fine. I'm not saying I don't believe you, it's just mind-boggling that there's anyplace even more Nazi than America about arbitrary speed enforcement.


Germany is probably that place.
 
2012-10-04 12:05:53 PM  

The Envoy: So....farking....nice!


Thanks. I've loved other cars before, but never like I love this one.
 
2012-10-04 12:08:05 PM  

vento: Lots of great car talk in this thread. I particularly like the Sgt. Cobrajet story. Every car person knows someone like that. Classic.

From my personal experience, after having done over 100 HPDE events at various tracks across the country and doing testing for a team that races a Porsche GT-3 in the Speed World Challenge (SCCA Pro), I can say this: 99% of what makes a car fast is the driver. I've been to events where an experienced guy driving a stock Miata can absolutely smoke a guy driving a Lamborghini.

And while it pains me to say this because I'm a German car guy, for HPDE events, the absolute best bang for the buck is a Corvette.


A friend of mine races his GT3. Recently he came over and did a tour of Silverstone, Brand's Hatch and Donnington in a Lotus 211. I met him at Brand's and he took me for a few laps. Once he got the heat in his tyres he stuck to a GT3 RS all the way around. Of course Brand's has lots of corners and only one real straight, but it was seriously impressive, the amount of skill he showed was phenomenal. It also made me realise how far away from being able to drive like that I really am. Humbling.
 
2012-10-04 12:17:46 PM  

clyph: The American companies work the way you describe. In the Japanese companies, the engineers design the the car, and marketing does their best to sell them.


I actually spent more time working for Japanese OEMs. The consumer car world is so cutthroat that a lot of systemic inefficiencies were squeezed out a long time ago.

If I was to highlight a difference, it's that the Japanese have internal quality standards they adhere to that no one can override. Japanese part qualification tests are brutal. The OEM can scream at the supplier until they're blue in the face that a part costs too much, but if that's what it takes to meet the OEM's spec, the supplier wins out in the end. They will even re-write the specs if they have to, which is probably where you got the impression that the Japanese design their cars backwards. (They're less likely to win the next bid and may have to re-negotiate their operating margin, so it's not like suppliers are eager to play this card.) American method is generally to grind the suppliers' faces into gravel until every last corner is cut in the name of reducing costs, then overspec. That's really not how you go about procuring quality parts; performance and reliability are entirely different concepts. For example, a bracket that's loaded at half spec can very well fail prematurely due to, say, excessive vibration. That an overspec part can handle abuse in a test drive is an expected result that gives little insight on how it'll perform after 3, 5, 10 years of everyday wear.
 
2012-10-04 12:18:50 PM  

The Envoy: vento: Lots of great car talk in this thread. I particularly like the Sgt. Cobrajet story. Every car person knows someone like that. Classic.

From my personal experience, after having done over 100 HPDE events at various tracks across the country and doing testing for a team that races a Porsche GT-3 in the Speed World Challenge (SCCA Pro), I can say this: 99% of what makes a car fast is the driver. I've been to events where an experienced guy driving a stock Miata can absolutely smoke a guy driving a Lamborghini.

And while it pains me to say this because I'm a German car guy, for HPDE events, the absolute best bang for the buck is a Corvette.

A friend of mine races his GT3. Recently he came over and did a tour of Silverstone, Brand's Hatch and Donnington in a Lotus 211. I met him at Brand's and he took me for a few laps. Once he got the heat in his tyres he stuck to a GT3 RS all the way around. Of course Brand's has lots of corners and only one real straight, but it was seriously impressive, the amount of skill he showed was phenomenal. It also made me realise how far away from being able to drive like that I really am. Humbling.


You can get there. It just takes seat time. Just like anything, practice makes...err...better. Heck, doing a single HPDE event with an instructor in the passenger seat will make you a MUCH better driver. And the most important thing to remember is that you can always learn more. My Dad raced a 1965 Mini Cooper S in SCCA Pro Solo when I was a kid, and he told me that if you think you know everything about a car, it will teach you very quickly that you know nothing.
 
2012-10-04 12:39:22 PM  

vento: The Envoy: vento: Lots of great car talk in this thread. I particularly like the Sgt. Cobrajet story. Every car person knows someone like that. Classic.

From my personal experience, after having done over 100 HPDE events at various tracks across the country and doing testing for a team that races a Porsche GT-3 in the Speed World Challenge (SCCA Pro), I can say this: 99% of what makes a car fast is the driver. I've been to events where an experienced guy driving a stock Miata can absolutely smoke a guy driving a Lamborghini.

