If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Atlantic)   It's been twenty years and three hours since Sinead O'Connor ripped up that picture of the Pope, and she's finally gotten her redemption. Though she basically went insane and never looked back 'cause NOTHING COMPARES 2 U   (theatlantic.com) divider line 94
    More: Followup, Sinead O'Connor, Richard Roeper, state religion, business acumen, Irish people, Pope John Paul II, labor camp, SNL  
•       •       •

4842 clicks; posted to Entertainment » on 04 Oct 2012 at 5:38 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



94 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-10-04 09:51:23 AM

PhiloeBedoe: What always pissed me off about the pope ripping picture stunt was the idea that in her mind this was fine but 2 years earlier she boycotted a SNL show because Andrew Dice Clay told some pussy jokes.



So logical consistency pisses you off?

She tore up the picture in protest of sexual abuse, she didn't care for the misoginy of Diceman. Sexual abuse victims dont tend to be fond of misoginy.

I fail to see any hypocrisy here in her stances.
 
2012-10-04 09:54:40 AM
She goes out every night but sleeps all...day since God took his love away.
 
2012-10-04 09:54:58 AM

Harv72b: So I guess I was the only one who remembered it from day one as being a protest against child abuse? I must've been tuned into some sort of alternate media back then or something.


I was an alter boy at the time and knowing all the pedo jokes, I had an idea why she did it. It's not until recently with all the cover-ups coming out that I'm surprised to find out how many people were in deep denial about how widespread abuses in the church have been over decades.
 
2012-10-04 09:57:07 AM

Bhruic: DjangoStonereaver: It sickens me that the Church has waived their rules to fast-track JPII into sainthood because they are
pretty obviously trying to keep the faithful distracted from the real problems in the church (though,
really, the faithful don't care, which only compounds the tragedy of it all).

I don't think it's so much not caring, as that the religion has a built-in "get out of jail free" card. When you've got a system that forgives people for committing sins, then there's no accountability for those sins. After all, it's hard to condemn someone for their actions when Jesus has forgiven them.


Actually, there is accountability built into the system. It's called excommunication, and supposedly keeps you from going to heaven, which is what all these people are on about.

They don't have a problem whipping it out as a threat if you vote for the wrong political candidate, but can anyone tell me how many priests that raped children were excommunicated?

/Now, let's not get hasty
//The children are Satan's temptation
 
2012-10-04 10:03:34 AM

puckrock2000: On October 16, at a tribute concert to Bob Dylan, O'Connor faced a hostile crowd. Defiantly, she asked her band for silence and briefly attempted to reprise her a capella performance of "War." She broke off and fled the stage in a hail of catcalls and boos. Dylan made no statement in her defense.

But Kris Kristofferson did - "Don't let the bastards get you down."


I'm sure he supported her telepathically, because he didn't want to draw attention to himself
 
2012-10-04 10:08:23 AM

Disposable Rob: Harv72b: So I guess I was the only one who remembered it from day one as being a protest against child abuse? I must've been tuned into some sort of alternate media back then or something.

I was an alter boy at the time and knowing all the pedo jokes, I had an idea why she did it. It's not until recently with all the cover-ups coming out that I'm surprised to find out how many people were in deep denial about how widespread abuses in the church have been over decades.


"alter" boy? How did they alter you?
 
2012-10-04 10:08:51 AM

Disposable Rob: Harv72b: So I guess I was the only one who remembered it from day one as being a protest against child abuse? I must've been tuned into some sort of alternate media back then or something.

I was an alter boy at the time and knowing all the pedo jokes, I had an idea why she did it. It's not until recently with all the cover-ups coming out that I'm surprised to find out how many people were in deep denial about how widespread abuses in the church have been over decades.


so you liked it didnt you.

with your innocent rosy cheeks and puppy dog eyes. You seduced those proud men of the cloth with your innocence and air tight ring.
 
2012-10-04 10:13:08 AM

YouBWrong: Disposable Rob: Harv72b: So I guess I was the only one who remembered it from day one as being a protest against child abuse? I must've been tuned into some sort of alternate media back then or something.

I was an alter boy at the time and knowing all the pedo jokes, I had an idea why she did it. It's not until recently with all the cover-ups coming out that I'm surprised to find out how many people were in deep denial about how widespread abuses in the church have been over decades.

"alter" boy? How did they alter you?


Whoops. Well, it's not like you need to know how to spell the thing to light candles next to it and hold up books near it.
 
2012-10-04 10:14:56 AM

Father_Jack: Disposable Rob: Harv72b: So I guess I was the only one who remembered it from day one as being a protest against child abuse? I must've been tuned into some sort of alternate media back then or something.

