Great Porn Dragon: Doctors are REALLY loathe to prescribe ANY narcotics now because it's a very good way to get flagged as a "pill mill" and get the office shut down by the state.
werekoala: I've been feeling for years that it would be goddamn nice to have meds that actually block pain, instead of just overwhelming it with good feelings instead. Because while opiates make you not care about the pain, they can also make you not care about your family, job, house, etc.And patients get accommodated so damn fast... All in all, opiates are a farking barbaric and frustrating stone age tool for us to be stuck with in the 21st century.This stuff vs opiates sounds like the difference between dry cleaning your suit and trying to mask your funk with Axe.
JustinCase: Great Porn Dragon: JustinCase: morg: It would be nice if they found a good pain killer that didn't get you high as well so they could sell it over the counter.Suboxone and methadone don't?No snark here. That's my impression and I'm not sure.Actually, methadone could actually kill in a sufficiently high dose (basically enough to cause respiratory depression)--Suboxone would have less of a risk, due to the naloxone content.Pretty much the reason for research into mambaglins is that there are certain categories of patients that--for various reasons--are "hitting the top" of what they can be safely dosed on opoids and are still in pain--usually spinal injury patients and cancer patients who are on their max doses of opiates and higher doses merely risk respiratory depression. We don't have a lot of good options for those populations, sadly, and even the opoid options we DO have are becoming less of an option in certain parts of the country due to problems with diversion.(Here in KY, for instance, it's pretty much a major PITA getting anything scheduled for pain for more than a short period--thanks to a lot of folks dry counties out east realising they could crush up oxycodone tablets and sell them as "hillbilly heroin" as a cheaper high than even weed or beer. Suffice it to say that people who actually NEED pain relief have a hard time getting it, and even something injectable (a la insulin/Byetta pen) that couldn't be used to get you stoned would be an incredible boon here.)Thank you for the detailed and insightful reply.Does methadone provide a high of sorts?Suboxone does not at all, ever. Correct?
Deman: AverageAmericanGuy: Great Porn Dragon: Chinese traditional medicine HAS used cobra venom (in non-lethal doses, of course) for pain reliefHomeopathy doesn't work for shiateOne of these statements is incorrect. Since the first seems to be a statement of fact and the latter a statement of opinion, let's just say that your opinion doesn't match the facts.Homeopathy is one of those things that only .0001% of treatments work that can't be considered placebo. Ginger for an upset stomach(dilute it first, make a light tea with it or something) or a shot of osha/everclear tincture for congested lungs.Research into venoms is pretty interesting. Due to the nature of how many of them work, there could be all sorts of positive effects we might find in them. The snakes just like to make you OD.
I May Be Crazy But...: Gawdzila: I May Be Crazy But...: You know what he described isn't even homeopathy, right?It certainly seems to resemble it. Homeopathic "medicine" is made of solutions that have been diluted to an absurd degree, sometimes things that can cause symptoms themselves.But if you ignore the batshiat crazy parts, there is a certain internal logic to it.
Great Porn Dragon: WTFDYW: Great Porn DragonThanks for the info on the gila monster venom. I have never heard of that. I must tell my in-laws to ask their doctor about this.BTW: What do you do for a living that you know so much about this stuff?The sad thing is that right now I'm actually technically unemployed (unofficially I do research but don't get paid for it)...job market has been shiat till recently and as I'll be having some outpatient surgery late this month it's hard to find an employer who will let you off for a few days afterward in your probationary period. Hopefully I'll be able to find something after the surgery, but the fact I've been in Consultancy Hell for the past ten years doesn't give me a whole lot of hope...but I would like to get something to put a bit more money in the bank for Deductible Hole Time, at least.Most of what I've learned is basically from personal research, reading medical journals (and paleontological journals, and other scientific journal crap) for fun since I was a friggin' kid, and (in the very specific case of the Lizard Spit) having goddamn near my entire maternal half of the family going diabetic by the age of 45--the only relative I've had so far that's escaped was an uncle who died of a rare cancer before he got Teh Beetus. (It's a genetic thing, to the point the family been asked to be in studies; some of it may also have autoimmune aspects because that same familial side has a few type I's AND one or two other relatives who've had autoimmune issues (Guillain-Barre and an unspecified autoimmune neurological condition that was treated with a course of an early immunosuppressant called Imuran--and they've never had issues since other than type I diabetes and are Williard Scott Shout-Out levels of Well Matured :D). My dad's side at least doesn't have Teh Beetus but DOES have probable Lynch Syndrome, which means I get colonoscopies on top of all this--I should have a shiatload of genetic testing done but I'd rather put this off un ...
Gawdzila: AverageAmericanGuy: It follows from homeopathic principles that something that would cause pain and death in sufficient quantities can be diluted and used as a pain reliever.*facepalm*Homeopathy is full of crap. They don't just dilute the venom, the isolate a particular peptide or peptides in it and use those at full strength.
AverageAmericanGuy: Great Porn Dragon: Chinese traditional medicine HAS used cobra venom (in non-lethal doses, of course) for pain reliefHomeopathy doesn't work for shiateOne of these statements is incorrect. Since the first seems to be a statement of fact and the latter a statement of opinion, let's just say that your opinion doesn't match the facts.
AverageAmericanGuy: It follows from homeopathic principles that something that would cause pain and death in sufficient quantities can be diluted and used as a pain reliever.
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