And while it pains me to say this because I'm a German car guy, for HPDE events, the absolute best bang for the buck is a Corvette.

A friend of mine races his GT3. Recently he came over and did a tour of Silverstone, Brand's Hatch and Donnington in a Lotus 211. I met him at Brand's and he took me for a few laps. Once he got the heat in his tyres he stuck to a GT3 RS all the way around. Of course Brand's has lots of corners and only one real straight, but it was seriously impressive, the amount of skill he showed was phenomenal. It also made me realise how far away from being able to drive like that I really am. Humbling.

You can get there. It just takes seat time. Just like anything, practice makes...err...better. Heck, doing a single HPDE event with an instructor in the passenger seat will make you a MUCH better driver. And the most important thing to remember is that you can always learn more. My Dad raced a 1965 Mini Cooper S in SCCA Pro Solo when I was a kid, and he told me that if you think you know everything about a car, it will teach you very quickly that you know nothing.




Man, if you really want to be humbled, watch an in-car cam aimed at the feet of a champion rallye racer. It's a three(?)-footed dance worthy of Fred Astaire!!

I try, but I need dirt roads with NO TREES to become more comfortable with such things as left-foot braking...
 
2012-10-04 12:49:17 PM  

vento: The Envoy: vento: Lots of great car talk in this thread. I particularly like the Sgt. Cobrajet story. Every car person knows someone like that. Classic.

From my personal experience, after having done over 100 HPDE events at various tracks across the country and doing testing for a team that races a Porsche GT-3 in the Speed World Challenge (SCCA Pro), I can say this: 99% of what makes a car fast is the driver. I've been to events where an experienced guy driving a stock Miata can absolutely smoke a guy driving a Lamborghini.

And while it pains me to say this because I'm a German car guy, for HPDE events, the absolute best bang for the buck is a Corvette.

A friend of mine races his GT3. Recently he came over and did a tour of Silverstone, Brand's Hatch and Donnington in a Lotus 211. I met him at Brand's and he took me for a few laps. Once he got the heat in his tyres he stuck to a GT3 RS all the way around. Of course Brand's has lots of corners and only one real straight, but it was seriously impressive, the amount of skill he showed was phenomenal. It also made me realise how far away from being able to drive like that I really am. Humbling.

You can get there. It just takes seat time. Just like anything, practice makes...err...better. Heck, doing a single HPDE event with an instructor in the passenger seat will make you a MUCH better driver. And the most important thing to remember is that you can always learn more. My Dad raced a 1965 Mini Cooper S in SCCA Pro Solo when I was a kid, and he told me that if you think you know everything about a car, it will teach you very quickly that you know nothing.


So much THIS! I got a ride from Bob Tunnell after I'd been doing track stuff for a few years. I remember thinking to myself as I got out of the car afterwards, "Why do I even bother when there are guys like that out there?"
 
2012-10-04 01:02:58 PM  

IAtetheChupacabra: vento: The Envoy: vento: Lots of great car talk in this thread. I particularly like the Sgt. Cobrajet story. Every car person knows someone like that. Classic.

From my personal experience, after having done over 100 HPDE events at various tracks across the country and doing testing for a team that races a Porsche GT-3 in the Speed World Challenge (SCCA Pro), I can say this: 99% of what makes a car fast is the driver. I've been to events where an experienced guy driving a stock Miata can absolutely smoke a guy driving a Lamborghini.

And while it pains me to say this because I'm a German car guy, for HPDE events, the absolute best bang for the buck is a Corvette.

A friend of mine races his GT3. Recently he came over and did a tour of Silverstone, Brand's Hatch and Donnington in a Lotus 211. I met him at Brand's and he took me for a few laps. Once he got the heat in his tyres he stuck to a GT3 RS all the way around. Of course Brand's has lots of corners and only one real straight, but it was seriously impressive, the amount of skill he showed was phenomenal. It also made me realise how far away from being able to drive like that I really am. Humbling.

You can get there. It just takes seat time. Just like anything, practice makes...err...better. Heck, doing a single HPDE event with an instructor in the passenger seat will make you a MUCH better driver. And the most important thing to remember is that you can always learn more. My Dad raced a 1965 Mini Cooper S in SCCA Pro Solo when I was a kid, and he told me that if you think you know everything about a car, it will teach you very quickly that you know nothing.