I was an alter boy at the time and knowing all the pedo jokes, I had an idea why she did it. It's not until recently with all the cover-ups coming out that I'm surprised to find out how many people were in deep denial about how widespread abuses in the church have been over decades.

so you liked it didnt you.

with your innocent rosy cheeks and puppy dog eyes. You seduced those proud men of the cloth with your innocence and air tight ring.


Yes, Father.
 
2012-10-04 10:24:56 AM

Harv72b: So I guess I was the only one who remembered it from day one as being a protest against child abuse? I must've been tuned into some sort of alternate media back then or something.


Nope. Child abuse by Catholic priests and Christian Brothers was big news up here in Canada, so I knew instantly what she was talking about.

/Worked with a guy whose brother was abused by a priest. When the family went to the police the dioceses apologized (verbally) but threatened to excommunicate the whole family stating that the church was more important than any of it's members and the impending criminal investigation would undoo all their good works. The family backed down and shut their son up. Not a CSB.
 
2012-10-04 10:25:33 AM

Disposable Rob: YouBWrong: Disposable Rob: Harv72b: So I guess I was the only one who remembered it from day one as being a protest against child abuse? I must've been tuned into some sort of alternate media back then or something.

I was an alter boy at the time and knowing all the pedo jokes, I had an idea why she did it. It's not until recently with all the cover-ups coming out that I'm surprised to find out how many people were in deep denial about how widespread abuses in the church have been over decades.

"alter" boy? How did they alter you?

Whoops. Well, it's not like you need to know how to spell the thing to light candles next to it and hold up books near it.


Did you get to ring the funny bells? That was my favorite part.
 
2012-10-04 10:49:42 AM

YouBWrong: Disposable Rob: YouBWrong: Disposable Rob: Harv72b: So I guess I was the only one who remembered it from day one as being a protest against child abuse? I must've been tuned into some sort of alternate media back then or something.

I was an alter boy at the time and knowing all the pedo jokes, I had an idea why she did it. It's not until recently with all the cover-ups coming out that I'm surprised to find out how many people were in deep denial about how widespread abuses in the church have been over decades.

"alter" boy? How did they alter you?

Whoops. Well, it's not like you need to know how to spell the thing to light candles next to it and hold up books near it.

Did you get to ring the funny bells? That was my favorite part.


Ever try to ring it bit early to hurry things along? Doesn't work too well.
 
2012-10-04 10:54:54 AM
It's pretty sad that someone's career could essentially end for taking a stand on an issue that she was entirely correct about.
 
2012-10-04 10:56:21 AM
I watched SNL live that night when she ripped the pic of the Pope and we couldn't believe it. It was amazing. We really had no idea what she meant by it, though. I've thought about this several times over the years when the scandals in the Church were coming out, wave after wave. It seemed looking back that maybe she had a point. At the same time, I've always admired John-Paul II. The problems in the church predated JPII.

Sinead is nuts. That's true. She's been nutty for years. But I thought the backlash against her was unwarranted. The article is long overdue.
 
2012-10-04 11:03:48 AM
She released more albums after the incident than prior to it.

And she's the one who said she wouldn't perform at a concert if the American National Anthem was played before it.....also before the incident.
 
2012-10-04 11:10:13 AM

rcantley: It's pretty sad that someone's career could essentially end for taking a stand on an issue that she was entirely correct about.


Taking a stand on an issue wont damn a career but how you present it will. If she talked about it, I do not think it would of been a controversy. But to tear a picture of the Pope has two different meanings. One could be what she meant it to be. But the other could easily be seen as an attack on a religion or group of people. Depends on if someone knew what she was trying to symbolize in her action. Plus, it could also been seen as distasteful and had the wrong timing.
 
2012-10-04 11:19:11 AM
I saw it as it happened that night. I am not Catholic and was not particularly offended; however, I do remember the air being sucked out of the room and being left stunned.

And finally, I remembering thinking that that woman was in a whole lot of pain.
 
2012-10-04 11:21:36 AM

Nadie_AZ:
At age 15, Sinead O'Connor was caught shoplifting and was sent to an institution much like those investigated in the Commission Report, a Magdalene laundry full of teenage girls who had been judged too promiscuous or uncooperative for civil society.


The Magdalene Laundries are a particularly shameful bit of Irish/church history. Here's a movie if you want a look at how they worked. Fairly depressing.

When I was in grad school, I had a couple from Boston as housemates - she was second generation Irish, he was second generation Polish. From her parents I learned about the Magdalene Laundries, from his mother I heard about the Katyn Forest Massacre. It was hard to believe that such things still exist within living memory.