Man, if you really want to be humbled, watch an in-car cam aimed at the feet of a champion rallye racer. It's a three(?)-footed dance worthy of Fred Astaire!!

I try, but I need dirt roads with NO TREES to become more comfortable with such things as left-foot braking...


Those guys are AMAZING. At the same time, watch video of a camera aimed at their face. It seriously seems as if they don't blink AT ALL.
 
2012-10-04 01:59:02 PM  

fusillade762: pranging

Wot?


content6.flixster.com
 
2012-10-04 02:11:10 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 500x300]

"In your policy, it quite clearly states that no claim you make will be paid."


Still, never mind - could be worse. How's the nude lady?

/but it says something about filling my mouth in with cement
 
2012-10-04 02:38:00 PM  
i.ytimg.com

Charlie, my boy
 
2012-10-04 03:13:00 PM  

inner ted: 392Zaphod: StrangeQ: Girion47: I love American Muscle douchebags, hating on J-cars because they're cheaper, look better, and handle better than the american boats. Hows that visibility in the Camaro? Or driving what looks like a block of wood Charger?

Yeah, those Civics just look so awesome with the coffee can muffler hanging off the back and those Type-R stickers plastered on the window. What's that? Your fart can gave you a 5hp boost? So what, does that finally put you over 100hp? How's the torque on that 2-liter four-banger?

This:
[www.blogcdn.com image 450x282]

Versus this:
[www.autowallpaperhd.com image 590x442]

I will pick the Challenger every time! Although I am biased, as that is my exact car I currently drive! ;)

As for the Challenger being bigger, that is the MAIN reason I bought it over the Camaro or the Mustang... I can fit 3 adult sized friends in the back seat, with 3-4 luggage bags in the trunk... sure she is a beast, but I love that! :)

[www.streetlegaltv.com image 536x479]

Jezza: is that real carbon fiber?
Hammond: no it is not
Jezza: are those functional ram air scoops
Hammond: no they are not

lulz

/how am i the bewbs with top gear reference?


Damn, go to bed and the thread explodes!

I LOVE that episode. The banter alone makes it a classic, and the first year Challengers (only offered in SRT trim) were definitely lacking. They sorted out almost all of those problems, from adding functional hood scoops, much better handling (it's still a boat) and the key FOB shut down range.

As for comparing new Ferraris to new muscle...was that a serious item of debate? Really? A 300k car that will be lucky to hit 20k on the odo vs. a sub 40 grand domestic that will most likely see 100k within a few years? Really? It's a testament to how obsolete old supercars are, not intended to dick measure. You'll NEVER have the fastest car. Ever. There will always be someone quicker, so you'd best love what you drive or you'll go broke trying to keep with the Jones' Stigs. There's plenty of kids out there who can handle a wrench that will embarrass GT-Rs light-to-light with 10k Fox body 5.0 Mustangs that are half rusted out. Sleepers...they're the worst.

You know THAT'S probably the worst thing about Jap Car fan boys - they always compare modded this and that to stock cars.

As far the Subaru - it's a hell of a lot more respectable than it's brethren. It's purpose built to rally, and accomplishes similar performance by a different method. No problems with that.
 
2012-10-04 03:15:19 PM  

Incetardis: There's plenty of kids out there who can handle a wrench that will embarrass GT-Rs light-to-light with 10k Fox body 5.0 Mustangs that are half rusted out.


What I find is that everybody thinks they can beat it light to light. Or at least they can't help trying.
 
2012-10-04 03:51:09 PM  

publikenemy: The Envoy: foxyshadis: Veloster Turbo

I just saw one of these for the first time a few days ago. It's such a weird looking car but nevertheless is quite appealing. It's such an odd thing, to have something teetering perfectly on the line between hideous and desirable. If it goes anything like the Coupe does then it should be fun to drive.

With the arrival of kids my wife is desperately pushing for an estate, for the space and also because she doesn't like saloons. This does not take in to account my desire for a nice, high-spec car so I'm trying to persuade her that the Audi RS6 Avant or possibly an M5 fits the bill. I'm an optimist, what can I say.


Nice! Congrats on being able to afford such beautiful refined automobiles. You can't go wrong with either one really.


They don't sell the new RS6 in the US. Here I go assuming you live in US. The old one was cool though.

If I somehow strike it rich you can buy my M5, but I gotta pay it off first...
 
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