/grad school - where you learn to hate humanity
 
2012-10-04 11:23:31 AM

Crewmannumber6: Asa Phelps: I always figured it was because she's an angry feminist and a proddie?

She did a very poor job of explaining her self. I was part of the vitriol against her, but 20 years later when she got around to saying WHY she did it, I sympathized completely.


If she'd been able to effectively articulate it, she would have been judged less harshly, though there's no way that the American public mind could collectively understand the magnitude of the Church's abuse at that time.

I saw her on "Larry King" about ten years ago, and that vile William Donohue of the Catholic League was on, and he just eviscerated her because she wasn't sufficiently well-spoken to counter his venom.
 
2012-10-04 11:27:46 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Nadie_AZ:
At age 15, Sinead O'Connor was caught shoplifting and was sent to an institution much like those investigated in the Commission Report, a Magdalene laundry full of teenage girls who had been judged too promiscuous or uncooperative for civil society.

The Magdalene Laundries are a particularly shameful bit of Irish/church history. Here's a movie if you want a look at how they worked. Fairly depressing.

When I was in grad school, I had a couple from Boston as housemates - she was second generation Irish, he was second generation Polish. From her parents I learned about the Magdalene Laundries, from his mother I heard about the Katyn Forest Massacre. It was hard to believe that such things still exist within living memory.

/grad school - where you learn to hate humanity


katyn forest is just one atrocity among many many many of ww2. it got so much worse than that. read much holocaust information? or about the croat death camps in yugoslavia which made even the german ones look civilized?
 
2012-10-04 11:44:07 AM
Are you people still whining about this?
 
2012-10-04 12:07:10 PM

PhiloeBedoe: jaylectricity: PhiloeBedoe: What always pissed me off about the pope ripping picture stunt was the idea that in her mind this was fine but 2 years earlier she boycotted a SNL show because Andrew Dice Clay told some pussy jokes.

You can't see the problem in your logic? In the case of Dice, she was upset about a man spewing hateful jokes, making women his victim. In the case of the pope she was upset about the Catholic church victimizing children. Andrew Dice Clay was not trying to enlighten us to a horrible travesty that was continuing (and probably still continues). He was just doing it for gratuitous reasons, laughter, and profit.

I'm not judging Clay's act or Sinead's protests of the Catholic Church or trying to compare or equate the two. I'm saying if you expect the right to free speech then give that same right to others, even if they do tell JOKES, that you don't agree with.


Yeah, but free speech rights are relatively new and aren't common in the world.

PhiloeBedoe: jaylectricity: PhiloeBedoe: I'm saying if you expect the right to free speech then give that same right to others, even if they do tell JOKES, that you don't agree with.

Right...free speech...the same thing she expressed by boycotting the show.

No, I'm pretty sure she's still just a pissy little hypocrite who wanted to take her ball and go home.


Free speech rights are relatively new.

The Muthaship: She released more albums after the incident than prior to it.

And she's the one who said she wouldn't perform at a concert if the American National Anthem was played before it.....also before the incident.

yves0010: rcantley: It's pretty sad that someone's career could essentially end for taking a stand on an issue that she was entirely correct about.

Taking a stand on an issue wont damn a career but how you present it will. If she talked about it, I do not think it would of been a controversy. But to tear a picture of the Pope has two different meanings. One could be what she meant it to be. But the other could easily be seen as an attack on a religion or group of people. Depends on if someone knew what she was trying to symbolize in her action. Plus, it could also been seen as distasteful and had the wrong timing.


It also had a tinge of personal symbolism for her, as it was her abusive mother's photo. She was essentially rejecting her mother at the same time for being complicit in the abuse she received.
 
2012-10-04 12:39:11 PM
BTW the album she had out last year was very good
 
2012-10-04 12:46:27 PM

Bhruic: DjangoStonereaver: It sickens me that the Church has waived their rules to fast-track JPII into sainthood because they are
pretty obviously trying to keep the faithful distracted from the real problems in the church (though,
really, the faithful don't care, which only compounds the tragedy of it all).

I don't think it's so much not caring, as that the religion has a built-in "get out of jail free" card. When you've got a system that forgives people for committing sins, then there's no accountability for those sins. After all, it's hard to condemn someone for their actions when Jesus has forgiven them.


Well there's past sin & unrepentance for ongoing sin. The Catholics have (but don't seem to use much anymore) Excommunication. The evangelicals have 'Dis-Fellowship' at the local church level. Basically, if a guy keeps sinning & doesn't repent, you counsel him 3 times and kick him out. The plan is that the shock of getting kicked out and the miserable of his continuing sin will hopefully bring about repentance. I know a few guys who have been Dis-Fellow-shipped. They burn their lives & their families lives down around them and don't seem to care. That was for non-crime stuff though.

The Catholics actually have a sex issues rehab for priests. I knew a guy who was sent there. They weren't sure what to do with him after an accusation, so after completing rehab, they warehoused him for a few years in my town. He lived with a few other priests & wasn't allowed to do anything as far as I know.
 
2012-10-04 12:49:51 PM

puckrock2000: On October 16, at a tribute concert to Bob Dylan, O'Connor faced a hostile crowd. Defiantly, she asked her band for silence and briefly attempted to reprise her a capella performance of "War." She broke off and fled the stage in a hail of catcalls and boos. Dylan made no statement in her defense.

But Kris Kristofferson did - "Don't let the bastards get you down."


Holy crap! That's pretty interesting.
 
2012-10-04 12:57:09 PM
If she had any real balls she'd tear up a Koran.
 
2012-10-04 01:01:24 PM

ekdikeo4: It reminds me that there was a time when the Catholics were far far more influential in this country than they are now. A time that I'm glad is gone.


I'm torn between "i saw what you did there" or "not sure if serious."
 
2012-10-04 01:06:09 PM

Onkel Buck: If she had any real balls she'd tear up a Koran.


Why? Was she abused by Muslims as a child??
 
2012-10-04 01:07:31 PM

Confabulat: Shostie: Nadie_AZ: It was sad to see her star obliterated after her SNL showing. I liked her music.

I remember seeing it live and thinking, "what the f*ck...?"

Followed shortly by, "holy sh*t she just did that on live TV."

I remember watching it live too. I was on my way outside with some friends and then I did a double-take and was like dudes, Sinead just ripped up the Pope on TV. That's weird.


You know what I remember about that? She was having problems with her in-ear monitor and was really biatchy about it with the sound guy. I think that's what scorned her Pope tear up thing. John Paul used to do the engineering for the Pogues, you know. I think that set her off.
 
2012-10-04 01:07:49 PM

Bhruic: DjangoStonereaver: It sickens me that the Church has waived their rules to fast-track JPII into sainthood because they are
pretty obviously trying to keep the faithful distracted from the real problems in the church (though,
really, the faithful don't care, which only compounds the tragedy of it all).

I don't think it's so much not caring, as that the religion has a built-in "get out of jail free" card. When you've got a system that forgives people for committing sins, then there's no accountability for those sins. After all, it's hard to condemn someone for their actions when Jesus has forgiven them.


I didn't clearly state my intent with this: the faithful don't for a moment believe that the church HAS a
problem. The hardcore ones who are active in the Church (at least the ones at the church I used to
attend, and which my wife is still very active in) all seem to have the opinion that ALL of the allegations
are the result of a conspiracy to slander the Church.

It pains me to see truly good people give such unquestioning and whole-hearted support to such a
corrupt organization, and whenever I am hanging out with them I am very careful about voicing my
opinions because even if Jesus himself came back and had a press conference to say "Listen, the
Catholic Church has gone completely off the rails and you should really stop supporting them" they
probably wouldn't be convinced, let alone any arguments that I could make. I mean: one of our
friends at the Church tried to tell my wife that she shouldn't watch the Ellen Show (of which my wife
is a huge fan) because Ellen is advancing the 'Gay Agenda'. This is how committed they are to their
faith, and in his case he's not a stupid guy. He's educated and a truly nice person, not at all the
stereotype of a drooling fundie, but that's not something one can reason with.

That's what I meant by "the faithful don't care".
 
2012-10-04 01:19:35 PM
When I heard about the backlash against her, I never understood it because the Catholics I know are 'lapsed' and they only go to church when some older relative makes them - So why hate Sinead for ripping up a picture of a guy you're personally ignoring anyway?

/priest in my area lives a big Victorian house, while the nuns used to live in a super ugly dorm.
//And... some years ago the last nuns quit. Shocking. Who could've seen that coming?
 
2012-10-04 01:40:05 PM

Crewmannumber6: BTW the album she had out last year was very good


She's done a number of tunes with other folks - like Conjure One - that are routinely excellent. Like a lot of artists, great talent but probably nucking futz in person.
 
2012-10-04 01:41:21 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Bhruic: DjangoStonereaver: It sickens me that the Church has waived their rules to fast-track JPII into sainthood because they are
pretty obviously trying to keep the faithful distracted from the real problems in the church (though,
really, the faithful don't care, which only compounds the tragedy of it all).

I don't think it's so much not caring, as that the religion has a built-in "get out of jail free" card. When you've got a system that forgives people for committing sins, then there's no accountability for those sins. After all, it's hard to condemn someone for their actions when Jesus has forgiven them.

I didn't clearly state my intent with this: the faithful don't for a moment believe that the church HAS a
problem. The hardcore ones who are active in the Church (at least the ones at the church I used to
attend, and which my wife is still very active in) all seem to have the opinion that ALL of the allegations
are the result of a conspiracy to slander the Church.

It pains me to see truly good people give such unquestioning and whole-hearted support to such a
corrupt organization, and whenever I am hanging out with them I am very careful about voicing my
opinions because even if Jesus himself came back and had a press conference to say "Listen, the
Catholic Church has gone completely off the rails and you should really stop supporting them" they
probably wouldn't be convinced, let alone any arguments that I could make. I mean: one of our
friends at the Church tried to tell my wife that she shouldn't watch the Ellen Show (of which my wife
is a huge fan) because Ellen is advancing the 'Gay Agenda'. This is how committed they are to their
faith, and in his case he's not a stupid guy. He's educated and a truly nice person, not at all the
stereotype of a drooling fundie, but that's not something one can reason with.

That's what I meant by "the faithful don't care".


I shall call him 'Squishy,' and he shall be mine, and he shall be my Squishy.
 
2012-10-04 02:07:49 PM

OldManDownDRoad: Crewmannumber6: BTW the album she had out last year was very good

She's done a number of tunes with other folks - like Conjure One - that are routinely excellent. Like a lot of artists, great talent but probably nucking futz in person.


Van Morrison is a genius, but apparently 5 time winner of The World's Biggest Prick award
 
2012-10-04 03:32:09 PM
FTFA: "Enter: Stratovarian. The, Red, Shoe. We, see, Dana, introduce, herself. She, begins, dancing, with, her, assigned, partner. She, is, absolutely, beautiful."

I dunno. If Shatner read the audiobook this could be good.
 
2012-10-04 03:52:10 PM

Tat'dGreaser:
That's why I added that it was partly her fault as well. Although the article says she was just diagnosed as bipolar so that would explain a lot.


Just diagnosed? She's known that she was crazy for a long time, and has talked about it some. And since she knows what contributed to it, no wonder she's angry. First the abuse, then her own organic craziness. Maybe she can gain some equilibrium in her old age, but an entire childhood of abuse is a hard thing to get over.
 
2012-10-04 06:27:31 PM
I thought Christians were good people that always follow the words and actions of Christ? You mean they can LIE about that?!

This means Obama could be a Christian and Romney is probably a Muslim!
 
2012-10-04 09:01:19 PM
I hear you, baby. Forget the head. Put a bag over it and do your business!
 
2012-10-04 11:31:22 PM

puckrock2000: On October 16, at a tribute concert to Bob Dylan, O'Connor faced a hostile crowd. Defiantly, she asked her band for silence and briefly attempted to reprise her a capella performance of "War." She broke off and fled the stage in a hail of catcalls and boos. Dylan made no statement in her defense.

But Kris Kristofferson did - "Don't let the bastards get you down."


That was both sweet and awesome, thanks for posting it.

/Kris is a badass
//Sinead was beautiful
///Fark the church (the 'Sisters of Mercy' caned the shiat out of me in school)
 
2012-10-05 03:39:37 PM
The only reason this one hit wonder is being thought about is because of her stupid and asinine actions. Can we just let her go back to her job at dairy Queen and live out her pathetic little"life".
 
2012-10-05 03:51:18 PM

jwilson07: The only reason this one hit wonder is being thought about is because of her stupid and asinine actions. Can we just let her go back to her job at dairy Queen and live out her pathetic little"life".


You're not very bright, are you?
 
2012-10-05 04:57:19 PM

jwilson07: The only reason this one hit wonder is being thought about is because of her stupid and asinine actions. Can we just let her go back to her job at dairy Queen and live out her pathetic little"life".


She has had four certified gold albums, three of which went platinum.

That's quite a hit.
 
2012-10-06 12:00:23 AM

Rent Party: jwilson07: The only reason this one hit wonder is being thought about is because of her stupid and asinine actions. Can we just let her go back to her job at dairy Queen and live out her pathetic little"life".

She has had four certified gold albums, three of which went platinum.

That's quite a hit.


No way.
 
2012-10-06 10:54:02 PM
Never listened to her music, but her SNL appearance was awesome.
 
Displayed 44 of 94 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report